[02:44] <akk> Huh, to renew a vehicle registration online, you have to have the renewal notice. If they didn't sent a renewal notice, you can find out how much it is online but you can't pay it.
[02:45] <nhaines> akk: this is true.
[02:46] <nhaines> akk: you can also go to your local Auto Club office and renew it faster than at the DMV, if you are an Auto Club member.
[02:46] <akk> I was wondering that! But I can't find anything on the AAA site saying whether they can renew if I don't have the notice.
[02:46] <akk> Or whether they renew motorcycles, though I might hope so since it's insured through them.
[02:46] <akk> Guess I'll call them tomorrow.
[02:50] <nhaines> akk: yeah, I think I've always been able to find my notice.  I can't imagine registration services are different based on vehicle type though.
[03:00] <sn9> if they didn't send a notice, there is nothing to renew
[03:00] <akk> ha, I wish
[03:02] <sn9> ?
[03:59] <rww> jyo_, pleia2: Can one of you check that the mails I sent you with gpg signatures actually work? It's been a while since I did this :)
[04:48] <jyo_> rww: Worked for me. Thanks again.
[04:49] <jyo> rww: I presume it is paranoid/courteous to encrypt the signature as well, correct?
[14:27] <BirthdayGirl> hi
[17:01] <iheartubuntu> Happy Birthday to BirthdayGirl
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> looking for some input... i now have access to any size classroom at CSULA for anything ubuntu or linux related. Any suggestions as to what I can do? A big Ubuntu Hour? A LUG?
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> thx
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> :)
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> sorry i got sidetracked
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> lol
[17:06] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: how long do you have access to it for? maybe some kind of intro to ubuntu class or something? (I seem to recall you said there is already a lug in your area)
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> there is a LUG meeting up in Pasadena every month which is pretty good... Brings anywhere from 20-30 people every month. CSULA is probably 5-8 miles south of that?
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> An Ubuntu intro sounds like fun
[17:11] <iheartubuntu> I pretty much have access to a room at time
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> I'll have to ask for how long
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> I like Ubuntu Hours but theres no much hands on stuff going on for us at our Pasadena UH
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> Would be nice to have something similar, but much more hands on. So people can play around with the OS, ask questions, etc
[17:14] <pleia2> well, Ubuntu Hours are better in public places because then random people can drop by and ask you things
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> so far the only people that have asked us have been people who have heard of Ubuntu
[17:15] <pleia2> so I think a "what is this ubuntu thing anyway?" with hands on demos and stuff is better for a classroom session :)
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> yah
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> and maybe with some flyers around campus we can hook some people who have never even heard of Ubuntu
[17:16] <iheartubuntu> 5 years ago everyone i talked to had never heard of it.... now thats definitely changing
[17:16]  * pleia2 nods
[17:17] <pleia2> we've had people sitting near us in the coffee shop say things like "I've heard about it but I don't really understand what it is"
[17:17] <pleia2> so we get to talk to them, it's cool :)
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> we had a guy, i tell you, was straight from jules verne era. as if he dropped in on us or something and was bubbling with enthusiasm when we showed him Ubuntu
[17:18] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: care to blog about the awesome ubuntu earrings, $6 of which goes to partimus? :) http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4515
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> maybe he will bring the disc back to his time era
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> yah sure!
[17:20] <akk> Those earrings look really nice.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> are those laser cut?
[17:22] <pleia2> Boutique Academia had them made, so presumably it was with an outfit experienced with such things, not sure what they do to make them
[17:22] <pleia2> not a do-it-yourself kinda thing
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - so maybe a 2 or 3 hour Ubuntu get together? Should I have possibly a 15 minute intro about Ubuntu and then a hands on thing?
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> did anyone see Super 8 over the weekend? Looks good
[17:35] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah that sounds fun :)
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> maybe some USB sticks with Ubuntu on them and a bunch of CDs
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah
[17:36] <akk> A hands-on event does sound like a lot of fun.
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> a couple weeks back I was sitting in on a live rehearsal of several different bands. some good stuff, some bad stuff :) i was asking them how they are making their music these days
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> they all said protools
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> i asked them was it expensive?
