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| === ujjain is now known as ujjain|afk | ||
| kaushal | Hi | 06:22 |
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| kaushal | I do diff orgfile newfile How do i apply entries in orgfile to newfile ? | 06:23 |
| kaushal | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/625658/ | 06:42 |
| AlanBell | if people want to pile on to wiki-test.ubuntu.com and try and break it that would be great | 08:27 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I'm getting cannot find www.wiki-test.ubuntu.com, but worked in a fashion using http:// which asked me if I wanted to use http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/? | 08:30 |
| popey | DJones: why put www in front of it? | 08:30 |
| popey | Tip: Don't. | 08:31 |
| DJones | Heh, true | 08:31 |
| diplo | morning all | 08:34 |
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| dogmatic69 | o/ | 08:38 |
| dogmatic69 | could anyone point me to some tutorials on writing decent bash stuff? | 08:38 |
| dogmatic69 | like making it show up in man etc | 08:38 |
| BigRedS_ | tldp.org ? | 08:40 |
| === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS | ||
| BigRedS | To make it show up in man you need to write a man page and install it | 08:40 |
| BigRedS | which is a distinct kettle of fish | 08:40 |
| dogmatic69 | k | 08:40 |
| dogmatic69 | is that going overboard? | 08:40 |
| BigRedS | It depends | 08:41 |
| BigRedS | I've not written anything in bash that I could justify more than a --help for | 08:41 |
| dogmatic69 | i am busy building a bunch of libs to make life easy | 08:41 |
| BigRedS | but more documentation is normally useful, as long as you manage to keep it good | 08:41 |
| dogmatic69 | ye, maybe --help is all that is needed | 08:41 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: i tried to log in with launchpad openid and it just times out | 08:47 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 08:49 |
| DJones | ali1234: AlanBell Firt part of sign in works, but then has stopped after asking "Sign in to Ubuntu Wiki (Test)" with a waiting message, then also timed out | 08:49 |
| ali1234 | yeah same here | 08:49 |
| AlanBell | reported | 08:50 |
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| MooDoo | quiet in here | 09:47 |
| oimon | yep | 09:48 |
| jerome | All? | 09:59 |
| MooDoo | jerome: huh? | 09:59 |
| jerome | Moodoo: Wron channel :) | 10:01 |
| MooDoo | jerome: ah :) | 10:01 |
| jerome | s/n/g | 10:01 |
| * jerome should leave monday morning mode soon | 10:02 | |
| MooDoo | jerome: i'll do that about 3pm this afternoon ;) | 10:02 |
| jerome | Yeah, at this time it'll be post lunch mode | 10:03 |
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| === gary_ is now known as Guest2756 | ||
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:32 |
| popey | lo | 10:32 |
| diplo | morning brobostigon | 10:32 |
| selinuxium | Hi all o/ | 10:33 |
| brobostigon | morning popey diplo and selinuxium | 10:34 |
| diplo | popey, did you ever do a blog post on your Elec cost etc set up ? | 10:35 |
| diplo | Also, do you have any idea how much it costs a day/month or wat ever to run your HP mini server box ? | 10:35 |
| popey | i dont know the power of the hp box | 10:35 |
| popey | if you'd asked me friday I would have plugged it into the power meter | 10:36 |
| diplo | kk, will see if i can work it out some how | 10:36 |
| popey | but I'm not going to switch it off now ☺ | 10:36 |
| diplo | :D | 10:36 |
| diplo | No worries, no rush.. if you ever do remember I'd appreciate it. | 10:36 |
| diplo | Being single now i really am watching pennies, but would love to have a server on 24/7 at home | 10:36 |
| diplo | But only got old towers atm | 10:36 |
| diplo | So want to have some idea on how much elec it will cost me | 10:37 |
| diplo | :) | 10:37 |
| AlanBell | something like £1/year/watt I believe | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | so if the box draws 30W then £30/year | 10:48 |
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| diplo | Thanks AlanBell I had heard that | 10:51 |
| diplo | But I know my Dell TS105 pulls a hell of a lot more than that | 10:51 |
| diplo | I suppose i could look on HP's site and see if it offers any info | 10:51 |
| popey | diplo: also, mine is not a standard one | 11:03 |
| popey | diplo: mine has 5 disks in it | 11:03 |
| diplo | heh yeah I had read that | 11:03 |
| diplo | I want that many in mine eventually once I have some spare cash | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:03 |
| diplo | morning | 11:04 |
| davmor2 | popey: did you deal with your pci express card in the end? | 11:06 |
| popey | yes, it came with a smaller bracket | 11:06 |
| popey | installed fine | 11:06 |
| popey | 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40) | 11:07 |
| popey | 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01) | 11:07 |
| popey | ☺ | 11:07 |
| diplo | Oh you have added another card to allow more drives | 11:11 |
| DJones | Does anybody know of a way of converting "20110613" to a normal date format in Excel | 11:12 |
| diplo | =DATEVALUE seems to spring to mind | 11:12 |
| diplo | just having a google now | 11:13 |
| DJones | datevalue seems to go the other way | 11:14 |
| diplo | yeah I was wrong :) | 11:15 |
| diplo | Been a while since I've used excel | 11:15 |
| DJones | seems a good place to start though, might give me a link to the right command though | 11:15 |
| diplo | =value(left(a2,3)&/ | 11:16 |
| diplo | ozgrid.com | 11:16 |
| diplo | Seems to have a good explanation | 11:16 |
| DJones | Thanks, I'll have a look | 11:17 |
| popey | diplo: yes | 11:18 |
| popey | diplo: I have an external EDGE10 box with 4 bays | 11:18 |
| popey | and the cheapo onboard SATA interface wont show multiple drives in one enclosure | 11:19 |
| * czajkowski bangs her head against a wall dealing with companies/recruiters who dont mail back | 11:19 | |
| popey | so i added the pcie card to enable that | 11:19 |
| diplo | nice, really need to find myself some spare cash | 11:20 |
| * davmor2 prods czajkowski hello | 11:23 | |
| * MooDoo says alright to davmor2 and prods czajkowski as well | 11:26 | |
| popey | I should probably do something with the other 3 hp microservers | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Watcha Mucka | 11:28 |
| diplo | 3?¬?¬?¬? | 11:28 |
| diplo | Sell them off uber cheap to me | 11:28 |
| diplo | :) | 11:28 |
| diplo | 1* | 11:28 |
| popey | heh | 11:29 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: how you doing this fine day? | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | popey: bitmining or better usage would be a cluster for mine craft you know it makes sense | 11:29 |
| popey | not sure the cpu has enough grunt for minecraft | 11:30 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: you confusing fine with miserable, frey and cold again? | 11:30 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: i've got man flu, it's a curse | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: there, there, not down to too much alcohol at all then :) | 11:34 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: no not this time | 11:35 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: bummer dude hope you get well soon | 11:36 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: hopefully it's a 24 hour thing | 11:38 |
| daubers | Morning | 11:52 |
| MooDoo | morning daubers | 11:52 |
