[00:05] <vychune> o/
[13:40] <wrst> twayneprice: irccloud is pretty cool
[13:41] <twayneprice> wrst: yea, I'm a little concerned that they may be too limiting, though.  I have a message in the upper right that says:  "This is a subscription service. Not all the limits are enforced during the beta, but your current usage exceeds the normal allowance."
[13:42] <wrst> yeah that doesn't sound real promising
[13:42] <wrst> I haven't played with it much yet other than have it running
[13:44] <twayneprice> I really like not having to run a server and being able to connect from any browser, though.
[13:44] <wrst> that is really nice
[13:44] <wrst> but I keep a server running all the time for file/print duties at home so its not the end of the world for me either way other than when the internet goes missing
[14:20] <Xpistos> Morning all. wrst.
[14:21] <wrst> morning Xpistos :)
[14:40] <cyberanger> I like the feel of most IRC clients more than the WebUI ones
[14:40] <cyberanger> so that'd be tough
[14:40] <cyberanger> server admin not running a server and hateing the webui he's using, that'd not fly
[14:40] <cyberanger> morning Xpistos
[14:41] <wrst> cyberanger, good morning
[14:41] <cyberanger> morning wrst, late reply about irccloud
[14:41] <Xpistos> hey cyberanger
[14:41] <wrst> yes :)
[14:41]  * cyberanger wonders if irccloud is based off of quassel
[14:41] <wrst> its pretty good cyberanger but can't exactly see paying much for it
[14:41]  * cyberanger may have just thrown mud
[14:42] <cyberanger> wrst: pace_t_zulu said less than two dollars for a month of ec2 usage, right?
[14:43] <wrst> I think so what have you came up with cyberanger?
[14:43] <cyberanger> my counter says 0.66 for 1d 1h (maybe a little inaccurate)
[14:44] <cyberanger> however I signed up for the free tier, so unless I went over in some dept. I should be good for a year
[14:45] <wrst> cyberanger: they have a counter?
[14:45] <wrst> I might have to look at that
[14:46] <cyberanger> but for comparison, only thing I did that he might not have have was setting up openvpn (burned cpu getting it up)\
[14:46] <cyberanger> wrst: byobu notification, ec2 cost
[14:46] <wrst> cool
[14:47] <cyberanger> now amazon has a calculator, but they don't really have a way to translate it to usage, they might have a more accurate counter
[14:49] <cyberanger> but 30 days at 20 dollars (I'm rounding up actually) is roughly 67 cents per day
[14:49] <cyberanger> for higher limits (and it feels like less load on the VPS than ec2, more responsive)
[14:51] <cyberanger> so if I'm at 0.66 on the counter, it's nice for flexability, nice for grabbing a box due to high demand (not nice for failing and taking nice sites like reddit and foursquare down too)
[14:53] <cyberanger> but if I'm to believe this cost, part of which maybe inflated the first day setup and all, trying to keep that in mind (maybe today I use a penny, but overnight I wasn't ssh'd in, shot up ten, twenty cents)
[14:54] <wrst> hmm
[14:55] <cyberanger> I should have grabbed the numbers and logged better, see wether it shot up much while I was away, and audit to find out why
[14:56] <cyberanger> (I hate that word, I wonder if accountants do too, audit audit audit (don't necessarlly mind doing it (in this context as an admin) but of all words to choose, audit sounds, bland I guess?)
