[01:31] mhall119: clearly not. The pressure on it is enough to do some damage. Not to mention 100ft is crazy talk [02:33] mhall119: Hey, did you get your Nook? [02:33] mhall119: I got some sweet stuff talking, just putting some spit-shine on it [02:37] paultag: it's supposed to arrive on Tuesday [02:38] mhall119: rocken [02:38] yeah, I can't wait [02:38] hopefully I won't brick it my first day [02:38] mhall119: it's very very very very hard to brick [02:38] mhall119: you'd have to try to brick it [02:38] well that's good [02:39] since my last attempt at device hacking resulted in my bricking a chumby [02:39] mhall119: it will always boot the SD card first, so theres almost a zero chance of screwing something up without loading in code that wipes fastboot, and even then you can still recover [02:39] it's really really hard [02:39] mhall119: to the point where I could not (easily) write something that would brick it [02:40] cool [02:40] I'm super excited about this [02:40] can't wait to do some programming for it [02:40] mhall119: I rooted mine yesterday :) it's sweet [02:40] Cheri703: nice! [02:40] mhall119: I'm stoked. I have Github working with my daemon, and Java libs that talk with it. Just working SSL into it now. Next I'll do LP integration [02:40] awesome [02:41] it yanks all pending pull requests. I'll have to futz with lp to get data that is meaningful [02:41] after that I'll do bugs [02:43] I need to add an API to my readfeeder app, so I can make a nook app for it [02:43] and also so I can ajax-up my UI [02:44] mhall119: actually this server stuff I'm writing should be generic enough to just hack the UI but keep the base code [02:45] you're writing server-side code? [02:45] mhall119: yes [02:45] mhall119: it's mostly python [02:45] oh, ok [02:46] I already have readfeeder on the server, so I don't think I'd need that [02:46] just a REST/JSON api on it [02:47] yeah [02:47] mhall119: just remember how crappy that parsing stuff is in Java, and that you have to add in support for XML, JSON or what have you [02:47] mhall119: I wrote my own little mini transport that is self-contained and fast to parse [02:47] but it's very particular [02:47] I assume they already have Xerces or some such in their runtime [02:48] I'm not sure about Java JSON parsers, but they can't be that bad can they? [02:48] mhall119: it's android, assume nothing :) [02:48] mhall119: yeah, but they are mostly lib'ized, so you won't have to write muich [02:48] :( [02:53] mhall119: yeah [02:56] mhall119: anyway, I'll get as much of that project as I can done, and example code sitting in the tree for ya, if you decide it's high time to hack [07:13] mhall119: yeah, I got it "working" on the android, but it's ugly. https://github.com/paultag/Nookie [07:54] doctormo: ahh excellent. Hadnt seen you for ages and then that came up. Had me wondering. [08:27] if people want to pile on to wiki-test.ubuntu.com and try and break it that would be great [08:30] good morning all [08:35] AlanBell: Is there xapian now? :) [08:36] http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo [08:36] * nigelb waves to dpm [08:36] I think in terms of wiki performance it sucks less than it did [08:36] but it isn't exciting [08:37] I am still tempted to slurp the whole thing into a moin instance on one of my servers and see if I can get it properly fast [08:44] hi nigelb :) [08:46] AlanBell: it's noticebly quicker. If that's to do with the number of users editing, etc no idea. [08:47] it is to do with caching and indexing and version 1.9.3 vs 1.6.2 [08:48] Well if that's how it would run in the real world it's a noticeable improvement [08:48] apparently should be better in the real world as it would be on a faster server [08:48] Easiest test, create a page with 5 - 10 FullSearch items that usually slows it down [08:48] yeah, xapian should in theory sort all those fullsearch items out [08:49] and you should be using fullsearchcached where possible [08:49] Yeah I picked up on that after I'd set up team reports, when I was setting up team reports they suggested fullsearch [08:49] AlanBell: can I put evil thinks in there?