| oimon | http://www.boutiqueacademia.com/products/Ubuntu-Earrings.html | 12:19 |
| MooDoo | oimon: yeah saw them on pleias post | 12:19 |
| oimon | there's some great stuff on that site | 12:20 |
| BigRedS | I've an apache2 revers proxy which is returning an HTTP500 apparently without writing anything to the logs. Is this indicative of the proxied-to host returning an error? I'd expect that to be logged, too | 12:57 |
| davmor2 | Morning daubers is this from your windows box? | 12:58 |
| BigRedS | hah. no it's indicative of my having not loaded mod_proxy_http | 13:00 |
| diplo | Anyone recognise this name Bruno Girin ? | 14:09 |
| diplo | I recognise it from some where Ubuntu related | 14:09 |
| popey | Yes | 14:09 |
| diplo | Just wanted to get in contact with him ref something he is writing for Shotwell :) | 14:10 |
| popey | he works / worked on shotwell | 14:10 |
| diplo | Want to test if he needs a tested | 14:10 |
| diplo | Ah! | 14:10 |
| diplo | :) | 14:10 |
| diplo | tester* | 14:10 |
| popey | http://twitter.com/#!/brunogirin | 14:10 |
| DJones | diplo: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/brunogirin | 14:10 |
| * diplo follows and looks | 14:10 | |
| diplo | ta | 14:10 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/~brunogirin | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | speaking of shotwell | 14:10 |
| popey | his gmail account is there | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | so my monitor has a card reader in it | 14:11 |
| diplo | lol, I really don't know why i didn't check any of those ( maybe not linked in ) but i normally do . | 14:11 |
| diplo | Cheeers guys | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | every time i turn it off then on again (every day) it reenumerates the card reader and then shotwell loads, because the card has photos on it | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | it's really annoying | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | i never said to automatically open stuff | 14:11 |
| popey | pull the card out? | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | no | 14:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: don't turn it off manually, use the automatic standby :) | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | fix ubuntu | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | i wish there was a way to turn off the monitor from software without having to wait for the timeout | 14:13 |
| hamitron | isn't there a lock screen button? | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | yes, it just locks the screen, it does not turn off the monitor | 14:14 |
| hamitron | ah :) | 14:14 |
| hamitron | never played with such things much | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | besides i don't use screenload or screensaver | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | i just turn off the monitor | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | it's much easier and it never happens accidentally while i am doing something | 14:15 |
| hamitron | yeh, same | 14:15 |
| wintellect | How do I query which pkg contains an installed app? | 14:18 |
| popey | dpkg -S `which <program>` | 14:20 |
| oimon | wintellect: apt-file search will search across all packages | 14:20 |
| wintellect | popey: oimon - thanks | 14:21 |
| czajkowski | c | 14:21 |
| czajkowski | grr | 14:21 |
| czajkowski | grr | 14:21 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: wassup? | 14:22 |
| czajkowski | stupid keyboard | 14:22 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: not using dvorak or something silly are you? ;) | 14:22 |
| oimon | PEBCAK | 14:22 |
| czajkowski | nope | 14:22 |
| czajkowski | mini 9 | 14:22 |
| MooDoo | ah little keyboard then | 14:23 |
| * BigRedS is incompatible with netbook keyboards | 14:23 | |
| * hamitron upgrades BigRedS to something better | 14:24 | |
| BigRedS | Nah, it's the netbook that needs upgrading! | 14:24 |
| hamitron | :D | 14:24 |
| daubers | davmor2: Yes | 14:26 |
| andylock1an | heya | 14:26 |
| gord | mini 9's :( | 14:30 |
| gord | hard enough to type on a 10 | 14:30 |
| oimon | has anyone ever seen a zune IRL? | 14:32 |
| davmor2 | daubers: wow I knew windows was slow I had no idea the lag would be that bad, /me waits another 4 hours for a reply | 14:35 |
| daubers | davmor2: :p I blame this "work" concept. Get's in the way of _everything_ | 14:36 |
| davmor2 | daubers: haha | 14:36 |
| gord | sometimes i swear, work gets in the way of work even | 14:37 |
| daubers | gord: Yes! I spent 3 days yesterday doing project management stuffabout project management :( | 14:37 |
| daubers | 3 days last week even | 14:38 |
| * daubers needs moar coffee | 14:38 | |
| gord | was gonna say ;) | 14:38 |
| davmor2 | gord: only when trying to work on things not directly related to work but are rewarded by work for working so hard on it, right? | 14:38 |
| daubers | doesn't help that it's just warm and muggy enough to make you sleepy today | 14:38 |
| gord | davmor2, its monday, i stopped reading what you said after the second work | 14:39 |
| davmor2 | gord: haha | 14:39 |
| davmor2 | work getting in the way again :D | 14:39 |
| andylock1an | :p | 14:39 |
| davmor2 | gord: I got a second hand copy of dragon age 2 who ever said it was smaller lied :) the map is but there are more quests and sub quests that the first with more downloadable ones if you get bored with the original game | 14:41 |
| gord | davmor2, i said its smaller, because it is :P | 14:41 |
| davmor2 | gord: but the games bigger there are more places they just happen to be in one city rather than an entire continent | 14:42 |
| gord | davmor2, its way smaller, the main city is bigger than the other cities in da1, but that doesn't mean the game is bigger | 14:43 |
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| davmor2 | gord: I'm 50% of the way through it (ie quest 1 is complete) and I've only completed 18% of the game. I think the issue is if you don't look for the extra elements you don't complete them | 14:48 |
| gord | davmor2, i did pretty much everything the game had to offer, still beat it in a week, made sure to do all the quests i could find | 14:48 |
| bigcalm | Ello peeps | 14:49 |
| davmor2 | gord: did that include all the mail you get at your home? | 14:49 |
| gord | yup | 14:49 |
| gord | i mean, i had fun whilst i was doing all that. i would of stopped if i wasn't. but its not as big a game as da1. which makes sense, they made the entire thing in like a year | 14:50 |
| MartijnVdS | Tame(ish) birds++ http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5828812586/in/photostream | 14:52 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: like it :) | 14:53 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: My brother keeps telling me they're almost as dumb as owls | 14:54 |
| daubers | But then he would :) | 14:54 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: This bird's trainer is trying to get a proper crow, they're supposed to be a bit smarter | 14:54 |
| davmor2 | gord: I noticed all the duplication of areas which didn't seem so apparent in DA1 and I hate the fact that you can't get to some areas at all | 14:56 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/prjmellors/5828829596/ | 14:56 |
| gord | davmor2, which area's can't you get to? | 14:56 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: cool] | 14:56 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: not the original, it's a scanned version of the one i did | 14:57 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: Still a cool pic :) | 14:57 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Apparently. He deals with birds of pray more often than not | 14:57 |
