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doctormopalhmbs: xorg.conf isn't needed any more01:35
doctormoYou should use xsetwacom01:36
palhmbsI tried xsetwacom01:36
palhmbsit doesn't detect it :(01:36
palhmbsit's a serial port A3 wacom intous301:36
palhmbsworks on a Win XP machine fine01:36
palhmbsI'd really appreciate some tips on how to troubleshoot01:37
palhmbsbut I'm using debian 6 at the moment01:37
palhmbsand trying to get a website design finished01:37
palhmbsI found a ubuntu forum thread that I thought would help01:39
palhmbsbut it was giving directions to change xorg.conf01:39
palhmbshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29870501:40
doctormopalhmbs: Hmm, I have some bad news for you, the serial wacom tablets are no longer supported.03:57
doctormoYou have to use a previous version of the driver, which means a previous version of xorg, which means a previous version of Ubuntu.03:58
doctormoI think Jaunty or Karmic might support them.03:58
palhmbsWhat the!!03:58
palhmbsthat stupid03:59
palhmbss/that/that's/03:59
palhmbswhy, oh why did they drop them?03:59
palhmbscan't I compile the old driver on my newer debian based distro?03:59
palhmbsdoctormo, can you give me a reference for this bad news?04:00
palhmbscause this is very upsetting04:00
palhmbsI had the chance of buying a USB adaptor for it too...04:00
palhmbsand thought I didn't need it.04:00
palhmbswhere's the wacom #channel - I want to moan :P04:01
doctormopalhmbs: Give me a second to confirm it04:03
palhmbsdoctormo, thanks for your help btw04:04
doctormoWhen I was talking to ping (who works for Wacom on the linux driver) she said the serial port devices, except for the PnP ones, are dropped.04:04
palhmbsexcept for the PnP ones, maybe that's hope?04:05
palhmbsoh well, I guess I'll have to reboot into WinXP and use it there.04:05
palhmbspity, but that's the same issue with my non-sane compliant scanner.04:05
palhmbsbbl04:05
doctormopalhmbs: Hang on04:08
doctormoAdd http://paste.ubuntu.com/625598/ to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/51-wacom-serial.conf and update the ttyS number for your device. Restart computer and tell me if it works.04:14
doctormoIt's important that you tell me so I can update various people on it's workingness.04:15
doctormo(also what you're using, Debian etc)04:15
palhmbsthanks doctormo !!04:28
palhmbstrying now...04:28
palhmbsdoctormo, how can I tell which port I'm supposed to use?04:54
palhmbsor should it be trial and error?04:54
palhmbsI've tried ttySO04:54
palhmbswhich doesn't work :(04:54
palhmbsi did notice a 20-wacom.conf file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/04:56
palhmbs# WALTOP needs a patched kernel driver, that isn't in mainline lk yet04:57
palhmbsinteresting04:57
palhmbsthis is in debian 605:00
palhmbsI'll boot into lubuntu 11.04 and try those instructions out there05:00
palhmbsbbs05:00
palhmbsdoctormo, no fun :(05:09
palhmbsfyi - the package i have installed is: xserver-xorg-input-wacom 1:0.10.11-0ubuntu405:14
palhmbstrying ttyS1 now....05:16
palhmbslooks like I'll have to down-grade to get wacom linux support.05:19
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doctormopalhmbs: OK, so that didn't work?05:53
palhmbsno05:54
palhmbsI tried both com ports05:54
doctormoWhat serial port is your device plugged into?05:54
palhmbshow do I find that out05:54
palhmbs?05:54
palhmbsI think my mb only supports 105:54
doctormoOK so you have a /dev/ttyS0 Make sure that's a zero and not an Oh05:55
doctormoCan you also report your xorg log back to me?05:55
palhmbsttyS0 - check complete - valid05:57
doctormoNOTE: Only ISDV4 serial devices (TabletPC's) are currently supported by xf86-input-wacom (Xserver 1.7 or later). A patch set by John Tsiombikas & Sebastian Berthold for the serial tablets needs further development before inclusion into xf86-input-wacom.05:57
doctormohttp://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=FAQ#Which_devices_are_supported.3F05:57
doctormoOK that confirms what I know about it, maybe I can patch you up a ppa deb though...05:57
palhmbsdoctormo, -- xorg paste -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/625642/05:59
