[01:07] o/ [01:07] long time no I -R- See [01:09] jedijf: any opinion on system76? [01:34] Teddy has one of their laptops [01:39] any idea if it is well suited? [01:40] I mean they look nice enough, I am not sold on the stats though, [01:40] 699 for a shitty i3 is just not worth it. [01:40] * mutantturkey grabs the swear-jar [01:46] mutantturkey: it depends on circumstance, but i do believe that you can get more with mainstream deals and installing yourself [01:46] then you don't want to here the stats on Teddy's :-D [01:46] jedijf: hmmm, I have 800+ dollars. any suggestions? [01:47] also, o/ havent been around in forever. working 2 jobs and going to school [01:47] save save save [01:47] rmg51: I have saved, I need a laptop for work [01:47] mutantturkey: np, work and school is good. my theory is always get the most for the buck...i have no brand preferences [01:48] you may want to look at zareason as well [01:48] jedijf: also, I don't want to pay 100+ EXTRA for windows I wont use.. [01:48] also, the system 76 lappys look very "mac" ish, meaning, simple, and cleanly designed [01:49] I am sick of flashy crappy laptops made from cheap materials, I want a damn nice case. [01:49] macbook [01:49] it's hard to compare models, but dealigg.com covers all the latest laptop deals [01:49] meh [01:49] mutantturkey: you may be a lenova/thinkpad/ideapad person [01:49] http://www.dealigg.com/cat-best-price-ComputersLaptop [01:49] Title: Best Computer - Laptop Deals, Coupon Codes Discount, Rebates at Dell Best Buy, Newegg and More! (at www.dealigg.com) [01:50] jedijf: I have gotten alot of reccomendations for the stinkpads [01:50] just keep in mind that ubuntu compatibility is hard to find for the average computer [01:50] mutantturkey: nad what waltman said [01:50] *is hard to find out [01:50] do know 2 things [01:50] mikedep334: I don't use ubuntu :p [01:51] but anyway, here is my rule: stick with intel internals, and you'll be fine. [01:51] 1, core i3, i5 & i7 CPU models with 4 digits, like 2310, 2410, 2630QM are all the latest series of intel chips [01:51] with much better graphics for one thing [01:52] the older models are like 650, 480M, etc [01:52] mikedep334: yeah, that's what I am going for [01:52] also [01:52] probably an i5 or some such. [01:52] AMD's fusion process are coming out anyday now [01:52] but if you do go with a the very latest models, linux compatibility may not be as good [01:52] mutantturkey, do you use windows? [01:57] mikedep334: arch linux [01:57] mikedep334: yeah, but it will still be good. [01:57] I have an atom330 right now... [01:57] anything is better [02:00] one thing though [02:00] if your distro is like Ubuntu and includes proprietary firmware modules [02:00] intel wi-fi is well supported [02:01] Intel graphics also works the best under linux, but you will need a new Xorg, mesa, kernel, etc for the new intel core i3/i5/i7 #### series graphics (the "Sandy Bridge" platform/CPU's) [02:02] what do you mean a new Xorg? [02:02] I'm pretty sure Ubuntu users have to use Ubuntu 11.04 for that, or install messy PPA's on 10.10 [02:02] archlinux is rolling release :) we literally use anything upstream. [02:02] mutantturkey, ahh, right! [02:02] the second upstream releases we pull it. [02:02] so basically that means we don't have to deal with bugs [02:02] mutantturkey, without applying any patches? [02:02] because It's all upstreams fault :) [02:02] we try to not. [02:02] the less patches the better, mostly we are ok without thme [02:02] cool [02:02] anything old we drop, so no patches [02:03] we already dropped gnome 2.x [02:03] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_15_snb&num=1 [02:03] Title: [Phoronix] Intel Sandy Bridge On Fedora 15 Is Decent (at www.phoronix.com) [02:03] I don't know much with fedor [02:03] what is sandy bridge exactly though [02:03] I'm just linking to an article about sandy bridge [02:03] the latest one [02:04] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_snbsds_compare&num=1 [02:04] Title: [Phoronix] Intel SNB Linux Driver Can Out Run Windows Driver (at www.phoronix.com) [02:04] again, we