| davmor2 | gord: on the summit there is a cavern with a door the one end and a magic shield the other nothing opens either door, there were a lot of places where you went in but there were no way to get through to places on the map | 14:58 |
| gord | davmor2, right, those places are because of duplicating the area's. each time you go into a cave or whatever, it'll just use the same map but open different areas | 14:59 |
| davmor2 | gord: yes which is a bit crap | 15:02 |
| MattJ | Ooouch :( | 15:24 |
| MattJ | I just discovered I've been hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 | 15:24 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu Hardy) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Fix released] | 15:24 |
| MattJ | and that I have no backups for the past 2 weeks | 15:24 |
| MooDoo | MattJ: ouch.... | 15:25 |
| popey | oops | 15:26 |
| popey | I had the same | 15:26 |
| popey | but spotted it sooner | 15:26 |
| selinuxium | erm... am I missing something... How do I map a windows drive in Unity? | 15:26 |
| MooDoo | selinuxium: use the command line ;) | 15:26 |
| daubers | selinuxium: Go into nautilus, hit ctrl+l then enter smb://blah blah blah :) | 15:27 |
| MattJ | popey: I'm accustomed to the cron emails being in my inbox every morning, I guess I've been thinking about too much other stuff the past couple of weeks to notice their absence until today | 15:27 |
| selinuxium | MooDoo, daubers So what happened to the GUI? | 15:28 |
| MattJ | and I won't complain too loudly, having messed up a security release of my own around the same time | 15:28 |
| daubers | selinuxium: The "Connect to Server" one? | 15:29 |
| selinuxium | daubers, yup | 15:29 |
| daubers | selinuxium: Go into nautilus, then it's in the file menu | 15:30 |
| daubers | selinuxium: I tend to use the ctrl+L method as it's quicker, and I do that about 10 times a day | 15:30 |
| MooDoo | popey: your tumbleweed page has caused great amusement in our office today :D | 16:03 |
| popey | heh | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: it would still be better animated | 16:07 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it is | 16:07 |
| gord | note to self rm -r *nux* may also delete lots of files with the word "linux" in them... | 16:07 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: tumbleweed goes accross the screen | 16:07 |
| davmor2 | woo hoo popey when did that happen | 16:08 |
| davmor2 | haha nice | 16:08 |
| popey | about a month ago | 16:09 |
| davmor2 | popey: Yeah I think I looked at it but had forgotten as it hadn't appeared on here that much :) | 16:11 |
| andylock1an | url? | 16:25 |
| MooDoo | andylock1an: tumbleweed.popey.com | 16:25 |
| andylock1an | nice background | 16:26 |
| === andylock1an is now known as andylockran | ||
| JGJones | This keep going on and on and on in my head: oh moshi, you're so fine! you're so fine you blow my mind, HEY MOSHI! HEY MOSHI! | 16:31 |
| JGJones | Yes, my daughter have discovered the Moshi Monster music video on YouTube and is playing it. Over and over. I'm starting to wonder if I have a baseball bat somewhere for "essential repairs" to the speakers? | 16:32 |
| MartijnVdS | JGJones: Time for some iptabling on the router ;) | 16:36 |
| === andylockran is now known as andylockrans | ||
| andylockrans | ls | 16:37 |
| MartijnVdS | ls: Command not found | 16:37 |
| popey | . | 16:40 |
| popey | .. | 16:40 |
| popey | goat_porn | 16:40 |
| andylockrans | :) | 16:40 |
| popey | howdy howdy howdy | 16:41 |
| MartijnVdS | \o popey | 16:41 |
| === andylockrans is now known as andylockran | ||
| andylockran | oh.. dear | 16:41 |
| oimon | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison something's wrong here | 16:41 |
| oimon | why is nvidia so poor compared to amd here? | 16:42 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: you making bitcoins? | 16:42 |
| hamitron | amd tend to have more processing cores | 16:42 |
| JGJones | MartijnVdS, she'll just find another source. She always seem to manage it - a geek in the making :-) | 16:43 |
| Azelphur | oimon: it's an arch issue, nvidia is faster at floating point math, amd is faster at integer math | 16:43 |
| Azelphur | you can guess which is more useful for bitcoin | 16:43 |
| hamitron | nvidia is better for gaming though | 16:43 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 16:43 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: there shouldn't be that big a difference though | 16:43 |
| oimon | Azelphur: ^ | 16:43 |
| Azelphur | oimon: sure there is | 16:43 |
| andylockran | how long does it take to generate 0.01 coins? | 16:45 |
| andylockran | I've installed it on OSX and my balance is 0.00 | 16:45 |
| MartijnVdS | andylockran: it takes forever (for all intents and purposes) unless you join a mining group | 16:45 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 16:45 |
| oimon | why are so many people doing BC? | 16:45 |
| Azelphur | because it's profitable if you do it right | 16:45 |
| oimon | umm | 16:45 |
| gord | thats not the reason ;) | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | it's my reason :D | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | that and of course, it's damned fun | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg | 16:46 |
| gord | i think most people are doing it because its fun to set up, its an interesting technical challenge in both the hardware and software realm | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | I went in with the intention of making money + it's fun | 16:46 |
| * MartijnVdS might be strange, but I don't see the fun in it :) | 16:46 | |
| Azelphur | I'm doing both :) | 16:46 |
| gord | if your doing it to make money, there are easier ways | 16:46 |
| oimon | yeah, like begging | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | indeed, bitcoin mining isn't for the faint of heart | 16:46 |
| Azelphur | if you don't like building and tweaking, don't bother | 16:47 |
| oimon | it's a nonsense though really | 16:47 |
| oimon | how can cpu cycles wasted on generating numbers have value? | 16:47 |
| MartijnVdS | SHA-something might be safe now, but what if it's cracked (like MD5 and SHA1 before it) | 16:48 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: lol | 16:48 |
| gord | oimon, because its a limited resource | 16:48 |
| MartijnVdS | same with ECC | 16:48 |
| Azelphur | oimon: supply and demand | 16:48 |
| oimon | but it's not real | 16:48 |
| oimon | why would anyone want it? | 16:48 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: neither is normal money | 16:48 |
| Azelphur | oimon: it's as real as any other currency is | 16:49 |
| gord | oimon, coins are just metal, notes are just paper | 16:49 |
| oimon | yes, money is real | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | oimon: so if I print a qrcode to a bitcoin on a piece of paper is the bitcoin real? | 16:49 |
| oimon | notes are a promise | 16:49 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: not anymore | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | oimon: bitcoin are very lucrative for buyers, lots of people are buying them as investment, also as a safe place to store money without worry about it being frozen or stolen by authorities | 16:50 |
