[02:44] Huh, to renew a vehicle registration online, you have to have the renewal notice. If they didn't sent a renewal notice, you can find out how much it is online but you can't pay it. [02:45] akk: this is true. [02:46] akk: you can also go to your local Auto Club office and renew it faster than at the DMV, if you are an Auto Club member. [02:46] I was wondering that! But I can't find anything on the AAA site saying whether they can renew if I don't have the notice. [02:46] Or whether they renew motorcycles, though I might hope so since it's insured through them. [02:46] Guess I'll call them tomorrow. [02:50] akk: yeah, I think I've always been able to find my notice. I can't imagine registration services are different based on vehicle type though. [03:00] if they didn't send a notice, there is nothing to renew [03:00] ha, I wish [03:02] ? [03:59] jyo_, pleia2: Can one of you check that the mails I sent you with gpg signatures actually work? It's been a while since I did this :) [04:48] rww: Worked for me. Thanks again. === jyo_ is now known as jyo [04:49] rww: I presume it is paranoid/courteous to encrypt the signature as well, correct? === BrightAmbition is now known as BirthdayGirl [14:27] hi [17:01] Happy Birthday to BirthdayGirl [17:03] looking for some input... i now have access to any size classroom at CSULA for anything ubuntu or linux related. Any suggestions as to what I can do? A big Ubuntu Hour? A LUG? [17:05] thx [17:05] :) [17:05] sorry i got sidetracked [17:05] lol [17:06] iheartubuntu: how long do you have access to it for? maybe some kind of intro to ubuntu class or something? (I seem to recall you said there is already a lug in your area) [17:09] there is a LUG meeting up in Pasadena every month which is pretty good... Brings anywhere from 20-30 people every month. CSULA is probably 5-8 miles south of that? [17:09] An Ubuntu intro sounds like fun [17:11] I pretty much have access to a room at time [17:12] I'll have to ask for how long [17:12] I like Ubuntu Hours but theres no much hands on stuff going on for us at our Pasadena UH [17:13] Would be nice to have something similar, but much more hands on. So people can play around with the OS, ask questions, etc [17:14] well, Ubuntu Hours are better in public places because then random people can drop by and ask you things [17:15] so far the only people that have asked us have been people who have heard of Ubuntu [17:15] so I think a "what is this ubuntu thing anyway?" with hands on demos and stuff is better for a classroom session :) [17:15] yah [17:15] and maybe with some flyers around campus we can hook some people who have never even heard of Ubuntu [17:16] 5 years ago everyone i talked to had never heard of it.... now thats definitely changing [17:16] * pleia2 nods [17:17] we've had people sitting near us in the coffee shop say things like "I've heard about it but I don't really understand what it is" [17:17] so we get to talk to them, it's cool :) [17:18] we had a guy, i tell you, was straight from jules verne era. as if he dropped in on us or something and was bubbling with enthusiasm when we showed him Ubuntu [17:18] iheartubuntu: care to blog about the awesome ubuntu earrings, $6 of which goes to partimus? :) http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4515 [17:19] maybe he will bring the disc back to his time era [17:19] yah sure! [17:20] Those earrings look really nice. [17:20] are those laser cut? [17:22] Boutique Academia had them made, so presumably it was with an outfit experienced with such things, not sure what they do to make them [17:22] not a do-it-yourself kinda thing [17:34] pleia2 - so maybe a 2 or 3 hour Ubuntu get together? Should I have possibly a 15 minute intro about Ubuntu and then a hands on thing? [17:35] did anyone see Super 8 over the weekend? Looks good [17:35] iheartubuntu: yeah that sounds fun :) [17:36] maybe some USB sticks with Ubuntu on them and a bunch of CDs [17:36] yeah [17:36] A hands-on event does sound like a lot of fun. [17:38] a couple weeks back I was sitting in on a live rehearsal of several different bands. some good stuff, some bad stuff :) i was asking them how they are making their music these days [17:38] they all said protools [17:38] i asked them was it expensive? [17:38] well we know how they obtained the software [17:39] i told them about ubuntu and they could use Ardour which is pretty close to protools [17:39] now everyone is emailing me [17:40] i helped one guy via chat install Ubuntu using Wubi and I was surprised Wubi does not offer which version of Ubuntu to install. My experience I remember Wubi had a drop down menu asking which version [17:40] this new Wubi just installs the latest version [17:41] and im not sure which it installed either... 