| doctormo | palhmbs: xorg.conf isn't needed any more | 01:35 |
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| doctormo | You should use xsetwacom | 01:36 |
| palhmbs | I tried xsetwacom | 01:36 |
| palhmbs | it doesn't detect it :( | 01:36 |
| palhmbs | it's a serial port A3 wacom intous3 | 01:36 |
| palhmbs | works on a Win XP machine fine | 01:36 |
| palhmbs | I'd really appreciate some tips on how to troubleshoot | 01:37 |
| palhmbs | but I'm using debian 6 at the moment | 01:37 |
| palhmbs | and trying to get a website design finished | 01:37 |
| palhmbs | I found a ubuntu forum thread that I thought would help | 01:39 |
| palhmbs | but it was giving directions to change xorg.conf | 01:39 |
| palhmbs | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298705 | 01:40 |
| doctormo | palhmbs: Hmm, I have some bad news for you, the serial wacom tablets are no longer supported. | 03:57 |
| doctormo | You have to use a previous version of the driver, which means a previous version of xorg, which means a previous version of Ubuntu. | 03:58 |
| doctormo | I think Jaunty or Karmic might support them. | 03:58 |
| palhmbs | What the!! | 03:58 |
| palhmbs | that stupid | 03:59 |
| palhmbs | s/that/that's/ | 03:59 |
| palhmbs | why, oh why did they drop them? | 03:59 |
| palhmbs | can't I compile the old driver on my newer debian based distro? | 03:59 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, can you give me a reference for this bad news? | 04:00 |
| palhmbs | cause this is very upsetting | 04:00 |
| palhmbs | I had the chance of buying a USB adaptor for it too... | 04:00 |
| palhmbs | and thought I didn't need it. | 04:00 |
| palhmbs | where's the wacom #channel - I want to moan :P | 04:01 |
| doctormo | palhmbs: Give me a second to confirm it | 04:03 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, thanks for your help btw | 04:04 |
| doctormo | When I was talking to ping (who works for Wacom on the linux driver) she said the serial port devices, except for the PnP ones, are dropped. | 04:04 |
| palhmbs | except for the PnP ones, maybe that's hope? | 04:05 |
| palhmbs | oh well, I guess I'll have to reboot into WinXP and use it there. | 04:05 |
| palhmbs | pity, but that's the same issue with my non-sane compliant scanner. | 04:05 |
| palhmbs | bbl | 04:05 |
| doctormo | palhmbs: Hang on | 04:08 |
| doctormo | Add http://paste.ubuntu.com/625598/ to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/51-wacom-serial.conf and update the ttyS number for your device. Restart computer and tell me if it works. | 04:14 |
| doctormo | It's important that you tell me so I can update various people on it's workingness. | 04:15 |
| doctormo | (also what you're using, Debian etc) | 04:15 |
| palhmbs | thanks doctormo !! | 04:28 |
| palhmbs | trying now... | 04:28 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, how can I tell which port I'm supposed to use? | 04:54 |
| palhmbs | or should it be trial and error? | 04:54 |
| palhmbs | I've tried ttySO | 04:54 |
| palhmbs | which doesn't work :( | 04:54 |
| palhmbs | i did notice a 20-wacom.conf file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ | 04:56 |
| palhmbs | # WALTOP needs a patched kernel driver, that isn't in mainline lk yet | 04:57 |
| palhmbs | interesting | 04:57 |
| palhmbs | this is in debian 6 | 05:00 |
| palhmbs | I'll boot into lubuntu 11.04 and try those instructions out there | 05:00 |
| palhmbs | bbs | 05:00 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, no fun :( | 05:09 |
| palhmbs | fyi - the package i have installed is: xserver-xorg-input-wacom 1:0.10.11-0ubuntu4 | 05:14 |
| palhmbs | trying ttyS1 now.... | 05:16 |
| palhmbs | looks like I'll have to down-grade to get wacom linux support. | 05:19 |
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| doctormo | palhmbs: OK, so that didn't work? | 05:53 |
| palhmbs | no | 05:54 |
| palhmbs | I tried both com ports | 05:54 |
| doctormo | What serial port is your device plugged into? | 05:54 |
| palhmbs | how do I find that out | 05:54 |
| palhmbs | ? | 05:54 |
| palhmbs | I think my mb only supports 1 | 05:54 |
| doctormo | OK so you have a /dev/ttyS0 Make sure that's a zero and not an Oh | 05:55 |
| doctormo | Can you also report your xorg log back to me? | 05:55 |
| palhmbs | ttyS0 - check complete - valid | 05:57 |
| doctormo | NOTE: Only ISDV4 serial devices (TabletPC's) are currently supported by xf86-input-wacom (Xserver 1.7 or later). A patch set by John Tsiombikas & Sebastian Berthold for the serial tablets needs further development before inclusion into xf86-input-wacom. | 05:57 |
| doctormo | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=FAQ#Which_devices_are_supported.3F | 05:57 |
