[00:01] Yeah, working here as well [00:01] as for posting a comment, though.... [00:01] notsomuch [00:02] ugh, I've not had any time to hack this week :/ [00:03] Too busy with work? [00:03] work + wife's had stuff. [00:03] Ugh [00:03] it's this month. Wife has things every weekend day [00:03] just buried, getting ancy [00:03] I finally got a Bicycle Repair Manual [00:04] which, coindicentally is the name of the book I bought [00:04] reading this start small stay small business book and that's not helping, prodding [00:04] awesome! I need to get my bike in [00:04] hah [00:04] Yeah, I want to do more riding [00:04] Getting a little annoyed that it's June, and my bike has been unridden for over a year. [00:05] yea [00:28] snap-l: my boy is getting better on the drums. he's almost reached your skill level http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygb3S5nbGTA [01:35] huh: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlEOoO4Ozn9IdFRjRUdYWndTekotQnc1Q3pIU1hEQ0E&hl=en_US#gid=0 [01:35] hmm [01:37] greg-g: probably: http://abock.org/2010/07/13/amazon-mp3-store-in-banshee [01:57] "On the other hand, the document also confirms that AT&T plans to dismantle T-Mobile’s existing 3G network, and redeploy that as LTE. This, in turn, will make the 3G devices currently owned by T-Mobile customers useless for anything beyond very slow data service and voice calls." [01:57] http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/ATandTMobile-Slam-Merger-Opponents-in-FCC-Motion-188346/ [01:57] Yeah, that's totally pro-consumer. [02:00] they're just going to have to offer new phones [02:00] only problem will be what phones you get [02:12] They are also putting bandwidth caps on their DSL lines. [02:23] Lledargo: yeah, that is a bit old of a post. I was more looking at the downward slope now that Amazon is no longer the default music store in Ubuntu's Banshee package [02:23] right, but do we know much else besides the total? [02:24] nope [02:24] far be it for me to stand up for Canonical, but is it the people that used to buy stopping, lower $$ for same number of sells, etc? [02:24] which is why all I had to say initially was "huh" ;) [02:24] there could be a lot of stuff inside of there [02:24] gotcha [02:24] just interesting [02:25] yea, but I don't want to even start the discussion without more details that just totals [02:25] I just saw that GBurt updated the spreadsheet (it is listed in my google docs and I was loking for something else) [02:25] not without my flame suit on [02:25] oh, totally [02:34] brousch: My Sister-in-law approves of your award. :) [02:35] excellent [02:42] who is will fuqua? [02:42] Blazeix [02:43] okie [03:46] All I have to say is there's a lot of fucking Doctor Who on flickr. [04:32] Wow, I just found where Gmail saves the chat files. [04:32] * Team-Xlink face palms. === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink [12:52] Good morning [12:55] morning [12:58] ohman, so tempted. viewsonic gtablet for $269. cyanogenmod supports it [12:58] Man, I'm an idiot. [12:58] Wondering why my network is so slow. Forgot that I was downloading TWiT. [12:58] really? Downloading a podcast makes a noticable hit on your network? [12:58] or do you mean video? [12:59] video [12:59] ah, gotcha [12:59] sorry, monday... [12:59] No problem. [13:07] g'morn [13:08] God morning [13:08] Good morning, too [13:15] morning [13:16] "Have an adjective-free morning!"... that has potential. [13:16] but I suspect "adjective-free" is itself an adjective. Conundrum. [13:19] :) [13:20] Is there a problem with half the internet, or is it just me? [13:20] maybe your half. Not my half. [13:20] nothing here so far [13:27] Hmmm... several sites that I've hit are AWOL [13:27] both of which are not Chrysler approved, I'm sure. ;) [13:28] OK, I think it was just temporary. [13:29] Wolfger: "Have a very non-descriptive, from lack of adjectives, morning." [13:31] thank you. I'm sure I will [13:32] Ah, good old American prudishness... http://www.freep.com/article/20110612/COL01/106120454/Mitch-Albom-That-s-not-what-you-do-with-a-camera [13:33] Mitch seems to forget that before cameras were artists and sculptors capturing images of nude bodies... [13:34] I thought Mitch Albom gave up writing and became Oprah [13:44] alrighty, going down periscope. microblogs and irc are now closed.... [13:44] * greg-g waves! [13:47] wow, my summer schedule is packed. i'm really gonna need a better organizational/todo thingy [13:49] "Biggest stories of 2011"..... Aren't they, oh, 6 months too early for that? Or at least 5 months too early? [13:50] brousch: better todo lists don't magically give you more time. ;-) [13:51] right, but they will help me sort priorities and not