32 or 64 bit [17:41] I imagine investing in the professional tools is one of the biggest investments an amateur musician has [17:41] ProTools is a software program [17:41] oh :) [17:41] expensive one [17:42] mostly its pirated [17:42] I think it ranges for $1000 on up [17:42] up to $10k for more features [17:42] wow [17:42] I know Ardour is a pretty good replacement for it rom what Ive seen [17:42] from [17:43] im sure it cant handle the 10k capabilities [17:43] but still. free is free [17:43] http://ardour.org/ [17:43] and even if it just measures up to the lower end version that's something :) [18:00] pleia2 do you know of any ubuntu intro slideshows available? i was just checking spreadubuntu and did not see anything [18:01] it's one of the things ubuntu-learning wanted to develop but we don't have the volunteers to do right now :( so no, I don't know of any off-hand right now [18:02] if you want to write some I'd be happy to proof them though (and adding them to spreadubuntu would be great) [18:05] iheartubuntu, pleia2 : isn't there an ubuntu intro book? wouldn't that work? [18:06] ok - i'll havw to whip somwething up [18:06] and put it on spreadubuntu [18:06] is there an intro book? [18:07] i think i'll first head to the ubuntu site and use some of the ubuntu tour points [18:07] i would need to highlight the key points people are most interested in [18:08] most of the books focus on gnome2, there may be a new one out that has unity stuff but I haven't kept an eye out [18:22] I didn't get very far in my attempt to write a Unity book. [18:22] Mostly lack of time. :( [18:33] the official natty docs were updated and have unity screenshots, so it is probably worth pulling from them some [18:33] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html [18:34] (and serious kudos to the docs team for pulling this off) [18:38] just be care to note the license (cc-by-sa) to give credit appropriately :) [19:05] pleia2: the docs team worked like crazy the last two weeks. It was pretty incredible. [19:07] yeah, they did [19:08] I actually was careful not to read it whenever possible because of the book project. But the screen shots were pretty. :) [19:09] And the GNOME 3 help is pretty nice, too. [19:14] nhaines, where can I find these docs? are they released? [19:17] they are the default docs that ship with 11.04, the link I gave above is the web version [19:39] pleia2: thanks, I didn't know about the Web version. I see it's just as nice as the desktop version. :) === rbarot__ is now known as rbarot_ [21:44] nhaines: it's now been a week and task is going strong, I think it's finally a solution I'll stick to :) [21:44] * pleia2 typically would go back to scraps of paper after a couple days [21:44] pleia2: yay! :) [21:45] Yeah, it's just Unixy enough that I find it charming. [21:49] the biggest problem with my scraps of paper method was that it had no history, the task reports are nice [21:50] scraps? [21:50] i finally converted all of my scraps to tomboy [21:50] :) [21:50] pleia2: yeah, plus you have to worry about lost clusters. ;) [21:50] god i feel efficient [21:51] I use 3 computers regularly, one of which is my chomebook, tomboy wasn't a good solution for me [21:51] needed something I could access from anywhere [21:51] so what do u use instead [21:51] pleia2: ssh is a good solution for everything. :) [21:52] iheartubuntu: she uses taskwarrior [21:52] the package in ubuntu is "task" [21:52] nhaines recommended it :) [21:52] pleia2: did you see the dependancy feature? :) [21:52] its available in chrome too? [21:52] http://taskwarrior.org [21:52] ohh command line [21:52] iheartubuntu: chromeos has an ssh terminal, I run it on my server with IRC and email and ssh to it [21:53] and it's simple for basic use, but highly extendable when you want to get