= [08:49] :D [08:49] I changed that [08:49] things even [08:50] jussi: go try [08:50] evil as you like [08:50] well when it finally signs me in... [08:50] yeah problem for some [08:51] do i need to try again, or will it eventually do it? [08:51] any problems ping bradm in #canonical-sysadmin [08:51] dunno, it just worked for me [08:51] but some others have had issues just now [08:52] ahh, it finally went in [08:53] ok, I created an index page. [08:53] That should sufficiently cause pain for it ;) [08:53] its slow :( [08:54] It worked alright until I tried to log in :) [08:54] heh [08:54] w00t [08:55] looks like I killed it (sort of) [08:56] I got a 500 when I tried to log in [08:56] saving user preferences is slo [09:00] when is the UWN relaunch? [09:01] AlanBell: probably when they find people to do it, no? [09:04] OK, there were an assortment of proposed dates, but it looks like not till october now [09:04] http://akgraner.com/?p=927 [09:04] if I am reading that correctly [09:05] just didn't want to schedule wiki downtime on the day of the relaunch :) [09:07] AlanBell: today. [09:07] AlanBell: we worked out it yesterday and when nhandler and pleia2 wake up, they will release :-) [09:10] woah, ok [09:13] AlanBell: check how much time it takes to open http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu/index [09:17] AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue220 [09:18] Does anyone know places where one can study usability online? (proper courses) [09:19] (HCI) [09:49] morning [09:51] o/ czajkowski [09:53] jussi: its a module in most comp sci courses [09:53] czajkowski: yeah, Im interested in doing a little more than just one module, but finding it hard to find courses. [09:56] jussi: yeah it [09:56] it [09:56] it's more like a sub section [09:57] I know one person who did some specialisation in it, but havent seen her online for a while. [09:57] (seele) [09:58] yeah i know folks have done masters in them based on their final year projects === daker_ is now known as daker [10:30] jussi: maybe ask mpt? [10:33] popey: good point === kim0_ is now known as kim0 [14:25] popey: hey did you guys have a membership board meeting yesterday? === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [14:25] I didnt [14:25] we dont have them on Sundays [14:45] mornin [14:54] moin moin, alle [14:56] morning cjohnston, paultag [14:56] o/ [14:59] dpm: morning [14:59] hey cjohnston [14:59] heyo [15:16] mornin jono [15:21] hey cjohnston [15:21] jono: had a cuppa tea yet to start the day [15:23] czajkowski, on it now [15:23] sucking down a coffee before my first call in 7 mins [15:23] another busy week ahead [15:23] coffee-- [15:24] jono: have had to get used to pgtips over here [15:24] very odd [15:24] but not bad [15:24] czajkowski, ooh I love PG Tips [15:24] my tea of choice [15:25] I have some over here :-) [15:25] heh [15:25] can you buy it or do you get care packages from hom [15:25] home [15:26] hmm i seemed to have started a discussion on twitter [15:26] do other women find it annoying to find pc/computer mags and photography mags all displayed under mens section [15:26] only 1 country has said doesnt happen [15:27] that would be mine :) [15:28] yes [15:28] you're the only country [15:28] but that's probably because we don't have any 'men's interests' and 'women's interests' sections at all [15:28] few mates in marketing say analysis shows that it makes sense [15:30] kim0, about set? [15:30] jono: yeah [15:31] rockin' [15:31] one sec [15:41] czajkowski: do you mean 'a few' or 'few'? [15:43] a few [15:43] i see [15:44] maybe to aid browsing for potentially interesting material, although it is somewhat stereotypical [15:44] stereotypes are after all based on reality often [15:44] indeed === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:11] I don't recall them being under "mens" secions in the USA [16:11] usually they're under "Computer" or "Hobby" or something like that [16:11] "Mens" section usually has cars, guns and sports mags [16:12] in places without a "computer" or "hobby section" they end up in Mens [16:13] you mean places with a small selection? [16:13] yeah [16:14] hmmm, interesting, I wonder what the economic argument is for that [16:37] ive been to a bookstore where the lad mags & body builder mags were put on the end-caps for the computers/networking/programming section [16:37] czajkowski: ^ === maco2 is now known as maco [16:38] nods [16:40] how do you know which bit is the mens bit? [16:40] well it's either the men's or its the lesbians, judging by the not-so-very-dressed ladies on the covers [16:41] yes, but that isn't about positioning, that is about the covers [16:41] there's also usually a sign [16:41] and I was wondering who purchases the body builder/fit bloke type mags (not me) [16:45] heh, yeah, putting the body builder ones by computers is rather bucking stereotypes [16:51] there are hardly any mens mags at all though, just FHM, loaded, Nuts and they barely existed up to a few years ago [16:53] the ones where the subject is