[01:07] nite [02:28] Any major issues that I should be aware of right away? === F3ar is now known as F3ar|ZNC === LjL-Temp` is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest11383 === SudoKing is now known as SudoKing_ === SudoKing_ is now known as SudoKing === HdDgbalM is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest96502 === F3ar|ZNC is now known as F3ar === Guest96502 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest20749 === F3ar is now known as F3ar|ZNC === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG === Guest20749 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest92642 === F3ar|ZNC is now known as F3ar [09:04] F3ar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview [09:05] you can expect a bumpy ride with alpha products === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ === Guest92642 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest73910 [09:39] http://i.imgur.com/iEsiv.png still no icons on launcher that s a pity === zniavre2_ is now known as zniavre === zniavre is now known as Talaron === Talaron is now known as zniavre === Guest73910 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest81422 [10:59] will the next ubuntu release build upon unity? [11:35] jakobmuc: yes === Guest81422 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest74885 [12:16] empathyis annoying me to no end.. [12:16] charlie-tca: err [12:16] linux 3.0 is default now [12:16] so you might wanna be careful for that :) === F3ar is now known as F3ar|ZNC === F3ar|ZNC is now known as F3ar [12:35] Ian_Corne: is linux 3.0 work with nvidia-current now? [12:36] no [12:36] nto for me [12:36] but it would help me if you tested it too === Guest74885 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest36544 === Guest36544 is now known as LjL-Temp [12:43] * zniavre is waiting for new nvidia-173 now ... [12:43] :o) [12:45] why such an old? [12:49] nvidia and ati sometimes drop support for older chips, and I don't blame them [12:50] I have radeon 9700 pro, released ~ oct 2002, support dropped in catalyst 9.4, but r300 driver still works [12:57] uhu [12:59] also, i used to see the experimental 3D support in the additional drivers [12:59] but that's gone now [14:26] good afternoon [14:27] i got an oneiric installation with gnome only (no unity no gnome-shell) the applications menu is empty there is a small support for gnome or not really [14:27] ? [14:31] Hiyas [15:00] Weird. My locales seems to be screwed up in recent Oneric. [15:02] open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [15:03] open("/usr/share/locaopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [15:03] Dang, pasting broken too. Sorry to mess. [15:08] Will someone running current devel tip run "perl -e print\;" in a terminal, please? What happens? [15:10] brb [15:19] Oh, lightdm, you so crazy. [15:20] Cardinal I had this same problem too with locales. I'm wondering if the problem is related to LightDM, cos I tried it on my Narwhal installation, then the locales got screwed up there too (tho it could just be coincidence!) [15:20] It is, RubyG. I'm filing a bug. [15:20] RubyG, $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm # pick gdm for now [15:21] I googled and got it fixed dpkg-reconfigure didn't do it for me [15:22] I had to edit a file, tho I'd need to check which one. Have you been able to fix it yourself, or have you just gone back to gdm [15:24] RubyG, I haven't fixed. I switched to gdm to get work done, and planned on filing a bug, but I'm keenly interested in what file you edited. Is it in your shell history, perhaps? [15:26] Give me a sec ... [15:27] OK, I found this page : http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/01/how-to-change-your-default-locale-on.html [15:27] I tried various things on the page which didn't work. I *think* the solution was in the comments ... [15:28] typing: locale-gen en_GB [15:28] then: update-locale LANG=en_GB.ISO-8859-1 (or UTF) [15:29] but to be honest I tried so many things that I'm not 100% certain which worked, but I found that link very helpful, and something there did solve my problem [15:29] I'd be curious to know if there is a straight up solution, so that I'll know for the future [15:41] zniavre: frash update or? [15:44] I installed Narwhal then upgraded from there === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca1 [16:11] RubyG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/797249 [16:11] Ubuntu bug 797249 in Light Display Manager "lightdm doesn't set locale correctly" [Undecided,New] [16:12] brb [16:14] Ian_Corne, not fresh it came from natty mini.iso upgraded just before alpha1 [16:15] it's minimal gnome-core installation [16:17] hmm [16:17] and now you don't have anything installed? [16:17] juste gnome-desktop3 [16:17] just* [16:17] i'll go check if my gnome-classic menu is still populated [16:17] but the menu application is still empty [16:19] I still have stuff there [16:19] thank you [16:19] but the panels didn't even start anymore by itself [16:19] had to run gnome-panel --replace [16:19] so maybe you're just loading something different? [16:19] it's gnomepanel too [16:20] Thanks Cardinal, I've marked that bug as affecting me too. [16:20] i ll try another user to see what happen maybe [16:20] k [16:21] thank you answering [16:21] np [16:21] so, anyone had the balls yet updating to linux-3.0 with nvidia blob? :p [16:21] other then me :p [16:21] i tried bbut im using 173.14.30 driver so it does not works anymore [16:23] how do I check which version of the driver I'm using? [16:24] *** 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 0 [16:24] ok :p [16:24] ah, ok so it doesn't choose the correct one for your system if you install current, you have to knwo to pick the old one [16:24] or is the current not displayed on old systems? [16:25] i do not know i always install them manually without jockey [16:26] Has anyone tried loading an .xmodmap file in Oneiric. I couldn't get mine to load on startup, though it loads fine if I launch it manually from the terminal. [16:35] RubyG, I have nothing else for that bug. Please add more if I'm missing something. [16:37] Ian_Corne: already rebooted with 3? [16:38] CardinalFang Will do. I'll have a look tonight, as I'm not at my own PC right now [16:51] are there many annoying bugs in oneiric at the moment? [16:51] of course [16:51] There are many that annoy me a great deal [16:51] how annoying? [16:51] ok [16:52] sound, graphics, kernel, other? [16:52] yes,yes,yes,yes [16:52] good [16:52] thought it might be good to check before upgrade [16:53] um, it does have all those. It also seems to have bugs affecting all of them, at various degrees of annoying depending on hardware. [16:54] Ian_Corne, with a new user the application menu still empty... [16:54] because I went from oneiric back to natty about a week ago [16:54] elros: Like that one, that zniavre has today [16:55] I'll stick with natty for a month, then ask again [17:00] i got this one since alpha1 [17:07] yofel: yes [17:07] and it doesn't work atm [17:07] :S [17:07] with nvidia blob [17:07] fails to build or..? [17:07] i didn't see the output :( [17:08] sec [17:08] what does dkms status say? [17:08] how do I check that? [17:09] nvm, just did the kernel upgrade here and it didn't build it [17:09] Ah ok :) [17:10] I'd still like to know the dkms status checking :p [17:10] yay [17:10] Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.0-0-generic (x86_64) [17:10] Consult the make.log in the build directory [17:10] /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/ for more information. [17:11] lol [17:11] *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. *** [17:11] simlinks [17:11] same :p [17:11] ol d issue [17:11] The next victim of linus's selfishness [17:11] # ls [17:11] 2.6.39-3-generic-pae build source [17:11] how hav u installe dthe kernel ? [17:11] I just updated [17:11] dsathe: 3.0 is in the archive, and should be pulled by update now [17:12] /etc/modules is broken simlinks if u deleted [17:12] the src folder [17:12] dsathe: this is the package, if anyhting the packages are broken [17:12] It got pulled for me [17:12] what u need to do is simply reinstall the headers pkg [17:12] I didn't compile anything myself [17:12] itll make new simlinks [17:12] O.o [17:12] kk [17:12] srry [17:12] linux-headers-3.0-0-generic: [17:12] Installed: 3.0-0.1 [17:13] aaaah thts the issue [17:13] :P [17:13] neway use exactly the same version of headers else errors [17:14] that is the same kernel [17:14] gave up on default ubuntu kernels a while back [17:14] see the postinstall script of nvid current [17:14] :P [17:15] see if its lookin in the right places [17:15] oh btw [17:15] have u installed headers generic [17:15] ??? [17:15] 3 pkgs [17:15] I HAVE, believe, I know enough about the kernel for that [17:15] headers image-generic and headers-generic [17:15] now I'm reading nvidia makefiles [17:16] nvidia blob from nvid compiled with no issue on arch from aur on 3.0 [17:16] it probably does something like linux-2.6.