[06:22] <kaushal> Hi
[06:23] <kaushal> I do diff orgfile newfile How do i apply entries in orgfile to newfile ?
[06:42] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/625658/
[08:27] <AlanBell> if people want to pile on to wiki-test.ubuntu.com and try and break it that would be great
[08:30] <DJones> AlanBell: I'm getting cannot find www.wiki-test.ubuntu.com, but worked in a fashion using http:// which asked me if I wanted to use http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/?
[08:30] <popey> DJones: why put www in front of it?
[08:31] <popey> Tip: Don't.
[08:31] <DJones> Heh, true
[08:34] <diplo> morning all
[08:38] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:38] <dogmatic69> could anyone point me to some tutorials on writing decent bash stuff?
[08:38] <dogmatic69> like making it show up in man etc
[08:40] <BigRedS_> tldp.org ?
[08:40] <BigRedS> To make it show up in man you need to write a man page and install it
[08:40] <BigRedS> which is a distinct kettle of fish
[08:40] <dogmatic69> k
[08:40] <dogmatic69> is that going overboard?
[08:41] <BigRedS> It depends
[08:41] <BigRedS> I've not written anything in bash that I could justify more than a --help for
[08:41] <dogmatic69> i am busy building a bunch of libs to make life easy
[08:41] <BigRedS> but more documentation is normally useful, as long as you manage to keep it good
[08:41] <dogmatic69> ye, maybe --help is all that is needed
[08:47] <ali1234> AlanBell: i tried to log in with launchpad openid and it just times out
[08:49] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:49] <DJones> ali1234: AlanBell Firt part of sign in works, but then has stopped after asking "Sign in to Ubuntu Wiki (Test)" with a waiting message, then also timed out
[08:49] <ali1234> yeah same here
[08:50] <AlanBell> reported
[09:47] <MooDoo> quiet in here
[09:48] <oimon> yep
[09:59] <jerome> All?
[09:59] <MooDoo> jerome: huh?
[10:01] <jerome> Moodoo: Wron channel :)
[10:01] <MooDoo> jerome: ah :)
[10:01] <jerome> s/n/g
[10:02]  * jerome should leave monday morning mode soon
[10:02] <MooDoo> jerome: i'll do that about 3pm this afternoon ;)
[10:03] <jerome> Yeah, at this time it'll be post lunch mode
[10:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:32] <popey> lo
[10:32] <diplo> morning brobostigon
[10:33] <selinuxium> Hi all   o/
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning popey diplo and selinuxium
[10:35] <diplo> popey, did you ever do a blog post on your Elec cost etc set up ?
[10:35] <diplo> Also, do you have any idea how much it costs a day/month or wat ever to run your HP mini server box ?
[10:35] <popey> i dont know the power of the hp box
[10:36] <popey> if you'd asked me friday I would have plugged it into the power meter
[10:36] <diplo> kk, will see if i can work it out some how
[10:36] <popey> but I'm not going to switch it off now ☺
[10:36] <diplo> :D
[10:36] <diplo> No worries, no rush.. if you ever do remember I'd appreciate it.
[10:36] <diplo> Being single now i really am watching pennies, but would love to have a server on 24/7 at home
[10:36] <diplo> But only got old towers atm
[10:37] <diplo> So want to have some idea on how much elec it will cost me
[10:37] <diplo> :)
[10:48] <AlanBell> something like £1/year/watt I believe
[10:48] <AlanBell> so if the box draws 30W then £30/year
[10:51] <diplo> Thanks AlanBell I had heard that
[10:51] <diplo> But I know my Dell TS105 pulls a hell of a lot more than that
[10:51] <diplo> I suppose i could look on HP's site and see if it offers any info
[11:03] <popey> diplo: also, mine is not a standard one
[11:03] <popey> diplo: mine has 5 disks in it
[11:03] <diplo> heh yeah I had read that
[11:03] <diplo> I want that many in mine eventually once I have some spare cash
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <diplo> morning
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: did you deal with your pci express card in the end?
[11:06] <popey> yes, it came with a smaller bracket
[11:06] <popey> installed fine
[11:07] <popey> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[11:07] <popey> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01)
[11:07] <popey> ☺
[11:11] <diplo> Oh you have added another card to allow more drives
[11:12] <DJones>  Does anybody know of a way of converting "20110613" to a normal date format in Excel
[11:12] <diplo> =DATEVALUE seems to spring to mind
[11:13] <diplo> just having a google now
[11:14] <DJones> datevalue seems to go the other way
[11:15] <diplo> yeah I was wrong :)
[11:15] <diplo> Been a while since I've used excel
[11:15] <DJones> seems a good place to start though, might give me a link to the right command though
[11:16] <diplo> =value(left(a2,3)&/
[11:16] <diplo> ozgrid.com
[11:16] <diplo> Seems to have a good explanation
[11:17] <DJones> Thanks, I'll have a look
[11:18] <popey> diplo: yes
[11:18] <popey> diplo: I have an external EDGE10 box with 4 bays
[11:19] <popey> and the cheapo onboard SATA interface wont show multiple drives in one enclosure
[11:19]  * czajkowski bangs her head against a wall dealing with companies/recruiters who dont mail back 
[11:19] <popey> so i added the pcie card to enable that
[11:20] <diplo> nice, really need to find myself some spare cash
[11:23]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski hello
[11:26]  * MooDoo says alright to davmor2 and prods czajkowski as well
[11:27] <popey> I should probably do something with the other 3 hp microservers
[11:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: Watcha Mucka
[11:28] <diplo> 3?¬?¬?¬?
[11:28] <diplo> Sell them off uber cheap to me
[11:28] <diplo> :)
[11:28] <diplo> 1*
[11:29] <popey> heh
[11:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: how you doing this fine day?
[11:29] <davmor2> popey: bitmining or better usage would be a cluster for mine craft you know it makes sense
[11:30] <popey> not sure the cpu has enough grunt for minecraft
[11:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: you confusing fine with miserable, frey and cold again?
[11:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've got man flu, it's a curse
[11:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: there, there, not down to too much alcohol at all then :)
[11:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: no not this time
[11:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: bummer dude hope you get well soon
[11:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: hopefully it's a 24 hour thing
[11:52] <daubers> Morning
[11:52] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[12:19] <oimon> http://www.boutiqueacademia.com/products/Ubuntu-Earrings.html
[12:19] <MooDoo> oimon: yeah saw them on pleias post
[12:20] <oimon> there's some great stuff on that site
[12:57] <BigRedS> I've an apache2 revers proxy which is returning an HTTP500 apparently without writing anything to the logs. Is this indicative of the proxied-to host returning an error? I'd expect that to be logged, too
[12:58] <davmor2> Morning daubers is this from your windows box?