forget stuff [14:05] Wolfger: Bah, never let reality get in the way of a good headline [14:05] brousch: Nothing, save for you, can set priorities [14:05] and priorities are very ephemeral [14:05] i need to see all my commitments in one place to determine priorities [14:06] Havei I mentioned GTD lately? [14:06] ug [14:06] Even though I'm the shittiest practitioner of GTD, it's what works best for me [14:07] Thing is, in order to have it all in front of you, you'll need to capture it all [14:07] clarify it all [14:07] and keep it all current [14:08] otherwise you'll look at a list, and remember there's something else out there that you're not tracking that might be more important [14:08] Which makes it yet another T to GD [14:08] Wolfger: You're doing it anyway, just half-assed. ;) [14:09] on a good day [14:09] quarter-assed typically [14:09] eighth some days [14:09] Heh [14:11] "firefighter" is an honorable trade... [14:12] well, in modern times at least. Not back when they went around setting fires so they could loot houses.... [14:12] the problem with being proactive is that nobody really appreciates what you do. [14:13] If you wait until it becomes a huge issue and then deal with it well and quickly, your efforts are given much more appreciation. [14:13] Wolfger: Think of it as negative reinforcement [14:13] nobody appreciates what you do, but everyone can get on your case for things you don't do [14:13] including you === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro === smoser` is now known as smoser [15:56] And now time for conference call #1 [16:14] Password should be between 8-10 characters [16:14] (sigh) [16:15] between? [16:15] we had a password rant this weekend while playing cards with the neighbors [16:16] Sure, between, as in > 8 and < 10. ;-) [16:17] devinheitmueller: Well, it's nice of them to narrow down the rainbow-table, assuming they're even using some encryption [16:17] heh [16:18] Seriously, shaXsum with some salt [16:18] Then I could enter in the Gettysburg address as my password, and your app won't care. [16:20] oh stupid python question. How can I iterate over to variables in a for loop. I want to do: for i in range(1,100) and x in range(500,600): # the syntax is my question, of course :) [16:21] for i,v in zip(range(1,100), range(500, 600)) [16:21] http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#zip [16:21] oh, neat, thanks! [16:21] and use xrange vs range [16:22] double sigh.... [16:23] huh, re: xrange, I didn't see that before. Thanks. [16:23] "between 8 and 10" is 9, and wtf are you doing limiting the number of characters? [16:23] greg-g: yea, more profecient since it doens't wait to build the lists first [16:23] less in memory [16:23] I like [16:24] I'm working with iterations of a 1000, so useful [16:24] definitely [16:34] Yay, won an auction for highlights from Wendy Carlos' Switched on Boxed Set. [16:34] I think that's the only way I'm going to be able to hear this damn thing [16:39] i made this theme music for an intro to a video series from CoNGA-WM. opinions? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM.mp3 [16:40] A bit noisy. [16:40] snap-l: highlights? [16:40] jrwren: Yeah, it's a promo CD> [16:40] so it has a few tracks from each of the discs. [16:40] noisy? [16:41] 1992 - Switched on Bach 2000 ? [16:41] jrwren: No, the original [16:41] 1968? [16:41] Yes, It was re-released in 1999 [16:44] Switched on Bach, Switched on Bach II, Switched on Brandenburgs, and The Well-Tempered Synthesizer [16:47] anyone know how to do a 'print' in sql say in postgresql scripts? [16:47] brousch: Not sure what the scratching is for? [16:47] It doesn't make sense for the piece. [16:47] turning on the electrical drums [16:48] And what's the ending for? [16:48] I guess I need to see it in context. ;) [16:48] it's just an intro sound [16:49] to a videocast [16:49] brousch: If I heard that whole thing through my speakers, I'd wonder what went wrong [16:49] I'd start checking network connections, md5sums of the files, etc. [16:49] i found a shorter end scratchy thing (unplugging) [16:58] i guess i don't know how to end a song. i cop out by cutting it off with a sound effect [17:01] Heh [17:12] "better to not run your code and let others think it doesn't work than to run it and remove all doubt" [17:12] brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yyn/ [17:12] greg-g: awesome reuse [17:12] rick_h_: :) thanks [17:13] "I think it'll work..." [17:13] "Did you test it?" [17:13] "Well, not exactly..." [17:13] :) [17:13] I'm at the point right now [17:13] select 'Testing' [17:13] now to get the data ready [17:13] Bah, scrollback confusion. [17:14] snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/341/ [17:14] is what I'm messing with trying to get working [17:15] rick_h_: Without seeing the data, I'm not sure what you're trying to do [17:15] create a cursor [17:15] based off a query [17:15] I have one of those, it points at things [17:15] heh, yea [17:15] sorry, ignore me [17:15] * greg-g goes back down periscope [17:22] rick_h_: I'm nto sure, but I think you're missing a step [17:22] ie: opening the cursor [17:22] yea, tried that. Get a syntax error if I open it [17:22] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/342/ works [17:22] so I don't think I need the open [17:26] Ah, cool [17:27] PostgreSQL: Everything is possible [17:27] except what I want to do :P [17:27] MySQL: Everything is possible (with a different engine) [17:33] MS-SQL? [17:42] http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/06/interview-with-barton-george-from-dell-cloud/ HOT [17:43] nothing is possible. [17:43] ^^ MSSQL [17:44] dude, with MSSQL you can directly query excel files! what more would you need? [17:45] paged queries. [17:45] excel has sheets. Done. [17:45] i don't even know what taht means. [17:46] I know. I'm not seriously recommending using excel files. [17:47] yes he is [17:47] Well, that was fun [17:47] gnome-settings-daemon got to about 809G of virtual memory used. [17:47] \o/ [18:04] well, it is running now, lets see if it does the right thing... (it takes a good long time to run) [18:05] snap-l: nice music clip. did you make it? [18:05] Yeah [18:05] using LMMS [18:05] that thump right at the end is what i was thinking, but couldn't figure out how to do it [18:06] It's bassdrum_acoustic_1, iirc [18:06] i only have the mbp today, so i was using garageband [18:12] snap-l: would you license that for my use? [18:12] Sure thing [18:12] BY-SA [18:12] good thing the channel is logged, now we have proof :) [18:13] how should i acknowledge you? [18:13] Craig Maloney [18:14] I mean, you want a link or something? [18:14] Yeah, that would work [18:14] Link to http://decafbad.net [18:15] The bassline comes from LMMS [18:21] techno_bass02.ogg [18:22] Do I have to note that? [18:23] wow, ogg is a pita on osx [18:23] I don't believe so [18:24] Do you need it in another format? [18:24] I have the wav file, and can make flac or mp3 [18:25] wav is probably best [18:26] one sec. [18:26] i love imovia, but if the files are not blessed by jobs they are a pita [18:28] http://ubuntuone.com/p/yzy/ [18:29] thanks [18:30] np [18:36] snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov [18:38] Boring, I know, but I need it later today ;) [18:41] heh [18:42] Needs a shattering effect at the "boom". ;) [18:43] hm, i'm not sure if i should do it there or when the full videos are assembled [18:45] weak. imovie has no shatter effect [18:45] Man, that's lame [18:45] how can they not have the most overused vieo effect of all time? [18:45] outside of the racecar swoosh [18:46] fade [18:46] i found a decent circle in/out thing [18:47] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov [18:48] brousch: That is awesome [18:49] i won't call it awesome, but it's good enough [18:52] the music is awesome ;) [18:55] brousch: *blush* [18:58] ya know what I'm happy about??? i finally got an iphone compat ffmpeg cmd [18:59] yay? [19:00] jrwren: was it really hard? [19:00] seems like it'd be easy [19:01] iphone is insanely picky about h264 used to encode. [19:01] brousch: You would think that [19:01] and googling around usually gives ffmpeg options that don't work with what ships in current ubuntu [19:02] Embedded devices and video are really shit-tastic [19:02] and then when i did get something that would actually encode... it wouldn't playback on device. [19:02] i'm OK with it being picky, because I still get great bat life and nice hardware accel [19:02] I know my Sansa uses some video codec that you can only use via Wine [19:02] yuk. [19:02] Yeah, it's extremely strange. [19:03] h264 can be tricky in ffmpeg [19:03] i usually resort to avidemux for that [19:53] Yay, someone is returning something that was a pain in the ass to ship in the first place to me [19:53] and I get to give them their money back. [19:53] Go me! [19:56] wow so the blackberry db phonenumber field (the phone number of a phone in the system) does not validate input for valid phone numbers... wtf [20:23] It's a blackberry. Why would it? :) [20:24] likely punted because there's so many different formats. [20:29] I was like, oh this script will be easy... now I'm like yea so someone really thought it was a good idea to put in 5.. blackberry phone number is 5. [20:29] or maybe that's a genius way not to get calls from work [20:40] greetings all. [20:40] wondering if there is a secret do-upgrade-release