[05:23] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[05:24] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[05:24] <head_victim> What can I do for you
[05:26] <head_victim> I'm letting my mind simmer down before replying to the latest post to the forum :D
[07:35] <gorilla> Hi All, I'm trying to connect to icq using emapthy 2.30.3.. is anyone else having trouble?? if not, what's the server name that you have connected connected to?
[07:36] <head_victim> ICQ still exists? Cool!
[07:37] <gorilla> head_victim: don't ask why. I suggested that we implemnet an internal jabber server... that didn't go well :-/
[07:38] <head_victim> Bug 676060 ?
[07:38] <blahdeblah> gorilla: What would be wrong with an internal jabber server?  I run openfire for mine, and it pretty much rocks.
[07:39] <head_victim> gorilla: or a long link http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#I_can.27t_connect_to_my_AIM.2BAC8-ICQ_account_anymore
[07:39] <gorilla> blahdeblah: just management doesn't want me or anyone else to sped time on it.
[07:39] <blahdeblah> To run up a Debian or Ubuntu VM with openfire would take about 1 hour.
[07:41] <gorilla> blahdeblah: that's the official reason.. personally I think it's more that management don't want to run another client on their machines.... I looove the politics in this place.
[07:55] <gorilla> Nope.. looks like I have a different issue.
[08:28] <blahdeblah> gorilla: That's understandable to a point: the more software you install, the more software you have to upgrade/configure/troubleshoot
[08:28] <blahdeblah> ICQ is pretty old school, though
[09:12] <gorilla> blahdeblah: yeah.. but interactions with software is a pain in general.
[14:07] <head_victim> sagaci: you never said what you wanted before
[14:07] <sagaci> I don't think I wanted anything
[14:07] <sagaci> can't remember why I pinged
[14:07] <head_victim> Fair enough, just thought I'd check :)
[14:09] <head_victim> You did well the other night at the meeting btw, allowed discussion but kept it on topic
[14:10] <sagaci> still went over time due to extra topics
[14:10] <head_victim> Yeah that will happen.
[14:10] <fabricator4> Evening everyone
[14:10] <head_victim> Gday fabricator4 
[14:11] <head_victim> sagaci: one way around it could be to suggest that those topics that hadn't been brought up on the mailing list prior be rescheduled until the next meeting. Except I only thought of that just now.
[14:12] <sagaci> head_victim, ever thought about screencasting tutes/tips for youtube or similar
[14:12] <head_victim> Me? I don't think I'm good enough for that but if you were just talking about the idea it does sound useful.
[14:13] <sagaci> well it's how I learned and got enthused about linux/ubuntu
[14:14] <head_victim> Ah see I just blundered along with google by my side ;)
[14:14] <somethinginteres> thank goodness for Google. :)
[14:14] <sagaci> eww, text
[14:14] <fabricator4> +10 for Google
[14:15] <head_victim> I actually bought a book on linux system admin and that's how I'm teaching myself all about it
[14:15] <head_victim> Taking me too long to find time to dedicate to it though
[14:16] <head_victim> I could set up my server in an afternoon if I had to but the thing is I'm trying to learn "the correct way" to do things because I want this one to eventually be connected to the net so I want it secure as well.
[14:16] <fabricator4> Set up a server regardless, then learn by what you did wrong, THEN set it up the right way.
[14:17] <fabricator4> I don't know about anyone else, but I learn more from my mistakes than by reading a book.
[14:17] <head_victim> Oh I've set it up before as quick as I could and yeah it worked sort of.
[14:17] <sagaci> head_victim, which one
[14:17] <sagaci> i mean, what book
[14:18] <head_victim> I much rather working through a book, I make sure there are no holes in my knowledge that way.
[14:18] <head_victim> I recently found small gaps in my knowledge that I didn't even know existed by following proper documentation
[14:19] <head_victim> http://www.apress.com/9781430219125
[14:19] <fabricator4> Linux is like that.  The moment you start think you know something...