[13:00] <BigRedS> hah. no it's indicative of my having not loaded mod_proxy_http
[14:09] <diplo> Anyone recognise this name Bruno Girin ?
[14:09] <diplo> I recognise it from some where Ubuntu related
[14:09] <popey> Yes
[14:10] <diplo> Just wanted to get in contact with him ref something he is writing for Shotwell :)
[14:10] <popey> he works / worked on shotwell
[14:10] <diplo> Want to test if he needs a tested
[14:10] <diplo> Ah!
[14:10] <diplo> :)
[14:10] <diplo> tester*
[14:10] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/brunogirin
[14:10] <DJones> diplo: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/brunogirin
[14:10]  * diplo follows and looks
[14:10] <diplo> ta
[14:10] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~brunogirin
[14:10] <ali1234> speaking of shotwell
[14:10] <popey> his gmail account is there
[14:11] <ali1234> so my monitor has a card reader in it
[14:11] <diplo> lol, I really don't know why i didn't check any of those ( maybe not linked in ) but i normally do .
[14:11] <diplo> Cheeers guys
[14:11] <ali1234> every time i turn it off then on again (every day) it reenumerates the card reader and then shotwell loads, because the card has photos on it
[14:11] <ali1234> it's really annoying
[14:11] <ali1234> i never said to automatically open stuff
[14:11] <popey> pull the card out?
[14:11] <ali1234> no
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: don't turn it off manually, use the automatic standby :)
[14:11] <ali1234> fix ubuntu
[14:13] <ali1234> i wish there was a way to turn off the monitor from software without having to wait for the timeout
[14:13] <hamitron> isn't there a lock screen button?
[14:14] <ali1234> yes, it just locks the screen, it does not turn off the monitor
[14:14] <hamitron> ah :)
[14:14] <hamitron> never played with such things much
[14:14] <ali1234> besides i don't use screenload or screensaver
[14:14] <ali1234> i just turn off the monitor
[14:15] <ali1234> it's much easier and it never happens accidentally while i am doing something
[14:15] <hamitron> yeh, same
[14:18] <wintellect> How do I query which pkg contains an installed app?
[14:20] <popey> dpkg -S `which <program>`
[14:20] <oimon> wintellect: apt-file search will search across all packages
[14:21] <wintellect> popey: oimon - thanks
[14:21] <czajkowski> c
[14:21] <czajkowski> grr
[14:21] <czajkowski> grr
[14:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wassup?
[14:22] <czajkowski> stupid keyboard
[14:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: not using dvorak or something silly are you? ;)
[14:22] <oimon> PEBCAK
[14:22] <czajkowski> nope
[14:22] <czajkowski> mini 9
[14:23] <MooDoo> ah little keyboard then
[14:23]  * BigRedS is incompatible with netbook keyboards
[14:24]  * hamitron upgrades BigRedS to something better
[14:24] <BigRedS> Nah, it's the netbook that needs upgrading!
[14:24] <hamitron> :D
[14:26] <daubers> davmor2: Yes
[14:26] <andylock1an> heya
[14:30] <gord> mini 9's :(
[14:30] <gord> hard enough to type on a 10
[14:32] <oimon> has anyone ever seen a zune IRL?
[14:35] <davmor2> daubers: wow I knew windows was slow I had no idea the lag would be that bad, /me waits another 4 hours for a reply
[14:36] <daubers> davmor2: :p I blame this "work" concept. Get's in the way of _everything_
[14:36] <davmor2> daubers: haha
[14:37] <gord> sometimes i swear, work gets in the way of work even
[14:37] <daubers> gord: Yes! I spent 3 days yesterday doing project management stuffabout project management :(
[14:38] <daubers> 3 days last week even
[14:38]  * daubers needs moar coffee
[14:38] <gord> was gonna say ;)
[14:38] <davmor2> gord: only when trying to work on things not directly related to work but are rewarded by work for working so hard on it, right?
[14:38] <daubers> doesn't help that it's just warm and muggy enough to make you sleepy today
[14:39] <gord> davmor2, its monday, i stopped reading what you said after the second work
[14:39] <davmor2> gord: haha
[14:39] <davmor2> work getting in the way again :D
[14:39] <andylock1an> :p
[14:41] <davmor2> gord: I got a second hand copy of dragon age 2 who ever said it was smaller lied :)  the map is but there are more quests and sub quests that the first with more downloadable ones if you get bored with the original game
[14:41] <gord> davmor2, i said its smaller, because it is :P
[14:42] <davmor2> gord: but the games bigger there are more places they just happen to be in one city rather than an entire continent
[14:43] <gord> davmor2, its way smaller, the main city is bigger than the other cities in da1, but that doesn't mean the game is bigger
[14:48] <davmor2> gord: I'm 50% of the way through it (ie quest 1 is complete) and I've only completed 18% of the game.  I think the issue is if you don't look for the extra elements you don't complete them
[14:48] <gord> davmor2, i did pretty much everything the game had to offer, still beat it in a week, made sure to do all the quests i could find
[14:49] <bigcalm> Ello peeps
[14:49] <davmor2> gord: did that include all the mail you get at your home?
[14:49] <gord> yup
[14:50] <gord> i mean, i had fun whilst i was doing all that. i would of stopped if i wasn't. but its not as big a game as da1. which makes sense, they made the entire thing in like a year
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Tame(ish) birds++ http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5828812586/in/photostream
[14:53] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: like it :)
[14:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: My brother keeps telling me they're almost as dumb as owls
[14:54] <daubers> But then he would :)
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: This bird's trainer is trying to get a proper crow, they're supposed to be a bit smarter
[14:56] <davmor2> gord: I noticed all the duplication of areas which didn't seem so apparent in DA1 and I hate the fact that you can't get to some areas at all
[14:56] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/prjmellors/5828829596/
[14:56] <gord> davmor2, which area's can't you get to?
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: cool]
[14:57] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: not the original, it's a scanned version of the one i did
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Still a cool pic :)
[14:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Apparently. He deals with birds of pray more often than not
[14:58] <davmor2> gord: on the summit there is a cavern with a door the one end and a magic shield the other nothing opens either door,  there were a lot of places where you went in but there were no way to get through to places on the map
[14:59] <gord> davmor2, right, those places are because of duplicating the area's. each time you go into a cave or whatever, it'll just use the same map but open different areas
[15:02] <davmor2> gord: yes which is a bit crap
[15:24] <MattJ> Ooouch :(
[15:24] <MattJ> I just discovered I've been hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[15:24] <MattJ> and that I have no backups for the past 2 weeks
[15:25] <MooDoo> MattJ: ouch....