| doctormo | OK that confirms what I know about it, maybe I can patch you up a ppa deb though... | 05:57 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, -- xorg paste -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/625642/ | 05:59 |
| palhmbs | would you? - I was just seriously considering installing Ubuntu 9.10.... | 05:59 |
| palhmbs | I'd be eternally grateful to the you and the ubuntu team!! | 06:00 |
| doctormo | Heh, don't go heaping praise on the Ubuntu team ;-) I'm just a random programmer and artist. | 06:01 |
| doctormo | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=isoeic%24cum%241%40dough.gmane.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss | 06:09 |
| doctormo | So. from what I can tell. | 06:09 |
| doctormo | There are a bunch of non developers who have serial wacoms | 06:09 |
| doctormo | Very few programmers do | 06:09 |
| doctormo | So there are multiple patches all over the place to get it working with specific versions of the xinput wacom driver. | 06:10 |
| doctormo | You might have to go on an adventure. | 06:10 |
| palhmbs | o.O | 06:11 |
| palhmbs | sounds fun | 06:11 |
| palhmbs | unfortunately, I've got even less time now for such a frolic | 06:11 |
| doctormo | Yeah, it's a hard one. The wacom project is starving, much like most foss projects. | 06:12 |
| palhmbs | $$ | 06:13 |
| palhmbs | but everybody loves free | 06:13 |
| palhmbs | just not enought to monetarily support it enough | 06:13 |
| palhmbs | s/enought/enough/ | 06:13 |
| palhmbs | if only this would work in lubuntu 11.04 -- http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309 | 06:15 |
| doctormo | It doesn't work on ubuntu 11.04 either | 06:19 |
| doctormo | Not that it would help you anyway | 06:19 |
| palhmbs | dammit, I wish I could code python better than I do | 06:20 |
| palhmbs | I would consider hacking up some support in these myself!! | 06:21 |
| doctormo | It's all C code anyway, what would a python script be able to do? | 06:21 |
| palhmbs | :-o | 06:21 |
| palhmbs | er yeah - /facepalm | 06:21 |
| doctormo | (the wacom driver, not the utill) | 06:21 |
| doctormo | Although the C code doesn't look hard, it's just missing a developer who actually had one of the devices. | 06:22 |
| doctormo | I find it funny that I manage the wizardpen driver ppa and yet I don't own one. Dumb luck that a roving developer pops by each release to fix it for me. random! | 06:23 |
| palhmbs | doctormo, I think the best and easiest option for me & you and everybody else is to buy a USB adaptor. | 06:25 |
| palhmbs | :P | 06:26 |
| palhmbs | which I will go ahead and do shortly | 06:26 |
| doctormo | Yes, if that works, let me know and I will change my default recommendation to that. | 06:26 |
| palhmbs | I can wait, at least we know that it'll work on USB. | 06:26 |
| palhmbs | afaict | 06:26 |
| Islington | my wrist is starting to hurt | 06:58 |
| Islington | :( | 06:58 |
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| coz_ | hey guys | 13:40 |
| hbons | where can i find guidelines on making monochrome icons for the unity panel? | 13:55 |
| coz_ | hbons, good question,,, not sure but they do appear to be similar to faenza icons | 14:25 |
| hbons | coz_: that's good, but they don't really have a style description either :) | 14:28 |
| Islington | what was the question? | 14:29 |
| coz_ | hbons, yeah ,, not sure ,, exactly,, however you could try asking in #ayatana channel,,, that is the development channel for Unity | 14:29 |
| hbons | yea, i did yesterday, but got no reply | 14:29 |
| Islington | hbons: what was the question? | 14:29 |
| coz_ | hbons, ") not completely surprised | 14:30 |
| hbons | Islington: i'm trying to find guidelines for the mono style icons | 14:30 |
| Islington | ooh hold on they are in the wiki somewhere iirc | 14:30 |
| hbons | oh | 14:30 |
| Islington | ping vish dashua Icon question yo | 14:32 |
| vish | hbons: nah, there is no wiki guidelines, basically you can loook at the svg and figure out the colors | 14:33 |
| vish | rather guidelines on wki | 14:33 |
| hbons | that's a bit lame... | 14:33 |
| vish | bah! wiki* | 14:33 |
| hbons | and sizes? | 14:33 |
| hbons | where do i install them? | 14:34 |
| vish | hbons: 22px are used in the panel | 14:34 |
| coz_ | hbons, well inkscape will automatically open the icon in the size they were created in | 14:34 |
| hbons | vish: ok, you know gnome is deprecating that size? | 14:34 |
| vish | hbons: yea :) | 14:34 |
| hbons | good :) | 14:34 |
| vish | hbons: anyway you guys dont consider anything Ayatana Gnome.. ;) | 14:35 |
| hbons | ok, thanks people :) | 14:35 |
| Islington | vish hbons https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons/Guidelines#Panel%20Icons | 14:35 |
| vish | Islington: thats what *i* did for Humanity , hbons is asking about ubuntu-mono | 14:36 |
| hbons | vish: well, it would be easier for everyone to just have to maintain one icon size for it | 14:36 |
