[01:07] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:28] <F3ar> Any major issues that I should be aware of right away?
[09:04] <elros> F3ar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[09:05] <elros> you can expect a bumpy ride with alpha products
[09:39] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/iEsiv.png   still no icons on launcher that s a pity
[10:59] <jakobmuc> will the next ubuntu release build upon unity?
[11:35] <ior3k> jakobmuc: yes
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> empathyis annoying me to no end..
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> charlie-tca: err
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> linux 3.0 is default now
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> so you might wanna be careful for that :)
[12:35] <wzssyqa> Ian_Corne: is linux 3.0 work with nvidia-current now?
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> no
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> nto for me
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> but it would help me if you tested it too
[12:43]  * zniavre is waiting for new nvidia-173 now ...
[12:43] <zniavre> :o)
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> why such an old?
[12:49] <elros> nvidia and ati sometimes drop support for older chips, and I don't blame them
[12:50] <elros> I have radeon 9700 pro, released ~ oct 2002, support dropped in catalyst 9.4, but r300 driver still works
[12:57] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> also, i used to see the experimental 3D support in the additional drivers
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> but that's gone now
[14:26] <zniavre> good afternoon
[14:27] <zniavre> i got an oneiric installation with gnome only (no unity no gnome-shell) the applications menu is empty there is a small support for gnome or not really
[14:27] <zniavre> ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:00] <CardinalFang> Weird.  My locales seems to be screwed up in recent Oneric.
[15:02] <CardinalFang> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:03] <CardinalFang> open("/usr/share/locaopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:03] <CardinalFang> Dang, pasting broken too.  Sorry to mess.
[15:08] <CardinalFang> Will someone running current devel tip run "perl -e print\;" in a terminal, please? What happens?
[15:10] <CardinalFang> brb
[15:19] <CardinalFang> Oh, lightdm, you so crazy.
[15:20] <RubyG> Cardinal I had this same problem too with locales. I'm wondering if the problem is related to LightDM, cos I tried it on my Narwhal installation, then the locales got screwed up there too (tho it could just be coincidence!)
[15:20] <CardinalFang> It is, RubyG.  I'm filing a bug.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> RubyG, $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm # pick gdm for now
[15:21] <RubyG> I googled and got it fixed dpkg-reconfigure didn't do it for me
[15:22] <RubyG> I had to edit a file, tho I'd need to check which one. Have you been able to fix it yourself, or have you just gone back to gdm
[15:24] <CardinalFang> RubyG, I haven't fixed.  I switched to gdm to get work done, and planned on filing a bug, but I'm keenly interested in what file you edited.  Is it in your shell history, perhaps?
[15:26] <RubyG> Give me a sec ...
[15:27] <RubyG> OK, I found this page : http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/01/how-to-change-your-default-locale-on.html
[15:27] <RubyG> I tried various things on the page which didn't work. I *think* the solution was in the comments ...
[15:28] <RubyG> typing: locale-gen en_GB
[15:28] <RubyG> then: update-locale LANG=en_GB.ISO-8859-1 (or UTF)
[15:29] <RubyG> but to be honest I tried so many things that I'm not 100% certain which worked, but I found that link very helpful, and something there did solve my problem
[15:29] <RubyG> I'd be curious to know if there is a straight up solution, so that I'll know for the future
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> zniavre: frash update or?
[15:44] <RubyG> I installed Narwhal then upgraded from there
[16:11] <CardinalFang> RubyG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/797249
[16:12] <CardinalFang> brb
[16:14] <zniavre> Ian_Corne,  not fresh it came from natty mini.iso upgraded just before alpha1
[16:15] <zniavre> it's minimal gnome-core installation
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> and now you don't have anything installed?
[16:17] <zniavre> juste gnome-desktop3
[16:17] <zniavre> just*
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> i'll go check if my gnome-classic menu is still populated
[16:17] <zniavre> but the menu application  is still empty
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> I still have stuff there
[16:19] <zniavre> thank you
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> but the panels didn't even start anymore  by itself
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> had to run gnome-panel --replace
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> so maybe you're just loading something different?
