| vychune | o/ | 00:05 |
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| wrst | twayneprice: irccloud is pretty cool | 13:40 |
| twayneprice | wrst: yea, I'm a little concerned that they may be too limiting, though. I have a message in the upper right that says: "This is a subscription service. Not all the limits are enforced during the beta, but your current usage exceeds the normal allowance." | 13:41 |
| wrst | yeah that doesn't sound real promising | 13:42 |
| wrst | I haven't played with it much yet other than have it running | 13:42 |
| twayneprice | I really like not having to run a server and being able to connect from any browser, though. | 13:44 |
| wrst | that is really nice | 13:44 |
| wrst | but I keep a server running all the time for file/print duties at home so its not the end of the world for me either way other than when the internet goes missing | 13:44 |
| Xpistos | Morning all. wrst. | 14:20 |
| wrst | morning Xpistos :) | 14:21 |
| cyberanger | I like the feel of most IRC clients more than the WebUI ones | 14:40 |
| cyberanger | so that'd be tough | 14:40 |
| cyberanger | server admin not running a server and hateing the webui he's using, that'd not fly | 14:40 |
| cyberanger | morning Xpistos | 14:40 |
| wrst | cyberanger, good morning | 14:41 |
| cyberanger | morning wrst, late reply about irccloud | 14:41 |
| Xpistos | hey cyberanger | 14:41 |
| wrst | yes :) | 14:41 |
| * cyberanger wonders if irccloud is based off of quassel | 14:41 | |
| wrst | its pretty good cyberanger but can't exactly see paying much for it | 14:41 |
| * cyberanger may have just thrown mud | 14:41 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: pace_t_zulu said less than two dollars for a month of ec2 usage, right? | 14:42 |
| wrst | I think so what have you came up with cyberanger? | 14:43 |
| cyberanger | my counter says 0.66 for 1d 1h (maybe a little inaccurate) | 14:43 |
| cyberanger | however I signed up for the free tier, so unless I went over in some dept. I should be good for a year | 14:44 |
| wrst | cyberanger: they have a counter? | 14:45 |
| wrst | I might have to look at that | 14:45 |
| cyberanger | but for comparison, only thing I did that he might not have have was setting up openvpn (burned cpu getting it up)\ | 14:46 |
| cyberanger | wrst: byobu notification, ec2 cost | 14:46 |
| wrst | cool | 14:46 |
| cyberanger | now amazon has a calculator, but they don't really have a way to translate it to usage, they might have a more accurate counter | 14:47 |
| cyberanger | but 30 days at 20 dollars (I'm rounding up actually) is roughly 67 cents per day | 14:49 |
| cyberanger | for higher limits (and it feels like less load on the VPS than ec2, more responsive) | 14:49 |
| cyberanger | so if I'm at 0.66 on the counter, it's nice for flexability, nice for grabbing a box due to high demand (not nice for failing and taking nice sites like reddit and foursquare down too) | 14:51 |
| cyberanger | but if I'm to believe this cost, part of which maybe inflated the first day setup and all, trying to keep that in mind (maybe today I use a penny, but overnight I wasn't ssh'd in, shot up ten, twenty cents) | 14:53 |
| wrst | hmm | 14:54 |
| cyberanger | I should have grabbed the numbers and logged better, see wether it shot up much while I was away, and audit to find out why | 14:55 |
| cyberanger | (I hate that word, I wonder if accountants do too, audit audit audit (don't necessarlly mind doing it (in this context as an admin) but of all words to choose, audit sounds, bland I guess?) | 14:56 |
| cyberanger | wrst: I should disclaimer, ec2 has a manner of charging for what's used, if I kept it solely to irc, maybe a different number | 15:01 |
| cyberanger | I think pace_t_zulu metioned ssh tunneling, I've done that (I tossed in squid proxy, which going over the cost might be a mistake, cheap bandwidth, cheap I/O, but one is costing more than the other, is squid saving me any) | 15:03 |
| cyberanger | and knowing the limits feels more like a real machine, vs the limit is your wallet, use what you want, charge for what's used | 15:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst: but yeah it maybe doable, for just IRC, minus extra for setup (it's held at 0.66 for awhile now) | 15:14 |
| wrst | I'm curious to try one out would be nice to have a "exependable" remote machine | 15:15 |
| cyberanger | but for something you plan to leave running, find something fun to throw on it, get it worth 20 a month, look at something meant for that, use the ec2 for backup | 15:15 |
| cyberanger | that might be the right way to really value ec2 | 15:15 |
| cyberanger | it is rather expendable | 15:15 |
| wrst | of course you can run vms for that but nice to have them on another network sometimes | 15:16 |
| cyberanger | they don't charge for downtime, linode does (insofar your still tying up a slot at their place, it's like a flight attendant always away, landlord still charges rent, vs the flight attendant always sticking to hotels | 15:17 |
| cyberanger | yeah, a disposable server, but it's high quality still | 15:18 |