can outdoo any regular distro [02:05] because whever anything happens upstream we have minimal lag time [02:05] mutantturkey, enjoy doing that :) [02:05] I will admit, the lack of package signing is a bit urksome, [02:05] but other than that it is good. [02:05] I actually do want to try either gentoo or arch sometime soon [02:05] I am really wanting to try out the latest ubu though, I hear it's cleaned up alot [02:05] mostly for the rolling release system [02:05] mikedep334: i suggest arch, great community. [02:06] mutantturkey, yeah [02:06] mikedep334: again though, for servers and stuff, I still use debian or ubuntu [02:06] but I want to compile stuff on my quad-core core i5 [02:06] mutantturkey, right, rolling release isn't as good for servers [02:06] though I swear it is... because we get all the latest security fixes :) [02:07] debian is the server best....old and tested.... [02:07] yeah [02:07] Suy breakage is too risky [02:08] jedijf: i hear they are going rolling release [02:08] seeing is believing [02:08] right. [02:08] anyway hmmmm what to pick for a laptop! [02:09] lenova....you don't neeed all the flash and hoopla, [02:09] mutantturkey, what size/weight were you thinking of? [02:09] mikedep334: no idea [02:09] 13.3 inch probably [02:09] max battery [02:09] doesn't matter. [02:09] ahh [02:09] jedijf: i also want it to hold up well, do they? [02:09] I think there's a good toshiba like that [02:09] 13-15 inch [02:09] at best buy & newegg [02:10] mutantturkey: they are tough [02:10] mutantturkey: i use old thinkpads in my van ....winter/summer on the road..bumps..potholes [02:10] mikedep334: newegg :) [02:10] jedijf: right on [02:11] http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Portege+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i3+Processor+/+13.3%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Blue/1930072.p?id=1218301623975&skuId=1930072 [02:11] Title: Toshiba - Portege Laptop / Intel Core i3 Processor / 13.3" Display / 4GB Memory / 640GB Hard Drive - Blue - R835-P50x (at www.bestbuy.com) [02:11] and they live there...so temperature extremes [02:11] jedijf: right [02:12] looks like newegg sold out of the older toshiba R835 model [02:13] newegg was selling the one before the HDD controller errata was fixed [02:13] http://www.adorama.com/TOR835P56.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Shopping%20Site&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=gbase [02:13] Title: PT324U-008003 Toshiba Portege R835-P56X 13.3 inch Notebook, Intel Core i5-2410M 2.3GHz Processor, 4GB RAM, 640GB Hard Drive, Windows 7 Home Premium, Blue (at www.adorama.com) [02:13] I love how it's only 3.2 lbs [02:15] http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Portege-R835-P56x-13-3-Inch-Magnesium/dp/B004G8QOJS [02:15] lol [02:15] http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.224539100?WT.mc_id=mercent&mr:trackingCode=DE3AFEE5-7264-E011-BBD9-001517384908&mr:referralID=NA [02:15] Title: Microsoft Store Online - Toshiba Portege R835 - Buy from Microsoft Store (at www.microsoftstore.com) [02:16] so many links D: [02:16] wait these are all the same.. [02:16] yeah [02:16] this looks like the most common R835 variant [02:16] do you think i should get one? [02:16] although I'm not sure about the microsoftstore.com model [02:16] mutantturkey, do more research [02:16] and price shopping [02:16] eg, shopping.google.com [02:16] but from what I've seen [02:16] it looks awesome [02:17] mikedep334: I don't really know anything about laptops... [02:17] or computers really ( hardware wise) [02:17] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=toshiba+r385+linux#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=toshiba+r835+linux&aq=f&aqi=g-b1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a17560d1ef61d5f5&biw=1264&bih=1287 [02:17] Title: toshiba r385 linux - Google Search (at www.google.com) [02:17] mutantturkey, ok, read the user reviews on amazon [02:17] mutantturkey: newegg has a lenovo i7 for 800 [02:17] and make what you can out of the hardware specs [02:17] just keep