[00:05] o/ [13:40] twayneprice: irccloud is pretty cool [13:41] wrst: yea, I'm a little concerned that they may be too limiting, though. I have a message in the upper right that says: "This is a subscription service. Not all the limits are enforced during the beta, but your current usage exceeds the normal allowance." [13:42] yeah that doesn't sound real promising [13:42] I haven't played with it much yet other than have it running [13:44] I really like not having to run a server and being able to connect from any browser, though. [13:44] that is really nice [13:44] but I keep a server running all the time for file/print duties at home so its not the end of the world for me either way other than when the internet goes missing [14:20] Morning all. wrst. [14:21] morning Xpistos :) [14:40] I like the feel of most IRC clients more than the WebUI ones [14:40] so that'd be tough [14:40] server admin not running a server and hateing the webui he's using, that'd not fly [14:40] morning Xpistos [14:41] cyberanger, good morning [14:41] morning wrst, late reply about irccloud [14:41] hey cyberanger [14:41] yes :) [14:41] * cyberanger wonders if irccloud is based off of quassel [14:41] its pretty good cyberanger but can't exactly see paying much for it [14:41] * cyberanger may have just thrown mud [14:42] wrst: pace_t_zulu said less than two dollars for a month of ec2 usage, right? [14:43] I think so what have you came up with cyberanger? [14:43] my counter says 0.66 for 1d 1h (maybe a little inaccurate) [14:44] however I signed up for the free tier, so unless I went over in some dept. I should be good for a year [14:45] cyberanger: they have a counter? [14:45] I might have to look at that [14:46] but for comparison, only thing I did that he might not have have was setting up openvpn (burned cpu getting it up)\ [14:46] wrst: byobu notification, ec2 cost [14:46] cool [14:47] now amazon has a calculator, but they don't really have a way to translate it to usage, they might have a more accurate counter [14:49] but 30 days at 20 dollars (I'm rounding up actually) is roughly 67 cents per day [14:49] for higher limits (and it feels like less load on the VPS than ec2, more responsive) [14:51] so if I'm at 0.66 on the counter, it's nice for flexability, nice for grabbing a box due to high demand (not nice for failing and taking nice sites like reddit and foursquare down too) [14:53] but if I'm to believe this cost, part of which maybe inflated the first day setup and all, trying to keep that in mind (maybe today I use a penny, but overnight I wasn't ssh'd in, shot up ten, twenty cents) [14:54] hmm [14:55] I should have grabbed the numbers and logged better, see wether it shot up much while I was away, and audit to find out why [14:56] (I hate that word, I wonder if accountants do too, audit audit audit (don't necessarlly mind doing it (in this context as an admin) but of all words to choose, audit sounds, bland I guess?) [15:01] wrst: I should disclaimer, ec2 has a manner of charging for what's used, if I kept it solely to irc, maybe a different number [15:03] I think pace_t_zulu metioned ssh tunneling, I've done that (I tossed in squid proxy, which going over the cost might be a mistake, cheap bandwidth, cheap I/O, but one is costing more than the other, is squid saving me any) [15:04] and knowing the limits feels more like a real machine, vs the limit is your wallet, use what you want, charge for what's used [15:14] wrst: but yeah it maybe doable, for just IRC, minus extra for setup (it's held at 0.66 for awhile now) [15:15] I'm curious to try one out would be nice to have a "exependable" remote machine [15:15] but for something you plan to leave running, find something fun to throw on it, get it worth 20 a month, look at something meant for that, use the ec2 for backup [15:15] that might be the right way to really value ec2 [15:15] it is rather expendable [15:16] of course you can run vms for that but nice to have them on another network sometimes [15:17] they don't charge for downtime, linode does (insofar your still tying up a slot at their place, it's like a flight attendant always away, landlord still charges rent, vs the flight attendant always sticking to hotels [15:18] yeah, a disposable server, but it's high quality still [15:18] start it up due to high load (say our site gets hit for release party data) then shut it off later cause it's too little [15:18] keeping the main server too [15:23] wrst: I think the second I run a DNS server again, linodes cost is gonna be better, due to the nature of bind (and most full dns servers for that matter) [15:49] cyberanger: did you choose a "micro" type? [15:50] yeah, I did, offical natty amd64 [15:50] Did you have an account before or create a brand new one? [15:52] both, however never used the previous account, unfortunately [15:53] your getting at the free tier (which has some limits) aren't you (if you are, I have that, lest I blow a limit, or 12 months go by and it's some of the same questions) [15:57] Yea, I've had an account for a couple of years so I'm not eligible for the free tier. It cost me about $.02/hour for the micro. And about $.08 for a small. I've used on-demand pricing for a small before that got that down to about $.04. [16:06] cyberanger: here is my bill for last month: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2s16mfq&s=7 [16:06] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z4zi51&s=7 [16:09] hey guys [16:09] sorry i've been in and out so briefly lately ... have had a little upheaval lately [16:09] wrst: ping [16:14] pace_t_zulu: pong [16:15] wrst: pm [16:20] pace_t_zulu: least it's not huge upheaval, sorry to hear it [16:20] cyberanger: not at all [16:20] cyberanger: main thing was moving offices ... just takes a little time to get situated [16:33] Hey when I installed screen in my wife's ubuntu 11.04 it said I should install byobu. what is that? [16:34] and do I want to