[00:01] <snap-l> Yeah, working here as well
[00:01] <snap-l> as for posting a comment, though....
[00:01] <snap-l> notsomuch
[00:02] <rick_h_> ugh, I've not had any time to hack this week :/
[00:03] <snap-l> Too busy with work?
[00:03] <rick_h_> work + wife's had stuff.
[00:03] <snap-l> Ugh
[00:03] <rick_h_> it's this month. Wife has things every weekend day
[00:03] <rick_h_> just buried, getting ancy
[00:03] <snap-l> I finally got a Bicycle Repair Manual
[00:04] <snap-l> which, coindicentally is the name of the book I bought
[00:04] <rick_h_> reading this start small stay small business book and that's not helping, prodding
[00:04] <rick_h_> awesome! I need to get my bike in
[00:04] <rick_h_> hah
[00:04] <snap-l> Yeah, I want to do more riding
[00:04] <snap-l> Getting a little annoyed that it's June, and my bike has been unridden for over a year.
[00:05] <rick_h_> yea
[00:28] <brousch> snap-l: my boy is getting better on the drums. he's almost reached your skill level http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygb3S5nbGTA
[01:35] <greg-g> huh: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlEOoO4Ozn9IdFRjRUdYWndTekotQnc1Q3pIU1hEQ0E&hl=en_US#gid=0
[01:35] <rick_h_> hmm
[01:37] <Lledargo> greg-g: probably: http://abock.org/2010/07/13/amazon-mp3-store-in-banshee
[01:57] <snap-l> "On the other hand, the document also confirms that AT&T plans to dismantle T-Mobile’s existing 3G network, and redeploy that as LTE. This, in turn, will make the 3G devices currently owned by T-Mobile customers useless for anything beyond very slow data service and voice calls."
[01:57] <snap-l> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/ATandTMobile-Slam-Merger-Opponents-in-FCC-Motion-188346/
[01:57] <snap-l> Yeah, that's totally pro-consumer.
[02:00] <rick_h_> they're just going to have to offer new phones
[02:00] <rick_h_> only problem will be what phones you get
[02:12] <Lledargo> They are also putting bandwidth caps on their DSL lines.
[02:23] <greg-g> Lledargo: yeah, that is a bit old of a post. I was more looking at the downward slope now that Amazon is no longer the default music store in Ubuntu's Banshee package
[02:23] <rick_h_> right, but do we know much else besides the total?
[02:24] <greg-g> nope
[02:24] <rick_h_> far be it for me to stand up for Canonical, but is it the people that used to buy stopping, lower $$ for same number of sells, etc?
[02:24] <greg-g> which is why all I had to say initially was "huh" ;)
[02:24] <rick_h_> there could be a lot of stuff inside of there
[02:24] <rick_h_> gotcha
[02:24] <greg-g> just interesting
[02:25] <rick_h_> yea, but I don't want to even start the discussion without more details that just totals
[02:25] <greg-g> I just saw that GBurt updated the spreadsheet (it is listed in my google docs and I was loking for something else)
[02:25] <rick_h_> not without my flame suit on
[02:25] <greg-g> oh, totally
[02:34] <snap-l> brousch: My Sister-in-law approves of your award. :)
[02:35] <brousch> excellent
[02:42] <brousch> who is will fuqua?
[02:42] <rick_h_> Blazeix
[02:43] <brousch> okie
[03:46] <snap-l> All I have to say is there's a lot of fucking Doctor Who on flickr.
[04:32] <Team-Xlink> Wow, I just found where Gmail saves the chat files.
[04:32]  * Team-Xlink face palms.
[12:52] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:55] <rick_h_> morning
[12:58] <brousch> ohman, so tempted. viewsonic gtablet for $269. cyanogenmod supports it
[12:58] <snap-l> Man, I'm an idiot.
[12:58] <snap-l> Wondering why my network is so slow. Forgot that I was downloading TWiT.
[12:58] <rick_h_> really? Downloading a podcast makes a noticable hit on your network?
