/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/13/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

snap-lYeah, working here as well00:01
snap-las for posting a comment, though....00:01
snap-lnotsomuch00:01
rick_h_ugh, I've not had any time to hack this week :/00:02
snap-lToo busy with work?00:03
rick_h_work + wife's had stuff.00:03
snap-lUgh00:03
rick_h_it's this month. Wife has things every weekend day00:03
rick_h_just buried, getting ancy00:03
snap-lI finally got a Bicycle Repair Manual00:03
snap-lwhich, coindicentally is the name of the book I bought00:04
rick_h_reading this start small stay small business book and that's not helping, prodding00:04
rick_h_awesome! I need to get my bike in00:04
rick_h_hah00:04
snap-lYeah, I want to do more riding00:04
snap-lGetting a little annoyed that it's June, and my bike has been unridden for over a year.00:04
rick_h_yea00:05
brouschsnap-l: my boy is getting better on the drums. he's almost reached your skill level http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygb3S5nbGTA00:28
greg-ghuh: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlEOoO4Ozn9IdFRjRUdYWndTekotQnc1Q3pIU1hEQ0E&hl=en_US#gid=001:35
rick_h_hmm01:35
Lledargogreg-g: probably: http://abock.org/2010/07/13/amazon-mp3-store-in-banshee01:37
snap-l"On the other hand, the document also confirms that AT&T plans to dismantle T-Mobile’s existing 3G network, and redeploy that as LTE. This, in turn, will make the 3G devices currently owned by T-Mobile customers useless for anything beyond very slow data service and voice calls."01:57
snap-lhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/ATandTMobile-Slam-Merger-Opponents-in-FCC-Motion-188346/01:57
snap-lYeah, that's totally pro-consumer.01:57
rick_h_they're just going to have to offer new phones02:00
rick_h_only problem will be what phones you get02:00
LledargoThey are also putting bandwidth caps on their DSL lines.02:12
greg-gLledargo: yeah, that is a bit old of a post. I was more looking at the downward slope now that Amazon is no longer the default music store in Ubuntu's Banshee package02:23
rick_h_right, but do we know much else besides the total?02:23
greg-gnope02:24
rick_h_far be it for me to stand up for Canonical, but is it the people that used to buy stopping, lower $$ for same number of sells, etc?02:24
greg-gwhich is why all I had to say initially was "huh" ;)02:24
rick_h_there could be a lot of stuff inside of there02:24
rick_h_gotcha02:24
greg-gjust interesting02:24
rick_h_yea, but I don't want to even start the discussion without more details that just totals02:25
greg-gI just saw that GBurt updated the spreadsheet (it is listed in my google docs and I was loking for something else)02:25
rick_h_not without my flame suit on02:25
greg-goh, totally02:25
snap-lbrousch: My Sister-in-law approves of your award. :)02:34
brouschexcellent02:35
brouschwho is will fuqua?02:42
rick_h_Blazeix02:42
brouschokie02:43
snap-lAll I have to say is there's a lot of fucking Doctor Who on flickr.03:46
Team-XlinkWow, I just found where Gmail saves the chat files.04:32
* Team-Xlink face palms.04:32
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snap-lGood morning12:52
rick_h_morning12:55
brouschohman, so tempted. viewsonic gtablet for $269. cyanogenmod supports it12:58
snap-lMan, I'm an idiot.12:58
snap-lWondering why my network is so slow. Forgot that I was downloading TWiT.12:58
rick_h_really? Downloading a podcast makes a noticable hit on your network?12:58
rick_h_or do you mean video?12:58
snap-lvideo12:59
rick_h_ah, gotcha12:59
rick_h_sorry, monday...12:59
snap-lNo problem.12:59
greg-gg'morn13:07
snap-lGod morning13:08
snap-lGood morning, too13:08
Wolfgermorning13:15
Wolfger"Have an adjective-free morning!"... that has potential.13:16
Wolfgerbut I suspect "adjective-free" is itself an adjective. Conundrum.13:16
snap-l:)13:19
snap-lIs there a problem with half the internet, or is it just me?13:20
Wolfgermaybe your half. Not my half.13:20
rick_h_nothing here so far13:20
