=== gary_ is now known as Guest98656 === ujjain is now known as ujjain|afk [06:22] Hi [06:23] I do diff orgfile newfile How do i apply entries in orgfile to newfile ? [06:42] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/625658/ [08:27] if people want to pile on to wiki-test.ubuntu.com and try and break it that would be great [08:30] AlanBell: I'm getting cannot find www.wiki-test.ubuntu.com, but worked in a fashion using http:// which asked me if I wanted to use http://wiki-test.ubuntu.com/? [08:30] DJones: why put www in front of it? [08:31] Tip: Don't. [08:31] Heh, true [08:34] morning all === seeker_ is now known as seeker [08:38] o/ [08:38] could anyone point me to some tutorials on writing decent bash stuff? [08:38] like making it show up in man etc [08:40] tldp.org ? === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [08:40] To make it show up in man you need to write a man page and install it [08:40] which is a distinct kettle of fish [08:40] k [08:40] is that going overboard? [08:41] It depends [08:41] I've not written anything in bash that I could justify more than a --help for [08:41] i am busy building a bunch of libs to make life easy [08:41] but more documentation is normally useful, as long as you manage to keep it good [08:41] ye, maybe --help is all that is needed [08:47] AlanBell: i tried to log in with launchpad openid and it just times out [08:49] hello all [08:49] ali1234: AlanBell Firt part of sign in works, but then has stopped after asking "Sign in to Ubuntu Wiki (Test)" with a waiting message, then also timed out [08:49] yeah same here [08:50] reported === ujjain|afk is now known as ujjain [09:47] quiet in here [09:48] yep [09:59] All? [09:59] jerome: huh? [10:01] Moodoo: Wron channel :) [10:01] jerome: ah :) [10:01] s/n/g [10:02] * jerome should leave monday morning mode soon [10:02] jerome: i'll do that about 3pm this afternoon ;) [10:03] Yeah, at this time it'll be post lunch mode === ChrisB is now known as Guest27158 === gary_ is now known as Guest2756 [10:32] good morning everyone, [10:32] lo [10:32] morning brobostigon [10:33] Hi all o/ [10:34] morning popey diplo and selinuxium [10:35] popey, did you ever do a blog post on your Elec cost etc set up ? [10:35] Also, do you have any idea how much it costs a day/month or wat ever to run your HP mini server box ? [10:35] i dont know the power of the hp box [10:36] if you'd asked me friday I would have plugged it into the power meter [10:36] kk, will see if i can work it out some how [10:36] but I'm not going to switch it off now ☺ [10:36] :D [10:36] No worries, no rush.. if you ever do remember I'd appreciate it. [10:36] Being single now i really am watching pennies, but would love to have a server on 24/7 at home [10:36] But only got old towers atm [10:37] So want to have some idea on how much elec it will cost me [10:37] :) [10:48] something like £1/year/watt I believe [10:48] so if the box draws 30W then £30/year === Guest31887 is now known as issyl0 [10:51] Thanks AlanBell I had heard that [10:51] But I know my Dell TS105 pulls a hell of a lot more than that [10:51] I suppose i could look on HP's site and see if it offers any info [11:03] diplo: also, mine is not a standard one [11:03] diplo: mine has 5 disks in it [11:03] heh yeah I had read that [11:03] I want that many in mine eventually once I have some spare cash [11:03] morning all [11:04] morning [11:06] popey: did you deal with your pci express card in the end? [11:06] yes, it came with a smaller bracket [11:06] installed fine [11:07] 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40) [11:07] 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01) [11:07] ☺ [11:11] Oh you have added another card to allow more drives [11:12] Does anybody know of a way of converting "20110613" to a normal date format in Excel [11:12] =DATEVALUE seems to spring to mind [11:13] just having a google now [11:14] datevalue seems to go the other way [11:15] yeah I was wrong :) [11:15] Been a while since I've used excel [11:15] seems a good place to start though, might give me a link to the right command though [11:16] =value(left(a2,3)&/ [11:16] ozgrid.com [11:16] Seems to have a good explanation [11:17] Thanks, I'll have a look [11:18] diplo: yes [11:18] diplo: I have an external EDGE10 box with 4 bays [11:19] and the cheapo onboard SATA interface wont show multiple drives in one enclosure [11:19] * czajkowski bangs her head against a wall dealing with companies/recruiters who dont mail back [11:19] so i added the pcie card to enable that [11:20] nice, really need to find myself some spare cash [11:23] * davmor2 prods czajkowski hello [11:26] * MooDoo says alright to davmor2 and prods czajkowski as well [11:27] I should probably do something with the other 3 hp microservers [11:28] MooDoo: Watcha Mucka [11:28] 3?