[15:26] <popey> oops
[15:26] <popey> I had the same
[15:26] <popey> but spotted it sooner
[15:26] <selinuxium> erm... am I missing something... How do I map a windows drive in Unity?
[15:26] <MooDoo> selinuxium: use the command line ;)
[15:27] <daubers> selinuxium: Go into nautilus, hit ctrl+l then enter smb://blah blah blah :)
[15:27] <MattJ> popey: I'm accustomed to the cron emails being in my inbox every morning, I guess I've been thinking about too much other stuff the past couple of weeks to notice their absence until today
[15:28] <selinuxium> MooDoo, daubers So what happened to the GUI?
[15:28] <MattJ> and I won't complain too loudly, having messed up a security release of my own around the same time
[15:29] <daubers> selinuxium: The "Connect to Server" one?
[15:29] <selinuxium> daubers, yup
[15:30] <daubers> selinuxium: Go into nautilus, then it's in the file menu
[15:30] <daubers> selinuxium: I tend to use the ctrl+L method as it's quicker, and I do that about 10 times a day
[16:03] <MooDoo> popey: your tumbleweed page has caused great amusement in our office today :D
[16:04] <popey> heh
[16:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: it would still be better animated
[16:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: it is
[16:07] <gord> note to self rm -r *nux* may also delete lots of files with the word "linux" in them...
[16:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: tumbleweed goes accross the screen
[16:08] <davmor2> woo hoo popey when did that happen
[16:08] <davmor2> haha nice
[16:09] <popey> about a month ago
[16:11] <davmor2> popey: Yeah I think I looked at it but had forgotten as it hadn't appeared on here that much :)
[16:25] <andylock1an> url?
[16:25] <MooDoo> andylock1an: tumbleweed.popey.com
[16:26] <andylock1an> nice background
[16:31] <JGJones> This keep going on and on and on in my head: oh moshi, you're so fine! you're so fine you blow my mind, HEY MOSHI! HEY MOSHI!﻿
[16:32] <JGJones> Yes, my daughter have discovered the Moshi Monster music video on YouTube and is playing it. Over and over. I'm starting to wonder if I have a baseball bat somewhere for "essential repairs" to the speakers?
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: Time for some iptabling on the router ;)
[16:37] <andylockrans> ls
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> ls: Command not found
[16:40] <popey> .
[16:40] <popey> ..
[16:40] <popey> goat_porn
[16:40] <andylockrans> :)
[16:41] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[16:41] <andylockran> oh.. dear
[16:41] <oimon> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison something's wrong here
[16:42] <oimon> why is nvidia so poor compared to amd here?
[16:42] <dogmatic69> oimon: you making bitcoins?
[16:42] <hamitron> amd tend to have more processing cores
[16:43] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, she'll just find another source. She always seem to manage it - a geek in the making :-)
[16:43] <Azelphur> oimon: it's an arch issue, nvidia is faster at floating point math, amd is faster at integer math
[16:43] <Azelphur> you can guess which is more useful for bitcoin
[16:43] <hamitron> nvidia is better for gaming though
[16:43] <Azelphur> ^
[16:43] <oimon> dogmatic69: there shouldn't be that big a difference though
[16:43] <oimon> Azelphur: ^
[16:43] <Azelphur> oimon: sure there is
[16:45] <andylockran> how long does it take to generate 0.01 coins?
[16:45] <andylockran> I've installed it on OSX and my balance is 0.00
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: it takes forever (for all intents and purposes) unless you join a mining group
[16:45] <Azelphur> ^
[16:45] <oimon> why are so many people doing BC?
[16:45] <Azelphur> because it's profitable if you do it right
[16:45] <oimon> umm
[16:46] <gord> thats not the reason ;)
[16:46] <Azelphur> it's my reason :D
[16:46] <Azelphur> that and of course, it's damned fun
[16:46] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg
[16:46] <gord> i think most people are doing it because its fun to set up, its an interesting technical challenge in both the hardware and software realm
[16:46] <Azelphur> I went in with the intention of making money + it's fun
[16:46]  * MartijnVdS might be strange, but I don't see the fun in it :)
[16:46] <Azelphur> I'm doing both :)
[16:46] <gord> if your doing it to make money, there are easier ways
[16:46] <oimon> yeah, like begging
[16:46] <Azelphur> indeed, bitcoin mining isn't for the faint of heart
[16:47] <Azelphur> if you don't like building and tweaking, don't bother
[16:47] <oimon> it's a nonsense though really
[16:47] <oimon> how can cpu cycles wasted on generating numbers have value?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> SHA-something might be safe now, but what if it's cracked (like MD5 and SHA1 before it)
[16:48] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: lol
[16:48] <gord> oimon, because its a limited resource
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> same with ECC
[16:48] <Azelphur> oimon: supply and demand
[16:48] <oimon> but it's not real
[16:48] <oimon> why would anyone want it?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: neither is normal money
[16:49] <Azelphur> oimon: it's as real as any other currency is
[16:49] <gord> oimon, coins are just metal, notes are just paper
[16:49] <oimon> yes, money is real
[16:49] <Azelphur> oimon: so if I print a qrcode to a bitcoin on a piece of paper is the bitcoin real?
[16:49] <oimon> notes are a promise
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> oimon: not anymore
[16:49] <Azelphur> ^
[16:50] <Azelphur> oimon: bitcoin are very lucrative for buyers, lots of people are buying them as investment, also as a safe place to store money without worry about it being frozen or stolen by authorities
[16:50] <Azelphur> the pirate party for example have all their funds in bitcoin now
[16:50] <oimon> on your 1st point...as an investment ..
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> But can I buy bread for bitcoins?
[16:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yes
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Not at my local baker's
[16:51] <oimon> it's not legal tender, no
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: My supermarket doesn't want bitcoins
[16:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's like saying you can't buy bread at your local bakers with US dollars
[16:51] <oimon> it's an internet bubble
[16:51] <gord> oimon, put simply, bitcoins have a value because people are willing to buy them, to exchange local currency in some form, or trade something, for them. which is no different from any other currency
[16:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: bitcoin is an internet currency, you buy shit off the internet with it.
[16:52] <oimon> Azelphur: only among people willing to accept the imaginary currency
[16:52] <gord> oimon, it may well be :) it may well fall apart tomorrow, but so might our own currency
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: except nobody accepts it, except private torrent sites (piracy anyone), pirate parties, child porn rings, etc.