complicated, just like any good ole unixy app should be :) [21:57] are there any SSH classes i cant take? :) i feel so alone [21:58] this has the basics: http://princessleia.com/sshscreen.php [21:59] (I wrote this for less techie friends on IRC who used to ask how I can stay on IRC all the time) [22:00] pleia2: that's cute. :) [22:00] * iheartubuntu r2d2 *chuckles* [22:00] iheartubuntu: these days all the machines on my network are named after astromech droids :) [22:01] (my servers are star wars planets) [22:01] My computers are named after biomes and my remote servers are supercontintents. [22:02] hehe [22:02] Which is why you saw vaalbara.nhaines.com a lot until I got my irssi script just the way I liked it. [22:04] yeah, we had a netsplit the other day which exposed coruscant.princessleia.com (which I like! I just keep the member cloak so I can +o in channels where only ubuntu member cloaks folks can, sad sad) [22:05] Haha, yeah, I really like vaalbara.nhaines.com. :) [22:06] there's also irccloud.com [22:06] (which i have invites for, if anybody wants them) [22:07] Ooh, that's kinda cool. [22:07] SSH looks more like working though, so... :) [22:07] pleia2: speaking of GNU screen, I'm in love with Byobu! [22:07] nhaines: really? I found it horribly noisy [22:08] same reason I have my cloak ;( [22:08] reminds me, I need to poke the IRC cabal about irccloud.com [22:08] I think dustin was going to add a "turn off all noise" option, not sure if he has [22:09] rww: Hey, so everything worked out, key-signing-wise. [22:09] jyo: looks that way, yes :) [22:10] pleia2: yup! you can turn off a lot of the status indicators and I don't use it locally unless I'm going to be signing in and out but for remote access it's really handy. [22:10] well, between us. some people haven't done their post-keysigning stuff yet. [22:10] broder: can I get one, please? [22:11] rww: oops, did I not send you your key? [22:11] * pleia2 frowns at sent box [22:11] pleia2: nope ;P [22:11] oops, sec [22:11] * rww figures an irccloud might be useful if we decide to do something complicated to exempt irccloud users [22:11] rww: sure, just PM me your e-mail [22:11] broder: rww at ubuntu.com [22:11] sent [22:12] thanks [22:12] rww: that's handy. [22:12] Okay, so for devin, I need to sign that four word blurb he gave me? [22:12] jyo: no idea. I just did my usual sign-and-encrypt-and-attach on the key signatures and asked him to let me know what to do with the phrase if he wanted me to use it. [22:13] though I also said something along the lines of "screw this, you admin devin.com, there's no point in me sending individual emails to each UID on there", so I am perhaps not a good role model [22:14] web of trust! [22:15] * nhaines sighs. [22:16] Font rendering in Windows XP makes me a sad panda. [22:20] for devin I just did --clear-sign on a text file I created with his phrase [22:20] rww: Was --output foo.asc working for you when exporting the signature? For some reason, didn't work for me and pleia2 [22:21] jyo: you need to put --output before --export [22:21] jyo: no, I just ended up piping it with > [22:21] rww: aha! [22:21] * pleia2 goes to update docs (I swear it used to work the other way) [22:21] Pipes are amazing things. [22:21] probably did, I've noticed myself tripping over gpg order a few times recently and don't remember it being a problem in the past [22:22] s/order/options order/ [22:22] pleia2: oh the philly guide assumes the signature files aren't encrypted? [22:22] its 3+ months since i last ordered from the Ubuntu software center. Anyone interested in ordering anything? [22:22] I'll post to the mailing list in the next day or so [22:24] iheartubuntu: I trust you mean the Canonical Store? [22:24] ohhh yah [22:24] duh [22:24] That is a really handsome laptop sleeve they have there which I would never use. [22:25] i was in the software center :) [22:25] good thing i wasnt in the terminal [22:25] heh [22:25] at least you van order from the software center [22:25] *can [22:26] I ordered Vendetta Online. [22:26] I'd order Uplink but I'm pretty sure I can find my CD copy if I look hard enough. [22:28] pleia2 are there any more 10.10 discs available from the CA team? [22:28] I have about 30 left from ordering from the store last time. official