¬?¬?¬? [11:28] Sell them off uber cheap to me [11:28] :) [11:28] 1* [11:29] heh [11:29] davmor2: how you doing this fine day? [11:29] popey: bitmining or better usage would be a cluster for mine craft you know it makes sense [11:30] not sure the cpu has enough grunt for minecraft [11:30] MooDoo: you confusing fine with miserable, frey and cold again? [11:31] davmor2: i've got man flu, it's a curse [11:34] MooDoo: there, there, not down to too much alcohol at all then :) [11:35] davmor2: no not this time [11:36] MooDoo: bummer dude hope you get well soon [11:38] davmor2: hopefully it's a 24 hour thing [11:52] Morning [11:52] morning daubers [12:19] http://www.boutiqueacademia.com/products/Ubuntu-Earrings.html [12:19] oimon: yeah saw them on pleias post [12:20] there's some great stuff on that site [12:57] I've an apache2 revers proxy which is returning an HTTP500 apparently without writing anything to the logs. Is this indicative of the proxied-to host returning an error? I'd expect that to be logged, too [12:58] Morning daubers is this from your windows box? [13:00] hah. no it's indicative of my having not loaded mod_proxy_http [14:09] Anyone recognise this name Bruno Girin ? [14:09] I recognise it from some where Ubuntu related [14:09] Yes [14:10] Just wanted to get in contact with him ref something he is writing for Shotwell :) [14:10] he works / worked on shotwell [14:10] Want to test if he needs a tested [14:10] Ah! [14:10] :) [14:10] tester* [14:10] http://twitter.com/#!/brunogirin [14:10] diplo: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/brunogirin [14:10] * diplo follows and looks [14:10] ta [14:10] https://launchpad.net/~brunogirin [14:10] speaking of shotwell [14:10] his gmail account is there [14:11] so my monitor has a card reader in it [14:11] lol, I really don't know why i didn't check any of those ( maybe not linked in ) but i normally do . [14:11] Cheeers guys [14:11] every time i turn it off then on again (every day) it reenumerates the card reader and then shotwell loads, because the card has photos on it [14:11] it's really annoying [14:11] i never said to automatically open stuff [14:11] pull the card out? [14:11] no [14:11] ali1234: don't turn it off manually, use the automatic standby :) [14:11] fix ubuntu [14:13] i wish there was a way to turn off the monitor from software without having to wait for the timeout [14:13] isn't there a lock screen button? [14:14] yes, it just locks the screen, it does not turn off the monitor [14:14] ah :) [14:14] never played with such things much [14:14] besides i don't use screenload or screensaver [14:14] i just turn off the monitor [14:15] it's much easier and it never happens accidentally while i am doing something [14:15] yeh, same [14:18] How do I query which pkg contains an installed app? [14:20] dpkg -S `which ` [14:20] wintellect: apt-file search will search across all packages [14:21] popey: oimon - thanks [14:21] c [14:21] grr [14:21] grr [14:22] czajkowski: wassup? [14:22] stupid keyboard [14:22] czajkowski: not using dvorak or something silly are you? ;) [14:22] PEBCAK [14:22] nope [14:22] mini 9 [14:23] ah little keyboard then [14:23] * BigRedS is incompatible with netbook keyboards [14:24] * hamitron upgrades BigRedS to something better [14:24] Nah, it's the netbook that needs upgrading! [14:24] :D [14:26] davmor2: Yes [14:26] heya [14:30] mini 9's :( [14:30] hard enough to type on a 10 [14:32] has anyone ever seen a zune IRL? [14:35] daubers: wow I knew windows was slow I had no idea the lag would be that bad, /me waits another 4 hours for a reply [14:36] davmor2: :p I blame this "work" concept. Get's in the way of _everything_ [14:36] daubers: haha [14:37] sometimes i swear, work gets in the way of work even [14:37] gord: Yes! I spent 3 days yesterday doing project management stuffabout project management :( [14:38] 3 days last week even [14:38] * daubers needs moar coffee [14:38] was gonna say ;) [14:38] gord: only when trying to work on things not directly