[12:58] <rick_h_> or do you mean video?
[12:59] <snap-l> video
[12:59] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[12:59] <rick_h_> sorry, monday...
[12:59] <snap-l> No problem.
[13:07] <greg-g> g'morn
[13:08] <snap-l> God morning
[13:08] <snap-l> Good morning, too
[13:15] <Wolfger> morning
[13:16] <Wolfger> "Have an adjective-free morning!"... that has potential.
[13:16] <Wolfger> but I suspect "adjective-free" is itself an adjective. Conundrum.
[13:19] <snap-l> :)
[13:20] <snap-l> Is there a problem with half the internet, or is it just me?
[13:20] <Wolfger> maybe your half. Not my half.
[13:20] <rick_h_> nothing here so far
[13:27] <snap-l> Hmmm... several sites that I've hit are AWOL
[13:27] <snap-l> both of which are not Chrysler approved, I'm sure. ;)
[13:28] <snap-l> OK, I think it was just temporary.
[13:29] <Lledargo> Wolfger: "Have a very non-descriptive, from lack of adjectives, morning."
[13:31] <Wolfger> thank you. I'm sure I will
[13:32] <Wolfger> Ah, good old American prudishness... http://www.freep.com/article/20110612/COL01/106120454/Mitch-Albom-That-s-not-what-you-do-with-a-camera
[13:33] <Wolfger> Mitch seems to forget that before cameras were artists and sculptors capturing images of nude bodies...
[13:34] <snap-l> I thought Mitch Albom gave up writing and became Oprah
[13:44] <greg-g> alrighty, going down periscope. microblogs and irc are now closed....
[13:44]  * greg-g waves!
[13:47] <brousch> wow, my summer schedule is packed. i'm really gonna need a better organizational/todo thingy
[13:49] <Wolfger> "Biggest stories of 2011"..... Aren't they, oh, 6 months too early for that? Or at least 5 months too early?
[13:50] <Wolfger> brousch: better todo lists don't magically give you more time. ;-)
[13:51] <brousch> right, but they will help me sort priorities and not forget stuff
[14:05] <snap-l> Wolfger: Bah, never let reality get in the way of a good headline
[14:05] <snap-l> brousch: Nothing, save for you, can set priorities
[14:05] <snap-l> and priorities are very ephemeral
[14:05] <brousch> i need to see all my commitments in one place to determine priorities
[14:06] <snap-l> Havei I mentioned GTD lately?
[14:06] <brousch> ug
[14:06] <snap-l> Even though I'm the shittiest practitioner of GTD, it's what works best for me
[14:07] <snap-l> Thing is, in order to have it all in front of you, you'll need to capture it all
[14:07] <snap-l> clarify it all
[14:07] <snap-l> and keep it all current
[14:08] <snap-l> otherwise you'll look at a list, and remember there's something else out there that you're not tracking that might be more important
[14:08] <Wolfger> Which makes it yet another T to GD
[14:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: You're doing it anyway, just half-assed. ;)
[14:09] <Wolfger> on a good day
[14:09] <Wolfger> quarter-assed typically
[14:09] <Wolfger> eighth some days
[14:09] <snap-l> Heh
[14:11] <Wolfger> "firefighter" is an honorable trade...
[14:12] <Wolfger> well, in modern times at least. Not back when they went around setting fires so they could loot houses....
[14:12] <Wolfger> the problem with being proactive is that nobody really appreciates what you do.
[14:13] <Wolfger> If you wait until it becomes a huge issue and then deal with it well and quickly, your efforts are given much more appreciation.
[14:13] <snap-l> Wolfger: Think of it as negative reinforcement
[14:13] <snap-l> nobody appreciates what you do, but everyone can get on your case for things you don't do
[14:13] <snap-l> including you
[15:56] <snap-l> And now time for conference call #1
[16:14] <snap-l> Password should be between 8-10 characters
[16:14] <snap-l> (sigh)
[16:15] <rick_h_> between?