snap-lHmmm... several sites that I've hit are AWOL13:27
snap-lboth of which are not Chrysler approved, I'm sure. ;)13:27
snap-lOK, I think it was just temporary.13:28
LledargoWolfger: "Have a very non-descriptive, from lack of adjectives, morning."13:29
Wolfgerthank you. I'm sure I will13:31
WolfgerAh, good old American prudishness... http://www.freep.com/article/20110612/COL01/106120454/Mitch-Albom-That-s-not-what-you-do-with-a-camera13:32
WolfgerMitch seems to forget that before cameras were artists and sculptors capturing images of nude bodies...13:33
snap-lI thought Mitch Albom gave up writing and became Oprah13:34
greg-galrighty, going down periscope. microblogs and irc are now closed....13:44
* greg-g waves!13:44
brouschwow, my summer schedule is packed. i'm really gonna need a better organizational/todo thingy13:47
Wolfger"Biggest stories of 2011"..... Aren't they, oh, 6 months too early for that? Or at least 5 months too early?13:49
Wolfgerbrousch: better todo lists don't magically give you more time. ;-)13:50
brouschright, but they will help me sort priorities and not forget stuff13:51
snap-lWolfger: Bah, never let reality get in the way of a good headline14:05
snap-lbrousch: Nothing, save for you, can set priorities14:05
snap-land priorities are very ephemeral14:05
brouschi need to see all my commitments in one place to determine priorities14:05
snap-lHavei I mentioned GTD lately?14:06
brouschug14:06
snap-lEven though I'm the shittiest practitioner of GTD, it's what works best for me14:06
snap-lThing is, in order to have it all in front of you, you'll need to capture it all14:07
snap-lclarify it all14:07
snap-land keep it all current14:07
snap-lotherwise you'll look at a list, and remember there's something else out there that you're not tracking that might be more important14:08
WolfgerWhich makes it yet another T to GD14:08
snap-lWolfger: You're doing it anyway, just half-assed. ;)14:08
Wolfgeron a good day14:09
Wolfgerquarter-assed typically14:09
Wolfgereighth some days14:09
snap-lHeh14:09
Wolfger"firefighter" is an honorable trade...14:11
Wolfgerwell, in modern times at least. Not back when they went around setting fires so they could loot houses....14:12
Wolfgerthe problem with being proactive is that nobody really appreciates what you do.14:12
WolfgerIf you wait until it becomes a huge issue and then deal with it well and quickly, your efforts are given much more appreciation.14:13
snap-lWolfger: Think of it as negative reinforcement14:13
snap-lnobody appreciates what you do, but everyone can get on your case for things you don't do14:13
snap-lincluding you14:13
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snap-lAnd now time for conference call #115:56
snap-lPassword should be between 8-10 characters16:14
snap-l(sigh)16:14
rick_h_between?16:15
rick_h_we had a password rant this weekend while playing cards with the neighbors16:15
devinheitmuellerSure, between, as in > 8 and < 10.  ;-)16:16
snap-ldevinheitmueller: Well, it's nice of them to narrow down the rainbow-table, assuming they're even using some encryption16:17
devinheitmuellerheh16:17
snap-lSeriously, shaXsum with some salt16:18
snap-lThen I could enter in the Gettysburg address as my password, and your app won't care.16:18
greg-goh stupid python question. How can I iterate over to variables in a for loop. I want to do: for i in range(1,100) and x in range(500,600): # the syntax is my question, of course :)16:20
rick_h_for i,v in zip(range(1,100), range(500, 600))16:21
rick_h_http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#zip16:21
greg-goh, neat, thanks!16:21
rick_h_and use xrange vs range16:21
Wolfgerdouble sigh....16:22
greg-ghuh, re: xrange, I didn't see that before. Thanks.16:23
Wolfger"between 8 and 10" is 9, and wtf are you doing limiting the number of characters?16:23
rick_h_greg-g: yea, more profecient since it doens't wait to build the lists first16:23
rick_h_less in memory16:23
greg-gI like16:23
greg-gI'm working with iterations of a 1000, so useful16:24
rick_h_definitely16:24