related to work but are rewarded by work for working so hard on it, right? [14:38] doesn't help that it's just warm and muggy enough to make you sleepy today [14:39] davmor2, its monday, i stopped reading what you said after the second work [14:39] gord: haha [14:39] work getting in the way again :D [14:39] :p [14:41] gord: I got a second hand copy of dragon age 2 who ever said it was smaller lied :) the map is but there are more quests and sub quests that the first with more downloadable ones if you get bored with the original game [14:41] davmor2, i said its smaller, because it is :P [14:42] gord: but the games bigger there are more places they just happen to be in one city rather than an entire continent [14:43] davmor2, its way smaller, the main city is bigger than the other cities in da1, but that doesn't mean the game is bigger === seeker_ is now known as seeker [14:48] gord: I'm 50% of the way through it (ie quest 1 is complete) and I've only completed 18% of the game. I think the issue is if you don't look for the extra elements you don't complete them [14:48] davmor2, i did pretty much everything the game had to offer, still beat it in a week, made sure to do all the quests i could find [14:49] Ello peeps [14:49] gord: did that include all the mail you get at your home? [14:49] yup [14:50] i mean, i had fun whilst i was doing all that. i would of stopped if i wasn't. but its not as big a game as da1. which makes sense, they made the entire thing in like a year [14:52] Tame(ish) birds++ http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5828812586/in/photostream [14:53] MartijnVdS: like it :) [14:54] MartijnVdS: My brother keeps telling me they're almost as dumb as owls [14:54] But then he would :) [14:54] daubers: This bird's trainer is trying to get a proper crow, they're supposed to be a bit smarter [14:56] gord: I noticed all the duplication of areas which didn't seem so apparent in DA1 and I hate the fact that you can't get to some areas at all [14:56] MartijnVdS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/prjmellors/5828829596/ [14:56] davmor2, which area's can't you get to? [14:56] MooDoo: cool] [14:57] MartijnVdS: not the original, it's a scanned version of the one i did [14:57] MooDoo: Still a cool pic :) [14:57] MartijnVdS: Apparently. He deals with birds of pray more often than not [14:58] gord: on the summit there is a cavern with a door the one end and a magic shield the other nothing opens either door, there were a lot of places where you went in but there were no way to get through to places on the map [14:59] davmor2, right, those places are because of duplicating the area's. each time you go into a cave or whatever, it'll just use the same map but open different areas [15:02] gord: yes which is a bit crap [15:24] Ooouch :( [15:24] I just discovered I've been hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 [15:24] Ubuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu Hardy) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Fix released] [15:24] and that I have no backups for the past 2 weeks [15:25] MattJ: ouch.... [15:26] oops [15:26] I had the same [15:26] but spotted it sooner [15:26] erm... am I missing something... How do I map a windows drive in Unity? [15:26] selinuxium: use the command line ;) [15:27] selinuxium: Go into nautilus, hit ctrl+l then enter smb://blah blah blah :) [15:27] popey: I'm accustomed to the cron emails being in my inbox every morning, I guess I've been thinking about too much other stuff the past couple of weeks to notice their absence until today [15:28] MooDoo, daubers So what happened to the GUI? [15:28] and I won't complain too loudly, having messed up a security release of my own around the same time [15:29] selinuxium: The "Connect to Server" one? [15:29] daubers, yup [15:30] selinuxium: Go into nautilus, then it's in the file menu [15:30] selinuxium: I tend to use the ctrl+L method as it's quicker, and I do that about 10 times a day [16:03] popey: your tumbleweed page has caused great amusement in our office today :D [16:04] heh [16:07] MooDoo: it would still be better animated [16:07] davmor2: it is [16:07] note to self rm -r *nux* may also delete lots of files with the word "linux" in them... [16:07] davmor2: tumbleweed goes accross the screen [16:08] woo hoo popey when did that happen [16:08] haha nice [16:09] about a month ago [16:11] popey: Yeah I think