| hbons | and it's a bit silly that two kinds of status icons have to be maintained at the moment... | 14:36 |
| vish | :) | 14:37 |
| Islington | if its at 22px technically you could force kde to use them as well | 14:37 |
| hbons | but i don't make the decision on that, but i would like to make theming issues better. i just installed ubuntu and was kind of shocked how that stuff is done :) | 14:37 |
| coz_ | hbons, my guess is that will be worked out by 12.04 hopefully sooner | 14:38 |
| vish | hbons: symbolic icon support just landed with GNOME3 so stuff might change, but since we cant do that in GNOME2 we did it as 2 themes | 14:38 |
| hbons | Islington: yea, but 22x22 doesn't make sense as a size anyway | 14:38 |
| hbons | (sticking to multiples of 8) | 14:38 |
| hbons | vish: yea, that would be good, it's a huge hack right now | 14:39 |
| coz_ | hbons, multiples of 8 ? | 14:39 |
| vish | 16, 24, 32, 48 | 14:39 |
| coz_ | hbons, 24..32..40? | 14:39 |
| Islington | hbons: wasnt there a big thingie with 24 vs 22 a while back? | 14:40 |
| hbons | Islington: not sure | 14:40 |
| coz_ | multiples of 8 would lead to an icons size of 32 .. 40 ...yes? | 14:40 |
| hbons | but the end result is the same artwork wise anyway, just with different padding | 14:40 |
| hbons | coz_: we don't have 40 | 14:40 |
| coz_ | hbons, I realize that but multiples of 8 would asume 32 ..40 | 14:41 |
| hbons | no, it doesn't have to follow each ste | 14:41 |
| hbons | step | 14:41 |
| hbons | but 32 is 2x16, 48 2x16 etc | 14:43 |
| hbons | eh 2x24 | 14:43 |
| coz_ | :) | 14:43 |
| hbons | there's also 64 and 128, 256 for hires | 14:44 |
| vish | hbons: what did you mean by » http://twitter.com/#!/hbons/status/80006110882435072 ? | 14:44 |
| coz_ | I prefer working in 256 in inkscape and reducing it when finished | 14:44 |
| hbons | vish: refering to the mono icon theme on top of a 'normal' theme to make things work | 14:45 |
| vish | hbons: the two themes or anything else? most of the hacks there are mine more due to not having symbolic icon support :D | 14:45 |
| hbons | and the tarball basically extrated in the icons direcotory, which is messy | 14:45 |
| hbons | vish: i know :) | 14:45 |
| coz_ | my only question is why unity's ccsm is still using that damn purple icon instead of the one originally designed for it,, the only answer I got was " Unity is a project" | 14:47 |
| hbons | hehe | 14:47 |
| vish | coz_: i think it was a MarkDecision™ ;) | 14:47 |
| hbons | vish: hacks are attractive in the short term, but cause a lot if pain longterm :) | 14:47 |
| coz_ | vish, oh? another bad one | 14:47 |
| vish | hbons: agreed, but folks wanted them right now 3-4 cycles back, and who would have hacked the symbolic support, I'm not a hacker ;) | 14:48 |
| hbons | canonical should have dedicated someone to it | 14:49 |
| hbons | cause now everyone will have to port their icons icon when gnome 3 symbolc lands | 14:49 |
| hbons | s/icon/again | 14:49 |
| Islington | hbons: they could go deeper into the rabbit hell and symlink | 14:50 |
| hbons | Islington: are you islingt0ner on twitter? | 14:51 |
| coz_ | hbons, you didnt know that "grapics" of any kind are considered the "fun" part of a project ? :) | 14:51 |
| Islington | yes | 14:51 |
| vish | hbons: i mentioned this a while back itself when having the panel icons named -panel and to instead use -symbolic names; but they just told we can change names later | 14:51 |
| hbons | Islington: ah cool :) | 14:51 |
| vish | hbons: back when humanity introduced the monochrome itself.. | 14:52 |
| coz_ | graphics | 14:52 |
| hbons | vish: ah, and the official suffix is -symbolic now? to be installed in hicolor? | 14:53 |
| vish | hbons: afaik, the indicator hasnt yet been changed to use -symbolic names and not sure it supports it yet | 14:53 |
| vish | hbons: GNOME3/GTK3 has only started landing.. i need to upgrade and do it later in the cycle when stuff is stable | 14:54 |
| hbons | ok, so i'll just add whatever suffix and refer to that? | 14:54 |
| vish | hbons: yea | 14:54 |
| hbons | vish: ok cool, sorry to be a bit too harsh, i see that they're not telling you a lot :) | 14:55 |
| vish | :) | 14:55 |
| Islington | welcome to our world | 14:56 |
| hbons | there's always a place for you in #gnome-design ey ;) | 14:56 |
| vish | hbons: its a bit of a communications hell at times; cause stuff might change any moment and nothing is official until it is really official ;) | 14:56 |
| hbons | vish: yea, are there any other canonical design team members that work in the open except mpt and ivanka (who's now left)? | 14:58 |
| vish | hbons: i thing you reached the end of the list there.. ;) | 14:59 |
| vish | think* | 14:59 |
| thorwil | *sneef* | 15:00 |
| hbons | :( | 15:00 |
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