snap-lYay, won an auction for highlights from Wendy Carlos' Switched on Boxed Set.16:34
snap-lI think that's the only way I'm going to be able to hear this damn thing16:34
brouschi made this theme music for an intro to a video series from CoNGA-WM. opinions? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM.mp316:39
snap-lA bit noisy.16:40
jrwrensnap-l: highlights?16:40
snap-ljrwren: Yeah, it's a promo CD>16:40
snap-lso it has a few tracks from each of the discs.16:40
brouschnoisy?16:40
jrwren1992 - Switched on Bach 2000  ?16:41
snap-ljrwren: No, the original16:41
jrwren1968?16:41
snap-lYes, It was re-released in 199916:41
snap-lSwitched on Bach, Switched on Bach II, Switched on Brandenburgs, and The Well-Tempered Synthesizer16:44
rick_h_anyone know how to do a 'print' in sql say in postgresql scripts?16:47
snap-lbrousch: Not sure what the scratching is for?16:47
snap-lIt doesn't make sense for the piece.16:47
brouschturning on the electrical drums16:47
snap-lAnd what's the ending for?16:48
snap-lI guess I need to see it in context. ;)16:48
brouschit's just an intro sound16:48
brouschto a videocast16:49
snap-lbrousch: If I heard that whole thing through my speakers, I'd wonder what went wrong16:49
snap-lI'd start checking network connections, md5sums of the files, etc.16:49
brouschi found a shorter end scratchy thing (unplugging)16:49
brouschi guess i don't know how to end a song. i cop out by cutting it off with a sound effect16:58
snap-lHeh17:01
greg-g"better to not run your code and let others think it doesn't work than to run it and remove all doubt"17:12
snap-lbrousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yyn/17:12
rick_h_greg-g: awesome reuse17:12
greg-grick_h_: :) thanks17:12
rick_h_"I think it'll work..."17:13
rick_h_"Did you test it?"17:13
rick_h_"Well, not exactly..."17:13
greg-g:)17:13
greg-gI'm at the point right now17:13
snap-lselect 'Testing'17:13
greg-gnow to get the data ready17:13
snap-lBah, scrollback confusion.17:13
rick_h_snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/341/17:14
rick_h_is what I'm messing with trying to get working17:14
snap-lrick_h_: Without seeing the data, I'm not sure what you're trying to do17:15
rick_h_create a cursor17:15
rick_h_based off a query17:15
greg-gI have one of those, it points at things17:15
rick_h_heh, yea17:15
greg-gsorry, ignore me17:15
* greg-g goes back down periscope17:15
snap-lrick_h_: I'm nto sure, but I think you're missing a step17:22
snap-lie: opening the cursor17:22
rick_h_yea, tried that. Get a syntax error if I open it17:22
rick_h_http://paste.mitechie.com/show/342/ works17:22
rick_h_so I don't think I need the open17:22
snap-lAh, cool17:26
snap-lPostgreSQL: Everything is possible17:27
rick_h_except what I want to do :P17:27
snap-lMySQL: Everything is possible (with a different engine)17:27
WolfgerMS-SQL?17:33
jrwrenhttp://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/06/interview-with-barton-george-from-dell-cloud/   HOT17:42
jrwrennothing is possible.17:43
jrwren^^ MSSQL17:43
Blazeixdude, with MSSQL you can directly query excel files! what more would you need?17:44
jrwrenpaged queries.17:45
Blazeixexcel has sheets. Done.17:45
jrwreni don't even know what taht means.17:45
BlazeixI know. I'm not seriously recommending using excel files.17:46
Wolfgeryes he is17:47
snap-lWell, that was fun17:47
snap-lgnome-settings-daemon got to about 809G of virtual memory used.17:47
Wolfger\o/17:47
greg-gwell, it is running now, lets see if it does the right thing... (it takes a good long time to run)18:04
brouschsnap-l: nice music clip. did you make it?18:05
snap-lYeah18:05
snap-lusing LMMS18:05
brouschthat thump right at the end is what i was thinking, but couldn't figure out how to do it18:05
snap-lIt's bassdrum_acoustic_1, iirc18:06
brouschi only have the mbp today, so i was using garageband18:06
brouschsnap-l: would you license that for my use?18:12
snap-lSure thing18:12
snap-lBY-SA18:12
greg-ggood thing the channel is logged, now we have proof :)18:12
brouschhow should i acknowledge you?18:13