| cyberanger | start it up due to high load (say our site gets hit for release party data) then shut it off later cause it's too little | 15:18 |
| cyberanger | keeping the main server too | 15:18 |
| cyberanger | wrst: I think the second I run a DNS server again, linodes cost is gonna be better, due to the nature of bind (and most full dns servers for that matter) | 15:23 |
| twayneprice | cyberanger: did you choose a "micro" type? | 15:49 |
| cyberanger | yeah, I did, offical natty amd64 | 15:50 |
| twayneprice | Did you have an account before or create a brand new one? | 15:50 |
| cyberanger | both, however never used the previous account, unfortunately | 15:52 |
| cyberanger | your getting at the free tier (which has some limits) aren't you (if you are, I have that, lest I blow a limit, or 12 months go by and it's some of the same questions) | 15:53 |
| twayneprice | Yea, I've had an account for a couple of years so I'm not eligible for the free tier. It cost me about $.02/hour for the micro. And about $.08 for a small. I've used on-demand pricing for a small before that got that down to about $.04. | 15:57 |
| twayneprice | cyberanger: here is my bill for last month: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2s16mfq&s=7 | 16:06 |
| twayneprice | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z4zi51&s=7 | 16:06 |
| pace_t_zulu | hey guys | 16:09 |
| pace_t_zulu | sorry i've been in and out so briefly lately ... have had a little upheaval lately | 16:09 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: ping | 16:09 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: pong | 16:14 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: pm | 16:15 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: least it's not huge upheaval, sorry to hear it | 16:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: not at all | 16:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: main thing was moving offices ... just takes a little time to get situated | 16:20 |
| Xpistos | Hey when I installed screen in my wife's ubuntu 11.04 it said I should install byobu. what is that? | 16:33 |
| Xpistos | and do I want to install that? | 16:34 |
| wrst | Xpistos: its a .... well... cyberanger tell him what it is | 16:38 |
| wrst | its kinda like the terminal on steroids gives some system info etc and a lot more I'm sure | 16:38 |
| wrst | Xpistos: here is an old article: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/11/enhancing-terminals-with-byobu-on.html | 16:40 |
| cyberanger | it's GNU Screen on steroids | 17:00 |
| cyberanger | GNU Screen is a terminal (or console) on steroids | 17:00 |
| cyberanger | it's small, install and try (you can always purge, but honestly, I'd purge something bigger and unused first, we're talking a floppy utilized) | 17:01 |
| wrst | thanks cyberanger :) | 17:06 |
| cyberanger | when your a terminal maniac (like me) it shows it's value | 17:08 |
| cyberanger | byobu enhanced GNU Screen by acting like a terminal conky of sorts | 17:09 |
| wrst | cyberanger: that's a good way to put it terminal conky | 17:10 |
| cyberanger | http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4183 | 17:12 |
| cyberanger | at least the difference between the two (It's just more show than tell, hard to describe screen, and comparing the upgrade to conky isn't quite serving it justice) | 17:13 |
| wrst | cool screen shot cyberanger | 17:51 |
| cyberanger | thx | 17:55 |
| electricus | cyberanger: nice screen session setup you got there | 18:55 |
| electricus | i love screen.. but I don't use half of what it can do. :-) | 18:55 |
| electricus | it's especially great for reading --helps or manpages while trying out commands or setting stuff up | 18:56 |
| electricus | cyberanger: would you mind giving me a copy of your .screenrc file? | 18:57 |
| cyberanger | electricus: since byobu is used, .screenrc is blank | 19:05 |
| cyberanger | one line "idle 300; detach" 5 minutes idle, detach and ssh closes the connection | 19:06 |
| cyberanger | run byobu-config to try that look | 19:06 |
| electricus | ah. ok | 19:06 |
| cyberanger | split like that is meta S like that (or vertical is meta | ) | 19:07 |
| cyberanger | meta by default (for debian and ubuntu at least) is ctrl + a | 19:07 |
| cyberanger | but I think I can get the byobu config file too | 19:07 |
| electricus | ok.. cool | 19:08 |
| electricus | that's pretty nice. | 19:08 |
| electricus | is it easier to split screens and toggle back and forth? | 19:08 |
| cyberanger | just saying it's actually pretty much stock (added one item, the money is ec2-cost notification applet) | 19:08 |
| electricus | or same shortcuts as screen? | 19:08 |
| electricus | sweet | 19:08 |
| electricus | what about notifications to a windows box using putty? | 19:09 |
| cyberanger | if you don't have byobu (or screen-extra back when) it can be exported into a screenrc format | 19:09 |
| electricus | have you ever done that? | 19:09 |
| cyberanger | once or twice | 21:01 |
| cyberanger | when I had a version with byobu, and an older lts | 21:01 |
