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lifelesspersia: are we meeting tonight?11:06
persiaI hadn't announced such a thing, but I suppose we could.11:07
persiaMain bit to sort being to make sure that this is a good time, since it hadn't been in the past (based on attendance).11:07
czajkowskiif yer stuck send a mail to the board and see if any of us can stand in nhandler steped in last week for EMEA11:08
czajkowskialoha btw :)11:08
persiaWe're stuck on a more fundamental level, really, but thanks :)11:09
* persia has an action item from UDS to sort, but it's not yet floated to the top in the priority stack.11:09
czajkowskipersia: no worries, well if you need at least for today as we've had people coming to EMEA to get approved11:09
persiaAre there any candidates who showed up despite there being no meeting announcement?11:10
lifelesspersia: not that I know of; its more that I didn't recall an announce, so assumed I'd missed it11:15
persiaNo, I've just been digging at a morass of other things, and didn't get to "[persia] become secretary for APAC membership board to take ownership over meeting time issue" yet.11:19
czajkowskic12:19
jpdspy12:20
jpdsczajkowski: Again?12:20
czajkowskiindeed :(12:26
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nijabao/16:56
ttx\o16:57
sommero//16:57
ttxsmells like 2008.16:57
sommerah the smell of victory!16:58
Davieyo/17:00
RoAkSoAxo/17:00
Daviey(/me mentions that he is on the phone conucrrently, so might be a little quiet in this meeting)17:00
smbo/17:01
SpamapS\_o17:01
RoAkSoAxalright I guess we should get this started17:01
RoAkSoAx#startmeeting17:02
MootBotMeeting started at 11:02. The chair is RoAkSoAx.17:02
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]17:02
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:02
RoAkSoAxThe only action from previouys meeting was:17:02
RoAkSoAxsommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation17:02
sommerj1mc told me that he already started some stuff with the presentation17:03
sommerhe said he'd let me know when he had something tangible17:03
Davieysommer: is j1mc likely to be here later?17:04
sommermight be another week since I haven't heard anything... I'll also start working on getting something mocked together17:04
sommerDaviey: not sure, maybe17:04
Davieyokay, sounds like it needs defering.17:04
Davieysommer: thanks :)17:04
sommernp17:04
RoAkSoAx[ACTION] deferring sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation17:04
MootBotACTION received:  deferring sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation17:04
RoAkSoAxok so there's no other action17:04
RoAkSoAxlet's move on17:04
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Oneiric Development17:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Oneiric Development17:05
Davieyo/17:05
DavieySince the last meeting we have a funky new work item tracker:17:05
Davieyhttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ubuntu-server.html17:05
DavieyIt's well worth having a look around there, to see how we are doing.17:05
DavieyWe do have some skew, due to a bug in the WI tracker vs Launchpad teams. :/17:05
MootBotLINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ubuntu-server.html17:05
DavieyWe do seem to be pretty well on track.  Incomming bug count is low (as expected).17:05
DavieyMerges of packages pertinent to Server are looking minimal now.  (Thanks everyone for watching that)17:05
DavieyWe really need to put extended focus on feature work.17:05
DavieyBut generally, things are looking rosey.  Nice job.17:05
Daviey..17:06
SpamapSpurty colors17:06
RoAkSoAxindeed17:06
SpamapSseems we should raise the WI number to 66017:06
DavieySpamapS: yeah...17:06
DavieyOh, the other thing to add.. is TOPICS17:06
DavieyThis is something quite new.17:06
Davieyone moment17:06
RoAkSoAxok...17:07
DavieySee the server pertinent topics, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/17:07
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DavieyThis allows more finegrain tracking of topics / features.17:07
Daviey... done. Thanks.17:07
RoAkSoAxawesome17:07
RoAkSoAxif there's noone else who wants to raise something17:08
RoAkSoAxlet's move on17:08
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events17:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events17:08
RoAkSoAxare there any events of interest that someone's is participating in?17:08
RoAkSoAxi guess not17:09
RoAkSoAxso let's move on17:09
DavieyMost of Canonical Server team will be in Dublin week of 27th17:09
RoAkSoAxahh the Rally17:09
RoAkSoAxindeed17:09
smoser...17:09
DavieySo any Dublin peeps want to meet for a beer... do speak up.17:09
SpamapSI will be at CloudCamp tonight in San diego17:09
smoseri will be giving a 5 minute blurb on Ubuntu one at a local event next friday17:09
SpamapShttp://cloudcamp-sandiego-2011.eventbrite.com/17:09
Davieysmoser: I'll book my flight now to that...17:09
MootBotLINK received:  http://cloudcamp-sandiego-2011.eventbrite.com/17:09
smoserand am talking tonight at Mug.org meeting about Ubuntu Server Oneiric17:09
smoserDaviey, right.17:10
smoserits good.17:10
Davieysmoser: (you need to comment where it is)17:10
* Daviey mentions https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-ensemble-conference-talks17:10
RoAkSoAxquite a few events17:11
RoAkSoAxso I guess there's nothing else17:11
RoAkSoAxi'll move on17:11