I looked at it but had forgotten as it hadn't appeared on here that much :) [16:25] url? [16:25] andylock1an: tumbleweed.popey.com [16:26] nice background === andylock1an is now known as andylockran [16:31] This keep going on and on and on in my head: oh moshi, you're so fine! you're so fine you blow my mind, HEY MOSHI! HEY MOSHI! [16:32] Yes, my daughter have discovered the Moshi Monster music video on YouTube and is playing it. Over and over. I'm starting to wonder if I have a baseball bat somewhere for "essential repairs" to the speakers? [16:36] JGJones: Time for some iptabling on the router ;) === andylockran is now known as andylockrans [16:37] ls [16:37] ls: Command not found [16:40] . [16:40] .. [16:40] goat_porn [16:40] :) [16:41] howdy howdy howdy [16:41] \o popey === andylockrans is now known as andylockran [16:41] oh.. dear [16:41] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison something's wrong here [16:42] why is nvidia so poor compared to amd here? [16:42] oimon: you making bitcoins? [16:42] amd tend to have more processing cores [16:43] MartijnVdS, she'll just find another source. She always seem to manage it - a geek in the making :-) [16:43] oimon: it's an arch issue, nvidia is faster at floating point math, amd is faster at integer math [16:43] you can guess which is more useful for bitcoin [16:43] nvidia is better for gaming though [16:43] ^ [16:43] dogmatic69: there shouldn't be that big a difference though [16:43] Azelphur: ^ [16:43] oimon: sure there is [16:45] how long does it take to generate 0.01 coins? [16:45] I've installed it on OSX and my balance is 0.00 [16:45] andylockran: it takes forever (for all intents and purposes) unless you join a mining group [16:45] ^ [16:45] why are so many people doing BC? [16:45] because it's profitable if you do it right [16:45] umm [16:46] thats not the reason ;) [16:46] it's my reason :D [16:46] that and of course, it's damned fun [16:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg [16:46] i think most people are doing it because its fun to set up, its an interesting technical challenge in both the hardware and software realm [16:46] I went in with the intention of making money + it's fun [16:46] * MartijnVdS might be strange, but I don't see the fun in it :) [16:46] I'm doing both :) [16:46] if your doing it to make money, there are easier ways [16:46] yeah, like begging [16:46] indeed, bitcoin mining isn't for the faint of heart [16:47] if you don't like building and tweaking, don't bother [16:47] it's a nonsense though really [16:47] how can cpu cycles wasted on generating numbers have value? [16:48] SHA-something might be safe now, but what if it's cracked (like MD5 and SHA1 before it) [16:48] Azelphur: lol [16:48] oimon, because its a limited resource [16:48] same with ECC [16:48] oimon: supply and demand [16:48] but it's not real [16:48] why would anyone want it? [16:48] oimon: neither is normal money [16:49] oimon: it's as real as any other currency is [16:49] oimon, coins are just metal, notes are just paper [16:49] yes, money is real [16:49] oimon: so if I print a qrcode to a bitcoin on a piece of paper is the bitcoin real? [16:49] notes are a promise [16:49] oimon: not anymore [16:49] ^ [16:50] oimon: bitcoin are very lucrative for buyers, lots of people are buying them as investment, also as a safe place to store money without worry about it being frozen or stolen by authorities [16:50] the pirate party for example have all their funds in bitcoin now [16:50] on your 1st point...as an investment .. [16:51] But can I buy bread for bitcoins? [16:51] MartijnVdS: yes [16:51] Azelphur: Not at my local baker's [16:51] it's not legal tender, no [16:51] Azelphur: My supermarket doesn't want bitcoins [16:51] MartijnVdS: that's like saying you can't buy bread at your local bakers with US dollars [16:51] it's an internet bubble [16:51] oimon, put simply, bitcoins have a value because people are willing to buy them, to exchange local currency in some form, or trade something, for them. which is no different from any other currency [16:51] MartijnVdS: bitcoin is an internet currency, you buy shit off the internet with it. [16:52] Azelphur: only among people willing to accept the imaginary currency [16:52] oimon, it may well be :) it may well fall apart tomorrow, but so might our own currency [16:52] Azelphur: except nobody accepts it, except private torrent sites (piracy anyone), pirate parties, child porn rings, etc. [16:52] MartijnVdS: wrong, huge amounts of companies accept it now. [16:52] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade [16:53] MartijnVdS: you can get your bread from the consumables section, I'd guess :) [16:54] They reckon that the porn industry is going to pick up on bitcoin soon don't they [16:54] As it's a anonymous payment as such [16:54] indeed, it's lucrative to a lot of people for a lot of reasons [16:54] * MooDoo goes to the net to see what bitcoin is [16:54] I think it's going to be as niche as PGP/GPG [16:54] Only geeks use it [16:54] MartijnVdS: *Shrug* maybe [16:54] (and people with "special interest") [16:54] at the end of the day I don't care I got a free supercomputer. [16:55] or nearly free, anyway. [16:55] Azelphur: why not use it to do protein folding then? :) [16:55] because protein folding won't pay the power bill [16:55] (unfortunately) [16:55] BTC is as much a currency as trading pokemon cards [16:55] oimon: pokemon cards have (had) value [16:55] how much £ in power does it take to mine £ in BTC [16:55] I sold a bunch of them back when I was a kid :p [16:56] oimon: look on the mining hardware page, it shows mhash/j figures, you can calculate it from that [16:56] Azelphur: it was a perceived value created by temporary demand [16:56] *shrug* [16:56] if it is I don't mind, I already made my money :D [16:56] we'll laugh about it in 2 yrs [16:56] I won't, I'll be like "bitcoin was awesome" [16:57] "I got a free supercomputer" [16:57] we may do oimon, or we may all look like morons for not getting in on that [16:57] lol [16:57] ^ [16:57] i'm happy to be the moron [16:57] thats fine [16:57] especially with 150-node HPC clusters at my disposal [16:57] good luck mining on those [16:58] lol [16:58] they have GPU processing units too [16:58] I bet they are nvidia [16:58] is mining windows only then? [16:58] oimon: hell no [16:58] oimon: my mining cluster is ubuntu server netbooted [16:59] i wonder if it would make more sense to mine on ps3's. those cell chips are really quite quick [16:59] Azelphur: did you get it to work then? :) [16:59] Azelphur: as in, properly [16:59] and ps3's are about as expensive as a gpu [17:00] MartijnVdS: yep [17:00] gord: it doesn't [17:01] Cost of machines + electricity > generated bitcoin value ? [17:01] andylockran: by far [17:02] I mean, by far on the profit side :p [17:02] I havn't had my rig for a month and it's nearly paid for itself [17:03] Azelphur: how many bitcoins do you have? [17:03] Azelphur: how much £ have you converted then? [17:03] oimon: £1400 [17:03] andylockran: 18.88 + 100 NC [17:03] Azelphur: do you do pooled mining? [17:04] I had a few days of downtime :( [17:04] popey: I did, I've decided to stop pool mining now though [17:04] oh? [17:04] have you actually found any without pooling? [17:04] popey: BTCmine was nice, then they enforced a 2% fee, so then I switched to btcguild which had lots of rejected shares, so switched to eligius which wasn't bad but also charges a fee and takes tx fees [17:05] I've found blocks while in a pool [17:05] but I havn't solo mined bitcoin yet [17:05] I'm mining namecoin atm [17:06] I mined like £30 worth of namecoin last night, but I was extremely unlucky on the solo :( [17:07] I only got 100, if averages had held true I should have had something like 1000 [17:07] still hoping that I get lucky a couple times before difficulty hikes :p [17:08] Azelphur: isn't it hiking already? [17:08] it hikes periodically [17:08] popey: well, yes, but faster and faster [17:09] MartijnVdS: it hikes in a matter of hours [17:09] and yay, just found another block ^_^ [17:09] which card was it again? [17:09] 8x5870 for me [17:09] ATI sommat [17:09] popey: the one on the left [17:09] my next rigs might be 5970's though if I can get a decent price [17:10] What's the current block count? [17:10] on namecoin? 12063 [17:11] No normal bc [17:11] 130552 [17:11] ah, I'm a few behind then [17:11] does it matter how much RAM the card has? [17:11] I guess not [17:12] popey: not at all [17:12] popey: and you can underclock the memory for lower power / heat :p [17:14] I have >2k confirmations for my single transaction now [17:17] how do you get teh rcpusername/password? [17:22] andylockran: are you aiming at pool or solo [17:22] Azelphur: I'll ride solo I think :) [17:23] andylockran: what gpu? [17:23] (s)?) [17:23]