| cyberanger | and perhaps a few other times (when I further customized screen/byobu, but since the server (which I screenshot) is always running, don't bother) | 21:02 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: 0.82 now, ssh is a big factor in increasing it | 21:10 |
| cyberanger | but considering I've chewed up 700MB or so yesterday setting this up and such, makes since | 21:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: you tunneling all your data? | 21:11 |
| cyberanger | no, actually most was irc, and ssh to watch the client | 21:12 |
| cyberanger | (fetching server daemons and such increased yesterdays load) | 21:12 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: why do you need to persistently watch the irc client? | 21:13 |
| cyberanger | I've got a proxy on my laptop, misses had been transparently intercepted to squid on the firewall | 21:13 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: can't you run the client inside screen ? | 21:13 |
| pace_t_zulu | i'm assuming you're using irrsi | 21:14 |
| cyberanger | I don't necessarlly need to, I use byobu (formerly screen-extras) | 21:15 |
| cyberanger | the amount of overhead for ssh should not equal this | 21:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: yea i know what byobo is | 21:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: that's not ssh overhead ... it's byobu overhead | 21:15 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: figured you did (but I've explained it earlier today, just keeping the memory fresh) | 21:16 |
| cyberanger | byobu is doing what in terms of I/O to justify that | 21:16 |
| cyberanger | (I can see weechat's logs triggering it, but nowhere near that rate, I calculated my I/O rate and spot on with bandwidth (we're looking at 780MB around now, alot of that yesterday's install) | 21:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: updating values constantly | 21:17 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: from ram it should not count | 21:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: my recollection is that byobo updates system info like load etc | 21:18 |
| * cyberanger wonders if swap is on | 21:18 | |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: the updates have to be sent over your ssh connection to display | 21:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i'd suggest not leaving irssi running in screen all day | 21:18 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: yes, but if I recall only if the notifier is set, I've got no HDD related notifer, just processor, ram and bandwidth (and uptime) | 21:19 |
| cyberanger | all ram, no I/O | 21:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: yea... but that persistent ssh connection i reckon is your problem | 21:20 |
| cyberanger | as for leaving screen mounted, I've done this consistantly, that cannot be the source | 21:20 |
| cyberanger | and it's not allways on, idle 300; detach | 21:20 |
| cyberanger | I idle for 5 minutes, screen detaches, and becuase it was ssh's launching command (-t screen -UdRR) | 21:21 |
| cyberanger | ssh closes nicely | 21:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i've logged in to the amazon console | 21:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i see that my ec2 instance is "free tier" | 21:21 |
| cyberanger | it is speeding it up, yes, but the rate is higher than calculated | 21:21 |
| cyberanger | mine should be too, if it's not, I've set aside 20 bucks, and until I hit that, I'm running it nonstop (aside from any necessary reboots) | 21:22 |
| cyberanger | trying to accurately compare to linode as best I can | 21:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i'm trying to track down billing | 21:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i have NO idea how you are taxing your instance soooo much | 21:23 |
| cyberanger | same, but I'm putting money on I/O somewhere | 21:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i think i'm on the Micro On-Demand Instance at $0.02 per hour | 21:24 |
| cyberanger | or miscalculated or perhaps | 21:25 |
| cyberanger | you are (but one year free, if you don't hit any cap) | 21:25 |
| cyberanger | plus I/O, and bandwidth costs | 21:25 |
| cyberanger | note, I've not actually been billed, rather I'm using the ec2-cost notifer in byobu | 21:26 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: the install burned more than I first knew | 21:30 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: can't talk for a few | 21:30 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: later though | 21:30 |
| cyberanger | that's what did it, 20 cents today or so (well below expected marker for 1d 8h | 21:31 |
| cyberanger | oh, k, later | 21:31 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: is there anyway to access the ec2-cost other than byobu? (i never jumped on the byobu train) | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: idk, afaik nothing | 22:30 |
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