[05:23] sagaci: pong [05:24] head_victim, ping [05:24] What can I do for you [05:26] I'm letting my mind simmer down before replying to the latest post to the forum :D [07:35] Hi All, I'm trying to connect to icq using emapthy 2.30.3.. is anyone else having trouble?? if not, what's the server name that you have connected connected to? [07:36] ICQ still exists? Cool! [07:37] head_victim: don't ask why. I suggested that we implemnet an internal jabber server... that didn't go well :-/ [07:38] Bug 676060 ? [07:38] Launchpad bug 676060 in Empathy "Cannot connect to ICQ (dup-of: 675903)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676060 [07:38] Launchpad bug 675903 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin ICQ connection error" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675903 [07:38] gorilla: What would be wrong with an internal jabber server? I run openfire for mine, and it pretty much rocks. [07:39] gorilla: or a long link http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#I_can.27t_connect_to_my_AIM.2BAC8-ICQ_account_anymore [07:39] blahdeblah: just management doesn't want me or anyone else to sped time on it. [07:39] To run up a Debian or Ubuntu VM with openfire would take about 1 hour. [07:41] blahdeblah: that's the official reason.. personally I think it's more that management don't want to run another client on their machines.... I looove the politics in this place. [07:55] Nope.. looks like I have a different issue. [08:28] gorilla: That's understandable to a point: the more software you install, the more software you have to upgrade/configure/troubleshoot [08:28] ICQ is pretty old school, though [09:12] blahdeblah: yeah.. but interactions with software is a pain in general. [14:07] sagaci: you never said what you wanted before [14:07] I don't think I wanted anything [14:07] can't remember why I pinged [14:07] Fair enough, just thought I'd check :) [14:09] You did well the other night at the meeting btw, allowed discussion but kept it on topic [14:10] still went over time due to extra topics [14:10] Yeah that will happen. [14:10] Evening everyone [14:10] Gday fabricator4 [14:11] sagaci: one way around it could be to suggest that those topics that hadn't been brought up on the mailing list prior be rescheduled until the next meeting. Except I only thought of that just now. [14:12] head_victim, ever thought about screencasting tutes/tips for youtube or similar [14:12] Me? I don't think I'm good enough for that but if you were just talking about the idea it does sound useful. [14:13] well it's how I learned and got enthused about linux/ubuntu [14:14] Ah see I just blundered along with google by my side ;) [14:14] thank goodness for Google. :) [14:14] eww, text [14:14] +10 for Google [14:15] I actually bought a book on linux system admin and that's how I'm teaching myself all about it [14:15] Taking me too long to find time to dedicate to it though [14:16] I could set up my server in an afternoon if I had to but the thing is I'm trying to learn "the correct way" to do things because I want this one to eventually be connected to the net so I want it secure as well. [14:16] Set up a server regardless, then learn by what you did wrong, THEN set it up the right way. [14:17] I don't know about anyone else, but I learn more from my mistakes than by reading a book. [14:17] Oh I've set it up before as quick as I could and yeah it worked sort of. [14:17] head_victim, which one [14:17] i mean, what book [14:18] I much rather working through a book, I make sure there are no holes in my knowledge that way. [14:18] I recently found small gaps in my knowledge that I didn't even know existed by following proper documentation [14:19] http://www.apress.com/9781430219125 [14:19] Linux is like that. The moment you start think you know something... [14:19] The thing is I'm not in the IT field so a lot of "assumed" knowledge in my case is missing. [14:20] head_victim, not the official ubuntu server book? [14:20] I wanted something distro agnostic, just in case. [14:20] ubuntu dies :o? [14:21] :-) [14:21] Or I find myself on someone else's system that is *insert random distro here* and am not complete lost [14:23] I just keep hoping one of these days an online university somewhere in Aus will put up some RHCE and Cisco stuff into a grad dip for me. [14:25] i doubt it [14:26] Heh the only catch my workplace has in educating people for free is that it has to be university level. [14:26] there are unis that do majors in rhel but not the rhce specifically [14:27] I can dream :D [14:27] i wish canonical revamped their cert so it'd actually mean something [14:30] Goddamnit. [14:30] I just reinstalled my natty vm and updated to proposed and now trash is called trash again. [14:32] Hmm the lines still appear correct in the unity package. [14:34] The joys of distributed development. I haven't looked at the alpha yet... any big differences? [14:38] Hah I'm an idiot I don't think I set up the locale correct. [14:38] To me that's a bit weird though, surely when it suggests your time and date in the installation it should set up the locale as well [14:38] Bug? [14:39] I'd have to check to see if it's not already reported, discussed and rejected for some reason I hadn't thought ofyet [15:28] I asked the question and was told "just because you live in a location doesn't mean you speak that language, also some locations have multiple languages so it generally uses the keyboard layout more than the location" [15:28] Which is fair enough [15:30] Fair enough. I think. :-) [15:30] Yeah, at least I got a response :D [15:32] I'm about to download the the alpha. It's about time I had a look at it. [15:34] I just replied to the thread on the forum. I felt it necessary to say something. I'm not sticking my hand in a hornet's nest am I? Probably... [15:37] Yeah he's a pretty disruptive sort, he created a lot of tension in the team at the time of the last reapproval [15:38] I'm not quite exactly sure how to deal with him but I've contacted the council about his behaviour so he doesn't derail the team's efforts. [15:39] ANd I have to be awake in 4 hours so I'm going to head to bed I think. [15:41] sleep, what's that? :-) [15:41] Heh goodnight mate, have a good one if you're still here in 4 hours I'll see you then. [15:42] Goodnight! [15:48] fabricator4: I've thought about installing the alpha in a VM (never used an alpha before) but I like surprise of using it for the first time on release and VMs to my knowledge use emulated hardware vs my actual hardware so I wouldn't be able to notice hardware regressions. [15:49] Yes, I normally install the alphas and betas in a separate partition. This works OK but is not as convenient... [15:50] I've become a big fan of VirtualBox since installing it a few weeks ago. I think I'll install it the alpha in VB this time around. [15:52] This box is having compatibility issues with new releases: the graphics cards just aren't up to it. I'm not sure the VB emulation will work, seeing as how the video systems I have are deficient. It will be interesting to find out. [15:55] The alphas can be quite exciting. Broken, buggy, but fun. The problem with running in a VM is that bug reporting wrt actual hardware is not possible. At some point you have to run it on a real machine to get real world results for testing purposes. [16:07] fabricator4: yeah