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> well we know how they obtained the software
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> i told them about ubuntu and they could use Ardour which is pretty close to protools
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> now everyone is emailing me
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> i helped one guy via chat install Ubuntu using Wubi and I was surprised Wubi does not offer which version of Ubuntu to install. My experience I remember Wubi had a drop down menu asking which version
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> this new Wubi just installs the latest version
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> and im not sure which it installed either... 32 or 64 bit
[17:41] <pleia2> I imagine investing in the professional tools is one of the biggest investments an amateur musician has
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> ProTools is a software program
[17:41] <pleia2> oh :)
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> expensive one
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> mostly its pirated
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> I think it ranges for $1000 on up
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> up to $10k for more features
[17:42] <pleia2> wow
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> I know Ardour is a pretty good replacement for it rom what Ive seen
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> from
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> im sure it cant handle the 10k capabilities
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> but still. free is free
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> http://ardour.org/
[17:43] <pleia2> and even if it just measures up to the lower end version that's something :)
[18:00] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 do you know of any ubuntu intro slideshows available? i was just checking spreadubuntu and did not see anything
[18:01] <pleia2> it's one of the things ubuntu-learning wanted to develop but we don't have the volunteers to do right now :( so no, I don't know of any off-hand right now
[18:02] <pleia2> if you want to write some I'd be happy to proof them though (and adding them to spreadubuntu would be great)
[18:05] <yantrashilpi> iheartubuntu, pleia2 : isn't there an ubuntu intro book? wouldn't that work?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> ok - i'll havw to whip somwething up
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> and put it on spreadubuntu
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> is there an intro book?
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> i think i'll first head to the ubuntu site and use some of the ubuntu tour points
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> i would need to highlight the key points people are most interested in
[18:08] <pleia2> most of the books focus on gnome2, there may be a new one out that has unity stuff but I haven't kept an eye out
[18:22] <nhaines> I didn't get very far in my attempt to write a Unity book.
[18:22] <nhaines> Mostly lack of time.  :(
[18:33] <pleia2> the official natty docs were updated and have unity screenshots, so it is probably worth pulling from them some
[18:33] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html
[18:34] <pleia2> (and serious kudos to the docs team for pulling this off)
[18:38] <pleia2> just be care to note the license (cc-by-sa) to give credit appropriately :)
[19:05] <nhaines> pleia2: the docs team worked like crazy the last two weeks.  It was pretty incredible.
[19:07] <pleia2> yeah, they did
[19:08] <nhaines> I actually was careful not to read it whenever possible because of the book project.  But the screen shots were pretty.  :)
[19:09] <nhaines> And the GNOME 3 help is pretty nice, too.
[19:14] <yantrashilpi> nhaines, where can I find these docs? are they released?
[19:17] <pleia2> they are the default docs that ship with 11.04, the link I gave above is the web version
[19:39] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks, I didn't know about the Web version.  I see it's just as nice as the desktop version.  :)
[21:44] <pleia2> nhaines: it's now been a week and task is going strong, I think it's finally a solution I'll stick to :)
[21:44]  * pleia2 typically would go back to scraps of paper after a couple days
[21:44] <nhaines> pleia2: yay! :)
[21:45] <nhaines> Yeah, it's just Unixy enough that I find it charming.
[21:49] <pleia2> the biggest problem with my scraps of paper method was that it had no history, the task reports are nice
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> scraps?
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> i finally converted all of my scraps to tomboy
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> :)
[21:50] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah, plus you have to worry about lost clusters.  ;)
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> god i feel efficient
[21:51] <pleia2> I use 3 computers regularly, one of which is my chomebook, tomboy wasn't a good solution for me
[21:51] <pleia2> needed something I could access from anywhere
[21:51] <iheartubuntu> so what do u use instead
[21:51] <nhaines> pleia2: ssh is a good solution for everything.  :)
[21:52] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: she uses taskwarrior
[21:52] <pleia2> the package in ubuntu is "task"
[21:52] <pleia2> nhaines recommended it :)
[21:52] <nhaines> pleia2: did you see the dependancy feature?  :)
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> its available in chrome too?
[21:52] <pleia2> http://taskwarrior.org
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> ohh command line
[21:52] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: chromeos has an ssh terminal, I run it on my server with IRC and email and ssh to it
[21:53] <pleia2> and it's simple for basic use, but highly extendable when you want to get complicated, just like any good ole unixy app should be :)
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> are there any SSH classes i cant take? :) i feel so alone
[21:58] <pleia2> this has the basics: http://princessleia.com/sshscreen.php
[21:59] <pleia2> (I wrote this for less techie friends on IRC who used to ask how I can stay on IRC all the time)
[22:00] <nhaines> pleia2: that's cute.  :)
[22:00]  * iheartubuntu r2d2 *chuckles*
[22:00] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: these days all the machines on my network are named after astromech droids :)
[22:01] <pleia2> (my servers are star wars planets)
[22:01] <nhaines> My computers are named after biomes and my remote servers are supercontintents.