install that? [16:38] Xpistos: its a .... well... cyberanger tell him what it is [16:38] its kinda like the terminal on steroids gives some system info etc and a lot more I'm sure [16:40] Xpistos: here is an old article: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/11/enhancing-terminals-with-byobu-on.html [17:00] it's GNU Screen on steroids [17:00] GNU Screen is a terminal (or console) on steroids [17:01] it's small, install and try (you can always purge, but honestly, I'd purge something bigger and unused first, we're talking a floppy utilized) [17:06] thanks cyberanger :) [17:08] when your a terminal maniac (like me) it shows it's value [17:09] byobu enhanced GNU Screen by acting like a terminal conky of sorts [17:10] cyberanger: that's a good way to put it terminal conky [17:12] http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4183 [17:13] at least the difference between the two (It's just more show than tell, hard to describe screen, and comparing the upgrade to conky isn't quite serving it justice) [17:51] cool screen shot cyberanger [17:55] thx [18:55] cyberanger: nice screen session setup you got there [18:55] i love screen.. but I don't use half of what it can do. :-) [18:56] it's especially great for reading --helps or manpages while trying out commands or setting stuff up [18:57] cyberanger: would you mind giving me a copy of your .screenrc file? [19:05] electricus: since byobu is used, .screenrc is blank [19:06] one line "idle 300; detach" 5 minutes idle, detach and ssh closes the connection [19:06] run byobu-config to try that look [19:06] ah. ok [19:07] split like that is meta S like that (or vertical is meta | ) [19:07] meta by default (for debian and ubuntu at least) is ctrl + a [19:07] but I think I can get the byobu config file too [19:08] ok.. cool [19:08] that's pretty nice. [19:08] is it easier to split screens and toggle back and forth? [19:08] just saying it's actually pretty much stock (added one item, the money is ec2-cost notification applet) [19:08] or same shortcuts as screen? [19:08] sweet [19:09] what about notifications to a windows box using putty? [19:09] if you don't have byobu (or screen-extra back when) it can be exported into a screenrc format [19:09] have you ever done that? [21:01] once or twice [21:01] when I had a version with byobu, and an older lts [21:02] and perhaps a few other times (when I further customized screen/byobu, but since the server (which I screenshot) is always running, don't bother) [21:10] pace_t_zulu: 0.82 now, ssh is a big factor in increasing it [21:11] but considering I've chewed up 700MB or so yesterday setting this up and such, makes since [21:11] cyberanger: you tunneling all your data? [21:12] no, actually most was irc, and ssh to watch the client [21:12] (fetching server daemons and such increased yesterdays load) [21:13] cyberanger: why do you need to persistently watch the irc client? [21:13] I've got a proxy on my laptop, misses had been transparently intercepted to squid on the firewall [21:13] cyberanger: can't you run the client inside screen ? [21:14] i'm assuming you're using irrsi [21:15] I don't necessarlly need to, I use byobu (formerly screen-extras) [21:15] the amount of overhead for ssh should not equal this [21:15] cyberanger: yea i know what byobo is [21:15] cyberanger: that's not ssh overhead ... it's byobu overhead [21:16] pace_t_zulu: figured you did (but I've explained it earlier today, just keeping the memory fresh) [21:16] byobu is doing what in terms of I/O to justify that [21:17] (I can see weechat's logs triggering it, but nowhere near that rate, I calculated my I/O rate and spot on with bandwidth (we're looking at 780MB around now, alot of that yesterday's install) [21:17] cyberanger: updating values constantly [21:18] pace_t_zulu: from ram it should not count [21:18] cyberanger: my recollection is that byobo updates system info like load etc [21:18] * cyberanger wonders if swap is on [21:18] cyberanger: the updates have to be sent over your ssh connection to display [21:18] cyberanger: i'd suggest not leaving irssi running in screen all day [21:19] pace_t_zulu: yes, but if I recall only if the notifier is set, I've got no HDD related notifer, just processor, ram and bandwidth (and uptime) [21:19] all ram, no I/O [21:20] cyberanger: yea... but that persistent ssh connection i reckon is your problem [21:20] as for leaving screen mounted, I've done this consistantly, that cannot be the source [21:20] and it's not allways on, idle 300; detach [21:21] I idle for 5 minutes, screen detaches, and becuase it was ssh's launching command (-t screen -UdRR) [21:21] ssh closes nicely [21:21] cyberanger: i've logged in to the amazon console [21:21] cyberanger: i see that my ec2 instance is "free tier" [21:21] it is speeding it up, yes, but the rate is higher than calculated [21:22] mine should be too, if it's not, I've set aside 20 bucks, and until I hit that, I'm running it nonstop (aside from any necessary reboots) [21:22] trying to accurately compare to linode as best I can [21:22] cyberanger: i'm trying to track down billing [21:23] cyberanger: i have NO idea how you are taxing your instance soooo much [21:24] same, but I'm putting money on I/O somewhere [21:24] cyberanger: i think i'm on the Micro On-Demand Instance at $0.02 per hour [21:25] or miscalculated or perhaps [21:25] you are (but one year free, if you don't hit any cap) [21:25] plus I/O, and bandwidth costs [21:26] note, I've not actually been billed, rather I'm using the ec2-cost notifer in byobu [21:30] pace_t_zulu: the install burned more than I first knew [21:30] cyberanger: can't talk for a few [21:30] cyberanger: later though [21:31] that's what did it, 20 cents today or so (well below expected marker for 1d 8h [21:31] oh, k, later [22:07] cyberanger: is there anyway to access the ec2-cost other than byobu? (i never jumped on the byobu train) [22:30] pace_t_zulu: idk, afaik nothing