[16:19] <zniavre> it's gnomepanel too
[16:20] <RubyG> Thanks Cardinal, I've marked that bug as affecting me too.
[16:20] <zniavre> i ll try another user to see what happen maybe
[16:20] <Ian_Corne> k
[16:21] <zniavre> thank you answering
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> np
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> so, anyone had the balls yet updating to linux-3.0 with nvidia blob? :p
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> other then me :p
[16:21] <zniavre> i tried bbut im using 173.14.30 driver so it does not works anymore
[16:23] <Ian_Corne> how do I check which version of the driver I'm using?
[16:24] <Ian_Corne>  *** 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 0
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> ok :p
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> ah, ok so it doesn't choose the correct one for your system if you install current, you have to knwo to pick the old one
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> or is the current not displayed on old systems?
[16:25] <zniavre> i do not know i always install them manually without jockey
[16:26] <RubyG> Has anyone tried loading an .xmodmap file in Oneiric. I couldn't get mine to load on startup, though it loads fine if I launch it manually from the terminal.
[16:35] <CardinalFang> RubyG, I have nothing else for that bug.  Please add more if I'm missing something.
[16:37] <yofel> Ian_Corne: already rebooted with 3?
[16:38] <RubyG> CardinalFang Will do. I'll have a look tonight, as I'm not at my own PC right now
[16:51] <elros> are there many annoying bugs in oneiric at the moment?
[16:51] <charlie-tca1> of course
[16:51] <charlie-tca1> There are many that annoy me a great deal
[16:51] <elros> how annoying?
[16:51] <elros> ok
[16:52] <elros> sound, graphics, kernel, other?
[16:52] <IdleOne> yes,yes,yes,yes
[16:52] <elros> good
[16:52] <elros> thought it might be good to check before upgrade
[16:53] <charlie-tca1> um, it does have all those. It also seems to have bugs affecting all of them, at various degrees of annoying depending on hardware.
[16:54] <zniavre> Ian_Corne, with a new user the application menu still empty...
[16:54] <elros> because I went from oneiric back to natty about a week ago
[16:54] <charlie-tca1> elros: Like that one, that zniavre has today
[16:55] <elros> I'll stick with natty for a month, then ask again
[17:00] <zniavre> i got this one since alpha1
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> yofel: yes
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> and it doesn't work atm
[17:07] <yofel> :S
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> with nvidia blob
[17:07] <yofel> fails to build or..?
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> i didn't see the output :(
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> sec
[17:08] <yofel> what does dkms status say?
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> how do I check that?
[17:09] <yofel> nvm, just did the kernel upgrade here and it didn't build it
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> Ah ok :)
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> I'd still like to know the dkms status checking :p
[17:10] <yofel> yay
[17:10] <yofel> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.0-0-generic (x86_64)
[17:10] <yofel> Consult the make.log in the build directory
[17:10] <yofel> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/ for more information.
[17:11] <yofel> lol
[17:11] <yofel> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
[17:11] <dsathe> simlinks
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> same :p
[17:11] <dsathe> ol d issue
[17:11] <yofel> The next victim of linus's selfishness
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> # ls
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> 2.6.39-3-generic-pae  build  source
[17:11] <dsathe> how hav u installe dthe kernel ?
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> I just updated
[17:11] <yofel> dsathe: 3.0 is in the archive, and should be pulled by update now
[17:12] <dsathe> /etc/modules is broken simlinks if u deleted
[17:12] <dsathe> the src folder
[17:12] <yofel> dsathe: this is the package, if anyhting the packages are broken
[17:12] <Ian_Corne> It got pulled for me
[17:12] <dsathe> what u need to do is simply reinstall the headers pkg
[17:12] <yofel> I didn't compile anything myself
[17:12] <dsathe> itll make new simlinks
[17:12] <dsathe> O.o
[17:12] <dsathe> kk
[17:12] <dsathe> srry
[17:12] <yofel> linux-headers-3.0-0-generic:
[17:12] <yofel>   Installed: 3.0-0.1
[17:13] <dsathe> aaaah thts the issue
[17:13] <dsathe> :P
[17:13] <dsathe> neway use exactly the same version of headers else errors
[17:14] <yofel> that is the same kernel
[17:14] <dsathe> gave up on default ubuntu kernels  a while back
[17:14] <dsathe> see the postinstall script of nvid current
[17:14] <dsathe> :P
[17:15] <dsathe> see if its lookin in the right places
[17:15] <dsathe> oh btw
[17:15] <dsathe> have u installed headers generic
[17:15] <dsathe> ???