in mind [02:17] rarely do you find a laptop with a powerful process at only 3.2 lbs [02:17] and good battery life [02:18] jedijf: link? [02:18] mikedep334: how good? 8+? [02:19] ok, looks like microsoftstore.com is selling the R835-p55x, not the R835-p65x [02:19] reportedly, upto 9 hours [02:19] lets check the cnet review [02:19] http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/portege/R830/R835-P55X/ [02:19] that's the microsoftstore.com model [02:20] P55 vs P56? [02:21] http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-portege-r835-p56x/4505-3121_7-34449812.html#reviewPage1 [02:21] Title: Toshiba Portege R835-P56X Review - Watch CNET's Video Review (at reviews.cnet.com) [02:21] whoops, right [02:21] P55 vs P56 [02:21] "The biggest surprise is the vastly improved battery life, topping 7 hours, and beating even the 13-inch MacBook Pro" [02:22] yeah, for a 13.3" laptop or a 3.2 lb laptop to have a regular laptop powerful processor (eg, not a ULV (Ultra-Low-Voltage)) CPU and get 7 hours of battery life is unheard of [02:23] it even has a dvd burner too [02:23] just read the user reviews [02:23] on amazon or cnet.com [02:24] only thing missing is bluetooth [02:24] oh, the 3 different types of USB ports is really nice [02:24] mutantturkey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246094 [02:24] Title: Newegg.com - lenovo IdeaPad Y560p 43972AU NoteBook Intel Core i7 2630QM2.00GHz 15.6 4GB Memory DDR3 1333 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVDRRW AMD Radeon HD 6570M (at www.newegg.com) [02:25] jedijf, yeah, that's good if you want a powerhouse, even though it will only get upto 2 to 2.5 hours of real world battery life [02:26] the toshiba portege R835 is meant to be a different type of laptop [02:26] eg, it's 5.95 lbs [02:26] it's also much better at gaming [02:27] I don't game [02:27] I don't like hot craptops [02:27] mutantturkey, every quad-core core i7 laptop I believe has to have dedicated graphics [02:28] I don't want a desktop.... I want a laptop. [02:28] so they almost always have better graphics [02:28] yeah [02:28] mutantturkey: i would go to microcenter and 'feel' different brands so you have an idea what to expect even if you online a different model [02:28] if i wanted a quad core, i would get a desktop [02:28] that ideapad is a true "desktop replacement" [02:28] jedijf: you are a microcenter fan too? my friend raves about them [02:28] mutantturkey: best thing evar [02:28] and they sell bawls [02:29] and caffeinated candy bars [02:29] oh shucks [02:29] better go there [02:29] are the clocks relevant anymore? [02:29] 476 south--villanova exit---left at the bottom of ramp - left at 2nd light [02:30] villanova? nice. [02:30] probably will head up this weekend [02:30] mutantturkey, the best buy at KoP, next to the mall, has the best buy variant of the toshiba R835 [02:30] they also have TONS of laptops [02:30] in general [02:31] I don't like best buy [02:31] call me crazy, call me what you will. But I HATE it there. [02:31] mutantturkey, ok, fair enough [02:31] use them to see/feel product [02:31] I go in asking a few technical questions, they pretend like I don't know what I am looking for. [02:31] and then get a gino giant [02:31] "oh you must be looking for a $9000 laptop" [02:31] mikedep334: what do you think of the i5's? [02:32] mutantturkey, like 67% of the laptops at best buy are under $500 [02:32] rmg51: you have an i7 right? [02:32] yep [02:32] I have a quad-core core i5 in my desktop [02:32] 720m [02:32] the 1st gen of them [02:32] the i5-750 [02:32] I love it [02:33] but the sandy bridge models are a large improvement for the dual core variants [02:34] and the amount of performance they offer per mhz/core is huge [02:34] also [02:34] so I should get one of the newer ones? [02:34] i5's have "turboboost" [02:34] DUMB. [02:34] mutantturkey, assuming it will run ArchLinux well, yes [02:34] mutantturkey: too nice hardware may conflict with the "Arch Way".... [02:35] jedijf: not suprisingly, I find that most of them use relatively poweful hardware [02:35] when only 1 core is