* to determin the latest version or so [17:16] havnt tried 3.0 on ubuntu yet [17:16] dsathe: which nvidia version? [17:16] 270.41.xx [17:16] I would guess we just need a newer driver [17:16] one sec [17:16] yep [17:17] one cme out 2day [17:17] 275 [17:17] try that [17:17] :) [17:17] 270.41.06 [17:17] nvidia-current [17:17] in ubuntu [17:17] arch lemme see [17:18] !info gnomebaker [17:18] Package gnomebaker does not exist in oneiric [17:18] yep nvidia 275.09.04 [17:18] in aur [17:18] WHY!? [17:18] ah, I'm on 270.41.19 [17:18] what happened to gnomebaker? [17:19] probably we'll need 275 [17:19] nvidia beta all in aur [17:19] look at the pkgbuild [17:19] might help [17:19] ;) [17:21] though i have never had nvidia fails on kernel numbers must be something else but then i have never seen a major number change :P [17:22] ah yeah, nvidias conftest.sh has checks for 2.4 and 2.6 [17:22] well, me neither ^^ [17:23] silly nvidia! [17:23] :D [17:23] or maybe the 275 does have the correct checks? [17:23] I would think so, I'll get the tar and see if I can just copy the newer check over [17:24] isn't there a ppa for the new blobs? [17:25] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates?field.series_filter=oneiric [17:25] ah not updated yet [17:25] it is a bit newer [17:25] 270.41.19-0ubuntu1~xup [17:25] will build 3.0 on ubuntu n report back at night [17:26] btw i am on natty [17:26] hm, no, 270 doesn't build against 3.0 :/ [17:27] apparently plenty of new fixes in 275 for gnome 3 and kde 4.6 [17:27] thanks for headsup yofel [17:27] also a nice error (though not the only one): [17:27] /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/nv-linux.h:38:4: error: #error This driver does not support development kernels! [17:28] ouch [17:28] hahah [17:35] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html [17:40] I'm just trying to patch up a package for the newer one [17:40] * yofel needs to remember to ping Sarvatt later [17:46] yofel is it easy to do it (for 173.14xx too) ? [17:47] no idea, need to figure out mine first, pretty complicated scripting in the package [18:25] yay, 275 works :) [18:26] http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built [18:27] Ian_Corne: ^ [18:27] you got nvidia working? [18:27] yep, 275 works with 3.0 [18:27] wow [18:28] I had to junk the modaliases scripts from the package though, so the package is useless for jockey [18:28] I'll leave that to Sarvatt :P [18:28] for the record, there is bug 795562 that tracks the nvidia issue (and has a workaround/patch) [18:28] Launchpad bug 795562 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Dkms fails to build nvidia module for kernel 3.0-01" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795562 [18:29] too late :P [18:29] anyway, I learnt something about nvidia packaging [18:30] and 275.09.07 is final [18:31] yofel: so I just get nvidia-current and install? [18:32] anything else I need to do? [18:32] I just installed nvidia-current with dpkg -i, the postinst hook takes care of dkms [18:32] * IdleOne will test :) [18:34] hmm [18:34] nvidia-current-dev depends on nvidia-current (>= 275.09.07) [18:34] * IdleOne forgot to grab something [18:35] I think I grabbed the wrong one heh === F3ar is now known as F3ar|ZNC [18:46] thanks yofel [18:46] well, the package from edgers as it says on the bug probably works too [18:47] yofel: how come you don't have your own ppa? :) [18:47] I have a few, but that package is so hurrily hacked together that I don't want to upload it there [18:47] if I install that package, will it be updated to the official 275 when it gets in the repos? [18:48] or will it mess? [18:48] nah, I kept the official packaging with 275.09.07-0ubuntu1~yofel~oneiric [18:48] so should work fine (actually even lower than xup) [18:48] ok [18:51] lets see [18:51] has anyone else noticed that alt+tab comes up very slow with unity? [18:51] it really irritates me, and was like that in natty too [18:52] if you get the compiz ring switcher, it goes alot faster to come up [18:53] rebooting! [19:01] oh, and regarding the nvidia issue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/270.41.19-0ubuntu1 just landed in the archive so there is no need for