| Azelphur | the pirate party for example have all their funds in bitcoin now | 16:50 |
| oimon | on your 1st point...as an investment .. | 16:50 |
| MartijnVdS | But can I buy bread for bitcoins? | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: yes | 16:51 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: Not at my local baker's | 16:51 |
| oimon | it's not legal tender, no | 16:51 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: My supermarket doesn't want bitcoins | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: that's like saying you can't buy bread at your local bakers with US dollars | 16:51 |
| oimon | it's an internet bubble | 16:51 |
| gord | oimon, put simply, bitcoins have a value because people are willing to buy them, to exchange local currency in some form, or trade something, for them. which is no different from any other currency | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: bitcoin is an internet currency, you buy shit off the internet with it. | 16:51 |
| oimon | Azelphur: only among people willing to accept the imaginary currency | 16:52 |
| gord | oimon, it may well be :) it may well fall apart tomorrow, but so might our own currency | 16:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: except nobody accepts it, except private torrent sites (piracy anyone), pirate parties, child porn rings, etc. | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: wrong, huge amounts of companies accept it now. | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: you can get your bread from the consumables section, I'd guess :) | 16:53 |
| diplo | They reckon that the porn industry is going to pick up on bitcoin soon don't they | 16:54 |
| diplo | As it's a anonymous payment as such | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | indeed, it's lucrative to a lot of people for a lot of reasons | 16:54 |
| * MooDoo goes to the net to see what bitcoin is | 16:54 | |
| MartijnVdS | I think it's going to be as niche as PGP/GPG | 16:54 |
| MartijnVdS | Only geeks use it | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: *Shrug* maybe | 16:54 |
| MartijnVdS | (and people with "special interest") | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | at the end of the day I don't care I got a free supercomputer. | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | or nearly free, anyway. | 16:55 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: why not use it to do protein folding then? :) | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | because protein folding won't pay the power bill | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | (unfortunately) | 16:55 |
| oimon | BTC is as much a currency as trading pokemon cards | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | oimon: pokemon cards have (had) value | 16:55 |
| oimon | how much £ in power does it take to mine £ in BTC | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | I sold a bunch of them back when I was a kid :p | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | oimon: look on the mining hardware page, it shows mhash/j figures, you can calculate it from that | 16:56 |
| oimon | Azelphur: it was a perceived value created by temporary demand | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | if it is I don't mind, I already made my money :D | 16:56 |
| oimon | we'll laugh about it in 2 yrs | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | I won't, I'll be like "bitcoin was awesome" | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | "I got a free supercomputer" | 16:57 |
| gord | we may do oimon, or we may all look like morons for not getting in on that | 16:57 |
| Azelphur | lol | 16:57 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 16:57 |
| oimon | i'm happy to be the moron | 16:57 |
| gord | thats fine | 16:57 |
| oimon | especially with 150-node HPC clusters at my disposal | 16:57 |
| popey | good luck mining on those | 16:57 |
| Azelphur | lol | 16:58 |
| oimon | they have GPU processing units too | 16:58 |
| Azelphur | I bet they are nvidia | 16:58 |
| oimon | is mining windows only then? | 16:58 |
| Azelphur | oimon: hell no | 16:58 |
| Azelphur | oimon: my mining cluster is ubuntu server netbooted | 16:58 |
| gord | i wonder if it would make more sense to mine on ps3's. those cell chips are really quite quick | 16:59 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: did you get it to work then? :) | 16:59 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: as in, properly | 16:59 |
| gord | and ps3's are about as expensive as a gpu | 16:59 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: yep | 17:00 |
| Azelphur | gord: it doesn't | 17:00 |
| andylockran | Cost of machines + electricity > generated bitcoin value ? | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | andylockran: by far | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | I mean, by far on the profit side :p | 17:02 |
| Azelphur | I havn't had my rig for a month and it's nearly paid for itself | 17:02 |
| andylockran | Azelphur: how many bitcoins do you have? | 17:03 |
| oimon | Azelphur: how much £ have you converted then? | 17:03 |
| Azelphur | oimon: £1400 | 17:03 |
| Azelphur | andylockran: 18.88 + 100 NC | 17:03 |
| popey | Azelphur: do you do pooled mining? | 17:03 |
| Azelphur | I had a few days of downtime :( | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | popey: I did, I've decided to stop pool mining now though | 17:04 |
| popey | oh? | 17:04 |
| popey | have you actually found any without pooling? | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | popey: BTCmine was nice, then they enforced a 2% fee, so then I switched to btcguild which had lots of rejected shares, so switched to eligius which wasn't bad but also charges a fee and takes tx fees | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | I've found blocks while in a pool | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | but I havn't solo mined bitcoin yet | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | I'm mining namecoin atm | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | I mined like £30 worth of namecoin last night, but I was extremely unlucky on the solo :( | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | I only got 100, if averages had held true I should have had something like 1000 | 17:07 |
| Azelphur | still hoping that I get lucky a couple times before difficulty hikes :p | 17:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: isn't it hiking already? | 17:08 |
| popey | it hikes periodically | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: well, yes, but faster and faster | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: it hikes in a matter of hours | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | and yay, just found another block ^_^ | 17:09 |
| popey | which card was it again? | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | 8x5870 for me | 17:09 |
| popey | ATI sommat | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | popey: the one on the left | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | my next rigs might be 5970's though if I can get a decent price | 17:09 |
| MartijnVdS | What's the current block count? | 17:10 |
| Azelphur | on namecoin? 12063 | 17:10 |
| MartijnVdS | No normal bc | 17:11 |
| Azelphur | 130552 | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, I'm a few behind then | 17:11 |
| popey | does it matter how much RAM the card has? | 17:11 |
| popey | I guess not | 17:11 |
