[00:05] <micahg> lifeless: what permission is needed to modify upstream links for Ubuntu packages
[00:08] <lifeless> I think its upload
[00:08] <lifeless> it got locked down somewhat with the new translations stuff
[00:11] <micahg> well, I can't modify for stuff I can upload
[00:11] <micahg> I was told "packager" whatever that means in LP codespeak
[00:11] <lifeless> thats a bug
[00:11] <lifeless> micahg: uploader
[00:11] <micahg> :(, I guess I need to file a bug
[00:12] <lifeless> yes indeed
[00:12] <micahg> lifeless: thanks
[00:15] <micahg> bug 796867 for anyone interested
[03:43] <twb> How often does malone process new@b.l.n mail?  It has been twenty minutes since I sent it.
[03:44] <wgrant> twb: Every three minutes, normally. Let me check the logs.
[03:44] <twb> -kernel suggested I may have a "don't email me about things I do" option enabled somewhere.
[03:45]  * ScottK is a big fan of that option.
[03:45] <twb> I'm expecting an email back from malone as I would get from debbugs, along the lines of "your new bug is #12345"
[03:46] <wgrant> twb: That option is new, and the email interface is old. If you have it enabled then you won't get any notification of a successful filing.
[03:46] <wgrant> There's no hint of an error in the log.
[03:46] <twb> I haven't used the web UI for years
[03:46] <wgrant> Hmm.
[03:46] <twb> This is the email I sent: http://paste.debian.net/119750/
[03:48] <wgrant> twb: Hm, that looks reasonable.
[03:48] <wgrant> There's an upgrade going on at the moment, but the cron jobs should still be running.
[03:48] <ajmitch> can you set importance on new bugs when not part of bugcontrol?
[03:48] <twb> ajmitch: I figured I'd try
[03:49] <twb> I'm assuming malone will complain about badness rather than dropping my mail on the floor :-(
[03:49] <ScottK> Heh.
[03:50] <wgrant> It normally does.
[03:50] <twb> wgrant: I'll idle here; holler at me if you have any news.  Thanks for looking into it.
[03:57]  * micahg has seen a case where it sets importance w/out the person in bug control
[04:00] <ScottK> wgrant: Time again for timeouts on the queue accept page: Error ID: OOPS-1991I17
[04:00] <poolie> o/ scottk
[04:00] <ScottK> That was fast.
[04:01] <ScottK> Hello poolie.
[04:03] <micahg> ugh, filing a bug against launchpad timed out now...OOPS-1991AV33
[04:06] <wgrant> twb, micahg, ScottK: Something is holding locks open on one of the bug tables. It's causing timeouts, and probably making mail processing unhappy. We're trying to fix.
[04:06] <poolie> micahg: yeah i have that too
[04:06] <poolie> wgrant: perhaps this ought to go onto lpstatus etc
[04:06] <twb> wgrant: thanks
[04:06] <wgrant> poolie: Indeed, I am finding the password.
[04:06] <poolie> thanks
[04:07] <ScottK> Ah.  Thanks.
[04:07] <micahg> wgrant: ah, thanks
[04:07] <ScottK> Might also ought to go in /topic.
[04:12] <poolie> wgrant: fwiw mine is filing, not modifying, and it's timing out 100% of the time
[04:13] <wgrant> True.
[04:13] <poolie> unless "sometimes" means "on monday" :)
[04:14] <wgrant> Not all modifications are timing out.
[04:14] <wgrant> All filing seems to be.
[04:15] <lifeless> modifications that don't change summaries won't insert into the journal
[04:19] <wgrant> poolie: Could you try filing your bug again, please?
[04:20] <ScottK> FWIW I was just able to accept a package from New.
[04:20] <poolie> i'm so glad wallyworld fixed it so i could back up and copy out my (fairly long) bug summary
[04:20] <poolie> hooray!
[04:20] <wgrant> poolie: It worked?
[04:22] <micahg> \o/ my bug worked as well
[04:22] <poolie> it did
[04:22] <wgrant> Thanks.
[04:22] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lazr.restfulclient/+bug/796992
[04:22] <wgrant> Should be all happy again now.