[17:15] <dsathe> 3 pkgs
[17:15] <yofel> I HAVE, believe, I know enough about the kernel for that
[17:15] <dsathe> headers image-generic and headers-generic
[17:15] <yofel> now I'm reading nvidia makefiles
[17:16] <dsathe> nvidia blob from nvid compiled with no issue on arch from aur on 3.0
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> it probably does something like linux-2.6.* to determin the latest version or so
[17:16] <dsathe> havnt tried 3.0 on ubuntu yet
[17:16] <yofel> dsathe: which nvidia version?
[17:16] <dsathe> 270.41.xx
[17:16] <yofel> I would guess we just need a newer driver
[17:16] <dsathe> one sec
[17:16] <dsathe> yep
[17:17] <dsathe> one cme out 2day
[17:17] <dsathe> 275
[17:17] <dsathe> try that
[17:17] <dsathe> :)
[17:17] <dsathe> 270.41.06
[17:17] <dsathe> nvidia-current
[17:17] <dsathe> in ubuntu
[17:17] <dsathe> arch lemme see
[17:18] <IdleOne> !info gnomebaker
[17:18] <dsathe> yep nvidia 275.09.04
[17:18] <dsathe> in aur
[17:18] <IdleOne> WHY!?
[17:18] <yofel> ah, I'm on 270.41.19
[17:18] <IdleOne> what happened to gnomebaker?
[17:19] <yofel> probably we'll need 275
[17:19] <dsathe> nvidia beta all in aur
[17:19] <dsathe> look at the pkgbuild
[17:19] <dsathe> might help
[17:19] <dsathe> ;)
[17:21] <dsathe> though i have never had nvidia fails on kernel numbers must be something else but then i have never seen a major number change :P
[17:22] <yofel> ah yeah, nvidias conftest.sh has checks for 2.4 and 2.6
[17:22] <yofel> well, me neither ^^
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> silly nvidia!
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> :D
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> or maybe the 275 does have the correct checks?
[17:23] <yofel> I would think so, I'll get the tar and see if I can just copy the newer check over
[17:24] <Ian_Corne> isn't there a ppa for the new blobs?
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates?field.series_filter=oneiric
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> ah not updated yet
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> it is a bit newer
[17:25] <Ian_Corne>   270.41.19-0ubuntu1~xup
[17:25] <dsathe> will build 3.0 on ubuntu n report back at night
[17:26] <dsathe> btw i am on natty
[17:26] <yofel> hm, no, 270 doesn't build against 3.0 :/
[17:27] <dsathe> apparently plenty of new fixes in 275 for gnome 3 and kde 4.6
[17:27] <dsathe> thanks for headsup yofel
[17:27] <yofel> also a nice error (though not the only one):
[17:27] <yofel> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/nv-linux.h:38:4: error: #error This driver does not support development kernels!
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[17:28] <dsathe> hahah
[17:35] <zniavre> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html
[17:40] <yofel> I'm just trying to patch up a package for the newer one
[17:40]  * yofel needs to remember to ping Sarvatt later
[17:46] <zniavre> yofel is it easy to do it (for 173.14xx too) ?
[17:47] <yofel> no idea, need to figure out mine first, pretty complicated scripting in the package
[18:25] <yofel> yay, 275 works :)
[18:26] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built
[18:27] <yofel> Ian_Corne: ^
[18:27] <IdleOne> you got nvidia working?
[18:27] <yofel> yep, 275 works with 3.0
[18:27] <IdleOne> wow
[18:28] <yofel> I had to junk the modaliases scripts from the package though, so the package is useless for jockey
[18:28] <yofel> I'll leave that to Sarvatt :P
[18:28] <Ampelbein> for the record, there is bug 795562 that tracks the nvidia issue (and has a workaround/patch)
[18:29] <yofel> too late :P
[18:29] <yofel> anyway, I learnt something about nvidia packaging
[18:30] <yofel> and 275.09.07 is final
[18:31] <IdleOne> yofel: so I just get nvidia-current and install?