| Azelphur | popey: not at all | 17:12 |
| Azelphur | popey: and you can underclock the memory for lower power / heat :p | 17:12 |
| MartijnVdS | I have >2k confirmations for my single transaction now | 17:14 |
| andylockran | how do you get teh rcpusername/password? | 17:17 |
| Azelphur | andylockran: are you aiming at pool or solo | 17:22 |
| andylockran | Azelphur: I'll ride solo I think :) | 17:22 |
| Azelphur | andylockran: what gpu? | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | (s)?) | 17:23 |
| andylockran | Azelphur: nvidia 7900 | 17:23 |
| andylockran | not a new one :s | 17:23 |
| andylockran | or a recent one | 17:23 |
| andylockran | is that a bad idea? | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | very bad idea | 17:23 |
| andylockran | So find a pool? | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | you can't even mine on a 7900 | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | it doesn't support OpenCL | 17:23 |
| andylockran | ah, ok | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | 8 series+ only | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | and using anything that low will net you a higher power bill than profit | 17:24 |
| andylockran | what about an ion :p | 17:24 |
| Azelphur | nvidia is very difficult to make a profit off | 17:24 |
| andylockran | Azelphur: other machine is a MacBookPRo | 17:24 |
| Azelphur | only the really high end nvidias actually have a semi-decent hash rate | 17:25 |
| Azelphur | but even the high end ones like the GTX590 pale in comparison to a budget ATI card eg the 5870 | 17:25 |
| Azelphur | check out https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison | 17:25 |
| andylockran | 6490M on tha tpage | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | the 6990x3 is OMG | 17:26 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: a little over half what my setup does :) | 17:26 |
| Azelphur | only, the initial cost is probably the same as me :p | 17:27 |
| andylockran | Azelphur: how much did you invest? | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | £2000 | 17:27 |
| * MartijnVdS has a ... looking up.. | 17:27 | |
| andylockran | Azelphur: and you've already made your money back? | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | andylockran: nearly | 17:28 |
| andylockran | I'm interested - I know some retailers got done in the early 90s for creating a virtual currency.. I know very little about it though. | 17:28 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* if it goes pop I've already won as I say | 17:28 |
| Azelphur | the risk is pretty much over for me now | 17:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I have a single ATI 5570 | 17:29 |
| MartijnVdS | 102 Mhash/s / 1.46 Mhash/J | 17:29 |
| MartijnVdS | apparently.. | 17:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ah only half.. the 102 one is overclocked | 17:30 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 17:31 |
| Azelphur | use http://bitcoinx.com/profit/index.php for your calculations, make sure your not making a loss with your power requirements | 17:31 |
| Azelphur | and if your average generation time is more than 10 days it's probably time to pool mine (I'd recommend eligius) | 17:31 |
| Azelphur | time for me to go cook for the family, /wave | 17:32 |
| Core_UK | Were does VirtualBox keep its VHDs? | 17:47 |
| popey | Core_UK: where you put them ☺ | 17:52 |
| Core_UK | they were hidden popey | 17:52 |
| popey | sometimes ~/.VirtualBox ? | 17:52 |
| Core_UK | yeah :) | 17:52 |
| Core_UK | silly me | 17:52 |
| Core_UK | what do you reckon is the MINIMUM ram I can use on a wikimedia LAMP server intended for a <5 users? | 17:53 |
| Core_UK | 64mb pushing it too far? | 17:53 |
| * popey shrugs | 17:53 | |
| Core_UK | ok :) | 17:53 |
| MartijnVdS | That sounds a lot like "what happened when you tried" ;) | 17:59 |
| Core_UK | MartijnVdS: i am trying 64mg | 18:03 |
| hamitron | MartijnVdS: I got 70 MH/s on a standard clocked 5570 | 18:06 |
| hamitron | Core_UK: I reckon it can be done | 18:07 |
| Core_UK | hamitron: it works fine so far | 18:08 |
| Core_UK | gonna try adding some content and see what happens | 18:08 |
| hamitron | LAMP works fine on 32Mb memory | 18:08 |
| Core_UK | damn if you would have told me that :P | 18:09 |
| hamitron | I have it running on 16Mb with the 2.4 kernel | 18:09 |
| hamitron | ;) | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | lol | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | my very first PC was 16 mgs | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | MBs* | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | happy days | 18:09 |
| hamitron | it just so happens, it is my first PC too :) | 18:10 |
| hamitron | I reckon I've had my moneys worth out of it | 18:10 |
| Core_UK | you mean | 18:10 |
| Core_UK | you STILL have it | 18:10 |
| Core_UK | ROFL | 18:10 |
| Core_UK | that is epic | 18:10 |
| hamitron | yeh, p120 cpu | 18:11 |
| Core_UK | damn | 18:11 |
| Core_UK | i think mine was a p120 or something, overdrive or whatever they called it | 18:11 |
| hamitron | if I code something and it works well on it, I know it doesn't take too many resources | 18:11 |
| popey | my first pc was an 8MHz 8088 PC. | 18:12 |
| popey | Epson! | 18:12 |
| Core_UK | ok | 18:12 |
| hamitron | I really want something that old :/ | 18:12 |
| Core_UK | that was WELL before my time lol | 18:12 |
| popey | It had a MDA video card | 18:13 |
| popey | _no_ graphics | 18:13 |
| popey | I want a VT101 | 18:13 |
| hamitron | I've sold all the 486 I had, but now regreting it | 18:13 |
| popey | I still have one 368 | 18:13 |
| hamitron | :-o | 18:13 |
| popey | actually, no, 286 | 18:13 |
| hamitron | wanna sell me it? | 18:13 |
| hamitron | :D | 18:14 |
| Core_UK | I am trying with 8MB RAM | 18:14 |
| Core_UK | awww "error: the initrd is too big." | 18:14 |
| popey | Toshiba 1910CS laptop | 18:14 |
| popey | http://www.toshiba-europe.com/bv/computers/products/notebooks/t1910cs/index.shtm | 18:15 |
| popey | quality website | 18:15 |
| popey | oh, 486 | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | > he new Microsoft BallPoint® V 2.0 with QuickPort™ is the ideal mouse when you're on the move | 18:15 |
| popey | "graphics accelerator" | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: back when that meant 2d acceleration :) | 18:16 |
| hamitron | 486 is too powerful for what I want :/ | 18:16 |
| popey | heh | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | hamitron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8008 ? | 18:16 |
| hamitron | anyways, food is ready, so bbl o/ | 18:16 |
| popey | I loved my IBM Model 50Z | 18:16 |
| popey | used to play Links Golf on that | 18:16 |
| hamitron | I want a 286 ideally | 18:16 |
| popey | http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_50z/ | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | hamitron: for what? :) | 18:16 |
| popey | happy days | 18:17 |
| popey | that is a 286 | 18:17 |
| hamitron | the minimum to run minix 2.0 | 18:17 |
| hamitron | ttyl o/ | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: with a 486 upgrade? nice :) | 18:17 |
| popey | haha | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | I sort of skipped the 286/386 era.. went straight from 8088 to 486DX33 | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | my dad then gave me a 386DX40 | 18:18 |