[04:22] <poolie> (which might amuse you by its strangeness)
[04:22] <wgrant> The upgrade held more locks that we expected, and we didn't notice it had hung.
[04:24]  * twb looks at INBOX
[04:25] <twb> wgrant: do I need to resend my new@ email?
[04:25] <wgrant> twb: Shouldn't... but we'll see.
[04:26] <wgrant> You filed a bug an hour ago and another 4 minutes ago.
[04:26] <wgrant> Bug #796993, bug #796937
[04:26] <twb> Yay
[04:26] <twb> The second one might be gmail's MTA resending or something... I didn't resend it.
[04:27] <ajmitch> it wasn't showing up on your bugs page earlier when you were asking about it, either
[04:28] <wgrant> It wasn't, no.
[04:28] <wgrant> process-mail was hung on the problematic lock.
[04:30] <mwhudson> poolie: i think you have just discovered one of the ways in which setuptools is terrible
[04:31] <wgrant> As if it needed more...
[04:36] <poolie> urk, there is no tag cloud on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr
[04:37] <poolie> and search times out
[04:38] <wgrant> poolie: What search times out?
[04:39] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/796998
[04:39] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.searchtext=xfail&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[04:39] <poolie> worked the second time
[04:39] <poolie> sorry, worked the third time, failed the first two
[04:39] <ScottK> Tag cloud is critical?
[04:39] <wgrant> It took 1.5s for me :/
[04:39] <wgrant> ScottK: It's a regression.
[04:39] <ScottK> OK.
[04:39] <wgrant> ScottK: Regressions are critical.
[04:39] <wgrant> And this particular one is easily fixed.
[04:39] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[04:40] <poolie> i'm so glad you're here, wgrant :)
[05:13] <micahg> wgrant: since you seem able to work magic, can you do something with this: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/160629
[05:14] <wgrant> micahg: The analysis of the question is mistaken.
[05:16] <wgrant> micahg: I've commented on the question with the real problem and solution.
[05:16] <micahg> wgrant: thank you :)
[05:16] <wgrant> micahg: Hopefully a maintenance squad will pick it up tonight.
[05:16] <micahg> wgrant: cool, thanks
[05:16] <wgrant> micahg: Otherwise I will organise it tomorrow, even though I'm really not meant to.
[05:23] <wgrant> poolie: Tags portlet is fixed. Thanks for letting us know.
[07:35] <iceroot> hi, is there a way to create a bug without using "ubuntu-bug"? e.g. i want to create a bug against launchpad. cant find "create bug" on the launchpad-site
[07:36] <iceroot> sorry i am blind...
[07:36] <wgrant> iceroot: You want to file a bug about the software that runs on Launchpad.net?
[07:36] <iceroot> wgrant: correct
[07:37] <wgrant> iceroot: https://launchpad.net/launchpad, you'll find 'Report a bug' on the right.
[07:37] <iceroot> wgrant: thank you
[07:49] <poolie> wgrant: thanks
[08:57] <somethinginteres> http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/whats-new/launchpad.html. Trademark violation?
[08:57] <nigelb> somethinginteres: There's already a bug and Canonical's legal team is looking into it.
[08:58] <somethinginteres> nigelb: OK just wanted to give a heads up if that wasn't the case.
[11:48] <Chipaca> hi all. What do I do with spam comments?
[11:49] <Peng> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion I believe
[11:49] <henninge> Chipaca: or just tell us here
[11:49] <Chipaca> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/110556
[11:50] <Chipaca> the Styles user seems to be a person as per some of his comments above, but then the last three are spam
[11:51] <henninge> Chipaca: I removed the comments, I'll have a look if I need to suspend the account.
[11:51] <henninge> Thanks for reporting.
[11:51] <Chipaca> henninge: awesome, thank you
[11:52] <henninge> 0 karma, I'll suspend the user
[11:57] <dpm> hi henninge, could you assign https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/161368 to the losas (or even better have a losa look at it? ;) thanks
[12:02] <heninge> dpm: so you are saying that you approve him becoming the owner of the team?
[12:02] <heninge> dpm: can you please add a comment saying so to the question?