[16:15] <rick_h_> we had a password rant this weekend while playing cards with the neighbors
[16:16] <devinheitmueller> Sure, between, as in > 8 and < 10.  ;-)
[16:17] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Well, it's nice of them to narrow down the rainbow-table, assuming they're even using some encryption
[16:17] <devinheitmueller> heh
[16:18] <snap-l> Seriously, shaXsum with some salt
[16:18] <snap-l> Then I could enter in the Gettysburg address as my password, and your app won't care.
[16:20] <greg-g> oh stupid python question. How can I iterate over to variables in a for loop. I want to do: for i in range(1,100) and x in range(500,600): # the syntax is my question, of course :)
[16:21] <rick_h_> for i,v in zip(range(1,100), range(500, 600))
[16:21] <rick_h_> http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#zip
[16:21] <greg-g> oh, neat, thanks!
[16:21] <rick_h_> and use xrange vs range
[16:22] <Wolfger> double sigh....
[16:23] <greg-g> huh, re: xrange, I didn't see that before. Thanks.
[16:23] <Wolfger> "between 8 and 10" is 9, and wtf are you doing limiting the number of characters?
[16:23] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, more profecient since it doens't wait to build the lists first
[16:23] <rick_h_> less in memory
[16:23] <greg-g> I like
[16:24] <greg-g> I'm working with iterations of a 1000, so useful
[16:24] <rick_h_> definitely
[16:34] <snap-l> Yay, won an auction for highlights from Wendy Carlos' Switched on Boxed Set.
[16:34] <snap-l> I think that's the only way I'm going to be able to hear this damn thing
[16:39] <brousch> i made this theme music for an intro to a video series from CoNGA-WM. opinions? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM.mp3
[16:40] <snap-l> A bit noisy.
[16:40] <jrwren> snap-l: highlights?
[16:40] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, it's a promo CD>
[16:40] <snap-l> so it has a few tracks from each of the discs.
[16:40] <brousch> noisy?
[16:41] <jrwren> 1992 - Switched on Bach 2000  ?
[16:41] <snap-l> jrwren: No, the original
[16:41] <jrwren> 1968?
[16:41] <snap-l> Yes, It was re-released in 1999
[16:44] <snap-l> Switched on Bach, Switched on Bach II, Switched on Brandenburgs, and The Well-Tempered Synthesizer
[16:47] <rick_h_> anyone know how to do a 'print' in sql say in postgresql scripts?
[16:47] <snap-l> brousch: Not sure what the scratching is for?
[16:47] <snap-l> It doesn't make sense for the piece.
[16:47] <brousch> turning on the electrical drums
[16:48] <snap-l> And what's the ending for?
[16:48] <snap-l> I guess I need to see it in context. ;)
[16:48] <brousch> it's just an intro sound
[16:49] <brousch> to a videocast
[16:49] <snap-l> brousch: If I heard that whole thing through my speakers, I'd wonder what went wrong
[16:49] <snap-l> I'd start checking network connections, md5sums of the files, etc.
[16:49] <brousch> i found a shorter end scratchy thing (unplugging)
[16:58] <brousch> i guess i don't know how to end a song. i cop out by cutting it off with a sound effect
[17:01] <snap-l> Heh
[17:12] <greg-g> "better to not run your code and let others think it doesn't work than to run it and remove all doubt"
[17:12] <snap-l> brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/yyn/
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome reuse
[17:12] <greg-g> rick_h_: :) thanks
[17:13] <rick_h_> "I think it'll work..."
[17:13] <rick_h_> "Did you test it?"
[17:13] <rick_h_> "Well, not exactly..."
[17:13] <greg-g> :)
[17:13] <greg-g> I'm at the point right now
[17:13] <snap-l> select 'Testing'
[17:13] <greg-g> now to get the data ready
[17:13] <snap-l> Bah, scrollback confusion.