| Core_UK | the place where windows go when minimised | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | what is that called? | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | "the bar on the left" | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | taskbar? | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | haha | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | my is on the bottom :P | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | mine* | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Core_UK: ah, old Ubuntu? | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | 11.04 classic | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, old ubuntu -- "classic" :) | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | I want to google something | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | but do not know how to phrase it | 18:25 |
| Core_UK | i want to move the vbox icon from my 'windowbar?' into the notification area | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Core_UK: That's not possible unless the app has a feature for it | 18:27 |
| Core_UK | :( | 18:27 |
| Core_UK | do you know the name of what I am refering to though? | 18:27 |
| MartijnVdS | task bar and notification area | 18:27 |
| Core_UK | i was right :D | 18:28 |
| Core_UK | thank you | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | well it's the task list applet really | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | on the bottom panel :) | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | but people call it the taskbar anyway | 18:28 |
| Core_UK | there is an alltray in the repo | 18:31 |
| Core_UK | seems to have bad reviews though | 18:31 |
| JGJones | Hmm hamitron if you're after OLD computers...I have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4 to sell.... | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | JGJones: don't tell HazRPG :) | 18:39 |
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| JGJones | MartijnVdS, I'm selling it so of course I'm telling! :D | 18:43 |
| JGJones | No idea if it works come to think of it...I've not gotten around to plugging it in so I should do that. | 18:43 |
| hamitron | JGJones: afraid I have no use for a Z80 cpu | 18:56 |
| hamitron | :/ | 18:56 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: ^_^ | 18:56 |
| diplo- | evening all | 19:13 |
| HazRPG | download fest was awesome ;D | 19:19 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andrew] Papyrus Feed Reader Mockup - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/papyrus-feed-reader-mockup/ | 19:31 |
| Core_UK | any linux gaming fans in today? :) | 19:49 |
| Azelphur | yep | 19:50 |
| * hamitron is a gaming fan, but Azelphur is more a linux gamers | 19:50 | |
| hamitron | and he lives \o/ | 19:50 |
| Core_UK | meeting tomorrow | 19:51 |
| Core_UK | they trying to start up the group again | 19:51 |
| Azelphur | group? | 19:51 |
| Core_UK | ubuntu gaming | 19:51 |
| Azelphur | fun | 19:52 |
| hamitron | what does that entail? | 19:52 |
| Core_UK | dunno | 19:52 |
| * BigRedS can think of a way of finding out | 19:53 | |
| BigRedS | :) | 19:53 |
| Core_UK | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2011-06-14 | 19:53 |
| Core_UK | I think a website would be cool | 19:53 |
| Core_UK | like | 19:53 |
| Core_UK | xbox live for ubuntu | 19:53 |
| Core_UK | play each other at games, post your scores with other gamers etc | 19:54 |
| Core_UK | no? okay... | 19:54 |
| hamitron | dunno | 19:55 |
| hamitron | a common place to talk about what works is good for me | 19:55 |
| hamitron | :) | 19:55 |
| Core_UK | you mean as in wine? | 19:56 |
| hamitron | anything | 19:56 |
| Core_UK | wine is for freedom haterzzz! | 19:56 |
| hamitron | just games | 19:56 |
| Core_UK | yeah defo | 19:56 |
| hamitron | I have nothing against closed source though | 19:56 |
| hamitron | :) | 19:56 |
| Core_UK | thats cos your a freedom haterz y0 | 19:57 |
| hamitron | just want those offering it, to offer it in a format I can use | 19:57 |
| Core_UK | yeah defo | 19:57 |
| hamitron | hate is a strong word :/ | 19:57 |
| Core_UK | nah its not ask richard :) | 19:57 |
| Core_UK | mr stallman | 19:57 |
| Core_UK | i was just jesting though :D | 19:57 |
| JGJones | bah Opera might be closed source but it's still goddamn awesome - they follow web standards after all. | 19:58 |
| Core_UK | I think closed source is okay while it is small | 19:58 |
| hamitron | I guess there are different ways to look at it | 19:59 |
| Core_UK | aka not microsoft google etc :) | 19:59 |
| hamitron | as a user I like open source | 19:59 |
| hamitron | :) | 19:59 |
| hamitron | but if I develop something, I may not want to give my work away | 19:59 |
| hamitron | so can see it from both sides | 20:00 |
| Core_UK | indeed | 20:00 |
| JGJones | I always find it daft that some people think that because I use open source I won't pay for software. Pure garbage. | 20:00 |
| Core_UK | free = libre | 20:00 |
| hamitron | JGJones: yeh | 20:00 |
| Core_UK | people confuse free as in freedom | 20:00 |
| Core_UK | as there is no word for free in the sense of freedom in english >< | 20:01 |
| hamitron | I see anything where I don't have to pay, as free ;) | 20:01 |
| Core_UK | indeed | 20:01 |
| Core_UK | and the confusion begins | 20:01 |
| Core_UK | its libre software not free software | 20:01 |
| daubers | lo | 20:02 |
| Core_UK | we should ask oxford to introduce libre into the english language :P | 20:02 |
| Core_UK | eening daubers | 20:02 |
| hamitron | i confess, I choose good software over libre :/ | 20:02 |
| hamitron | but that is why I like linux, it is good | 20:02 |
| daubers | I tend to use whatever works best most of the time | 20:02 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:02 |
| hamitron | yeh | 20:03 |
| Core_UK | me too | 20:03 |
| Core_UK | with a baise towards libre | 20:03 |
| * AlanBell tends to talk about software freedom | 20:03 | |
| Azelphur | (19:27:39) hamitron: I'm starting to hate linux | 20:04 |
| * Azelphur run | 20:04 | |
| Azelphur | s | 20:04 |
| Core_UK | libre i think is most important with tools (software as a tool) and less important in other area's, such as gaming, | 20:04 |
| hamitron | I hate everything | 20:04 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 20:04 |
| hamitron | linux is just the most good atm | 20:04 |
| hamitron | ;) | 20:04 |
| Core_UK | hamitron: you need ethics training freedom hater | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:05 |
| daubers | Core_UK: Ah, the irony in hypocrasy | 20:05 |
| Core_UK | ha ha | 20:05 |
| hamitron | if I ever invent something that will make me millions, I would take the millions :/ | 20:06 |
| daubers | hamitron: I would as long as it didn't endanger peoples lives | 20:06 |
| hamitron | please forgive me ;) | 20:06 |
| hamitron | daubers: there are a few things that would make me think it through ofc | 20:06 |
| Core_UK | are we alive without freedom? | 20:07 |
| Core_UK | i am only jesting by the way I am not a free software zealot don't worry :) | 20:07 |
| * hamitron checks his pulse | 20:08 | |
| hamitron | yes :D | 20:08 |
| * AlanBell is working on a presentation that includes the 4 freedoms | 20:08 | |
| Core_UK | for what purpose AlanBell ? | 20:08 |
| Daviey | AlanBell: oh no. | 20:08 |
| Core_UK | Richard Stallman will love you in heaven :) | 20:09 |
| hamitron | poor AlanBell | 20:09 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:09 |
| Core_UK | : | 20:09 |
| Core_UK | lol | 20:09 |