[22:02] <pleia2> hehe
[22:02] <nhaines> Which is why you saw vaalbara.nhaines.com a lot until I got my irssi script just the way I liked it.
[22:04] <pleia2> yeah, we had a netsplit the other day which exposed coruscant.princessleia.com (which I like! I just keep the member cloak so I can +o in channels where only ubuntu member cloaks folks can, sad sad)
[22:05] <nhaines> Haha, yeah, I really like vaalbara.nhaines.com.  :)
[22:06] <broder> there's also irccloud.com
[22:06] <broder> (which i have invites for, if anybody wants them)
[22:07] <nhaines> Ooh, that's kinda cool.
[22:07] <nhaines> SSH looks more like working though, so...  :)
[22:07] <nhaines> pleia2: speaking of GNU screen, I'm in love with Byobu!
[22:07] <pleia2> nhaines: really? I found it horribly noisy
[22:08] <rww> same reason I have my cloak ;(
[22:08] <rww> reminds me, I need to poke the IRC cabal about irccloud.com
[22:08] <pleia2> I think dustin was going to add a "turn off all noise" option, not sure if he has
[22:09] <jyo> rww: Hey, so everything worked out, key-signing-wise.
[22:09] <rww> jyo: looks that way, yes :)
[22:10] <nhaines> pleia2: yup!  you can turn off a lot of the status indicators and I don't use it locally unless I'm going to be signing in and out but for remote access it's really handy.
[22:10] <rww> well, between us. some people haven't done their post-keysigning stuff yet.
[22:10] <rww> broder: can I get one, please?
[22:11] <pleia2> rww: oops, did I not send you your key?
[22:11]  * pleia2 frowns at sent box
[22:11] <rww> pleia2: nope ;P
[22:11] <pleia2> oops, sec
[22:11]  * rww figures an irccloud might be useful if we decide to do something complicated to exempt irccloud users
[22:11] <broder> rww: sure, just PM me your e-mail
[22:11] <rww> broder: rww at ubuntu.com
[22:11] <broder> sent
[22:12] <rww> thanks
[22:12] <nhaines> rww: that's handy.
[22:12] <jyo> Okay, so for devin, I need to sign that four word blurb he gave me?
[22:12] <rww> jyo: no idea. I just did my usual sign-and-encrypt-and-attach on the key signatures and asked him to let me know what to do with the phrase if he wanted me to use it.
[22:13] <rww> though I also said something along the lines of "screw this, you admin devin.com, there's no point in me sending individual emails to each UID on there", so I am perhaps not a good role model
[22:14] <nhaines> web of trust!
[22:15]  * nhaines sighs.
[22:16] <nhaines> Font rendering in Windows XP makes me a sad panda.
[22:20] <pleia2> for devin I just did --clear-sign on a text file I created with his phrase
[22:20] <jyo> rww: Was --output foo.asc working for you when exporting the signature? For some reason, didn't work for me and pleia2
[22:21] <rww> jyo: you need to put --output before --export
[22:21] <pleia2> jyo: no, I just ended up piping it with >
[22:21] <pleia2> rww: aha!
[22:21]  * pleia2 goes to update docs (I swear it used to work the other way)
[22:21] <nhaines> Pipes are amazing things.
[22:21] <rww> probably did, I've noticed myself tripping over gpg order a few times recently and don't remember it being a problem in the past
[22:22] <rww> s/order/options order/
[22:22] <jyo> pleia2: oh the philly guide assumes the signature files aren't encrypted?
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> its 3+ months since i last ordered from the Ubuntu software center. Anyone interested in ordering anything?
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> I'll post to the mailing list in the next day or so
[22:24] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I trust you mean the Canonical Store?
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> ohhh yah
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> duh
[22:24] <nhaines> That is a really handsome laptop sleeve they have there which I would never use.
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> i was in the software center :)
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> good thing i wasnt in the terminal
[22:25] <nhaines> heh
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> at least you van order from the software center
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> *can
[22:26] <nhaines> I ordered Vendetta Online.
[22:26] <nhaines> I'd order Uplink but I'm pretty sure I can find my CD copy if I look hard enough.
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 are there any more 10.10 discs available from the CA team?
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> I have about 30 left from ordering from the store last time. official discs are hot items :)
[22:29] <rww> people not keen on Unity or something?