[16:52] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: wrong, huge amounts of companies accept it now.
[16:52] <Azelphur> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
[16:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: you can get your bread from the consumables section, I'd guess :)
[16:54] <diplo> They reckon that the porn industry is going to pick up on bitcoin soon don't they
[16:54] <diplo> As it's a anonymous payment as such
[16:54] <Azelphur> indeed, it's lucrative to a lot of people for a lot of reasons
[16:54]  * MooDoo goes to the net to see what bitcoin is
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> I think it's going to be as niche as PGP/GPG
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> Only geeks use it
[16:54] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: *Shrug* maybe
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> (and people with "special interest")
[16:54] <Azelphur> at the end of the day I don't care I got a free supercomputer.
[16:55] <Azelphur> or nearly free, anyway.
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: why not use it to do protein folding then? :)
[16:55] <Azelphur> because protein folding won't pay the power bill
[16:55] <Azelphur> (unfortunately)
[16:55] <oimon> BTC is as much a currency as trading pokemon cards
[16:55] <Azelphur> oimon: pokemon cards have (had) value
[16:55] <oimon> how much £ in power does it take to mine £ in BTC
[16:55] <Azelphur> I sold a bunch of them back when I was a kid :p
[16:56] <Azelphur> oimon: look on the mining hardware page, it shows mhash/j figures, you can calculate it from that
[16:56] <oimon> Azelphur: it was a perceived value created by temporary demand
[16:56] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[16:56] <Azelphur> if it is I don't mind, I already made my money :D
[16:56] <oimon> we'll laugh about it in 2 yrs
[16:56] <Azelphur> I won't, I'll be like "bitcoin was awesome"
[16:57] <Azelphur> "I got a free supercomputer"
[16:57] <gord> we may do oimon, or we may all look like morons for not getting in on that
[16:57] <Azelphur> lol
[16:57] <Azelphur> ^
[16:57] <oimon> i'm happy to be the moron
[16:57] <gord> thats fine
[16:57] <oimon> especially with 150-node HPC clusters at my disposal
[16:57] <popey> good luck mining on those
[16:58] <Azelphur> lol
[16:58] <oimon> they have GPU processing units too
[16:58] <Azelphur> I bet they are nvidia
[16:58] <oimon> is mining windows only then?
[16:58] <Azelphur> oimon: hell no
[16:58] <Azelphur> oimon: my mining cluster is ubuntu server netbooted
[16:59] <gord> i wonder if it would make more sense to mine on ps3's. those cell chips are really quite quick
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: did you get it to work then? :)
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: as in, properly
[16:59] <gord> and ps3's are about as expensive as a gpu
[17:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yep
[17:00] <Azelphur> gord: it doesn't
[17:01] <andylockran> Cost of machines + electricity > generated bitcoin value ?
[17:01] <Azelphur> andylockran: by far
[17:02] <Azelphur> I mean, by far on the profit side :p
[17:02] <Azelphur> I havn't had my rig for a month and it's nearly paid for itself
[17:03] <andylockran> Azelphur: how many bitcoins do you have?
[17:03] <oimon> Azelphur: how much £ have you converted then?
[17:03] <Azelphur> oimon: £1400
[17:03] <Azelphur> andylockran: 18.88 + 100 NC
[17:03] <popey> Azelphur: do you do pooled mining?
[17:04] <Azelphur> I had a few days of downtime :(
[17:04] <Azelphur> popey: I did, I've decided to stop pool mining now though
[17:04] <popey> oh?
[17:04] <popey> have you actually found any without pooling?
[17:04] <Azelphur> popey: BTCmine was nice, then they enforced a 2% fee, so then I switched to btcguild which had lots of rejected shares, so switched to eligius which wasn't bad but also charges a fee and takes tx fees
[17:05] <Azelphur> I've found blocks while in a pool
[17:05] <Azelphur> but I havn't solo mined bitcoin yet
[17:05] <Azelphur> I'm mining namecoin atm
[17:06] <Azelphur> I mined like £30 worth of namecoin last night, but I was extremely unlucky on the solo :(
[17:07] <Azelphur> I only got 100, if averages had held true I should have had something like 1000
[17:07] <Azelphur> still hoping that I get lucky a couple times before difficulty hikes :p
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: isn't it hiking already?
[17:08] <popey> it hikes periodically
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: well, yes, but faster and faster
[17:09] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: it hikes in a matter of hours
[17:09] <Azelphur> and yay, just found another block ^_^
[17:09] <popey> which card was it again?
[17:09] <Azelphur> 8x5870 for me
[17:09] <popey> ATI sommat
[17:09] <davmor2> popey: the one on the left
[17:09] <Azelphur> my next rigs might be 5970's though if I can get a decent price
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> What's the current block count?
[17:10] <Azelphur> on namecoin? 12063
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> No normal bc
[17:11] <Azelphur> 130552
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> ah, I'm a few behind then
[17:11] <popey> does it matter how much RAM the card has?
[17:11] <popey> I guess not
[17:12] <Azelphur> popey: not at all
[17:12] <Azelphur> popey: and you can underclock the memory for lower power / heat :p
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> I have >2k confirmations for my single transaction now
[17:17] <andylockran> how do you get teh rcpusername/password?
[17:22] <Azelphur> andylockran: are you aiming at pool or solo
[17:22] <andylockran> Azelphur: I'll ride solo I think :)
[17:23] <Azelphur> andylockran: what gpu?
[17:23] <Azelphur> (s)?)
[17:23] <andylockran> Azelphur: nvidia 7900
[17:23] <andylockran> not a new one :s
[17:23] <andylockran> or a recent one
[17:23] <andylockran> is that a bad idea?
[17:23] <Azelphur> very bad idea
[17:23] <andylockran> So find a pool?
[17:23] <Azelphur> you can't even mine on a 7900
[17:23] <Azelphur> it doesn't support OpenCL
[17:23] <andylockran> ah, ok
[17:23] <Azelphur> 8 series+ only
[17:24] <Azelphur> and using anything that low will net you a higher power bill than profit
[17:24] <andylockran> what about an ion :p
[17:24] <Azelphur> nvidia is very difficult to make a profit off
[17:24] <andylockran> Azelphur: other machine is a MacBookPRo
[17:25] <Azelphur> only the really high end nvidias actually have a semi-decent hash rate
[17:25] <Azelphur> but even the high end ones like the GTX590 pale in comparison to a budget ATI card eg the 5870
[17:25] <Azelphur> check out https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
[17:26] <andylockran> 6490M on tha tpage
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> the 6990x3 is OMG
[17:26] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: a little over half what my setup does :)
[17:27] <Azelphur> only, the initial cost is probably the same as me :p
[17:27] <andylockran> Azelphur: how much did you invest?