discs are hot items :) [22:29] people not keen on Unity or something? [22:29] i dont have any unity discs, just 1010 [22:29] but everyone from the cal tech LUG all pretty much... ummm... are not fans of unity [22:29] iheartubuntu: no, we got rid of the last 10.10 ones at scale back in february [22:29] and the burned ones I brought home are gone too [22:30] ok [22:30] (were given to the local hackerspace and some folks who needed them in san jose) [22:30] when i get this thing set up at CSULA i was wondering if you could spot me 10 nattys or something [22:31] i noticed most lug users there were ubuntu users (one guy had chrome opened up with my chrome app on his dash :) ) but there was talk of people switching distros over natty [22:31] im fine with natty once kinks get worked out [22:32] iheartubuntu: can you check with DarkwingDuck? I sent him a big package and he said he'd share with LA [22:33] I can certainly send more down, but I sent down a big batch so I wouldn't need to make lots of shipments :) [22:33] k [22:33] dear darkwingduck [22:34] i'll burn some discs as backup [22:34] just let me know if he can't spare them, we do have more [22:36] k [22:38] Yes? I can spare. [22:39] Now someone just has to fuel up and start driving. [22:40] what, LA and SD aren't 20 minutes apart? :) [22:40] oh, 2 hours! [22:41] pleia2: 3-4 with traffic! [22:41] that's unpleasant [22:41] Indeed. :) [22:41] pleia2: it's socal, of course it's unpleasant [22:41] zing [22:42] we're thinking of going to monterey for the 4th of july is that midcal? [22:42] you could get there quicker in a hot air ballon [22:42] yah [22:42] im thinking of lake tahoe... supposed to have biggest and longest fireworks show west of the mississippi [22:44] pleia2: that's still northern California. [22:44] nhaines: ah, ok [22:44] Driving around Lake Tahoe sounds fun until you actually do it. [22:45] And even though we never talk about it (because there's nothing to say), between SoCal and NorCal is "central California". ;) [22:45] I suspect the 4th is a big holiday there too [22:45] lol [22:45] we drove to vegas last 4th of july, it was very busy, and hot (and driving there is for crazy people) [22:45] and our car was all "why are you driving me in a desert in july :(" [22:46] "Central California" is the mind-numbingly boring part of the drive down I-5. NorCal is anything north of that, SoCal is anything south of that. Problem solved! [22:47] there are lots of signs telling me that central california is a congress-created dust bowl [22:47] driving down I-5 [22:47] * pleia2 didn't realize that water rights were still a political thing here until moving out here [22:47] Also fun: Smelling cows before you see them. [22:48] yeah, I lived in eastern pennsylvania so the cow thing is not new [22:48] Last time I drove up there with the kids we passed a huge dust devil and they pointed out the window and said "look! a vortex!" [22:48] pleia2: Sacramento delta, basically [22:49] vortex++ [22:49] pleia2: they recognized it from the vortex created by bathwater running down the drain. :) [22:49] hehe [22:50] it was also interesting seeing all the oil wells near bakersfield [22:50] Bart vs. Australia. Decent Episode. [22:50] so I actually don't regret doing the drive, once [22:51] cow tipping? [22:51] pleia2 - i dont know but when i grew up the entire central valley was lush green [22:52] i like the 101 drive better than 5 [22:58] 5 is less stress [22:58] and 101 has a speed trap with a limit of something like 25 near king city [23:25] broder: irccloud users should now be able to talk in #ubuntu [23:26] rww: nooo! but my excuse for never going in there...! [23:26] :-P [23:26] hehe :) [23:26] haha [23:26] isn't irccloud a paid service? [23:27] not yet [23:27] but yes, once it goes out of beta [23:27] (s/once/if/) [23:28] i don't see the point of it [23:28] two things: (a) it's a web-based irc service so i can use it from any machine with a web browser [23:28] a la mibbit [23:28] (b) it leaves me logged in when i don't have the window open [23:28] mibbit is banned from freenode [23:29] rww: i know [23:29] hidemyass is banned too, i think [23:35] sn9: it's web-based screen+irssi for people who don't want the complexity or the power. :) [23:36] oh. [23:46] so broder is on irccloud