[12:06] <heninge> dpm: I moved the question to Launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/161368
[12:07] <heninge> dpm: and assigned it to the losas
[12:11] <gnuoy> dpm, heninge: thats done
[12:18] <arand> Is building of dunny packages specifically disabled for PPAs? I have a package which builds these fine in pbuilder however they are not when it is uploaded to the PPA.( control file: http://paste.debian.net/119786/ dummies at the bottom)
[12:18] <arand> s/dunny/dummy/
[12:19] <soren> arand: Which PPA?
[12:19] <arand> https://edge.launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/redeclipse/+packages
[12:20] <soren> (you shouldn't be using edge)
[12:21] <arand> I did have a previous "redeclipse" package which I assumed would get replaced, might this be what not happened?
[12:21] <dpm> gnuoy, heninge, thanks! (Hening: yeah, I did approve of him to become the owner)
[12:22] <soren> arand: What makes you say it doesn't get built?
[12:23] <soren> arand: I see redeclipse-data being built, for instance.
[12:23] <arand> https://edge.launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/redeclipse/+build/2565897
[12:23] <soren> It's an arch: all package. It only gets built on i386.
[12:23] <soren> ...and then published everywhere.
[12:23] <henninge> adeuring: Hi! I am at lunch now. Can you please take over here?
[12:23] <adeuring> henninge: sure
[12:24] <soren> arand: https://edge.launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/redeclipse/+build/2565898
[12:24] <geser> arand: https://launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/redeclipse/+sourcepub/1772784/+listing-archive-extra lists them
[12:24] <adeuring> https://launchpad.net/  | Help contact: adeuring | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[12:25] <soren> adeuring: You forgot to prepend "/TOPIC " :)
[12:25] <adeuring> soren: gahhh. thanks!
[12:26] <arand> geser: Oh, right, it's because of the arch: all :)
[12:27] <arand> I assumed the dummy packages would show in the main listing, but I guess it makes sense for them not to..
[12:31] <geser> arand: "main listing"? the index pages show only source packages, you have to "expand" the source package on the +packages page to view the built binaries
[12:43] <lool> Hey, is there a way to update upstream <-> Ubuntu package links?  I'd like to change the one of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/linux-linaro-mx51 to point at another series, but can't
[12:53] <james_w> lool, likely bug 796867
[13:01] <adeuring> lool: do you get any error message?
[13:07] <lool> james_w: correct, thanks
[13:07] <lool> adeuring: just that there is already a registered series
[13:08] <adeuring> lool: weird...
[13:08] <lool> adeuring: presumably, permission of the link object or something like that?
[13:09] <adeuring> lool: maybe. I tried to change the link on qastaging -- works there
[13:09] <lool> there is simply no remove or edit button; trying to use add again with another series fails with already registered
[13:09] <lool> adeuring: odd, do you have special powers?
[13:09] <adeuring> lool: ah, that could be the case with all the recent reorganisations around lp develeoper memberships
[13:20] <adeuring> lool: it is indeed a permissions problam, and a deliberate one: Because the packaging link affects upstream translation sharing, only package maintainers and some people with "special powers" can change an existing link. Intorduced in LP revision 12801, april this year
[13:20] <lifeless> adeuring: but lool is a maintainer; he's core dev.
[13:20] <lifeless> adeuring: what do you mean by 'package maintainers' precisely?
[13:21] <adeuring> lifeless: let me check the source code...
[13:21] <lifeless> actually its 12:20 *am* here
[13:21] <lifeless> so I'm going to go
[13:21] <lool> I have uploads power to Ubuntu and I also happen to be the registrant of linux-linaro   ;-)
[13:21] <adeuring> lifeless: it's the relase maintainer
[13:21] <lifeless> but if it uses the 'maintainer' field or something, thats *debian* metadata and meaningless for permissions in Ubuntu
[13:22] <lifeless> adeuring: spr.maintainer or something?
[13:22] <adeuring> lifeless: lp.registry.model.packaging.Packaging.userCanDelete()
[13:23] <adeuring> self.sourcepackage.currentrelease.maintainer
[13:23] <lifeless> thats faulty then
[13:23] <lifeless> thats letting debian maintainers garden Ubuntu metadata and excluding Ubuntu maintainers from doing it.