[17:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/341/
[17:14] <rick_h_> is what I'm messing with trying to get working
[17:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: Without seeing the data, I'm not sure what you're trying to do
[17:15] <rick_h_> create a cursor
[17:15] <rick_h_> based off a query
[17:15] <greg-g> I have one of those, it points at things
[17:15] <rick_h_> heh, yea
[17:15] <greg-g> sorry, ignore me
[17:15]  * greg-g goes back down periscope
[17:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm nto sure, but I think you're missing a step
[17:22] <snap-l> ie: opening the cursor
[17:22] <rick_h_> yea, tried that. Get a syntax error if I open it
[17:22] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/342/ works
[17:22] <rick_h_> so I don't think I need the open
[17:26] <snap-l> Ah, cool
[17:27] <snap-l> PostgreSQL: Everything is possible
[17:27] <rick_h_> except what I want to do :P
[17:27] <snap-l> MySQL: Everything is possible (with a different engine)
[17:33] <Wolfger> MS-SQL?
[17:42] <jrwren> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/06/interview-with-barton-george-from-dell-cloud/   HOT
[17:43] <jrwren> nothing is possible.
[17:43] <jrwren> ^^ MSSQL
[17:44] <Blazeix> dude, with MSSQL you can directly query excel files! what more would you need?
[17:45] <jrwren> paged queries.
[17:45] <Blazeix> excel has sheets. Done.
[17:45] <jrwren> i don't even know what taht means.
[17:46] <Blazeix> I know. I'm not seriously recommending using excel files.
[17:47] <Wolfger> yes he is
[17:47] <snap-l> Well, that was fun
[17:47] <snap-l> gnome-settings-daemon got to about 809G of virtual memory used.
[17:47] <Wolfger> \o/
[18:04] <greg-g> well, it is running now, lets see if it does the right thing... (it takes a good long time to run)
[18:05] <brousch> snap-l: nice music clip. did you make it?
[18:05] <snap-l> Yeah
[18:05] <snap-l> using LMMS
[18:05] <brousch> that thump right at the end is what i was thinking, but couldn't figure out how to do it
[18:06] <snap-l> It's bassdrum_acoustic_1, iirc
[18:06] <brousch> i only have the mbp today, so i was using garageband
[18:12] <brousch> snap-l: would you license that for my use?
[18:12] <snap-l> Sure thing
[18:12] <snap-l> BY-SA
[18:12] <greg-g> good thing the channel is logged, now we have proof :)
[18:13] <brousch> how should i acknowledge you?
[18:13] <snap-l> Craig Maloney
[18:14] <brousch> I mean, you want a link or something?
[18:14] <snap-l> Yeah, that would work
[18:14] <snap-l> Link to http://decafbad.net
[18:15] <snap-l> The bassline comes from LMMS
[18:21] <snap-l> techno_bass02.ogg
[18:22] <brousch> Do I have to note that?
[18:23] <brousch> wow, ogg is a pita on osx
[18:23] <snap-l> I don't believe so
[18:24] <snap-l> Do you need it in another format?
[18:24] <snap-l> I have the wav file, and can make flac or mp3
[18:25] <brousch> wav is probably best
[18:26] <snap-l> one sec.
[18:26] <brousch> i love imovia, but if the files are not blessed by jobs they are a pita
[18:28] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/yzy/
[18:29] <brousch> thanks
[18:30] <snap-l> np
[18:36] <brousch> snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov
[18:38] <brousch> Boring, I know, but I need it later today ;)
[18:41] <snap-l> heh
[18:42] <snap-l> Needs a shattering effect at the "boom". ;)
[18:43] <brousch> hm, i'm not sure if i should do it there or when the full videos are assembled
[18:45] <brousch> weak. imovie has no shatter effect
[18:45] <snap-l> Man, that's lame
[18:45] <snap-l> how can they not have the most overused vieo effect of all time?
[18:45] <snap-l> outside of the racecar swoosh
[18:46] <snap-l> fade
[18:46] <brousch> i found a decent circle in/out thing
[18:47] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/CoNGA-WM%20-%20Herding%20Geeks%20Intro.mov
[18:48] <snap-l> brousch: That is awesome
[18:49] <brousch> i won't call it awesome, but it's good enough
[18:52] <brousch> the music is awesome ;)
[18:55] <snap-l> brousch: *blush*
[18:58] <jrwren> ya know what I'm happy about??? i finally got an iphone compat ffmpeg cmd
[18:59] <snap-l> yay?