snap-lCraig Maloney18:13
brouschI mean, you want a link or something?18:14
snap-lYeah, that would work18:14
snap-lLink to http://decafbad.net18:14
snap-lThe bassline comes from LMMS18:15
snap-ltechno_bass02.ogg18:21
brouschDo I have to note that?18:22
brouschwow, ogg is a pita on osx18:23
snap-lI don't believe so18:23
snap-lDo you need it in another format?18:24
snap-lI have the wav file, and can make flac or mp318:24
brouschwav is probably best18:25
snap-lone sec.18:26
brouschi love imovia, but if the files are not blessed by jobs they are a pita18:26
snap-lhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/yzy/18:28
brouschthanks18:29
snap-lnp18:30
brouschsnap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov18:36
brouschBoring, I know, but I need it later today ;)18:38
snap-lheh18:41
snap-lNeeds a shattering effect at the "boom". ;)18:42
brouschhm, i'm not sure if i should do it there or when the full videos are assembled18:43
brouschweak. imovie has no shatter effect18:45
snap-lMan, that's lame18:45
snap-lhow can they not have the most overused vieo effect of all time?18:45
snap-loutside of the racecar swoosh18:45
snap-lfade18:46
brouschi found a decent circle in/out thing18:46
brouschhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov18:47
snap-lbrousch: That is awesome18:48
brouschi won't call it awesome, but it's good enough18:49
brouschthe music is awesome ;)18:52
snap-lbrousch: *blush*18:55
jrwrenya know what I'm happy about??? i finally got an iphone compat ffmpeg cmd18:58
snap-lyay?18:59
brouschjrwren: was it really hard?19:00
brouschseems like it'd be easy19:00
jrwreniphone is insanely picky about h264 used to encode.19:01
snap-lbrousch: You would think that19:01
jrwrenand googling around usually gives ffmpeg options that don't work with what ships in current ubuntu19:01
snap-lEmbedded devices and video are really shit-tastic19:02
jrwrenand then when i did get something that would actually encode... it wouldn't playback on device.19:02
jrwreni'm OK with it being picky, because I still get great bat life and nice hardware accel19:02
snap-lI know my Sansa uses some video codec that you can only use via Wine19:02
jrwrenyuk.19:02
snap-lYeah, it's extremely strange.19:02
brouschh264 can be tricky in ffmpeg19:03
brouschi usually resort to avidemux for that19:03
snap-lYay, someone is returning something that was a pain in the ass to ship in the first place to me19:53
snap-land I get to give them their money back.19:53
snap-lGo me!19:53
krondorwow so the blackberry db phonenumber field (the phone number of a phone in the system) does not validate input for valid phone numbers... wtf19:56
snap-lIt's a blackberry. Why would it? :)20:23
snap-llikely punted because there's so many different formats.20:24
krondorI was like, oh this script will be easy... now I'm like yea so someone really thought it was a good idea to put in 5.. blackberry phone number is 5.20:29
krondoror maybe that's a genius way not to get calls from work20:29
lotiagreetings all.20:40
lotiawondering if there is a secret do-upgrade-release switch/argument to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 at present.20:40
lotiatrying to get to 10.04.02 LTS20:40
snap-lAnyone know how to get ffmpeg to create AMR or m4v files?20:43
snap-lapparently the rest of the internet is hell-bent on getting files out of these dumb formats.20:43
snap-llotia: Patience, or a reload are the key to 10.0420:43
lotiasnap-l: issue is that do-release-uprgrade insists on going to lucie20:44
lotialucid i mean20:44
snap-llucid == 10.0420:45
snap-lmaverick = 10.1020:46
snap-lnatty = 11.0420:46
lotiacorrect, i need to go to 9.10 in between even if it is EOL'ed20:46
rick_h_sorry, if it's EOL'd the repos are gone and it can't calculate upgrade paths/etc as far as I know20:47
snap-lYes, that is correct.20:47
snap-lOh, that sucks20:47
rick_h_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades20:47
rick_h_can see if anything useful in there20:48
snap-lMan, too many Jazz musicians lost to drugs.20:48