palhmbswould you? - I was just seriously considering installing Ubuntu 9.10....05:59
palhmbsI'd be eternally grateful to the you and the ubuntu team!!06:00
doctormoHeh, don't go heaping praise on the Ubuntu team ;-) I'm just a random programmer and artist.06:01
doctormohttp://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=isoeic%24cum%241%40dough.gmane.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss06:09
doctormoSo. from what I can tell.06:09
doctormoThere are a bunch of non developers who have serial wacoms06:09
doctormoVery few programmers do06:09
doctormoSo there are multiple patches all over the place to get it working with specific versions of the xinput wacom driver.06:10
doctormoYou might have to go on an adventure.06:10
palhmbso.O06:11
palhmbssounds fun06:11
palhmbsunfortunately, I've got even less time now for such a frolic06:11
doctormoYeah, it's a hard one. The wacom project is starving, much like most foss projects.06:12
palhmbs$$06:13
palhmbsbut everybody loves free06:13
palhmbsjust not enought to monetarily support it enough06:13
palhmbss/enought/enough/06:13
palhmbsif only this would work in lubuntu 11.04 -- http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=10430906:15
doctormoIt doesn't work on ubuntu 11.04 either06:19
doctormoNot that it would help you anyway06:19
palhmbsdammit, I wish I could code python better than I do06:20
palhmbsI would consider hacking up some support in these myself!!06:21
doctormoIt's all C code anyway, what would a python script be able to do?06:21
palhmbs:-o06:21
palhmbser yeah - /facepalm06:21
doctormo(the wacom driver, not the utill)06:21
doctormoAlthough the C code doesn't look hard, it's just missing a developer who actually had one of the devices.06:22
doctormoI find it funny that I manage the wizardpen driver ppa and yet I don't own one. Dumb luck that a roving developer pops by each release to fix it for me. random!06:23
palhmbsdoctormo, I think the best and easiest option for me & you and everybody else is to buy a USB adaptor.06:25
palhmbs:P06:26
palhmbswhich I will go ahead and do shortly06:26
doctormoYes, if that works, let me know and I will change my default recommendation to that.06:26
palhmbsI can wait, at least we know that it'll work on USB.06:26
palhmbsafaict06:26
Islingtonmy wrist is starting to hurt06:58
Islington:(06:58
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coz_hey guys13:40
hbonswhere can i find guidelines on making monochrome icons for the unity panel?13:55
coz_hbons,   good question,,, not sure but they do appear to be similar to  faenza icons14:25
hbonscoz_: that's good, but they don't really have a style description either :)14:28
Islingtonwhat was the question?14:29
coz_hbons,  yeah ,, not sure ,, exactly,, however you could try asking in  #ayatana  channel,,, that is the development channel for Unity14:29
hbonsyea, i did yesterday, but got no reply14:29
Islingtonhbons: what was the question?14:29
coz_hbons,  ")  not completely surprised14:30
hbonsIslington: i'm trying to find guidelines for the mono style icons14:30
Islingtonooh hold on they are in the wiki somewhere iirc14:30
hbonsoh14:30
Islingtonping vish dashua Icon question yo14:32
vishhbons: nah, there is no wiki guidelines, basically you can loook at the svg and figure out the colors14:33
vishrather guidelines on wki14:33
hbonsthat's a bit lame...14:33
vishbah! wiki*14:33
hbonsand sizes?14:33
hbonswhere do i install them?14:34
vishhbons: 22px are used in the panel14:34
coz_hbons,  well inkscape will automatically open the icon in the size  they were created in14:34
hbonsvish: ok, you know gnome is deprecating that size?14:34
vishhbons: yea :)14:34
hbonsgood :)14:34
vishhbons: anyway you guys dont consider anything Ayatana Gnome.. ;)14:35
hbonsok, thanks people :)14:35
Islingtonvish hbons https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons/Guidelines#Panel%20Icons14:35
vishIslington: thats what *i* did for Humanity , hbons is asking about ubuntu-mono14:36
hbonsvish: well, it would be easier for everyone to just have to maintain one icon size for it14:36
hbonsand it's a bit silly that two kinds of status icons have to be maintained at the moment...14:36