[18:32] <IdleOne> anything else I need to do?
[18:32] <yofel> I just installed nvidia-current with dpkg -i, the postinst hook takes care of dkms
[18:32]  * IdleOne will test :)
[18:34] <IdleOne> hmm
[18:34] <IdleOne> nvidia-current-dev depends on nvidia-current (>= 275.09.07)
[18:34]  * IdleOne forgot to grab something 
[18:35] <IdleOne> I think I grabbed the wrong one heh
[18:46] <Ian_Corne> thanks yofel
[18:46] <yofel> well, the package from edgers as it says on the bug probably works too
[18:47] <Ian_Corne> yofel: how come you don't have your own ppa? :)
[18:47] <yofel> I have a few, but that package is so hurrily hacked together that I don't want to upload it there
[18:47] <Ian_Corne> if I install that package, will it be updated to the official 275 when it gets in the repos?
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> or will it mess?
[18:48] <yofel> nah, I kept the official packaging with 275.09.07-0ubuntu1~yofel~oneiric
[18:48] <yofel> so should work fine (actually even lower than xup)
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> ok
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> lets see
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> has anyone else noticed that alt+tab comes up very slow with unity?
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> it really irritates me, and was like that in natty too
[18:52] <Ian_Corne> if you get the compiz ring switcher, it goes alot faster to come up
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> rebooting!
[19:01] <Ampelbein> oh, and regarding the nvidia issue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/270.41.19-0ubuntu1 just landed in the archive so there is no need for manual intervention anymore.
[19:01] <Ian_Corne> no dice yofel
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> and i had nm troubles after the boot to 2.6.39
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> and after another reboot to 2.6.39 nm works again
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> brr
[19:02] <yofel> odd
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> i'm on -pae
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> if that changes anything
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> but i'm looking at the log
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> hmm weird
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12181 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.331888] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input11
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12182 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332117] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input12
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12183 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332284] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input13
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12184 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332517] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input14
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> is the only nvidia things I see
[19:06] <Ian_Corne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/626731/
[19:09] <Ian_Corne> so it seems just the same?
[19:10] <yofel> hm, no idea, I don't have a system to check the 32bit package on
[19:12] <Ian_Corne> is there an empathy chat channel for the devs?
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> or should I just report to launchpad all my gripes?
[19:14] <dsathe> goddamit the empathy updates $*( the GS integration
[19:14] <dsathe> n i hate unity :(
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> you haven't given it much chance?
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> don't see how you can hate unity
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> and like gnome shell
[19:32] <CardinalFang> Is there a way to disable the Alt-F2 "Open prompt for executable" keybinding?  I have that set to "Switch to Workspace 2", but Unity's fires anyway.
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> ccsm
[19:38] <CardinalFang> Ian_Corne, I call myself looking there.
[19:39] <Ian_Corne> cssm -> Desktop -> Unity plugin
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> found it?
[20:33] <arif-ali> does anyone here know if the 3.0.0 kernel will be released for natty, as I know it is being done up fo rthe oneiric?
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> arif-ali: i've never seen a newer kernel be introduced after a release date
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> there's the kernel ppa i think which you can you use
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> but it's not recomended, like the nvidia blob won't work and stuff
[20:37] <arif-ali> ah, ok, I have been using the 3.3.0, until the rc3 came out
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> 3.3.0?
[20:38] <arif-ali> soz, typo, 3.0.0 rc3
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> ah
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> and it works for you?