[13:24] <adeuring> the was to avoid an unnecessary load by job which are triggered for translation sharing
[13:24] <adeuring> s/the was/the idea was/
[13:24] <lifeless> bigjools: ^ I have to sleep, but can you help educate / point adeuring at the right way to determine 'maintains this in Ubuntu' (e.g. can upload it to O or any -proposed
[13:24] <lifeless> adeuring: sure, the intent was fine, but the check used is looking at a meaningless field
[13:25] <bigjools> IArchive.canUpload()
[13:25] <lifeless> night
[13:25] <adeuring> thanks
[13:27] <james_w> preferably a check that doesn't prevent people doing it when the series is frozen I guess :-)
[14:03] <fta2> is the lp api broken?
[14:03] <smoser> anyone know why my mug doesn't show up https://launchpad.net/~smoser ?  its 192x192 and less than 100k.
[14:03] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/626553/
[14:04] <smoser> just tried re-setting it (last time i set it was months ago, and i dont know that it has ever shown up)
[14:06] <tumbleweed> IRC it's the 64px one that shows on your home page. The bigger one shows in galleries
[14:10] <charles> hello
[14:11] <charles> I need the help of a Registry Administrator to merge two teams.
[14:12] <charles> debian-med and debian-med-packaging (keeping debian-med)
[14:13] <charles> I tried to ask this via answers.l.net, but because I am not in the timezone of the admins there, the  debian-med-packaging team is re-created before I have time to register its email address in the debian-med team.
[14:13] <charles> See https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/160702 …
[14:14] <smoser> tumbleweed, where would i load a 64px one ?
[14:15] <smoser> i just uploaded via web form at https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+edit
[14:15] <smoser> and just now even tried as a jpg rather than png.
[14:19] <tumbleweed> smoser: +branding rather than +edit
[14:20] <smoser> thank you, tumbleweed ...
[14:20]  * smoser is not good ad UIs
[14:20] <tumbleweed> np
[14:32] <maxb> charles: Hi
[14:32] <charles> maxb: hi
[14:32] <maxb> Shall I go ahead and do the merge now?
[14:33] <charles> That would be super-great !
[14:33] <maxb> The merge is queued and will take effect within a few minutes
[14:39] <charles> maxb: Excellent, it worked and I could claim the email address.  Many thanks again.
[14:40] <maxb> No problem :-)
[14:41] <charles> bye
[14:48] <fta2> ssl.SSLError: [Errno 185090050] _ssl.c:340: error:0B084002:x509 certificate routines:X509_load_cert_crl_file:system lib
[14:48] <fta2> using the lp api
[14:48] <fta2> on oneric
[14:49] <fta2> oh, it corresponds to an update. "Upgrade: python-httplib2:amd64 (0.6.0-5, 0.7.0-1)"
[14:49] <fta2> oneIric
[14:50] <fta2> *sigh
[15:13] <Quintasan> Hi, is it possible to totally remove a project from Launchpad?
[15:13]  * Quintasan could not find such option on project page
[15:31] <smoser> what is the appropriate way to ask that http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/euca2ools.html be fixed ?
[15:31] <smoser> i'm fine losing any history that is not actually in the ubuntu archive (ie, personal changes that i probalby pushed and wreaked havoc)
[15:33] <smoser> maybe that is better asked in #bzr ?
[15:43] <maxb> smoser: emailing u-d-d@l.u.c is a good way to express interest in a particular failure
[15:43] <smoser> maxb, ok. thank you.
[15:43] <maxb> smoser: although I already looked at that one
[15:44] <smoser> oh?
[15:44] <smoser> i'm sorry for basically screwing up the imports of anything I touched
[15:44] <maxb> And I decided that it's a direct packager maintained branch, so the challenge is just to stop the importer sulking about that
[15:45] <yofel> hm, I wanted to create a project for okular, and am getting "okular is already used by another project". But https://launchpad.net/okular gives me a Lost something page
[15:45] <maxb> smoser: Unfortunately recent launchpad deployments have totally broken the importer :-(
[15:45] <maxb> bug 797088
[15:45] <smoser> maxb, ok. i will mail and just say "please re-import".