[17:27] <Azelphur> £2000
[17:27]  * MartijnVdS has a ... looking up..
[17:27] <andylockran> Azelphur: and you've already made your money back?
[17:28] <Azelphur> andylockran: nearly
[17:28] <andylockran> I'm interested - I know some retailers got done in the early 90s for creating a virtual currency.. I know very little about it though.
[17:28] <Azelphur> *shrug* if it goes pop I've already won as I say
[17:28] <Azelphur> the risk is pretty much over for me now
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> I have a single ATI 5570
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> 102 Mhash/s / 1.46 Mhash/J
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> apparently..
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> ah only half.. the 102 one is overclocked
[17:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:31] <Azelphur> use http://bitcoinx.com/profit/index.php for your calculations, make sure your not making a loss with your power requirements
[17:31] <Azelphur> and if your average generation time is more than 10 days it's probably time to pool mine (I'd recommend eligius)
[17:32] <Azelphur> time for me to go cook for the family, /wave
[17:47] <Core_UK> Were does VirtualBox keep its VHDs?
[17:52] <popey> Core_UK: where you put them ☺
[17:52] <Core_UK> they were hidden popey
[17:52] <popey> sometimes ~/.VirtualBox ?
[17:52] <Core_UK> yeah :)
[17:52] <Core_UK> silly me
[17:53] <Core_UK> what do you reckon is the MINIMUM ram I can use on a wikimedia LAMP server intended for a <5 users?
[17:53] <Core_UK> 64mb pushing it too far?
[17:53]  * popey shrugs
[17:53] <Core_UK> ok :)
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> That sounds a lot like "what happened when you tried" ;)
[18:03] <Core_UK> MartijnVdS: i am trying 64mg
[18:06] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: I got 70 MH/s on a standard clocked 5570
[18:07] <hamitron> Core_UK: I reckon it can be done
[18:08] <Core_UK> hamitron: it works fine so far
[18:08] <Core_UK> gonna try adding some content and see what happens
[18:08] <hamitron> LAMP works fine on 32Mb memory
[18:09] <Core_UK> damn if you would have told me that :P
[18:09] <hamitron> I have it running on 16Mb with the 2.4 kernel
[18:09] <hamitron> ;)
[18:09] <Core_UK> lol
[18:09] <Core_UK> my very first PC was 16 mgs
[18:09] <Core_UK> MBs*
[18:09] <Core_UK> happy days
[18:10] <hamitron> it just so happens, it is my first PC too :)
[18:10] <hamitron> I reckon I've had my moneys worth out of it
[18:10] <Core_UK> you mean
[18:10] <Core_UK> you STILL have it
[18:10] <Core_UK> ROFL
[18:10] <Core_UK> that is epic
[18:11] <hamitron> yeh, p120 cpu
[18:11] <Core_UK> damn
[18:11] <Core_UK> i think mine was a p120 or something, overdrive or whatever they called it
[18:11] <hamitron> if I code something and it works well on it, I know it doesn't take too many resources
[18:12] <popey> my first pc was an 8MHz 8088 PC.
[18:12] <popey> Epson!
[18:12] <Core_UK> ok
[18:12] <hamitron> I really want something that old :/
[18:12] <Core_UK> that was WELL before my time lol
[18:13] <popey> It had a MDA video card
[18:13] <popey> _no_ graphics
[18:13] <popey> I want a VT101
[18:13] <hamitron> I've sold all the 486 I had, but now regreting it
[18:13] <popey> I still have one 368
[18:13] <hamitron> :-o
[18:13] <popey> actually, no, 286
[18:13] <hamitron> wanna sell me it?
[18:14] <hamitron> :D
[18:14] <Core_UK> I am trying with 8MB RAM
[18:14] <Core_UK> awww "error: the initrd is too big."
[18:14] <popey> Toshiba 1910CS laptop
[18:15] <popey> http://www.toshiba-europe.com/bv/computers/products/notebooks/t1910cs/index.shtm
[18:15] <popey> quality website
[18:15] <popey> oh, 486
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> > he new Microsoft BallPoint® V 2.0 with QuickPort™ is the ideal mouse when you're on the move
[18:15] <popey> "graphics accelerator"
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: back when that meant 2d acceleration :)
[18:16] <hamitron> 486 is too powerful for what I want :/
[18:16] <popey> heh
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8008 ?
[18:16] <hamitron> anyways, food is ready, so bbl o/
[18:16] <popey> I loved my IBM Model 50Z
[18:16] <popey> used to play Links Golf on that
[18:16] <hamitron> I want a 286 ideally
[18:16] <popey> http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_50z/
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: for what? :)
[18:17] <popey> happy days
[18:17] <popey> that is a 286
[18:17] <hamitron> the minimum to run minix 2.0
[18:17] <hamitron> ttyl o/
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: with a 486 upgrade? nice :)
[18:18] <popey> haha
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> I sort of skipped the 286/386 era.. went straight from 8088 to 486DX33
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> my dad then gave me a 386DX40
[18:25] <Core_UK> the place where windows go when minimised
[18:25] <Core_UK> what is that called?
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> "the bar on the left"
[18:25] <Core_UK> taskbar?
[18:25] <Core_UK> haha
[18:25] <Core_UK> my is on the bottom :P
[18:25] <Core_UK> mine*
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: ah, old Ubuntu?
[18:25] <Core_UK> 11.04 classic
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> yes, old ubuntu -- "classic" :)
[18:25] <Core_UK> I want to google something
[18:25] <Core_UK> but do not know how to phrase it
[18:26] <Core_UK> i want to move the vbox icon from my 'windowbar?' into the notification area
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: That's not possible unless the app has a feature for it
[18:27] <Core_UK> :(
[18:27] <Core_UK> do you know the name of what I am refering to though?
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> task bar and notification area
[18:28] <Core_UK> i was right :D
[18:28] <Core_UK> thank you
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> well it's the task list applet really
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> on the bottom panel :)
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> but people call it the taskbar anyway
[18:31] <Core_UK> there is an alltray in the repo
[18:31] <Core_UK> seems to have bad reviews though
[18:33] <JGJones> Hmm hamitron if you're after OLD computers...I have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4 to sell....
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: don't tell HazRPG :)
[18:43] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I'm selling it so of course I'm telling! :D
[18:43] <JGJones> No idea if it works come to think of it...I've not gotten around to plugging it in so I should do that.