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[20:38] <arif-ali> upto rc2, main reason, I needed it for the rtl8192se driver, which does not compile well with the default natty kernel
[20:39] <arif-ali> yeah, that is where I downloaded it from
[20:39] <arif-ali> I got a new laptop with a new crappy rtl 8192 wireless chipset, so been fighting to get a driver to work correctly
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[20:40] <arif-ali> rc2 works, but rc3 doesn't I presume it needs some deps from Oneiric
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> I've got a new laptop with an 'unsuported' touchapd :(
[20:42] <arif-ali> right, I'll continue to compile the compat-wireless then with my current kernel then, thanks for your input
[20:44] <arif-ali> I remember fighting in Fedora to get things working with wireless with literally every release, this is the first time in 3 years, where I've had to try and get any of my HW working in ubuntu, ubuntu has been really solid
[20:46] <adys`> are there working nvidia drivers for the 3.0 kernel yet?
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> adys`: running 64 bit service?
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> err system
[20:48] <adys`> ya
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> 19:26:43 < yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> it works for him
[20:48] <adys`> thanks
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> np
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> be sure to report back if it doesn't work :)
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> it didn't for my 32 bit pae kernel
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> and I'm to busy to actually debug and stuff
[20:49] <yofel> well, there should be a fixed driver in the archive soon too, 270 though
[20:49] <yofel> was already uploaded actually
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> i'm fine with 270
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> :)
[20:51] <adys`> heres hoping the next nvidia release has 3.0 support
[20:55] <adys`> yofel, 275 worked, you rock
[20:56] <yofel> :)
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> this makes me more curious why mine didn't work
[20:57] <Ian_Corne> where's buguando when you need him
[20:58] <Adys_> Ian_Corne, yofel make that a worked-ish, compositing isnt launching and all
[20:58] <Adys_> but i can run kdm for now which is good enough
[20:58] <yofel> no idea, KDE works fine for me
[20:59] <Adys_> might be my install
[20:59] <Adys_> im usually running off official drivers
[20:59] <yofel> you mean the .run? Did you remove the last with --uninstall?
[21:00] <Adys_> yeah but i didnt properly cleanup i think
[21:00] <Adys_> need to reinstall mesa
[21:00] <Adys_> no matter
[21:00] <yofel> not really, nvidia ships their own glx lib
[21:00] <yofel> check for an abi mismatch in xorg.log rather
[21:00] <Adys_> yes, which overrides mesa files
[21:00] <yofel> right, but the package makes sure the mesa ones are ignored
[21:01] <yofel> so shouldn't matter if they're broken
[21:01] <Adys_> dunno; from experience, when switching from .run to debs, you need to reinstall libgl-mesa* stuff
[21:01] <Adys_> that might have changed, its back from early natty alphas
[21:02] <yofel> for nouveau certainly, for nvidia it shouldn't matter, but good idea to do it anyway
[21:02] <bjsnider> the 275 blob has trouble identifying all possible matches for chips it might drive
[21:02] <bjsnider> so it's best to stick with the 270 at this point
[21:03] <Adys_> meh, im happy to be able to run kdm right now
[21:09] <yofel> ah, guess I'm lucky then
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:25] <TheBuntu> right now im useing kernel v3.0-rc3-oneiric from ..   http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/  .... on 11.04..... and it seems to be doing great.....   how well is oneric runing...
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> it's alpha-ish :)
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> More broken/missing then ever before for me
[21:27] <arif-ali> TheBuntu, did you upgrade the module-init-tools for that, i.e. updating to rc3?
[21:27] <arif-ali> from oneiric
[21:28] <TheBuntu> yes... the kertnel wouldent install with out it
[21:28] <arif-ali> yeah, was that the only dependancy that you needed to install, as I am running rc2 at the moment?
[21:28] <TheBuntu> yeah
[21:29] <arif-ali> cool, I will try my update again, thanks for that
[21:29] <TheBuntu> no prob
[21:30] <TheBuntu> Ian_Corne: so is it worse then 11.04 was at this point
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> eum, I thinks so
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> but i don't think i tried unity early enough
[21:30] <TheBuntu> i use kde
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> ah, i've never tested with kde
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> yofel does use KDE i think
[21:31] <genii-around> Yes, they do
[21:31] <arif-ali> a kde, I was just goin to say that I tried gnome3 from PPA on natty, and didn't lilke the look-and-feel
[21:32] <yofel> kubuntu still works reasonably fine since we don't have 4.7 yet, and probably won't have it soon
[21:32] <Ian_Corne> except NM problems, right?.