| jacobw | someone did a presentation about the reform of copyright laws in the UK and how it would affect free software at the LUG i attend last time i was there | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | presentation is for this tomorrow http://www.smartgovlive.com/ | 20:15 |
| jacobw | it seems that policy makers still don't understand the information age | 20:16 |
| AlanBell | not entirely true :0 | 20:16 |
| jacobw | how so? i suppose i shouldn't generalise | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | it is a more complicated picture than that | 20:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | jacobw: There is another presentation on copyright and FOSS on Wednesday evening in London: http://www.theiet.org/local/uk/london/central-Open-source-software.cfm | 20:18 |
| jacobw | there must :) | 20:19 |
| * hamitron doesn't worry about the law part of stuff | 20:21 | |
| Core_UK | :0 | 20:26 |
| hamitron | Core_UK: I'm big on using something as it was intended to be used as, not worrying about the fine print of the law | 20:30 |
| Core_UK | I'm big on using stuff as I feel it was intended :P | 20:31 |
| hamitron | not just ignoring all terms the software is released under | 20:31 |
| hamitron | yeh | 20:31 |
| Core_UK | and ignoring the law | 20:31 |
| Core_UK | i mean | 20:31 |
| Core_UK | not really, of course | 20:31 |
| hamitron | well, I dont like breaking copyright | 20:32 |
| Core_UK | depends | 20:32 |
| hamitron | but I wouldn't use a loophole in some license, to use it in a way the author didn't want | 20:32 |
| Core_UK | depends if it is the author i am dealing with, or a massive multinational that misuses the author... | 20:33 |
| Core_UK | lot to consider | 20:33 |
| hamitron | for example, I wouldn't pirate MS Windows | 20:33 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:33 |
| Core_UK | i dont pirate but i have no objections to it in some scenarios | 20:33 |
| hamitron | as much as I hate some of the things MS have gone about things in the past, I wouldn't pirate it, I'd choose to not use it if I felt strongly enough | 20:33 |
| hamitron | no software is important enough for me to do without | 20:34 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:34 |
| jacobw | stick to debian/ubuntu, the people who make policy have thought about these things so you don't have to :) | 20:35 |
| Core_UK | well now no | 20:35 |
| BigRedS | there's a bit of a difference between Debian's and Ubuntu's, er, policy there | 20:35 |
| Core_UK | KFC or McDonolds? | 20:35 |
| Core_UK | ok wrong chat sorry :P | 20:35 |
| BigRedS | haha | 20:36 |
| BigRedS | I was trying to make that analogy fit :) | 20:36 |
| jacobw | that's true, i was more thinking of debian when i said that. | 20:36 |
| Core_UK | rofl | 20:36 |
| Core_UK | debian are so cool | 20:36 |
| hamitron | debiaan = freedom, ubuntu = profit? | 20:36 |
| hamitron | ;) | 20:36 |
| Core_UK | for geeks | 20:36 |
| Core_UK | debian = bling | 20:36 |
| BigRedS | jacobw: yeah, debian doesn't do the "your system's too free, have an NVidia driver" thing :) | 20:36 |
| BigRedS | nah. Debian's stuck to the ideal of making the best OS they can according to Debian's definition of 'best'. Ubuntu's aiming for popular. | 20:37 |
| jacobw | i don't think ubuntu are doing anything wrong, its just a different approach to computing. | 20:37 |
| jacobw | people don't like change :| whether its unity or sudo or whatever. | 20:38 |
| hamitron | I'm against boycotting the nvidia drivers..... I paid for a card and expect them to provide me a driver for the money ;) | 20:38 |
| BigRedS | haha | 20:38 |
| BigRedS | wow. the stories are true. rpm is _really_ slow | 20:39 |
| hamitron | sudo = 5 extra chars to type | 20:39 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:39 |
| BigRedS | for each command | 20:39 |
| hamitron | yeh | 20:39 |
| hamitron | haha | 20:39 |
| hamitron | I don't like to sound lazy | 20:39 |
| hamitron | but it makes a difference | 20:39 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 20:39 |
| BigRedS | why not? Laziness is a virtue | 20:40 |
| * hamitron has mastered it | 20:40 | |
| hamitron | I never saw what was wrong with su -c | 20:41 |
| jacobw | its true, rpm sucks. | 20:41 |
| hamitron | I found fedora rather fresh last time I tried it | 20:41 |
| jacobw | well, apart from having to enter you password for each command.. | 20:41 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I'd head the stories but I've been pretty good at avoiding it for a while | 20:41 |
| Core_UK | have not used rpm since mandrake | 20:41 |
| hamitron | jacobw: then I use on -c | 20:41 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:41 |
| hamitron | last time I used rpm on commandline was in slackware | 20:42 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:42 |
| hamitron | with the old nvidia driver | 20:42 |
| hamitron | does suse still use rpm? | 20:43 |
| jacobw | yeah | 20:43 |
| jacobw | they have 'zypper' now though | 20:44 |
| jacobw | which is like yum but good | 20:44 |
| hamitron | yum is easier to spell | 20:44 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: ping | 20:44 |
| hamitron | reminds me | 20:44 |
| hamitron | need coffee and cake | 20:44 |
| hamitron | brb | 20:45 |
| jacobw | hmm, cake. | 20:46 |
| hamitron | I have to wait | 20:47 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:47 |
| hamitron | cooker isn't free | 20:47 |
| * hamitron sighs | 20:48 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If you've been following the Mark Taylor/Computercentre story here's a nice take: http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/173673/two-faces-uk-open-source | 20:51 |
| jacobw | i can't stop thinking about cake now :( | 20:53 |
| hamitron | me neither | 20:55 |
| hamitron | :D | 20:55 |
| hamitron | time for some DIRT 3 I think | 20:55 |
| hamitron | bbl o/ | 20:55 |
| AlanBell | o/ czajkowski | 21:00 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: ca you pop into -ie | 21:02 |
| jacobw | :o rally games are great | 21:03 |
| * jacobw was a big fan of vrally back in the day | 21:03 | |
| JGJones | hamitron, I don't like yum. | 21:05 |
| JGJones | hamitron, it make me hungry. | 21:05 |
| JGJones | :) | 21:05 |
| JGJones | btw if you're doing a lot of sudo stuff - I tend to use sudo -s | 21:06 |
| JGJones | that's to hamitron btw. | 21:06 |
| === OmNomDeBonBon is now known as GentileBen | ||
| hamitron | JGJones: you have just won me over to sudo, ty | 21:36 |
| hamitron | jacobw: any racing game :D | 21:37 |
| hamitron | I do prefer wheel to wheel racing | 21:37 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:37 |
| Pendulum | hamitron: what about wheelchair racing? ;-) | 21:38 |
| Pendulum | that's someone that should be done with the Wii or Kinect | 21:39 |
| Pendulum | a wheelchair racing simulator game! | 21:39 |
| hamitron | that could be kind of cool | 21:39 |
| hamitron | I remember racing wheel chairs at school | 21:40 |
| Pendulum | one of my mates and I once got yelled at in an IKEA for racing our wheelchairs | 21:40 |
| hamitron | haha | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | Hah | 21:40 |
| Pendulum | she was beating me in a crappy store wheelchair too :( | 21:40 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:40 |
| hamitron | well, there is a time and place! | 21:41 |
| Pendulum | (compared to my superlight-weight made for me in my chair) | 21:41 |
| hamitron | like the car park? ;) | 21:41 |
| hamitron | you could have fatigue and stuff | 21:41 |