[19:00] <brousch> jrwren: was it really hard?
[19:00] <brousch> seems like it'd be easy
[19:01] <jrwren> iphone is insanely picky about h264 used to encode.
[19:01] <snap-l> brousch: You would think that
[19:01] <jrwren> and googling around usually gives ffmpeg options that don't work with what ships in current ubuntu
[19:02] <snap-l> Embedded devices and video are really shit-tastic
[19:02] <jrwren> and then when i did get something that would actually encode... it wouldn't playback on device.
[19:02] <jrwren> i'm OK with it being picky, because I still get great bat life and nice hardware accel
[19:02] <snap-l> I know my Sansa uses some video codec that you can only use via Wine
[19:02] <jrwren> yuk.
[19:02] <snap-l> Yeah, it's extremely strange.
[19:03] <brousch> h264 can be tricky in ffmpeg
[19:03] <brousch> i usually resort to avidemux for that
[19:53] <snap-l> Yay, someone is returning something that was a pain in the ass to ship in the first place to me
[19:53] <snap-l> and I get to give them their money back.
[19:53] <snap-l> Go me!
[19:56] <krondor> wow so the blackberry db phonenumber field (the phone number of a phone in the system) does not validate input for valid phone numbers... wtf
[20:23] <snap-l> It's a blackberry. Why would it? :)
[20:24] <snap-l> likely punted because there's so many different formats.
[20:29] <krondor> I was like, oh this script will be easy... now I'm like yea so someone really thought it was a good idea to put in 5.. blackberry phone number is 5.
[20:29] <krondor> or maybe that's a genius way not to get calls from work
[20:40] <lotia> greetings all.
[20:40] <lotia> wondering if there is a secret do-upgrade-release switch/argument to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 at present.
[20:40] <lotia> trying to get to 10.04.02 LTS
[20:43] <snap-l> Anyone know how to get ffmpeg to create AMR or m4v files?
[20:43] <snap-l> apparently the rest of the internet is hell-bent on getting files out of these dumb formats.
[20:43] <snap-l> lotia: Patience, or a reload are the key to 10.04
[20:44] <lotia> snap-l: issue is that do-release-uprgrade insists on going to lucie
[20:44] <lotia> lucid i mean
[20:45] <snap-l> lucid == 10.04
[20:46] <snap-l> maverick = 10.10
[20:46] <snap-l> natty = 11.04
[20:46] <lotia> correct, i need to go to 9.10 in between even if it is EOL'ed
[20:47] <rick_h_> sorry, if it's EOL'd the repos are gone and it can't calculate upgrade paths/etc as far as I know
[20:47] <snap-l> Yes, that is correct.
[20:47] <snap-l> Oh, that sucks
[20:47] <rick_h_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:48] <rick_h_> can see if anything useful in there
[20:48] <snap-l> Man, too many Jazz musicians lost to drugs.
[20:49] <rick_h_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty maybe
[20:49] <snap-l> lotia: Barring that, you may just want to bite the bullet and reinstall
[20:49] <lotia> thanks folks
[20:53] <greg-g> sometimes this python work is just fun :)
[20:54] <greg-g> oh, heya lotia !
[20:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome!
[20:54] <rick_h_> always glad to see the python happy folks
[20:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: you should hit up pyohio with us :)
[20:54] <rick_h_> http://pyohio.org/
[20:54] <rick_h_> brousch1: and I will be talking
[20:55] <rick_h_> and we'll be doing a bookie sprint
[20:55] <greg-g> I'm no where near python-conference ready :) I just farting around with overly verbose stuff to get some work done (workflow management stuff)
[20:56] <rick_h_> it's small, local, all good stuff
[20:56] <rick_h_> learn a trick/two
[20:56] <rick_h_> free conference
[20:56] <greg-g> I mean, this one script is ~300 lines, but about 2/3 of that is repetitious and could probably be axed if I was better :)
[20:56] <rick_h_> pastebin! greg-g code review time!