[14:19] <head_victim> The thing is I'm not in the IT field so a lot of "assumed" knowledge in my case is missing.
[14:20] <sagaci> head_victim, not the official ubuntu server book?
[14:20] <head_victim> I wanted something distro agnostic, just in case.
[14:20] <sagaci> ubuntu dies :o?
[14:21] <fabricator4> :-)
[14:21] <head_victim> Or I find myself on someone else's system that is *insert random distro here* and am not complete lost
[14:23] <head_victim> I just keep hoping one of these days an online university somewhere in Aus will put up some RHCE and Cisco stuff into a grad dip for me.
[14:25] <sagaci> i doubt it
[14:26] <head_victim> Heh the only catch my workplace has in educating people for free is that it has to be university level.
[14:26] <sagaci> there are unis that do majors in rhel but not the rhce specifically
[14:27] <head_victim> I can dream :D
[14:27] <sagaci> i wish canonical revamped their cert so it'd actually mean something
[14:30] <head_victim> Goddamnit.
[14:30] <head_victim> I just reinstalled my natty vm and updated to proposed and now trash is called trash again.
[14:32] <head_victim> Hmm the lines still appear correct in the unity package.
[14:34] <fabricator4> The joys of distributed development.  I haven't looked at the alpha yet...   any big differences?
[14:38] <head_victim> Hah I'm an idiot I don't think I set up the locale correct.
[14:38] <head_victim> To me that's a bit weird though, surely when it suggests your time and date in the installation it should set up the locale as well
[14:38] <fabricator4> Bug?
[14:39] <head_victim> I'd have to check to see if it's not already reported, discussed and rejected for some reason I hadn't thought ofyet
[15:28] <head_victim> I asked the question and was told "just because you live in a location doesn't mean you speak that language, also some locations have multiple languages so it generally uses the keyboard layout more than the location"
[15:28] <head_victim> Which is fair enough
[15:30] <fabricator4> Fair enough.  I think.  :-)
[15:30] <head_victim> Yeah, at least I got a response :D
[15:32] <fabricator4> I'm about to download the the alpha.  It's about time I had a look at it.
[15:34] <fabricator4> I just replied to the thread on the forum.  I felt it necessary to say something.  I'm not sticking my hand in a hornet's nest am I?  Probably...
[15:37] <head_victim> Yeah he's a pretty disruptive sort, he created a lot of tension in the team at the time of the last reapproval
[15:38] <head_victim> I'm not quite exactly sure how to deal with him but I've contacted the council about his behaviour so he doesn't derail the team's efforts.
[15:39] <head_victim> ANd I have to be awake in 4 hours so I'm going to head to bed I think.
[15:41] <fabricator4> sleep, what's that?  :-)
[15:41] <head_victim> Heh goodnight mate, have a good one if you're still here in 4 hours I'll see you then.
[15:42] <fabricator4> Goodnight!
[15:48] <somethinginteres> fabricator4: I've thought about installing the alpha in a VM (never used an alpha before) but I like surprise of using it for the first time on release and VMs to my knowledge use emulated hardware vs my actual hardware so I wouldn't be able to notice hardware regressions. 
[15:49] <fabricator4> Yes, I normally install the alphas and betas in a separate partition.  This works OK but is not as convenient...
[15:50] <fabricator4> I've become a big fan of VirtualBox since installing it a few weeks ago.  I think I'll install it the alpha in VB this time around.
[15:52] <fabricator4> This box is having compatibility issues with new releases: the graphics cards just aren't up to it.  I'm not sure the VB emulation will work, seeing as how the video systems I have are deficient.  It will be interesting to find out.
[15:55] <fabricator4> The alphas can be quite exciting.  Broken, buggy, but fun.  The problem with running in a VM is that bug reporting wrt actual hardware is not possible.  At some point you have to run it on a real machine to get real world results for testing purposes.
[16:07] <somethinginteres> fabricator4: yeah