| Pendulum | yeah, but it was a 'Midnight Madness' event all for uni students. And there was no one in front of us and we're both good enough with our chairs we wouldn't have hit anyone! | 21:41 |
| Pendulum | hamitron: I do. just it was a first sign at one point that things had progressed for me because I should have been much faster | 21:42 |
| hamitron | sorry, I was thinking about a game | 21:42 |
| Pendulum | (this was almost 4 years ago. these days I wouldn't even try to beat her) | 21:42 |
| hamitron | :D | 21:42 |
| Pendulum | :) | 21:42 |
| === dominic_ is now known as domjohnson | ||
| Pendulum | actually, that would be cool | 21:42 |
| Pendulum | I wonder if it'd be a way to get new wheelchair users more used to the motion... | 21:43 |
| hamitron | twin accelerator | 21:43 |
| hamitron | and twin brake | 21:43 |
| hamitron | and "rush mode" | 21:43 |
| Pendulum | not to mention get all of you unlucky enough not to need wheelchairs an example of what it's like ;-) | 21:43 |
| Pendulum | but without all the crappy bits | 21:44 |
| hamitron | yeh | 21:44 |
| hamitron | not gonna be realistic though | 21:44 |
| jacobw | hamitron: :D i love racing games too. | 21:44 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:44 |
| hamitron | but it could be fun | 21:44 |
| Pendulum | crappy bits = social barriers like people not bothering with installing ramps | 21:44 |
| jacobw | :( | 21:45 |
| hamitron | Pendulum: you don't think some people may get upset with such a game? | 21:45 |
| Pendulum | hamitron: some people might, but I suspect they'd be in the minority | 21:45 |
| * Pendulum asks twitter what they think | 21:46 | |
| diplo- | Any of you guys use S3 for storage/backup ? | 21:46 |
| Pendulum | it could be an idea that only sounds good to me because I have a fever :P | 21:46 |
| hamitron | I'm sure such a game could be fun to play | 21:47 |
| hamitron | diplo: out of my budget :) | 21:48 |
| diplo- | Well I just looked, doesn't seem that expensive or I am reading it wrong | 21:49 |
| hamitron | I don't think it is, I'm just too cheap | 21:49 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:49 |
| diplo- | Why I was asking to see if others used it | 21:50 |
| jacobw | Streak Hoverboard Racing was a great game :) | 21:50 |
| hamitron | jacobw: I never played it | 21:51 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:51 |
| hamitron | once upon a time I wanted to buy every racing game I could find | 21:51 |
| hamitron | but all this DRM on new games has put me off | 21:51 |
| hamitron | I used to buy everything I could, then copy to cdr for my cd wallet | 21:52 |
| hamitron | so originals are kept nice | 21:52 |
| hamitron | now I begrudge paying for software, because you can be sure the activation servers won't be there for ever, and I will want them to always work | 21:53 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:53 |
| gord | yup, just typed amazon.co.uk in to amazon.co.uk. i'm a moron | 21:57 |
| jacobw | yeah, this is why i don't play games any more | 21:57 |
| jacobw | philosphical objections :( | 21:58 |
| jacobw | yo gord, i heard you like amazon.co.uk so i put some amazon.co.uk in amazon.co.uk :P | 21:58 |
| hamitron | how mcuh do they have it for? | 22:00 |
| jacobw | hehe | 22:00 |
| hamitron | and does it qualify for super saver delivery? ;/ | 22:00 |
| hamitron | I hate paying delivery charges | 22:00 |
| jacobw | perhaps people have been overcomplicating how to value amazon.. | 22:00 |
| gord | i have amazon prime :) works out well if you buy lots of useless stuff like me | 22:01 |
| jacobw | i used to have that, but the trial ran out :( | 22:02 |
| dutchie | i had the trial | 22:03 |
| dutchie | amazon don't seem to have noticed that it ought to have run ou t | 22:03 |
| dutchie | out | 22:03 |
| dutchie | so :) | 22:03 |
| jacobw | :D | 22:04 |
| hamitron | prime? | 22:04 |
| dutchie | yeah | 22:04 |
| hamitron | is that the 1 click thing? | 22:04 |
| jacobw | free one day delivery | 22:05 |
| hamitron | ah, nice | 22:05 |
| jacobw | sort of.. they charge you just before you remember to cancel the tra | 22:05 |
| jacobw | trial | 22:05 |
| hamitron | i not used amazon since I pre-ordererd F1 2010 and they ripped me off | 22:05 |
| dutchie | hmm, they may have charged me then | 22:05 |
| dutchie | oh well | 22:06 |
| jacobw | its not cheap, its about £40 | 22:06 |
| hamitron | for how long? :| | 22:06 |
| jacobw | i think itd supposed to be £40/year | 22:08 |
| jacobw | night | 22:14 |
| gord | amazon prime is cheep if you buy lots of stuff | 22:14 |
| gord | the way i figured out was i added up all the regular delivery fee's i was paying, turned out it was more than amazon prime is monthly, so now i'm paying less money and get one day delivery thrown in for free | 22:15 |
| hamitron | super saver! | 22:19 |
| hamitron | ;) | 22:19 |
| hamitron | an excuse to make me wait, to encourage me to pay them more :/ | 22:20 |
| michelle_ | I've got some good bargains pre-ordering books. For most other things, though, it ends up more expensive. I just tick "free delivery" and am happy to wait the extra few days. | 22:24 |
| michelle_ | I don't buy games any more because they don't install easily on Linux. I do still play Unreal Tournament 2004, because it came with a Linux installer on the original DVD. I'm getting my money out of that game. | 22:26 |
| BigRedS | I did that for a while | 22:28 |
| BigRedS | then valve made portal | 22:28 |
| BigRedS | 2 | 22:28 |
| BigRedS | and I caved in | 22:28 |
| michelle_ | I am considering Portal 2 ... and also Duke Nukem. Have so far resisted. | 22:28 |
| BigRedS | I even found myself a 'wintendo' desktop background | 22:29 |
| michelle_ | ... mostly because I remember how much of a pain it is to install and maintain Windows. | 22:29 |
| gord | duke nukem is getting very bad reviews | 22:29 |
| gord | 3/10 and such | 22:29 |
| BigRedS | oh yeah, I got someone else to configure Windows for me | 22:30 |
| michelle_ | ... and I count maybe two or three years before it won't play on the future Windows releases. | 22:30 |
| michelle_ | That sucks for investment in a game. | 22:30 |
| BigRedS | gord: yeah, I'm hearing that the major (only?) good thing about it is that it's duke nukem forever | 22:30 |
| gord | BigRedS, there really isn't any quality of it you could deem good | 22:31 |
| michelle_ | Well .. we've waited ... "forever"... to get it!!! | 22:31 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/13/community-leadership-summit-2011-2/ | 22:31 |
| gord | ha, rebecca black's seminal "friday" video on youtube now costs $2.99 to view it, you get 72 hours of rental for that price | 22:32 |
| popey | bit late for that bandwagon | 22:33 |
| BigRedS | haha | 22:33 |
| BigRedS | bah. my run of conceiving of things, writing the code, and it Just Working has come to an abrupt end :( | 22:34 |
| gord | you would of thought they would of just thrown mandatory adverts on it like other annoying youtube videos | 22:34 |
| AlanBell | anyone want to point out spelling errors and such on http://libertus.co.uk/ | 23:06 |
| dutchie | AlanBell: some of the paras on the "Services" page should have full stops/semicolons instead of commas | 23:21 |
| dutchie | AlanBell: specifically "integration and customisation" and "hosting" | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | semis it is then | 23:23 |
| hamitron | I missed that | 23:24 |
| hamitron | >< | 23:24 |
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