in use, it overclocks it [02:35] * jedijf checks the credo [02:35] the Arch way, while nice in concept boils down to one this "It better just damned work, however I want it" [02:35] mikedep334: yeah, most stuff is written for multicore anyways in linux [02:36] yeah [02:36] also [02:36] the dual-core core i5's always have "hyper-threading" [02:36] anyway my parents are getting me a laptop for college, so they said 800 bucks + anything i can add on, and that's my christmas and birthday. [02:36] mikedep334: hyperthreading. LOL [02:36] well actually, on my intel atom it's like a 20% performance boost when i use it [02:37] mutantturkey, yup [02:37] I compiled a kernel on my fraternity brother's netbook [02:37] it was like 20% faster [02:37] with make -j2 [02:37] yeah exactly. [02:37] use -j4 [02:37] why -j2? [02:37] or -j3 [02:37] his netbook only had 1 physical core [02:38] -j2 offered about the same performance as -j3 [02:38] oh. [02:38] it was hard to tell [02:38] mine is a desktop 330 [02:38] so i have dual + ht [02:38] i do -j3 so I have one core to browse+ music whatever. [02:38] reportedly you should use 1 more job than logical cores you have [02:38] some say to even use twice as many jobs [02:39] oh really? [02:39] I always heard, one less than. [02:39] at least the number of cores you have [02:39] anyway, on an Atom, it's all a joke. [02:39] mutantturkey: where you going to college? [02:39] but, compile the kernel in a ramfs and that's a nice speedup [02:39] an easy benchmark is the linux kernel with "allnoconfig" [02:40] jedijf: montco still for now, but I am getting a job at drexel working for a professor for a comp sci project all summer [02:40] montco again till the spring, then temple in the fall probably. [02:40] that way it compiles a more reasonable amount of the kernel [02:40] mutantturkey: nice [02:41] mikedep334: I have an extensivly modified kernel [02:41] no autoload modules or anything, [02:41] autoload is dumb. [02:41] I mean, it's nice, except that It re-figures out what you have every time [02:41] they should cache it, then if you have some new hardware, you can manually load it. [02:41] the overhead is a few seconds of wasted life [02:42] yeah [02:42] anyway. [02:42] jedijf: yeah I am pretty psyched except ridiculously busy. [02:43] mutantturkey: welcome to adulthood [02:43] 'ish [02:43] so that's going to be 2 jobs, both with like 25+ hours a week, then going to school (summer semster) + music and stuff + girlfriend. [02:43] fml. [02:44] mutantturkey: i would use next weekend to go to kop best buy and microcenter just to get a feel for what hardware is out there...the builds, the kb's ...the 'feel' stuff , then research online [02:45] are there any aluminum cases for laptops? like mac's or anything [02:47] dumb dunkin wifi.... [02:48] jedijf: yeah I just need to get a feel for it [02:49] mutantturkey_: one of my hangups with 'real' laptops is the touchpad landing area...i seem to prefer the netbook form factor of that layout [02:50] so, take your time...you end up living with it for a while [02:50] I am not crazy about touch pads, I am oriented towards keyboard [02:52] i think that's why i love the old tp's...the eraserhead [02:52] no touchpads [02:52] eraserheads <3 [02:56] after all that...almost every dev I know is macbook'd up [02:57] blech [02:57] just sayin'..you may want to throw 200 into it and get where you're gonna end up eventually anyway [02:57] I Looked at it seriously [02:57] I know, but I love linux [02:57] how is dual booting on it? [02:57] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook [02:57] Title: MacBook - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org) [02:57] also they are 1) not powerful 2) way to expensive for what you get 3) hipster [02:58] I mean that looks legit [02:58] the price is not justified. [02:58] microcenter has them..look and keep an open mind [02:58] it is uncanny how, like i said, everyone is suing them [02:58] s/suing/using [02:58] I will take a look and such. [02:59] me and freud..linux forever [02:59] I am a linux guy also, you know that. [02:59] mac's