[18:56] <hamitron> JGJones: afraid I have no use for a Z80 cpu
[18:56] <hamitron> :/
[18:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ^_^
[19:13] <diplo-> evening all
[19:19] <HazRPG> download fest was awesome ;D
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] Papyrus Feed Reader Mockup - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/papyrus-feed-reader-mockup/
[19:49] <Core_UK> any linux gaming fans in today? :)
[19:50] <Azelphur> yep
[19:50]  * hamitron is a gaming fan, but Azelphur is more a linux gamers
[19:50] <hamitron> and he lives \o/
[19:51] <Core_UK> meeting tomorrow
[19:51] <Core_UK> they trying to start up the group again
[19:51] <Azelphur> group?
[19:51] <Core_UK> ubuntu gaming
[19:52] <Azelphur> fun
[19:52] <hamitron> what does that entail?
[19:52] <Core_UK> dunno
[19:53]  * BigRedS can think of a way of finding out
[19:53] <BigRedS> :)
[19:53] <Core_UK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2011-06-14
[19:53] <Core_UK> I think a website would be cool
[19:53] <Core_UK> like
[19:53] <Core_UK> xbox live for ubuntu
[19:54] <Core_UK> play each other at games, post your scores with other gamers etc
[19:54] <Core_UK> no? okay...
[19:55] <hamitron> dunno
[19:55] <hamitron> a common place to talk about what works is good for me
[19:55] <hamitron> :)
[19:56] <Core_UK> you mean as in wine?
[19:56] <hamitron> anything
[19:56] <Core_UK> wine is for freedom haterzzz!
[19:56] <hamitron> just games
[19:56] <Core_UK> yeah defo
[19:56] <hamitron> I have nothing against closed source though
[19:56] <hamitron> :)
[19:57] <Core_UK> thats cos your a freedom haterz y0
[19:57] <hamitron> just want those offering it, to offer it in a format I can use
[19:57] <Core_UK> yeah defo
[19:57] <hamitron> hate is a strong word :/
[19:57] <Core_UK> nah its not ask richard :)
[19:57] <Core_UK> mr stallman
[19:57] <Core_UK> i was just jesting though :D
[19:58] <JGJones> bah Opera might be closed source but it's still goddamn awesome - they follow web standards after all.
[19:58] <Core_UK> I think closed source is okay while it is small
[19:59] <hamitron> I guess there are different ways to look at it
[19:59] <Core_UK> aka not microsoft google etc :)
[19:59] <hamitron> as a user I like open source
[19:59] <hamitron> :)
[19:59] <hamitron> but if I develop something, I may not want to give my work away
[20:00] <hamitron> so can see it from both sides
[20:00] <Core_UK> indeed
[20:00] <JGJones> I always find it daft that some people think that because I use open source I won't pay for software. Pure garbage.
[20:00] <Core_UK> free = libre
[20:00] <hamitron> JGJones: yeh
[20:00] <Core_UK> people confuse free as in freedom
[20:01] <Core_UK> as there is no word for free in the sense of freedom in english ><
[20:01] <hamitron> I see anything where I don't have to pay, as free ;)
[20:01] <Core_UK> indeed
[20:01] <Core_UK> and the confusion begins
[20:01] <Core_UK> its libre software not free software
[20:02] <daubers> lo
[20:02] <Core_UK> we should ask oxford to introduce libre into the english language :P
[20:02] <Core_UK> eening daubers
[20:02] <hamitron> i confess, I choose good software over libre :/
[20:02] <hamitron> but that is why I like linux, it is good
[20:02] <daubers> I tend to use whatever works best most of the time
[20:02] <hamitron> :)
[20:03] <hamitron> yeh
[20:03] <Core_UK> me too
[20:03] <Core_UK> with a baise towards libre
[20:03]  * AlanBell tends to talk about software freedom
[20:04] <Azelphur> (19:27:39) hamitron: I'm starting to hate linux
[20:04]  * Azelphur run
[20:04] <Azelphur> s
[20:04] <Core_UK> libre i think is most important with tools (software as a tool) and less important in other area's, such as gaming,
[20:04] <hamitron> I hate everything
[20:04] <hamitron> ;/
[20:04] <hamitron> linux is just the most good atm
[20:04] <hamitron> ;)
[20:05] <Core_UK> hamitron: you need ethics training freedom hater
[20:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:05] <daubers> Core_UK: Ah, the irony in hypocrasy
[20:05] <Core_UK> ha ha
[20:06] <hamitron> if I ever invent something that will make me millions, I would take the millions :/
[20:06] <daubers> hamitron: I would as long as it didn't endanger peoples lives
[20:06] <hamitron> please forgive me ;)
[20:06] <hamitron> daubers: there are a few things that would make me think it through ofc
[20:07] <Core_UK> are we alive without freedom?
[20:07] <Core_UK> i am only jesting by the way I am not a free software zealot don't worry :)
[20:08]  * hamitron checks his pulse
[20:08] <hamitron> yes :D
[20:08]  * AlanBell is working on a presentation that includes the 4 freedoms
[20:08] <Core_UK> for what purpose AlanBell ?
[20:08] <Daviey> AlanBell: oh no.
[20:09] <Core_UK> Richard Stallman will love you in heaven :)
[20:09] <hamitron> poor AlanBell
[20:09] <hamitron> :/
[20:09] <Core_UK> :
[20:09] <Core_UK> lol
[20:15] <jacobw> someone did a presentation about the reform of copyright laws in the UK and how it would affect free software at the LUG i attend last time i was there
[20:15] <AlanBell> presentation is for this tomorrow http://www.smartgovlive.com/
[20:16] <jacobw> it seems that policy makers still don't understand the information age
[20:16] <AlanBell> not entirely true :0
[20:17] <jacobw> how so? i suppose i shouldn't generalise
[20:18] <AlanBell> it is a more complicated picture than that
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> jacobw: There is another presentation on copyright and FOSS on Wednesday evening in London: http://www.theiet.org/local/uk/london/central-Open-source-software.cfm
[20:19] <jacobw> there must :)
[20:21]  * hamitron doesn't worry about the law part of stuff
[20:26] <Core_UK> :0
[20:30] <hamitron> Core_UK: I'm big on using something as it was intended to be used as, not worrying about the fine print of the law
[20:31] <Core_UK> I'm big on using stuff as I feel it was intended :P
[20:31] <hamitron> not just ignoring all terms the software is released under
[20:31] <hamitron> yeh
[20:31] <Core_UK> and ignoring the law
[20:31] <Core_UK> i mean
[20:31] <Core_UK> not really, of course
[20:32] <hamitron> well, I dont like breaking copyright
[20:32] <Core_UK> depends
[20:32] <hamitron> but I wouldn't use a loophole in some license, to use it in a way the author didn't want
[20:33] <Core_UK> depends if it is the author i am dealing with, or a massive multinational that misuses the author...