[15:01] <cyberanger> wrst: I should disclaimer, ec2 has a manner of charging for what's used, if I kept it solely to irc, maybe a different number
[15:03] <cyberanger> I think pace_t_zulu metioned ssh tunneling, I've done that (I tossed in squid proxy, which going over the cost might be a mistake, cheap bandwidth, cheap I/O, but one is costing more than the other, is squid saving me any)
[15:04] <cyberanger> and knowing the limits feels more like a real machine, vs the limit is your wallet, use what you want, charge for what's used
[15:14] <cyberanger> wrst: but yeah it maybe doable, for just IRC, minus extra for setup (it's held at 0.66 for awhile now)
[15:15] <wrst> I'm curious to try one out would be nice to have a "exependable" remote machine
[15:15] <cyberanger> but for something you plan to leave running, find something fun to throw on it, get it worth 20 a month, look at something meant for that, use the ec2 for backup
[15:15] <cyberanger> that might be the right way to really value ec2
[15:15] <cyberanger> it is rather expendable
[15:16] <wrst> of course you can run vms for that but nice to have them on another network sometimes
[15:17] <cyberanger> they don't charge for downtime, linode does (insofar your still tying up a slot at their place, it's like a flight attendant always away, landlord still charges rent, vs the flight attendant always sticking to hotels
[15:18] <cyberanger> yeah, a disposable server, but it's high quality still
[15:18] <cyberanger> start it up due to high load (say our site gets hit for release party data) then shut it off later cause it's too little
[15:18] <cyberanger> keeping the main server too
[15:23] <cyberanger> wrst: I think the second I run a DNS server again, linodes cost is gonna be better, due to the nature of bind (and most full dns servers for that matter)
[15:49] <twayneprice> cyberanger: did you choose a "micro" type?
[15:50] <cyberanger> yeah, I did, offical natty amd64
[15:50] <twayneprice> Did you have an account before or create a brand new one?
[15:52] <cyberanger> both, however never used the previous account, unfortunately
[15:53] <cyberanger> your getting at the free tier (which has some limits) aren't you (if you are, I have that, lest I blow a limit, or 12 months go by and it's some of the same questions)
[15:57] <twayneprice> Yea, I've had an account for a couple of years so I'm not eligible for the free tier.  It cost me about $.02/hour for the micro.  And about $.08 for a small.  I've used on-demand pricing for a small before that got that down to about $.04.
[16:06] <twayneprice> cyberanger: here is my bill for last month:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2s16mfq&s=7
[16:06] <twayneprice> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z4zi51&s=7
[16:09] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[16:09] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i've been in and out so briefly lately ... have had a little upheaval lately
[16:09] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ping
[16:14] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[16:15] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: pm
[16:20] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: least it's not huge upheaval, sorry to hear it
[16:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: not at all
[16:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: main thing was moving offices ... just takes a little time to get situated
[16:33] <Xpistos> Hey when I installed screen in my wife's ubuntu 11.04 it said I should install byobu. what is that?
[16:34] <Xpistos> and do I want to install that?
[16:38] <wrst> Xpistos: its a .... well... cyberanger tell him what it is
[16:38] <wrst> its kinda like the terminal on steroids gives some system info etc and a lot more I'm sure
[16:40] <wrst> Xpistos: here is an old article: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/11/enhancing-terminals-with-byobu-on.html
[17:00] <cyberanger> it's GNU Screen on steroids
[17:00] <cyberanger> GNU Screen is a terminal (or console) on steroids
[17:01] <cyberanger> it's small, install and try (you can always purge, but honestly, I'd purge something bigger and unused first, we're talking a floppy utilized)
[17:06] <wrst> thanks cyberanger :)
[17:08] <cyberanger> when your a terminal maniac (like me) it shows it's value
[17:09] <cyberanger> byobu enhanced GNU Screen by acting like a terminal conky of sorts
[17:10] <wrst> cyberanger: that's a good way to put it terminal conky
[17:12] <cyberanger> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4183
[17:13] <cyberanger> at least the difference between the two (It's just more show than tell, hard to describe screen, and comparing the upgrade to conky isn't quite serving it justice)
[17:51] <wrst> cool screen shot cyberanger
[17:55] <cyberanger> thx
[18:55] <electricus> cyberanger: nice screen session setup you got there
[18:55] <electricus> i love screen.. but I don't use half of what it can do. :-)
[18:56] <electricus> it's especially great for reading --helps or manpages while trying out commands or setting stuff up
[18:57] <electricus> cyberanger: would you mind giving me a copy of your .screenrc file?
[19:05] <cyberanger> electricus: since byobu is used, .screenrc is blank
[19:06] <cyberanger> one line "idle 300; detach" 5 minutes idle, detach and ssh closes the connection
[19:06] <cyberanger> run byobu-config to try that look
[19:06] <electricus> ah. ok
[19:07] <cyberanger> split like that is meta S like that (or vertical is meta | )
[19:07] <cyberanger> meta by default (for debian and ubuntu at least) is ctrl + a
[19:07] <cyberanger> but I think I can get the byobu config file too
[19:08] <electricus> ok.. cool
[19:08] <electricus> that's pretty nice.