[20:57] <greg-g> no!
[20:57] <greg-g> :)
[20:57]  * greg-g is fragile
[20:57] <snap-l> greg-g: pyohio is the best for just farting around with Python
[20:57] <greg-g> hmmmm
[20:57] <rick_h_> lol
[20:57]  * rick_h_ ponders a lot of lines that contain 'gentle' in them
[20:57] <greg-g> :)
[20:59] <greg-g> I know it's not PEP compliant, but: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/343/
[21:00] <greg-g> also, it does what it is supposed to do
[21:00] <greg-g> so, :P
[21:00] <rick_h_> wow
[21:02] <greg-g> :(
[21:03] <_stink_> i should say that this is commented about 500x better than my stuff
[21:03] <rick_h_> no, just a lot to read/figure out. MasterNotes1,2,3,4,5,6Col and such
[21:03] <greg-g> oh yeah, good luck figuring it out without me skyping you
[21:04] <jrwren> lotia: did you get it to work? I think I did that before.
[21:05] <greg-g> basically, I'm taking two spreadsheets, comparing one of the rows between them, if they match, the whole row goes to Master, if not, it goes to Mismatch (for futher review)
[21:05] <greg-g> er, comparing one of the columns in a row
[21:05] <jrwren> comments?
[21:05] <jrwren> wtf are commends?
[21:07] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/344/ just one part to think about
[21:07] <rick_h_> vs doing the looping through the sheet each time
[21:07] <_stink_> greg-g: i've written a bunch of stuff w/ xlrd/xlwt.  i've settled on using a list to just grab column headers (something like [cell.value for cell in sheet.row(0)] for python 2.6), then use .index() on that list to get index numbers later
[21:07] <rick_h_> find it once, store it, use it
[21:08] <_stink_> instead of storing ints for column meanings manually
[21:08] <_stink_> fwiw
[21:10] <rick_h_> http://blog.okfn.org/2011/05/26/expert-python-javascript-coders-wanted/ hmmm, might be cool
[21:12] <greg-g> rick_h_: hmmm, /me nods
[21:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: on the code pasted?
[21:12] <greg-g> yeah
[21:13] <rick_h_> save a few loop cycles/function calls
[21:13] <rick_h_> cool though, thanks for sharing :)
[21:14] <greg-g> _stink_: and actually rick_h_ I think later I'll need you two to explain just a tad more on those thoughts, but its my quitting time!
[21:14] <_stink_> lucky you!
[21:14]  * rick_h_ sounds the bell
[21:14] <greg-g> rick_h_: it was hard sharing that, so thanks for the gentleness ;)
[21:15] <greg-g> (watch, as soon as I leave he's going to say "OMG! Did you *see* that code?!")
[21:15] <rick_h_> hah, no no no, trust me.
[21:15] <rick_h_> as long as you're not in NC you're safe
[21:15] <greg-g> lol
[21:16] <greg-g> alright, laters all
[21:16] <jrwren> that is beautiful code.
[21:16] <jrwren> i read it.
[21:16] <jrwren> it made me want to write python.
[21:16] <greg-g> jrwren: you lie
[21:34] <jrwren> why would I lie?
[21:42] <greg-g> jrwren: because it isn't beautiful :)
[22:17] <greg-g> does anyone else use Banshee to sync music/podcasts with a PMP?
[22:18] <greg-g> Banshee routinely locks up when trying to communicate with my iAudio7
[22:32] <jrwren> ok.. this is a dumb question... but is there a way to ask shell to start a command in a different PWD?
[22:33] <jrwren> e.g.... I'd like to ./start my app, but tell it to do the exec with CWD=/elsewehre
[22:33] <jrwren> so that I don't have to pushd /elsewehre; $OLDWD/start
[23:02] <snap-l> cd $/elsewhere
[23:02] <snap-l> Write a wrapper script