[20:33] <Core_UK> lot to consider
[20:33] <hamitron> for example, I wouldn't pirate MS Windows
[20:33] <hamitron> :)
[20:33] <Core_UK> i dont pirate but i have no objections to it in some scenarios
[20:33] <hamitron> as much as I hate some of the things MS have gone about things in the past, I wouldn't pirate it, I'd choose to not use it if I felt strongly enough
[20:34] <hamitron> no software is important enough for me to do without
[20:34] <hamitron> :)
[20:35] <jacobw> stick to debian/ubuntu, the people who make policy have thought about these things so you don't have to :)
[20:35] <Core_UK> well now no
[20:35] <BigRedS> there's a bit of a difference between Debian's and Ubuntu's, er, policy there
[20:35] <Core_UK> KFC or McDonolds?
[20:35] <Core_UK> ok wrong chat sorry :P
[20:36] <BigRedS> haha
[20:36] <BigRedS> I was trying to make that analogy fit :)
[20:36] <jacobw> that's true, i was more thinking of debian when i said that.
[20:36] <Core_UK> rofl
[20:36] <Core_UK> debian are so cool
[20:36] <hamitron> debiaan = freedom, ubuntu = profit?
[20:36] <hamitron> ;)
[20:36] <Core_UK> for geeks
[20:36] <Core_UK> debian = bling
[20:36] <BigRedS> jacobw: yeah, debian doesn't do the "your system's too free, have an NVidia driver" thing :)
[20:37] <BigRedS> nah. Debian's stuck to the ideal of making the best OS they can according to Debian's definition of 'best'. Ubuntu's aiming for popular.
[20:37] <jacobw> i don't think ubuntu are doing anything wrong, its just a different approach to computing.
[20:38] <jacobw> people don't like change :| whether its unity or sudo or whatever.
[20:38] <hamitron> I'm against boycotting the nvidia drivers..... I paid for a card and expect them to provide me a driver for the money ;)
[20:38] <BigRedS> haha
[20:39] <BigRedS> wow. the stories are true. rpm is _really_ slow
[20:39] <hamitron> sudo = 5 extra chars to type
[20:39] <hamitron> :/
[20:39] <BigRedS> for each command
[20:39] <hamitron> yeh
[20:39] <hamitron> haha
[20:39] <hamitron> I don't like to sound lazy
[20:39] <hamitron> but it makes a difference
[20:39] <hamitron> ;/
[20:40] <BigRedS> why not? Laziness is a virtue
[20:40]  * hamitron has mastered it
[20:41] <hamitron> I never saw what was wrong with su -c
[20:41] <jacobw> its true, rpm sucks.
[20:41] <hamitron> I found fedora rather fresh last time I tried it
[20:41] <jacobw> well, apart from having to enter you password for each command..
[20:41] <BigRedS> yeah, I'd head the stories but I've been pretty good at avoiding it for a while
[20:41] <Core_UK> have not used rpm since mandrake
[20:41] <hamitron> jacobw: then I use on -c
[20:41] <hamitron> :)
[20:42] <hamitron> last time I used rpm on commandline was in slackware
[20:42] <hamitron> :/
[20:42] <hamitron> with the old nvidia driver
[20:43] <hamitron> does suse still use rpm?
[20:43] <jacobw> yeah
[20:44] <jacobw> they have 'zypper' now though
[20:44] <jacobw> which is like yum but good
[20:44] <hamitron> yum is easier to spell
[20:44] <hamitron> :/
[20:44] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[20:44] <hamitron> reminds me
[20:44] <hamitron> need coffee and cake
[20:45] <hamitron> brb
[20:46] <jacobw> hmm, cake.
[20:47] <hamitron> I have to wait
[20:47] <hamitron> :/
[20:47] <hamitron> cooker isn't free
[20:48]  * hamitron sighs
[20:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you've been following the Mark Taylor/Computercentre story here's a nice take: http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/173673/two-faces-uk-open-source
[20:53] <jacobw> i can't stop thinking about cake now :(
[20:55] <hamitron> me neither
[20:55] <hamitron> :D
[20:55] <hamitron> time for some DIRT 3 I think
[20:55] <hamitron> bbl o/
[21:00] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[21:02] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ca you pop into -ie
[21:03] <jacobw> :o rally games are great
[21:03]  * jacobw was a big fan of vrally back in the day
[21:05] <JGJones> hamitron, I don't like yum.
[21:05] <JGJones> hamitron, it make me hungry.
[21:05] <JGJones> :)
[21:06] <JGJones> btw if you're doing a lot of sudo stuff - I tend to use sudo -s
[21:06] <JGJones> that's to hamitron btw.
[21:36] <hamitron> JGJones: you have just won me over to sudo, ty
[21:37] <hamitron> jacobw: any racing game :D
[21:37] <hamitron> I do prefer wheel to wheel racing
[21:37] <hamitron> :/
[21:38] <Pendulum> hamitron: what about wheelchair racing? ;-)
[21:39] <Pendulum> that's someone that should be done with the Wii or Kinect
[21:39] <Pendulum> a wheelchair racing simulator game!
[21:39] <hamitron> that could be kind of cool
[21:40] <hamitron> I remember racing wheel chairs at school
[21:40] <Pendulum> one of my mates and I once got yelled at in an IKEA for racing our wheelchairs
[21:40] <hamitron> haha
[21:40] <bigcalm> Hah
[21:40] <Pendulum> she was beating me in a crappy store wheelchair too :(
[21:40] <hamitron> :/
[21:41] <hamitron> well, there is a time and place!
[21:41] <Pendulum> (compared to my superlight-weight made for me in my chair)
[21:41] <hamitron> like the car park? ;)
[21:41] <hamitron> you could have fatigue and stuff
[21:41] <Pendulum> yeah, but it was a 'Midnight Madness' event all for uni students. And there was no one in front of us and we're both good enough with our chairs we wouldn't have hit anyone!
[21:42] <Pendulum> hamitron: I do. just it was a first sign at one point that things had progressed for me because I should have been much faster
[21:42] <hamitron> sorry, I was thinking about a game
[21:42] <Pendulum> (this was almost 4 years ago. these days I wouldn't even try to beat her)
[21:42] <hamitron> :D
[21:42] <Pendulum> :)
[21:42] <Pendulum> actually, that would be cool
[21:43] <Pendulum> I wonder if it'd be a way to get new wheelchair users more used to the motion...
