[00:32] <ikonia> hello gohdan
[00:32] <gohdan> can someone update ubottu's factoid on "su"?
[00:32] <gohdan> it treats su as sudo which is not the same thing
[00:32] <ikonia> !sudo
[00:32] <ikonia> oops
[00:32] <ikonia> !su
[00:33] <gohdan> err
[00:33] <ikonia> come on ubottu .....
[00:33] <ikonia> !find su
[00:34] <ikonia> !search su
[00:34] <ikonia> I'm having a bad bot commands day, sorry
[00:34] <ikonia> !su
[00:34] <ikonia> gohdan: what would you like to see in place for !su
[00:34] <gohdan> idk. but su =/= sudo though
[00:35] <gohdan> whatever the op overlords deem best would suffice
[00:35] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with it as it is, in terms of it's saying use sudo,
[00:35] <ikonia> but I appreciate what you're saying, it's worth looking at
[00:36] <gohdan> fair enough. just thought it was looking into. it is /slightly/ incorrect
[00:36] <ikonia> it is worth looking into
[00:36] <ikonia> you're right in what you're saying
[00:37] <ikonia> I'm just wondering if it's worth maintining another factoid that will say "don't use su, use sudo, see !sudo"
[00:38] <gohdan> that too is incorrect as there are many uses for su
[00:39] <gohdan> su is not super user do
[00:40] <ldunn> sudo isn't super user do either o/
[00:41] <ikonia> gohdan: in an ubuntu situation, what would you use su for other than becoming root
[00:41] <ikonia> or even running a command as another user ?
[00:41] <gohdan> logging in as another user
[00:42] <gohdan> just because su defaults to root doesnt make it the same thing
[00:42] <ikonia> which other user ? there are no other shell users
[00:42] <gohdan> su  foo
[00:43] <gohdan> not the same thing as sudo bar
[00:44] <ikonia> gohdan: sorry, I'm not making myself clear
[00:44] <ikonia> gohdan: the purpose of that factoid is to say use sudo instead of su on an ubuntu system, hence linking to sudo
[00:44] <ikonia> in a default ubuntu situation there is no other user with an active shell available to be able to su to - other than root
[00:45] <ikonia> hence why it's suggested using sudo for any other "other user" commands
[00:45] <rww> I note that sudo can switch to other user also.
[00:45] <rww> other than root, that is.
[00:45] <gohdan> fairy snuff. just thought i would make a recommendation is all.
[00:46] <ikonia> gohdan: if you have a suggestion for content, I'm open to it
[00:46] <rww> The difference between the two in practice is really just that su asks for the destination user's password and sudo asks for the source user's password and requires the user be a sudoer.
[00:48] <rww> The reason why !su is aliased to !sudo is that 99% of the times that people ask about su in #ubuntu it's because they want to be root.
[00:48] <Flannel> You can use sudo to become another user too.
[00:48] <gohdan> rww: i understand the rationale
[00:48] <rww> (and as su asks for the destination password, and the root account is disabled in Ubuntu, and enabling it is not a supported operation in #ubuntu...)
[00:50] <rww> But yes. I've used su on Ubuntu for legitimate reasons, so I know there's a point to it, I just don't think I've ever seen anyone in #ubuntu in the same situation.
[00:50] <gohdan> very well then. i retract my suggestion
[00:51] <gohdan> i thank the op overlords for granting me audience.
[00:51] <gohdan> farewell
[00:53] <rww> "overlord". I like that.
[00:53] <ldunn> I for one...
[00:55] <LjL> ... welcome...
[00:58] <Flannel> ...our new rww overlord!
[01:59] <Anastasius> Oh hi!  Nevermind.  :)
[02:12] <rww> o.O
[02:13] <ldunn> Curious.
[02:14] <rww> I dunno if that was supposed to look like a banforward or if he's just bored. Oh well.
[02:14] <rww> Hi log readers, btw.
[02:14]  * ldunn waves
[04:12] <rww> !no, firefox is the default web browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | To install plugins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxPlugins
[04:49] <IdleOne> interesting
[04:49] <rww> Guest1854567: Hello!
[04:49] <rww> I'm such a horrible troll :3
[04:54] <rww> IdleOne: I presume you can't see what lynx__ is typing right now?
[04:54] <rww> ah, nvm
[04:54] <IdleOne> I don't
[04:54] <IdleOne> why?
[04:54] <rww> just checking I did it rigth
[04:54] <IdleOne> yup
[04:55]  * rww checks moon phase
[04:55] <IdleOne> he seemed so normal
[04:56] <rww> 90.73% illuminated and waxing. figures.
[06:32] <rww> heck of a hostmask.
[06:42] <elky> I have a small inkling that's not going to be a fun negotiation.
[12:57] <ikonia> hello newlife
[12:58] <ikonia> bye newlife
[16:02] <mneptok> if there was an -ops quote page, ikonia saying "bye, new life," would be pinned to the top.
[16:03] <ikonia> thank you
[16:03] <mneptok> you speak for us all
[16:12] <ikonia> hello Guest1855922  and Guest1855920
[17:06] <ikonia> hello again Guest1856030
[17:13] <ikonia> bye again Guest1856030
[18:54] <Corey> Good morning, folks.
[19:45] <rww> hrm. perhaps i will switch that banforward to a +q