computers, aeroplanes, modelling (as long as it is the type of modelling that doesn't categorize as "craft"), trains, boats, cars all totally blatently market to men only [16:54] it's kinda lulzy [16:54] it's so over the top these days [16:55] "HOT New RAM and sexy babes!" Clearly they go together, being a nerd is something all the ladies look for. [16:55] or aspire to be [16:55] truth [16:56] To be honest, I've met woman that were clearly attractive by normal standards, but as soon as I find out they think 2 + 5 * 0 = 0, I cry inside. [16:58] paultag: It's clearly 2, although I shudder when expressions are inexplicit. [16:58] doctormo: me too, but still. I've met people who *insist* it's 0 [16:58] paultag: Want to go out with me then? ;-) tea, normal places? [16:59] doctormo: yes, please. I'm down the cape right now, so it'll have to be after I get a car back, I'm stuck car-less 2 hours driving from BOS main [16:59] * AlanBell rewrites it as 5 0 * 2 + [16:59] doctormo: I'm rebuilding parts of my father's house for him [16:59] AlanBell: woo RPM :) [16:59] paultag: Heh, if you're not in another state, you're in another county! [16:59] AlanBell: I did a whole CS final in RPM because my professor was being a bit of a dill-hole that semester. [16:59] AlanBell: he was *pissed* [16:59] doctormo: :) [17:00] paultag: I did an assignment in PostScript [17:00] You could be all adventures and either take the ferry or the bus. I've done it myself. [17:00] doctormo: I'll be back soon 'nuf, or if I plan it, I could try to see how far I can get by buss [17:00] that is RPM [17:00] doctormo: aye! [17:00] AlanBell: Oh no [17:00] Revolutions Per Minute? [17:00] reverse polish notation ;) [17:01] RPN [17:01] Oh RPM, lolwut [17:01] we both did it /o\ [17:01] :) [17:01] doctormo: I'll let you know, I've been meaning to get down. I've not seen you in months :) [17:02] mhall119: did you catch my pokes last night? I have a "Hello, World" diff test running right now [17:02] mhall119: it runs and fetches correctly on the Nook :) [17:02] just looks ugly as all fsck(); [17:02] Hello! [17:02] nigelb: 'lo mate [17:03] nigelb: I got Nookie playing nicely last night at 3:00 AM, I'm so stoked [17:03] paultag: \o/ [17:03] NookieDaemon → Nookielib → Ithaka [17:04] You make me wonder if the Nook was built for reading books or for you to back. [17:04] nigelb: Dude, it's android. I was born to hack. [17:04] http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/ithaca/ ← for anyone who missed the name ref' [17:05] paultag: They should rebrand the Nook as "Giving Geeks the pleasure of hacking since 2011" :-) [17:05] nigelb: yes, please. eInk is so great [17:06] I just need to change it's oreantation and get the style playing nicer (black on white rather then white on black) [17:08] pleia2: earrings, ORDERED. [17:08] jcastro: did you get a piercing or are those for jill? [17:08] heh [17:09] jcastro with a piercing would ROCK. [17:09] nigelb: he has two [17:09] isn't everybody pierced yet! come on! [17:09] maco: they are for jills [17:09] nigelb: I mean, I didn't say they were visable, but he has 2 [17:10] though, I think they would be cooler in silver [17:10] if they were post earrings, id give up on having gauged ears and just have them become my earrings-i-wear-every-day-for-years-on-end, but danglies? ugh, have to take 'em out at night [17:10] maybe they'll do another round [17:10] We need more ubuntu branded crafts :) [17:10] ooh or if they were like size 6 gauges with the CoF on the front of the pipe...??? thatd be incentive to gauge a bit farther! [17:11] jcastro: yay! thanks :) [17:11] ah, plugs i mean [17:11] couldnt remember the name for the not-hollow ones :P === m4n1sh is now known as manish [17:12] "Special Edition Jackson Jono Bacon Signature Flying V" [17:12] we could go on and on [17:12] that would actually be pretty sick [17:13] ubuntu branded things that rock [17:13] One day, when I am rich and win the lotto, I'm sponsoring an Ubuntu superbike. [17:13] jcastro: dude, bass. I want to see a Stingray 3EQ, Eggplant and Orange, CoF on the fretboard [17:13] that would be tight. [17:13] Anyone's bought the keyboard from the canonical store? the one that's foldable. [17:13] yeah for the little dots [17:13] they'd just be little CoFs [17:14] ye [17:14] jcastro, :-) [17:14] nigelb: with the windows key? [17:14] maco: yeah, that one. [17:14] nigelb: ive played with a foldable keyboard before...its worse than a dell keyboard [17:14] speaking of guitars, I am craigslisting one today [17:14] jcastro: what kind? [17:15] maco: Oh. Okay, plans canceled then :) [17:15] nigelb: though, boyfriend claims that once you get used to the weird feel of it, it actually ends up nicer on the wrists [17:15] maco: but do you have to keep hitting hard on that? I wwas told that's the problem with foldable ones [17:15] right [17:16] they squish funny so you feel like you have to press really hard to compensate [17:16] he says once he got used to doing that, it felt better for his RSI (ulnar nerve type) [17:17] hrm tis makes me further confused :) [17:17] *this [17:17] jcastro: give me your guitar [17:18] I have an unbranded foldable keyboard [17:18] it is *horrible* [17:19] I have a horrible position on my table at home. [17:19] The height is terrible for me. [17:20] cjohnston: I will find a pic [17:21] you won't want it [17:21] it's like this hand painted POS [17:21] POS? [17:21] if you give it to me ill take it === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [17:21] piece of [17:21] DOes that mean what I think it means? [17:21] ah, yes :) [17:21] point of sale [17:21] hahah [17:21] that too [17:22] I work for a company that does POS isntallations. [17:22] yes, it's a guitar with an IBM cash register in it [17:22] jcastro: dude, win win [17:22] i just barked the meaning of POS at nigelb in PM. I hope he takes it the right way [17:22] where POS means what paultag said. [17:22] you can play Pink Floyd's "Money" on it quite well [17:22] * jcastro groans [17:22] YES! I have code reviews looking sweet :) [17:22] popey: haha [17:22] jcastro: hahaha [17:22] popey: :) [17:23] Check it out, it found a pending pull against my github -- http://i.imgur.com/NhVtk.jpg [17:24] now that I have POC working, I can ditch the POS app ;) [17:24] paultag: Now I want a nook too. [17:24] nigelb: wait until after I'm done, you can work on LP integration on the daemon side to help with tarmac [17:25] nigelb: server's in python [17:25] paultag: heh :) [17:25] tarmac++ [17:25] uses an SSL socket to talk with the nook [17:25] I wish LP provided a tarmac feature for us. Like it does for daily builds. [17:25] jcastro: ^^ Help us! :D [17:26] paultag: 139$ isn't as high as I feared it would. [17:26] nigelb: and it's hella nice. It can run angry birds fine, but the screen can't keep up [17:27] so it's not CPU or RAM bound in any way. Hell, it has more in it then my G1 [17:27] I've been wanting a ready for months! [17:27] *reader [17:28] nigelb: if we get ubuntu'ers on nooktouch, I'd be happy to give this project up to help with doing more community stuffs [17:28] like info that's in status.ubuntu, your lp info (bugs assigned, code branches pending, blueprints, builds) [17:29] BAH! In compliance with shipping regulations, some item(s) in your order cannot be sent to Bangalore in India. [17:29] B and N, you fail. [17:30] nigelb: ship it to an ubunfriend and have them ship it to you [17:30] paultag: Or, wait till closer to UDS and bribe mhall119 or cjohnston to pass it to me (if I make it) or someone from India :-) [17:31] Oh, the defend the Launchpad trademark seems to have trigged some special kind of comments. [17:38] paultag: I like how you are using my pull request in your pictures ;) [17:38] paultag: But you really need a screenshot app for the nook [17:38] nhandler: it's the biggest one :) [17:38] nhandler: yeah I know [17:52] afaik you need root to take a screenshot in android, no? [17:53] yes [17:53] or adb [17:54] yeah [18:03] jcastro: saw your tweet, maybe we need to link the forums and LP better and and have everything bug report create a forum thread where discussion not related to fix the bug can take place [18:03] not sure that is a good idea [18:03] because everytime I've seen someone link a bug in the forums [18:03] people just go post stupid things in the bug [18:04] it would involve some teaching, info for the developers: LP. discssion, ranting, etc..: forums [18:04] probably too much to ask [18:08] I am a strong believer in flagging now [18:08] and just being brutal [18:12] just make Ubuntu more metal [18:12] jcastro: how about a way for bug control peeps to mark a comment as having actual useful info, then a "hide useless" button? [18:12] being useful is supposed to be the default [18:20] someone blogged wishing that the "me too" button would be more prominent on LP, i couldn't agree more [18:22] or [18:22] if you could just transform comments into ME TOO's it'd be nice [18:24] could work [18:26] jono: can we delay our call an hour or two? AC guy is in and out of the basement and the noise isn't condusive to a conversation [18:29] jcastro: There was a suggestion a long while back (Belgium?), basically for an extension that marks bugs as useful or not useful. [18:30] So, that extension would talk to a data-source that would let you login in LP, so we can have bug control mark comments as useful and not useful. [18:36] jcastro: comments into me too's is a bad idea. the point of the me too's was that we wouldnt have a million comments that say "me too". [18:36] err [18:36] Isn't that what jorge said in the bug report? :) [18:36] right [18:36] but people do it anyway [18:37] ahh [18:37] I do see a Hide Comment button on my comments [18:37] jcastro: This brings us to the question of how we want to implement it. Like, what's the base point. [18:37] but no instructions on how to use it [18:37] Like, do we want to hide the nosie from devs or do we want to hide everything not useful to devs. [18:38] I think we want to hide everything not useful period [18:38] let's say I have a bug [18:38] and I have a problem with it [18:38] I shouldn't have to read through all the noise, I as a user also only want the pertinant information [18:39] That makes sense, but doesn't that give too much power to the person controlling this? [18:39] no [18:39] read my proposal [18:39] a comment would need a threshold [18:39] * nigelb reads again [18:39] so let's say I post "this bug sucks, you suck summit authors" [18:40] when 3 people flag it it gets hidden [18:40] or whatever the threshold is [18:40] Ah, that makes much more sense :) [18:40] I should learn to actually read than skim [18:40] so it's not just one person deciding [18:40] }/32 [18:40] uggh [18:41] I would say +1 on the bug report, but that'd be a "me too" ;) [18:41] jcastro, sure [18:42] jcastro: heh, bribe the LP team in Dublin to do this? :) [18:42] nigelb: you can click the button. :) [18:42] Yeah, I just did and subscribed too [18:44] isnt that what this "This bug affects me too" is for? [18:46] ... [18:46] ok so no one is actually reading my post [18:46] I get it [18:48] what post? [18:48] the bug report we're talking about [18:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/796714 [18:48] Ubuntu bug 796714 in launchpad "LP needs flagging of content for quality" [Undecided,New] [18:48] I'm guessing Lp team is getting ready to fly to Dublin [18:49] Oh, you mean we're commenting witout reading. Ah. [18:51] there's alot of that going on today! [18:51] heh [18:54] hey my friends nigelb and jcastro [18:54] <-- takes a few minutes to lunch out, brb. [19:03] couldn't resist adding a (hopefully useful) comment :) [19:05] jono isnt working jcastro hard enough if he is able to go out for lunch [19:06] let the man eat his lunch in peace :p [19:06] topyli: I doubt there's any research, but I've had to "throw everyone out of the pool" so to speak on a few sound bugs before, and I've seen crimsun do it as well. "All of you, go open your own bugs. All further comments from everyone who is not the original reporter of this bug will be ignored" is basically how it goes. [19:07] that's probably true for all kernel/display/audio bugs. [19:08] maco: alright [19:08] ugh one time i had them argue with me that since theyre all "intel hda" it MUST all be the same bug [19:09] "original reporter has a Realtek ALC888, you have Realtek ALC883, that guy's got a Conexant so dunno what the hell he's doing here, and you over there have a Sigmatel! No, you absolutely are NOT sharing a bug, now get out!" [19:10] Heh [19:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/277339/comments/15 [19:16] Ubuntu bug 277339 in linux "Sound intermittently inaudible at boot with Sigmatel STAC9200" [Medium,Invalid] [19:18] see also comments 17-21 [19:18] * nigelb looks at the entire bug [19:20] maco: wtf [19:20] "So, thanks for your "help" but unless you have something valuable to share please keep this conversation on-topic and the multi-replies to a minimum. k, ty." [19:20] someone tells *you* to keep the voice to a minimum :| [19:21] yeah that pissed me off === daker is now known as daker_ [19:22] and they called you a "he" :( [19:22] yes [19:22] im not crimsun, but jeez i do know a bit more about alsa than J Random User [19:22] maco is more a force of nature [19:22] hahahaha [19:22] jcastro: +1 [19:23] jcastro: she was helping me clean up planet configs when I reralized she's on DMB and RMB :) [19:23] Force of nature indeed :) [19:23] which reminds me: why can i, as a dmb member, see the former members of core dev, motu, and dev, but i cant, as an rmb member, see former members of ubuntumembers? [19:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtqeJ4nqXJQ [19:24] here you go maco [19:24]