[21:32] <TheBuntu> gnome 3 useing youtube.... video playback is alot better...with its new hardware stuff
[21:33] <yofel> we have a new NM plasmoid snapshot now, works reasonably well if you just need a wireless connections
[21:33] <yofel> the settings behave a bit odd sometimes, and some freeze plasma
[21:33] <arif-ali> TheBuntru, ok, cool, anyway to move to classic mode in gnome 3 like moving from unity?
[21:35] <TheBuntu> i used kde 4.7 in arch and arch had problems with it.... used 4.7 in chakra witch is arch base... and it was perfect
[21:38] <TheBuntu> so whats the best way to do the upgrade.... konsole or the gui tool
[21:40] <yofel> do-release-upgrade and update-manager do the same thing, so it doesn't matter
[21:42] <TheBuntu> do-release-upgrade... the cli    update-manager do is the update gui
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> except yofel , that your X might crash or something while doing the upgrade
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:43] <yofel> really?
[21:43] <TheBuntu> so better to do it from cli
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> i've had it happen :p
[21:44] <yofel> ah, for ubuntu maybe with their login manager changes
[21:44] <yofel> kubuntu isn't close to lightdm than a theme mockup yet
[21:44] <yofel> *closer
[21:46] <TheBuntu> so what you mean by that
[21:48] <yofel> well, far away
[21:48] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade.... Checking for a new ubuntu release   No new release found
[21:49] <yofel> you need to add -d
[21:49] <yofel> for devel release
[21:49] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade-d
[21:49] <yofel> with a space, it's a flag
[21:50] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:50] <yofel> right
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:56] <TheBuntu> having var/apt/cach backed up on a spare partition makes it easyer for when something goes wrong with alpha... go back to stable realease and on apt-get dit-upgrade.... you dont have to download. everything.... just reinstalls the updates
[22:06] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:08] <BUGabundo> if im allowed a bitttttt of offtopic, let me ask you this, just for fun
[22:08] <BUGabundo> can you tell me how much storage you have at home / where you are?
[22:08] <maco> 3 closets
[22:09] <IdleOne> hahaha
[22:09] <Ian_Corne> hey BUGabundo
[22:09] <IdleOne> 990G with 400 or so used
[22:09] <BUGabundo> maco: :)
[22:10] <CarlFK> all my homes added or averaged?
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> 3.6TB
[22:10] <BUGabundo> try again in binary
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo:
[22:10] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: total, please
[22:10] <maco> including backup drives?
[22:10] <IdleOne> hmm including backup drives I have around 2.5TB
[22:11] <CarlFK> does this count as part of home: 5.5T  4.5T  1.1T  81% /home/juser/rawvid
[22:11] <maco> 500, 250, 250, 120, 120, 16... umm...1.25TB ish, plus flash drives
[22:11] <Ian_Corne> CarlFK: i think he means at your house
[22:11] <CarlFK> Ian_Corne: oh, so including the drives that are sitting on a shelf ?
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> i dunno, ask BUGabundo :p
[22:12] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: I am
[22:12] <CarlFK> I think I could come up with 20T
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I'm even counting camara flash
[22:12] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:12] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: JIZZAS!!!
[22:13] <CarlFK> raw video = 13G / hour.  I get around.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:13] <IdleOne> CarlFK: you realize you don't have to back up every single website you visit
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I have about 4T in front of me
[22:13] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[22:13] <BUGabundo> plus the new 8t
[22:13] <BUGabundo> plus all drives around and on other PCs
[22:14] <BUGabundo> plus flash drives , ssd, mmc, sd, µsd
[22:14] <BUGabundo> man, its going to take me a week lol
[22:14] <IdleOne> I should count my old computers I left in the US also in that case
[22:14] <yofel> hm, counting all PCs, ~6TB
[22:14] <yofel> 2 of that is backup though
[22:14] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: those aren't at home
[22:15] <CarlFK> home is where the heart is
[22:15] <IdleOne> they are in my old home
[22:15] <IdleOne> CarlFK: +1
[22:15] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: home is where ppl think about you
[22:15] <CarlFK> aww, that makes me warm and fuzzy
[22:15] <IdleOne> anyway, Voyager is on.