[21:43] <hamitron> twin accelerator
[21:43] <hamitron> and twin brake
[21:43] <hamitron> and "rush mode"
[21:43] <Pendulum> not to mention get all of you unlucky enough not to need wheelchairs an example of what it's like ;-)
[21:44] <Pendulum> but without all the crappy bits
[21:44] <hamitron> yeh
[21:44] <hamitron> not gonna be realistic though
[21:44] <jacobw> hamitron: :D i love racing games too.
[21:44] <hamitron> :/
[21:44] <hamitron> but it could be fun
[21:44] <Pendulum> crappy bits = social barriers like people not bothering with installing ramps
[21:45] <jacobw> :(
[21:45] <hamitron> Pendulum: you don't think some people may get upset with such a game?
[21:45] <Pendulum> hamitron: some people might, but I suspect they'd be in the minority
[21:46]  * Pendulum asks twitter what they think
[21:46] <diplo-> Any of you guys use S3 for storage/backup ?
[21:46] <Pendulum> it could be an idea that only sounds good to me because I have a fever :P
[21:47] <hamitron> I'm sure such a game could be fun to play
[21:48] <hamitron> diplo: out of my budget :)
[21:49] <diplo-> Well I just looked, doesn't seem that expensive or I am reading it wrong
[21:49] <hamitron> I don't think it is, I'm just too cheap
[21:49] <hamitron> ;)
[21:50] <diplo-> Why I was asking to see if others used it
[21:50] <jacobw> Streak Hoverboard Racing was a great game :)
[21:51] <hamitron> jacobw: I never played it
[21:51] <hamitron> :/
[21:51] <hamitron> once upon a time I wanted to buy every racing game I could find
[21:51] <hamitron> but all this DRM on new games has put me off
[21:52] <hamitron> I used to buy everything I could, then copy to cdr for my cd wallet
[21:52] <hamitron> so originals are kept nice
[21:53] <hamitron> now I begrudge paying for software, because you can be sure the activation servers won't be there for ever, and I will want them to always work
[21:53] <hamitron> :/
[21:57] <gord> yup, just typed amazon.co.uk in to amazon.co.uk. i'm a moron
[21:57] <jacobw> yeah, this is why i don't play games any more
[21:58] <jacobw> philosphical objections :(
[21:58] <jacobw> yo gord, i heard you like amazon.co.uk so i put some amazon.co.uk in amazon.co.uk :P
[22:00] <hamitron> how mcuh do they have it for?
[22:00] <jacobw> hehe
[22:00] <hamitron> and does it qualify for super saver delivery? ;/
[22:00] <hamitron> I hate paying delivery charges
[22:00] <jacobw> perhaps people have been overcomplicating how to value amazon..
[22:01] <gord> i have amazon prime :) works out well if you buy lots of useless stuff like me
[22:02] <jacobw> i used to have that, but the trial ran out :(
[22:03] <dutchie> i had the trial
[22:03] <dutchie> amazon don't seem to have noticed that it ought to have run ou t
[22:03] <dutchie> out
[22:03] <dutchie> so :)
[22:04] <jacobw> :D
[22:04] <hamitron> prime?
[22:04] <dutchie> yeah
[22:04] <hamitron> is that the 1 click thing?
[22:05] <jacobw> free one day delivery
[22:05] <hamitron> ah, nice
[22:05] <jacobw> sort of.. they charge you just before you remember to cancel the tra
[22:05] <jacobw> trial
[22:05] <hamitron> i not used amazon since I pre-ordererd F1 2010 and they ripped me off
[22:05] <dutchie> hmm, they may have charged me then
[22:06] <dutchie> oh well
[22:06] <jacobw> its not cheap, its about £40
[22:06] <hamitron> for how long? :|
[22:08] <jacobw> i think itd supposed to be £40/year
[22:14] <jacobw> night
[22:14] <gord> amazon prime is cheep if you buy lots of stuff
[22:15] <gord> the way i figured out was i added up all the regular delivery fee's i was paying, turned out it was more than amazon prime is monthly, so now i'm paying less money and get one day delivery thrown in for free
[22:19] <hamitron> super saver!
[22:19] <hamitron> ;)
[22:20] <hamitron> an excuse to make me wait, to encourage me to pay them more :/
[22:24] <michelle_> I've got some good bargains pre-ordering books. For most other things, though, it ends up more expensive. I just tick "free delivery" and am happy to wait the extra few days.
[22:26] <michelle_> I don't buy games any more because they don't install easily on Linux. I do still play Unreal Tournament 2004, because it came with a Linux installer on the original DVD. I'm getting my money out of that game.
[22:28] <BigRedS> I did that for a while
[22:28] <BigRedS> then valve made portal
[22:28] <BigRedS> 2
[22:28] <BigRedS> and I caved in
[22:28] <michelle_> I am considering Portal 2 ... and also Duke Nukem. Have so far resisted.
[22:29] <BigRedS> I even found myself a 'wintendo' desktop background
[22:29] <michelle_> ... mostly because I remember how much of a pain it is to install and maintain Windows.
[22:29] <gord> duke nukem is getting very bad reviews
[22:29] <gord> 3/10 and such
[22:30] <BigRedS> oh yeah, I got someone else to configure Windows for me
[22:30] <michelle_> ... and I count maybe two or three years before it won't play on the future Windows releases.
[22:30] <michelle_> That sucks for investment in a game.
[22:30] <BigRedS> gord: yeah, I'm hearing that the major (only?) good thing about it is that it's duke nukem forever
[22:31] <gord> BigRedS, there really isn't any quality of it you could deem good
[22:31] <michelle_> Well .. we've waited ... "forever"... to get it!!!
[22:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/13/community-leadership-summit-2011-2/
[22:32] <gord> ha, rebecca black's seminal "friday" video on youtube now costs $2.99 to view it, you get 72 hours of rental for that price
[22:33] <popey> bit late for that bandwagon
[22:33] <BigRedS> haha
[22:34] <BigRedS> bah. my run of conceiving of things, writing the code, and it Just Working has come to an abrupt end :(
[22:34] <gord> you would of thought they would of just thrown mandatory adverts on it like other annoying youtube videos
[23:06] <AlanBell> anyone want to point out spelling errors and such on http://libertus.co.uk/
[23:21] <dutchie> AlanBell: some of the paras on the "Services" page should have full stops/semicolons instead of commas
[23:22] <dutchie> AlanBell: specifically "integration and customisation" and "hosting"
[23:23] <AlanBell> semis it is then
[23:24] <hamitron> I missed that
[23:24] <hamitron> ><