[15:46] <maxb> smoser: I don't think that's required
[15:46] <smoser> i really do like the "direct packager maintained", but really would like to be able to have both.
[15:46] <maxb> I think we just need to teach the importer to stop complaining in valid situations
[15:46] <maxb> yofel: It does that when the project has been deactivated. It's not very helpful
[15:47] <yofel> any way to reuse the project? I can't really rename KDEs document viewer
[15:48] <maxb> yofel: I've renamed the old one, go ahead and recreate
[15:49]  * yofel hugs maxb
[15:51] <Quintasan> maxb: Could you please kill two projects on LP?
[15:51] <maxb> I might be able to do something less violent to them
[15:51] <Quintasan> maxb: https://launchpad.net/decibel
[15:51] <Quintasan> maxb: https://launchpad.net/tapioca-qt
[15:52] <Quintasan> maxb: upstream said they are full of evil
[15:52] <Quintasan> and we no longer even want traces of them
[15:53] <maxb> Quintasan: This sounds sufficiently non-trivial that I'd like to ask for a question to be filed to document what's going on here
[15:53] <maxb> At first glance they appear to be plausibly valid
[15:54] <maxb> They appear to have Ubuntu packages and the projects are owned by a team containing active Ubuntu Developers
[15:55] <Quintasan> maxb: it is dead since 2008 at least
[15:56] <Quintasan> noone supports them and all effort moved to telepathy-kde
[15:56] <maxb> This is not justification to deactivate the project
[15:56] <Quintasan> maxb: What would be a valid reason?
[15:57] <maxb> testing, not open source, generally spurious projects get deactivated
[15:58] <Quintasan> so upstream not wanting it and generally being dead and unsupported is not enough?
[15:59] <maxb> It makes no sense to delete all historical records of something just because it is no longer current
[16:00] <Quintasan> maxb: Okay, I'll tell upstream we are keeping it just for record
[16:00] <maxb> Quintasan: If the projects have ceased, ask someone in ~telepathy to update their descriptions accordingly
[17:22] <fta> adeuring, help! https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/161415
[17:24] <adeuring> fta: I suspect an issue with the oneiric package.
[17:25] <adeuring> I just tried to use lplib in natty.
[17:33] <fta> downgrading then
[18:09] <poolie> fta, i guess that's a client side error
[18:09] <poolie> it would be useful if you can say on the bug which downgrades fix it if any
[18:10] <fta> poolie, just python-httplib2 in reverse order
[18:12] <fta> it was breaking my ppa dashboards, my ppa stats, my chromium translations and some of my other maintenance scripts, so i just reverted httplib2
[18:13] <fta> i have no time and no desire to investigate this any further. too many issues with lp for my taste.
[18:13] <poolie> and that fixed it?
[18:13] <fta> yes
[18:14] <Ampelbein> hi there, I'm subscribed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+subscriptions and ticked the option to get notifications on bugs opened or closed - yet I only receive notifications for bugs that get closed, not the ones opened.
[18:15] <poolie> downgrading to which version?
[18:23] <fta> poolie, the previous one, it's in my initial question
[18:41] <abentley> Ampelbein: I'm not sure whether it's possible to subscribe to all bugs on Ubuntu.  You realize that's a torrent of bugs that you could never read all of, right?
[18:42] <Ampelbein> abentley: if I subcribe to all bugs it works. it doesn't if I just want notifications of bugs added/closed. don't worry, I have enough filters in place to get me a useful overview.
[18:43] <abentley> Ampelbein: Okay, I'm looking for someone who can answer your question.
[18:43] <Ampelbein> abentley: clarification: if I check "are added or changed in any way" it works. it doesn't if I check "are added or closed"
[18:43] <Ampelbein> i filed an issue in the meantime, bug 797311
[18:44] <abentley> Ampelbein: Cool.  It does sound like a bug.  I wonder whether it's related to Ubuntu?
[18:45] <Ampelbein> abentley: I don't know, I didn't test other projects.