manual intervention anymore. [19:01] no dice yofel [19:02] and i had nm troubles after the boot to 2.6.39 [19:02] and after another reboot to 2.6.39 nm works again [19:02] brr [19:02] odd [19:02] i'm on -pae [19:02] if that changes anything [19:02] but i'm looking at the log [19:03] hmm weird [19:04] 12181 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [ 8.331888] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input11 [19:04] 12182 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [ 8.332117] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input12 [19:04] 12183 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [ 8.332284] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input13 [19:04] 12184 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [ 8.332517] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input14 [19:04] is the only nvidia things I see [19:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/626731/ [19:09] so it seems just the same? [19:10] hm, no idea, I don't have a system to check the 32bit package on [19:12] is there an empathy chat channel for the devs? [19:14] or should I just report to launchpad all my gripes? [19:14] goddamit the empathy updates $*( the GS integration [19:14] n i hate unity :( [19:14] you haven't given it much chance? [19:15] don't see how you can hate unity [19:15] and like gnome shell [19:32] Is there a way to disable the Alt-F2 "Open prompt for executable" keybinding? I have that set to "Switch to Workspace 2", but Unity's fires anyway. [19:33] yes [19:33] ccsm [19:38] Ian_Corne, I call myself looking there. [19:39] cssm -> Desktop -> Unity plugin [19:40] found it? [20:33] does anyone here know if the 3.0.0 kernel will be released for natty, as I know it is being done up fo rthe oneiric? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:37] arif-ali: i've never seen a newer kernel be introduced after a release date [20:37] there's the kernel ppa i think which you can you use [20:37] but it's not recomended, like the nvidia blob won't work and stuff [20:37] ah, ok, I have been using the 3.3.0, until the rc3 came out [20:37] 3.3.0? [20:38] soz, typo, 3.0.0 rc3 [20:38] ah [20:38] and it works for you? [20:38] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [20:38] upto rc2, main reason, I needed it for the rtl8192se driver, which does not compile well with the default natty kernel [20:39] yeah, that is where I downloaded it from [20:39] I got a new laptop with a new crappy rtl 8192 wireless chipset, so been fighting to get a driver to work correctly [20:40] hehe [20:40] rc2 works, but rc3 doesn't I presume it needs some deps from Oneiric [20:40] I've got a new laptop with an 'unsuported' touchapd :( [20:42] right, I'll continue to compile the compat-wireless then with my current kernel then, thanks for your input [20:44] I remember fighting in Fedora to get things working with wireless with literally every release, this is the first time in 3 years, where I've had to try and get any of my HW working in ubuntu, ubuntu has been really solid === Adys is now known as Guest7918 === Guest7918 is now known as adys` [20:46] are there working nvidia drivers for the 3.0 kernel yet? [20:47] adys`: running 64 bit service? [20:47] err system [20:48] ya [20:48] 19:26:43 < yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built [20:48] it works for him [20:48] thanks [20:48] np [20:48] be sure to report back if it doesn't work :) [20:48] it didn't for my 32 bit pae kernel [20:48] and I'm to busy to actually debug and stuff [20:49] well, there should be a fixed driver in the archive soon too, 270 though [20:49] was already uploaded actually [20:49] i'm fine with 270 [20:49] :) [20:51] heres hoping the next nvidia release has 3.0 support [20:55] yofel, 275 worked, you rock [20:56] :) [20:56] :D [20:56] this makes me more curious why mine didn't work [20:57] where's buguando when you need him [20:58] Ian_Corne, yofel make that a worked-ish, compositing isnt launching and all [20:58] but i can run kdm for now which is good enough [20:58] no idea, KDE works fine for me [20:59] might be my install [20:59] im usually running off official drivers [20:59] you mean the .run? Did you remove the last with --uninstall? [21:00] yeah but i didnt properly cleanup i think [21:00] need to reinstall mesa [21:00] no matter [21:00] not really, nvidia ships their own glx lib [21:00] check for an abi mismatch