hardware is nicely laid out, i wish other vendors would switch to similar styles [03:01] i think the variation in price is justified by the level of service available to you... [03:01] do you think? [03:01] have to give the devil his due [03:01] also for the fact that I am strongly interested in audio production [03:02] how is the mac hardware though? [03:02] they go to those apple stores and always leave satisfied [03:02] we always say they're underpowered, but in the end, they perform [03:03] andrew: you around? your opinion would be appreciated [03:06] I am also looking for a laptop that will last [03:06] I do not get the impression with macs... [03:06] I feel like they get dated very quickly [03:10] i just wanted to be fair....ultimately, all of your personal factors will be part of this decision, but you should give it a look, even if only for research [03:10] right of course [03:12] yeah, the last dev i polled is a mac user too....it's 100% [03:13] 22:04 <@jedijf> erikh: you use a mac? [03:13] 22:10 < erikh> yessir [03:13] haha [03:13] runy guy ^^^^ [03:13] ruby [03:13] arch user too [03:13] exactly [03:13] I say 75% of arch users are devs, or mess around with coding. [03:14] i almost pulled the mac trigger(again) a couple of months ago [03:15] * jedijf stares at iBook in the corner [03:16] hmm.....http://www.archlinuxppc.org/ [03:16] Title: Arch Linux PPC (at www.archlinuxppc.org) [03:18] time to sleep....good luck searching...whatever you decide will be great; it'll be *new* [03:23] goodnight. [09:30] \o/ <( Successful OS install ) [10:44] Morning. [10:47] morning JonathanD [10:47] how goes? [10:51] slowly [10:52] we don't have any hot water :-( [10:52] since yesterday :-/ [10:52] cold showers aren't any fun [10:53] oh dear. [10:53] sure they are, when it's this hot [10:54] try it [10:54] it's not fun [12:12] jedijf: I am now... [15:11] * ChinnoDog yawns [15:54] * InHisName yawns too [15:56] damnit, so did I [16:34] hi BeckySanderlin_x [16:35] sec.. configuring new OS install [16:39] how are you ChinnoDog [16:40] jackson, are you trying peppermint too? [16:40] i have [16:41] 2 or 1? [16:41] one [16:41] oo0o0o [16:41] you should try Two [16:41] i just installed it [16:41] ok :) [16:41] well, i had a liveUSB of it [16:41] but i cleaned out my HDD and installed it just now [16:41] quick, simple [16:41] clean [16:42] works from the jump [16:42] and now, its based off of Lubuntu 11.04 [16:42] and im loving it [16:42] ok [16:43] BeckySanderlin_x: I am good. Working. *sigh* [16:44] Work on! [16:44] get the paycheck [16:44] work. pfft [16:44] hallo ssweeny [16:44] hows you today [16:44] work is way overrated ;-) [16:45] hi BeckySanderlin_x [16:45] i's just peachy [16:45] good [16:45] also working but it's really hard for me to complain [16:45] you guys on at work on the internet. Stop complaining [16:46] if i was at work on the internets i'd be all like 'weeeeeeeeeeeeee verrroooooooom' [16:47] not just that [16:47] i work on free software from my house [16:47] also on the internet [16:47] so thats more weeee verroooom's [16:48] have to temper the wee verrooms and actually get some work done [16:48] true.. [16:48] very true [16:49] * teddy-dbear has to actually leave the apartment :-/ [16:49] bai [19:26] I think it is funny that my phone downloads 110mb updates OTA when I still remember waiting 4 hours for an 11mb Warcraft 2 demo to download. [19:31] ? [19:31] warcraft 2? [19:31] your download has been going for like 15 years by now [19:31] why would w2 be 4hrs? [19:32] what kind of internets do you have? [19:32] i think he means when wc2 was out [19:32] in 90s [19:32] ahh [19:32] back in 56k days i guess [19:32] Baud! [19:33] anyways.. back to beating WINE into submission to make it do my bidding(s). [19:41] im installing ruby on my Desktop :D [23:55] Minecraft surpasses 2.5 million in sales, still in beta ( http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/13/minecraft-surpasses-2-5-million-in-sales-still-in-beta/ ) [23:56] Title: Minecraft surpasses 2.5 million in sales, still in beta | Joystiq (at www.joystiq.com)