switch/argument to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 at present. [20:40] trying to get to 10.04.02 LTS [20:43] Anyone know how to get ffmpeg to create AMR or m4v files? [20:43] apparently the rest of the internet is hell-bent on getting files out of these dumb formats. [20:43] lotia: Patience, or a reload are the key to 10.04 [20:44] snap-l: issue is that do-release-uprgrade insists on going to lucie [20:44] lucid i mean [20:45] lucid == 10.04 [20:46] maverick = 10.10 [20:46] natty = 11.04 [20:46] correct, i need to go to 9.10 in between even if it is EOL'ed [20:47] sorry, if it's EOL'd the repos are gone and it can't calculate upgrade paths/etc as far as I know [20:47] Yes, that is correct. [20:47] Oh, that sucks [20:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [20:48] can see if anything useful in there [20:48] Man, too many Jazz musicians lost to drugs. [20:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty maybe [20:49] lotia: Barring that, you may just want to bite the bullet and reinstall [20:49] thanks folks [20:53] sometimes this python work is just fun :) [20:54] oh, heya lotia ! [20:54] greg-g: awesome! [20:54] always glad to see the python happy folks [20:54] greg-g: you should hit up pyohio with us :) [20:54] http://pyohio.org/ [20:54] brousch1: and I will be talking [20:55] and we'll be doing a bookie sprint [20:55] I'm no where near python-conference ready :) I just farting around with overly verbose stuff to get some work done (workflow management stuff) [20:56] it's small, local, all good stuff [20:56] learn a trick/two [20:56] free conference [20:56] I mean, this one script is ~300 lines, but about 2/3 of that is repetitious and could probably be axed if I was better :) [20:56] pastebin! greg-g code review time! [20:57] no! [20:57] :) [20:57] * greg-g is fragile [20:57] greg-g: pyohio is the best for just farting around with Python [20:57] hmmmm [20:57] lol [20:57] * rick_h_ ponders a lot of lines that contain 'gentle' in them [20:57] :) [20:59] I know it's not PEP compliant, but: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/343/ [21:00] also, it does what it is supposed to do [21:00] so, :P [21:00] wow [21:02] :( [21:03] <_stink_> i should say that this is commented about 500x better than my stuff [21:03] no, just a lot to read/figure out. MasterNotes1,2,3,4,5,6Col and such [21:03] oh yeah, good luck figuring it out without me skyping you [21:04] lotia: did you get it to work? I think I did that before. [21:05] basically, I'm taking two spreadsheets, comparing one of the rows between them, if they match, the whole row goes to Master, if not, it goes to Mismatch (for futher review) [21:05] er, comparing one of the columns in a row [21:05] comments? [21:05] wtf are commends? [21:07] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/344/ just one part to think about [21:07] vs doing the looping through the sheet each time [21:07] <_stink_> greg-g: i've written a bunch of stuff w/ xlrd/xlwt. i've settled on using a list to just grab column headers (something like [cell.value for cell in sheet.row(0)] for python 2.6), then use .index() on that list to get index numbers later [21:07] find it once, store it, use it [21:08] <_stink_> instead of storing ints for column meanings manually [21:08] <_stink_> fwiw [21:10] http://blog.okfn.org/2011/05/26/expert-python-javascript-coders-wanted/ hmmm, might be cool [21:12] rick_h_: hmmm, /me nods [21:12] greg-g: on the code pasted? [21:12] yeah [21:13] save a few loop cycles/function calls [21:13] cool though, thanks for sharing :) [21:14] _stink_: and actually rick_h_ I think later I'll need you two to explain just a tad more on those thoughts, but its my quitting time! [21:14] <_stink_> lucky you! [21:14] * rick_h_ sounds the bell [21:14] rick_h_: it was hard sharing that, so thanks for the gentleness ;) [21:15] (watch, as soon as I leave he's going to say "OMG! Did you *see* that code?!") [21:15] hah, no no no, trust me. [21:15] as long as you're not in NC you're safe [21:15] lol [21:16] alright, laters all [21:16] that is beautiful code. [21:16] i read it. [21:16] it made me want to write python. [21:16] jrwren: you lie [21:34] why would I lie? [21:42] jrwren: because it isn't beautiful :) [22:17] does anyone else use Banshee to sync music/podcasts with a PMP? [22:18] Banshee routinely locks up when trying to communicate with my iAudio7 [22:32] ok.. this is a dumb question... but is there a way to ask shell to start a command in a different PWD? [22:33] e.g.... I'd like to ./start my app, but tell it to do the exec with CWD=/elsewehre [22:33] so that I don't have to pushd /elsewehre; $OLDWD/start [23:02] cd $/elsewhere [23:02] Write a wrapper script