vish:)14:37
Islingtonif its at 22px technically you could force kde to use them as well14:37
hbonsbut i don't make the decision on that, but i would like to make theming issues better. i just installed ubuntu and was kind of shocked how that stuff is done :)14:37
coz_hbons,  my guess is that will be worked out by 12.04  hopefully sooner14:38
vishhbons: symbolic icon support just landed with GNOME3 so stuff might change, but since we cant do that in GNOME2 we did it as 2 themes14:38
hbonsIslington: yea, but 22x22 doesn't make sense as a size anyway14:38
hbons(sticking to multiples of 8)14:38
hbonsvish: yea, that would be good, it's a huge hack right now14:39
coz_hbons,  multiples of 8 ?14:39
vish16, 24, 32, 4814:39
coz_hbons,  24..32..40?14:39
Islingtonhbons: wasnt there a big thingie with 24 vs 22 a while back?14:40
hbonsIslington: not sure14:40
coz_multiples of 8 would lead to an icons size of 32 .. 40  ...yes?14:40
hbonsbut the end result is the same artwork wise anyway, just with different padding14:40
hbonscoz_: we don't have 4014:40
coz_hbons,  I realize that  but multiples of 8 would asume  32 ..4014:41
hbonsno, it doesn't have to follow each ste14:41
hbonsstep14:41
hbonsbut 32 is 2x16, 48 2x16 etc14:43
hbonseh 2x2414:43
coz_:)14:43
hbonsthere's also 64 and 128, 256 for hires14:44
vishhbons: what did you mean by » http://twitter.com/#!/hbons/status/80006110882435072 ?14:44
coz_I prefer working in 256  in inkscape and reducing it when finished14:44
hbonsvish: refering to the mono icon theme on top of a 'normal' theme to make things work14:45
vishhbons: the two themes or anything else?  most of the hacks there are mine more due to not having symbolic icon support :D14:45
hbonsand the tarball basically extrated in the icons direcotory, which is messy14:45
hbonsvish: i know :)14:45
coz_my only question is why unity's  ccsm is still using that damn purple icon instead of the one originally designed for it,, the only answer I got was " Unity is a project"14:47
hbonshehe14:47
vishcoz_: i think it was a MarkDecision™  ;)14:47
hbonsvish: hacks are attractive in the short term, but cause a lot if pain longterm :)14:47
coz_vish,  oh?  another  bad one14:47
vishhbons: agreed, but folks wanted them right now 3-4 cycles back, and who would have hacked the symbolic support, I'm not a hacker ;)14:48
hbonscanonical should have dedicated someone to it14:49
hbonscause now everyone will have to port their icons icon when gnome 3 symbolc lands14:49
hbonss/icon/again14:49
Islingtonhbons: they could go deeper into the rabbit hell and symlink14:50
hbonsIslington: are you islingt0ner on twitter?14:51
coz_hbons,  you didnt know  that "grapics" of any kind are considered the "fun" part of a project ? :)14:51
Islingtonyes14:51
vishhbons: i mentioned this a while back itself when having the panel icons named -panel and to instead use -symbolic names; but they just told we can change names later14:51
hbonsIslington: ah cool :)14:51
vishhbons: back when humanity introduced the monochrome itself..14:52
coz_graphics14:52
hbonsvish: ah, and the official suffix is -symbolic now? to be installed in hicolor?14:53
vishhbons: afaik, the indicator hasnt yet been changed to use -symbolic names and not sure it supports it yet14:53
vishhbons: GNOME3/GTK3 has only started landing.. i need to upgrade and do it later in the cycle when stuff is stable14:54
hbonsok, so i'll just add whatever suffix and refer to that?14:54
vishhbons: yea14:54
hbonsvish: ok cool, sorry to be a bit too harsh, i see that they're not telling you a lot :)14:55
vish:)14:55
Islingtonwelcome to our world14:56
hbonsthere's always a place for you in #gnome-design ey ;)14:56
vishhbons: its a bit of a communications hell at times; cause stuff might change any moment and nothing is official until it is really official ;)14:56
hbonsvish: yea, are there any other canonical design team members that work in the open except mpt and ivanka (who's now left)?14:58
vishhbons: i thing you reached the end of the list there.. ;)14:59
vishthink*14:59
thorwil*sneef*15:00
hbons:(15:00
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