rick_h_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty maybe20:49
snap-llotia: Barring that, you may just want to bite the bullet and reinstall20:49
lotiathanks folks20:49
greg-gsometimes this python work is just fun :)20:53
greg-goh, heya lotia !20:54
rick_h_greg-g: awesome!20:54
rick_h_always glad to see the python happy folks20:54
rick_h_greg-g: you should hit up pyohio with us :)20:54
rick_h_http://pyohio.org/20:54
rick_h_brousch1: and I will be talking20:54
rick_h_and we'll be doing a bookie sprint20:55
greg-gI'm no where near python-conference ready :) I just farting around with overly verbose stuff to get some work done (workflow management stuff)20:55
rick_h_it's small, local, all good stuff20:56
rick_h_learn a trick/two20:56
rick_h_free conference20:56
greg-gI mean, this one script is ~300 lines, but about 2/3 of that is repetitious and could probably be axed if I was better :)20:56
rick_h_pastebin! greg-g code review time!20:56
greg-gno!20:57
greg-g:)20:57
* greg-g is fragile20:57
snap-lgreg-g: pyohio is the best for just farting around with Python20:57
greg-ghmmmm20:57
rick_h_lol20:57
* rick_h_ ponders a lot of lines that contain 'gentle' in them20:57
greg-g:)20:57
greg-gI know it's not PEP compliant, but: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/343/20:59
greg-galso, it does what it is supposed to do21:00
greg-gso, :P21:00
rick_h_wow21:00
greg-g:(21:02
_stink_i should say that this is commented about 500x better than my stuff21:03
rick_h_no, just a lot to read/figure out. MasterNotes1,2,3,4,5,6Col and such21:03
greg-goh yeah, good luck figuring it out without me skyping you21:03
jrwrenlotia: did you get it to work? I think I did that before.21:04
greg-gbasically, I'm taking two spreadsheets, comparing one of the rows between them, if they match, the whole row goes to Master, if not, it goes to Mismatch (for futher review)21:05
greg-ger, comparing one of the columns in a row21:05
jrwrencomments?21:05
jrwrenwtf are commends?21:05
rick_h_http://paste.mitechie.com/show/344/ just one part to think about21:07
rick_h_vs doing the looping through the sheet each time21:07
_stink_greg-g: i've written a bunch of stuff w/ xlrd/xlwt.  i've settled on using a list to just grab column headers (something like [cell.value for cell in sheet.row(0)] for python 2.6), then use .index() on that list to get index numbers later21:07
rick_h_find it once, store it, use it21:07
_stink_instead of storing ints for column meanings manually21:08
_stink_fwiw21:08
rick_h_http://blog.okfn.org/2011/05/26/expert-python-javascript-coders-wanted/ hmmm, might be cool21:10
greg-grick_h_: hmmm, /me nods21:12
rick_h_greg-g: on the code pasted?21:12
greg-gyeah21:12
rick_h_save a few loop cycles/function calls21:13
rick_h_cool though, thanks for sharing :)21:13
greg-g_stink_: and actually rick_h_ I think later I'll need you two to explain just a tad more on those thoughts, but its my quitting time!21:14
_stink_lucky you!21:14
* rick_h_ sounds the bell21:14
greg-grick_h_: it was hard sharing that, so thanks for the gentleness ;)21:14
greg-g(watch, as soon as I leave he's going to say "OMG! Did you *see* that code?!")21:15
rick_h_hah, no no no, trust me.21:15
rick_h_as long as you're not in NC you're safe21:15
greg-glol21:15
greg-galright, laters all21:16
jrwrenthat is beautiful code.21:16
jrwreni read it.21:16
jrwrenit made me want to write python.21:16
greg-gjrwren: you lie21:16
jrwrenwhy would I lie?21:34
greg-gjrwren: because it isn't beautiful :)21:42
greg-gdoes anyone else use Banshee to sync music/podcasts with a PMP?22:17
greg-gBanshee routinely locks up when trying to communicate with my iAudio722:18
jrwrenok.. this is a dumb question... but is there a way to ask shell to start a command in a different PWD?22:32
jrwrene.g.... I'd like to ./start my app, but tell it to do the exec with CWD=/elsewehre22:33
jrwrenso that I don't have to pushd /elsewehre; $OLDWD/start22:33
snap-lcd $/elsewhere23:02
snap-lWrite a wrapper script23:02

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