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> i dont have any unity discs, just 1010
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> but everyone from the cal tech LUG all pretty much... ummm... are not fans of unity
[22:29] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: no, we got rid of the last 10.10 ones at scale back in february
[22:29] <pleia2> and the burned ones I brought home are gone too
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> ok
[22:30] <pleia2> (were given to the local hackerspace and some folks who needed them in san jose)
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> when i get this thing set up at CSULA i was wondering if you could spot me 10 nattys or something
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> i noticed most lug users there were ubuntu users (one guy had chrome opened up with my chrome app on his dash :) ) but there was talk of people switching distros over natty
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> im fine with natty once kinks get worked out
[22:32] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: can you check with DarkwingDuck? I sent him a big package and he said he'd share with LA
[22:33] <pleia2> I can certainly send more down, but I sent down a big batch so I wouldn't need to make lots of shipments :)
[22:33] <iheartubuntu> k
[22:33] <iheartubuntu> dear darkwingduck
[22:34] <iheartubuntu> i'll burn some discs as backup
[22:34] <pleia2> just let me know if he can't spare them, we do have more
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> k
[22:38] <DarkwingDuck> Yes? I can spare.
[22:39] <nhaines> Now someone just has to fuel up and start driving.
[22:40] <pleia2> what, LA and SD aren't 20 minutes apart? :)
[22:40] <pleia2> oh, 2 hours!
[22:41] <nhaines> pleia2: 3-4 with traffic!
[22:41] <pleia2> that's unpleasant
[22:41] <nhaines> Indeed.  :)
[22:41] <rww> pleia2: it's socal, of course it's unpleasant
[22:41] <pleia2> zing
[22:42] <pleia2> we're thinking of going to monterey for the 4th of july is that midcal?
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> you could get there quicker in a  hot air ballon
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> yah
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> im thinking of lake tahoe... supposed to have biggest and longest fireworks show west of the mississippi
[22:44] <nhaines> pleia2: that's still northern California.
[22:44] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, ok
[22:44] <jyo> Driving around Lake Tahoe sounds fun until you actually do it.
[22:45] <nhaines> And even though we never talk about it (because there's nothing to say), between SoCal and NorCal is "central California".  ;)
[22:45] <pleia2> I suspect the 4th is a big holiday there too
[22:45] <pleia2> lol
[22:45] <pleia2> we drove to vegas last 4th of july, it was very busy, and hot (and driving there is for crazy people)
[22:45] <pleia2> and our car was all "why are you driving me in a desert in july :("
[22:46] <rww> "Central California" is the mind-numbingly boring part of the drive down I-5. NorCal is anything north of that, SoCal is anything south of that. Problem solved!
[22:47] <pleia2> there are lots of signs telling me that central california is a congress-created dust bowl
[22:47] <pleia2> driving down I-5
[22:47]  * pleia2 didn't realize that water rights were still a political thing here until moving out here
[22:47] <jyo> Also fun: Smelling cows before you see them.
[22:48] <pleia2> yeah, I lived in eastern pennsylvania so the cow thing is not new
[22:48] <nhaines> Last time I drove up there with the kids we passed a huge dust devil and they pointed out the window and said "look! a vortex!"
[22:48] <jyo> pleia2: Sacramento delta, basically
[22:49] <pleia2> vortex++
[22:49] <nhaines> pleia2: they recognized it from the vortex created by bathwater running down the drain.  :)
[22:49] <pleia2> hehe
[22:50] <pleia2> it was also interesting seeing all the oil wells near bakersfield
[22:50] <jyo> Bart vs. Australia. Decent Episode.
[22:50] <pleia2> so I actually don't regret doing the drive, once
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> cow tipping?
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - i dont know but when i grew up the entire central valley was lush green
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> i like the 101 drive better than 5
[22:58] <sn9> 5 is less stress
[22:58] <sn9> and 101 has a speed trap with a limit of something like 25 near king city
[23:25] <rww> broder: irccloud users should now be able to talk in #ubuntu
[23:26] <broder> rww: nooo! but my excuse for never going in there...!
[23:26] <broder> :-P
[23:26] <rww> hehe :)
[23:26] <pleia2> haha
[23:26] <sn9> isn't irccloud a paid service?
[23:27] <broder> not yet
[23:27] <broder> but yes, once it goes out of beta
[23:27] <broder> (s/once/if/)
[23:28] <sn9> i don't see the point of it
[23:28] <broder> two things: (a) it's a web-based irc service so i can use it from any machine with a web browser
[23:28] <sn9> a la mibbit
[23:28] <broder> (b) it leaves me logged in when i don't have the window open
[23:28] <rww> mibbit is banned from freenode
[23:29] <sn9> rww: i know
[23:29] <sn9> hidemyass is banned too, i think
[23:35] <nhaines> sn9: it's web-based screen+irssi for people who don't want the complexity or the power.  :)
[23:36] <sn9> oh.
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> so broder is on irccloud