[22:15] <Ian_Corne> :)
[22:15] <Ian_Corne> I'm wathcing TNG
[22:15] <CarlFK> home is where you watch Voyager
[22:22] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/I46Vz.png check out this bug ! that is my first time like that
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ahahha
[22:23] <zniavre> :o)
[22:23] <CarlFK> zniavre: that's the Australian mode
[22:24] <zniavre> 11.10 + gnome3 + compiz + nouveau
[22:24] <RRRRube> LOL
[22:24] <zniavre> CarlFK,  +1
[22:24] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: ahaahaaha
[22:24] <BUGabundo> zniavre: wfm, sorry
[22:25] <zniavre> what is wfm please ?
[22:25] <maco> "works for me"
[22:25] <zniavre> ho
[22:25] <yofel> "creative"...
[22:27] <zniavre> i see on change mailing list the old 173.14.30 nvidia driver are updated to be installed with 3.0 kernel i hope it will solve this
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> lol what the hell :D
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> hwo does that even happen :D
[22:30] <zniavre> i do not know
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> that looks like something wow would have happen after an update
[22:31] <zniavre> i re-installed nvidia-173 maybe that s the cause , im using right now nouveau driver
[22:34] <zniavre> removing them solved the "thing"...  :o)
[22:35] <zniavre> i saw update-alternative stuff for open-gl im thinking it's the causes
[22:42] <BUGabundo> and how many of you EVER upgraded a firmware of a single disk?
[22:45] <zicada> hehe
[22:45] <yofel> I upgraded a DVD writer firmware once, but never a HDDs firmware (not counting SSDs)
[22:46] <zicada> hmm
[22:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: ohhh my precious 107D
[22:46] <BUGabundo> it took more FWs then burning DVDs lol
[22:47] <yofel> lol
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I never have
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and I totally forgot to upgrade my SSD fw
[22:51] <BUGabundo> there have been 4 releases :(
[22:51] <BUGabundo> will dd the drive and upgrade it then restore
[22:57] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude install smartmontools
[22:57] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:57] <BUGabundo>   bsd-mailx{a} postfix{a} smartmontools
[22:57] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[23:01] <Ian_Corne> weird dependencies
[23:01] <ikonia> BUGabundo: please stop it
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ikonia: ? it's a bad depency set
[23:04] <BUGabundo> if any one confirms it, ill file a bug
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL stuff
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: you've been here long enough to know that sort of stuff is not needed
[23:04] <BUGabundo> its damn funny set of depencies, don't you agree?
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: I'm not interested in if it's funny - please stop with the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL stuff
[23:16] <zicada> ja og det var en kul exploit
[23:17] <BUGabundo> !german
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> I think that's swedisch
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> at least nto german :)
[23:33] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i would guess that the mail system would be required to send email alerts to the system administrator
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I guess
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but still overload
[23:33] <bjsnider> it's more of an enterprise feature, where you have one admin looking after dozens or hundreds of systems
[23:34] <bjsnider> needless to say that's not an ubuntu situation
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu server maybe?
[23:35] <bjsnider> ubuntu is primarily built as a desktop o/s, whereas fedora and suse are not
[23:35] <bjsnider> desktop users to not commonly read email alerts from their own systems
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> I agree, but there's still ubuntu server, which uses the same packages
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> no?
[23:37] <bjsnider> yes
[23:37] <bjsnider> but all this is inherited from debian
[23:39] <BUGabundo> so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> should we request that depency to cease?
[23:45] <ikonia> you can't do that as it would break the server setup from a useful stand point
[23:49] <BUGabundo> do we keep kernel traces?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> my system just locked when disconecting and unmounted usb hard drive
[23:49] <BUGabundo> never happened before
[23:49] <BUGabundo> could be a 3.0 bug
[23:52] <BUGabundo> gpartedbin: ../../libparted/arch/linux.c:2958: linux_disk_commit: Assertion `_have_blkpg ()' failed.
[23:53] <BUGabundo> oh well
[23:53] <BUGabundo> time to start crunshing bugs