[19:08] <electricus> is it easier to split screens and toggle back and forth?
[19:08] <cyberanger> just saying it's actually pretty much stock (added one item, the money is ec2-cost notification applet)
[19:08] <electricus> or same shortcuts as screen?
[19:08] <electricus> sweet
[19:09] <electricus> what about notifications to a windows box using putty?
[19:09] <cyberanger> if you don't have byobu (or screen-extra back when) it can be exported into a screenrc format
[19:09] <electricus> have you ever done that?
[21:01] <cyberanger> once or twice
[21:01] <cyberanger> when I had a version with byobu, and an older lts
[21:02] <cyberanger> and perhaps a few other times (when I further customized screen/byobu, but since the server (which I screenshot) is always running, don't bother)
[21:10] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: 0.82 now, ssh is a big factor in increasing it
[21:11] <cyberanger> but considering I've chewed up 700MB or so yesterday setting this up and such, makes since
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you tunneling all your data?
[21:12] <cyberanger> no, actually most was irc, and ssh to watch the client
[21:12] <cyberanger> (fetching server daemons and such increased yesterdays load)
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: why do you need to persistently watch the irc client?
[21:13] <cyberanger> I've got a proxy on my laptop, misses had been transparently intercepted to squid on the firewall
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: can't you run the client inside screen ?
[21:14] <pace_t_zulu> i'm assuming you're using irrsi
[21:15] <cyberanger> I don't necessarlly need to, I use byobu (formerly screen-extras)
[21:15] <cyberanger> the amount of overhead for ssh should not equal this
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea i know what byobo is
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's not ssh overhead ... it's byobu overhead
[21:16] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: figured you did (but I've explained it earlier today, just keeping the memory fresh)
[21:16] <cyberanger> byobu is doing what in terms of I/O to justify that
[21:17] <cyberanger> (I can see weechat's logs triggering it, but nowhere near that rate, I calculated my I/O rate and spot on with bandwidth (we're looking at 780MB around now, alot of that yesterday's install)
[21:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: updating values constantly
[21:18] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: from ram it should not count
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: my recollection is that byobo updates system info like load etc
[21:18]  * cyberanger wonders if swap is on
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: the updates have to be sent over your ssh connection to display
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'd suggest not leaving irssi running in screen all day
[21:19] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yes, but if I recall only if the notifier is set, I've got no HDD related notifer, just processor, ram and bandwidth (and uptime)
[21:19] <cyberanger> all ram, no I/O
[21:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... but that persistent ssh connection i reckon is your problem
[21:20] <cyberanger> as for leaving screen mounted, I've done this consistantly, that cannot be the source
[21:20] <cyberanger> and it's not allways on, idle 300; detach
[21:21] <cyberanger> I idle for 5 minutes, screen detaches, and becuase it was ssh's launching command (-t screen -UdRR)
[21:21] <cyberanger> ssh closes nicely
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i've logged in to the amazon console
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger:  i see that my ec2 instance is "free tier"
[21:21] <cyberanger> it is speeding it up, yes, but the rate is higher than calculated
[21:22] <cyberanger> mine should be too, if it's not, I've set aside 20 bucks, and until I hit that, I'm running it nonstop (aside from any necessary reboots)
[21:22] <cyberanger> trying to accurately compare to linode as best I can
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm trying to track down billing
[21:23] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i have NO idea how you are taxing your instance soooo much
[21:24] <cyberanger> same, but I'm putting money on I/O somewhere
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i think i'm on the Micro On-Demand Instance at $0.02 per hour
[21:25] <cyberanger> or miscalculated or perhaps
[21:25] <cyberanger> you are (but one year free, if you don't hit any cap)
[21:25] <cyberanger> plus I/O, and bandwidth costs
[21:26] <cyberanger> note, I've not actually been billed, rather I'm using the ec2-cost notifer in byobu
[21:30] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: the install burned more than I first knew
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: can't talk for a few
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: later though
[21:31] <cyberanger> that's what did it, 20 cents today or so (well below expected marker for 1d 8h
[21:31] <cyberanger> oh, k, later
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: is there anyway to access the ec2-cost other than byobu? (i never jumped on the byobu train)
[22:30] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: idk, afaik nothing