in xorg.log rather [21:00] yes, which overrides mesa files [21:00] right, but the package makes sure the mesa ones are ignored [21:01] so shouldn't matter if they're broken [21:01] dunno; from experience, when switching from .run to debs, you need to reinstall libgl-mesa* stuff [21:01] that might have changed, its back from early natty alphas [21:02] for nouveau certainly, for nvidia it shouldn't matter, but good idea to do it anyway [21:02] the 275 blob has trouble identifying all possible matches for chips it might drive [21:02] so it's best to stick with the 270 at this point [21:03] meh, im happy to be able to run kdm right now [21:09] ah, guess I'm lucky then [21:13] :) [21:25] right now im useing kernel v3.0-rc3-oneiric from .. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ .... on 11.04..... and it seems to be doing great..... how well is oneric runing... [21:26] it's alpha-ish :) [21:27] More broken/missing then ever before for me [21:27] TheBuntu, did you upgrade the module-init-tools for that, i.e. updating to rc3? [21:27] from oneiric [21:28] yes... the kertnel wouldent install with out it [21:28] yeah, was that the only dependancy that you needed to install, as I am running rc2 at the moment? [21:28] yeah [21:29] cool, I will try my update again, thanks for that [21:29] no prob [21:30] Ian_Corne: so is it worse then 11.04 was at this point [21:30] eum, I thinks so [21:30] but i don't think i tried unity early enough [21:30] i use kde [21:30] ah, i've never tested with kde [21:31] yofel does use KDE i think [21:31] Yes, they do [21:31] a kde, I was just goin to say that I tried gnome3 from PPA on natty, and didn't lilke the look-and-feel [21:32] kubuntu still works reasonably fine since we don't have 4.7 yet, and probably won't have it soon [21:32] except NM problems, right?. [21:32] gnome 3 useing youtube.... video playback is alot better...with its new hardware stuff [21:33] we have a new NM plasmoid snapshot now, works reasonably well if you just need a wireless connections [21:33] the settings behave a bit odd sometimes, and some freeze plasma [21:33] TheBuntru, ok, cool, anyway to move to classic mode in gnome 3 like moving from unity? [21:35] i used kde 4.7 in arch and arch had problems with it.... used 4.7 in chakra witch is arch base... and it was perfect [21:38] so whats the best way to do the upgrade.... konsole or the gui tool [21:40] do-release-upgrade and update-manager do the same thing, so it doesn't matter [21:42] do-release-upgrade... the cli update-manager do is the update gui [21:43] except yofel , that your X might crash or something while doing the upgrade [21:43] :) [21:43] really? [21:43] so better to do it from cli [21:44] i've had it happen :p [21:44] ah, for ubuntu maybe with their login manager changes [21:44] kubuntu isn't close to lightdm than a theme mockup yet [21:44] *closer [21:46] so what you mean by that [21:48] well, far away [21:48] sudo do-release-upgrade.... Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found [21:49] you need to add -d [21:49] for devel release [21:49] sudo do-release-upgrade-d [21:49] with a space, it's a flag [21:50] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [21:50] right [21:50] :D [21:56] having var/apt/cach backed up on a spare partition makes it easyer for when something goes wrong with alpha... go back to stable realease and on apt-get dit-upgrade.... you dont have to download. everything.... just reinstalls the updates === PascalFR is now known as boxerjaune [22:06] evening [22:08] if im allowed a bitttttt of offtopic, let me ask you this, just for fun [22:08] can you tell me how much storage you have at home / where you are? [22:08] 3 closets [22:09] hahaha [22:09] hey BUGabundo [22:09] 990G with 400 or so used [22:09] maco: :) [22:10] all my homes added or averaged? [22:10] 3.6TB [22:10] try again in binary [22:10] BUGabundo: [22:10] CarlFK: total, please [22:10] including backup drives? [22:10] hmm including backup drives I have around 2.5TB [22:11] does this count as part of home: 5.5T 4.5T 1.1T 81% /home/juser/rawvid [22:11] 500, 250, 250, 120, 120, 16... umm...1.25TB ish, plus flash drives [22:11] CarlFK: i think he means at your house [22:11] Ian_Corne: oh, so including the drives that are sitting on a shelf ? [22:12] i dunno, ask BUGabundo :p [22:12] CarlFK: I am [22:12] I think I could come up with 20T [22:12] I'm even counting camara flash [22:12]