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)17:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)17:11
RoAkSoAxhggdh: o/17:11
zuloh and im at OLS right now17:11
zulsorry carry on :)17:12
RoAkSoAxhehe17:12
Davieyhggdh: Hello sir!17:12
smoserhggdh, so could you please update me on where we stand on hardy kernels in ec2 ?17:12
smoser...17:13
smoseri guess i will bother him later.17:13
RoAkSoAxseems that hggdh  is not around17:13
RoAkSoAxwe'll have to come back to him later17:13
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)17:13
smbsmoser, I can17:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)17:13
smbVarious little things done last week as well as changing hardy-xen to conform to qa-regression-testing and putting together a iscsitarget package proposal which I sent out to a few people that potentially can help me with some packaging stuff.17:13
smbsmoser, So basically the config option is turned off now (COMPAT_VDSO)17:14
smbIt was not really a regression though17:14
smbSo it should not prevent releasing the kernel as it is now17:14
smoserso theres a kernel in -proposed ?17:14
smoserthat we think might be good17:14
Davieysmb: Now the kernel is a major version higher, what exciting things are exciting to us?17:15
smbThe kernel currently in proposed has the problem with compat_vdso17:15
smbbut its not new. There will be the next one after that without17:15
smbDaviey, beside of new things outside the kernel breaking? :)17:15
Davieysmb: we love that.17:16
hggdhRoAkSoAx: in a sprint right now, with James17:16
RoAkSoAxhggdh: alrighty ;)17:17
RoAkSoAxsmb: anything else you'd like to add?17:17
smbOh, and I tried to boot a 2.6.39 as dom0 which went surprisingly well17:17
smbWell beside of some crashes the way down17:17
zulsweet17:17
smbI hope I can sort those out.17:18
smbOtherwise nothing else here17:18
RoAkSoAxalrighty then17:18
RoAkSoAxmoving on17:18
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)17:18
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)17:18
RoAkSoAxNCommand1r:17:19
RoAkSoAxo/17:19
Davieysmb: that is great news!17:19
DavieyNCommand1r: is currently on a call.. suspect he'll have to /pass17:19
RoAkSoAxDaviey: alright17:19
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community17:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community17:19
RoAkSoAxanyone from the Community has anything that they would like to bring into our attention?17:20
RoAkSoAxseems noone17:21
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Open Discussion17:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion17:21
RoAkSoAxeverybody seems bussy latelty :)17:21
Daviey:(17:21
SpamapSSo..17:21
SpamapSMySQL 5.5 ..17:21
zulplease say its done17:22
SpamapSWe really need to start by getting it into Debian, but Norbert seems very busy.17:22
Davieyheck, there is an outstanding merge for mysql 5.1 that is getting larger.17:22
SpamapSI am thinking that we, the ubuntu server team, should step up and 1) gain DD access (at least 2 of us) and 2) offer to help maintain MySQL in Debian.17:22
zulagreed17:22
SpamapSDaviey: indeed, we've been holding off since 5.5 is a target for oneiric and 5.1 will be demoted.17:23
DavieySpamapS: Who is talking to Norbert atm?17:23
SpamapSme17:23
SpamapSand he's been swamped.. he's had the 5.5 packages I prepared for 2 weeks now17:23
DavieySpamapS: How is that going?  Is he eager for help?17:23
SpamapSYes17:23
Davieyoh splendid17:23
DavieySpamapS: Is he looking to sponsor your packages?17:24
SpamapSI think we should offer it more clearly.. right now its just patches and little bits of help here and there.17:24
SpamapSMySQL is maintained by a "team" in Debian, but that team only has one DD.. Norbert17:24
DavieyWell we should certainly look to be more visable contributors to the team17:24
SpamapSI think I have enough cred now to ask Norbert to support me for DD17:24
SpamapSBut I think we should have another server team member seek DD status.17:25
Davieydandy.17:25
zuli would volunteer17:25
DavieyI think most of the team would quite like that.17:25
DavieySo i'm not sure there needs to be a specific volunteer, most of us that i know of are striving for it.17:25
SpamapSzul: ok, I'll draft an email for the pkg-mysql-maint mailing list and send it to you for review.17:26
DavieyYou don't need to be a DD to be a contributor, or even a maintainer :)17:26
SpamapSDaviey: thats just the thing, you need to be a DD to help with this situation. :-/17:26
zulSpamapS, cool beans17:26
DavieySpamapS: ah?17:27
SpamapSBecause after MySQL 5.5 is uploaded.. *all* of the rdepends need to be rebuilt17:27
DavieyHow so?17:27
SpamapS$ apt-cache rdepends libmysqlclient16|wc -l17:27
SpamapS17417:27
DavieyWell that is a transition.. not sure it needs NMU's for that..17:27
DavieySurely it would hit experiemental first?17:27
SpamapSDaviey: I think you're missing the point.. that w/o DD all we can do is file bugs and beg.17:28
SpamapSI'm a little worried we're too late for the transition to be successful in Oneiric. :(17:28
DavieyHmm.17:28
DavieyLets take this out of meeting and draft a plan.17:29
SpamapSYes good idea, I just wanted to bring up the situation.17:29
RoAkSoAxalright17:30
Davieygood stuff17:30
RoAkSoAxsince NCommand1r and hggdh and in call/sprint respectively, let's end this17:30
RoAkSoAx[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time17:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time17:30
RoAkSoAxTuesday, June 21st 2011 16:00 UTC17:31
RoAkSoAxthanks all17:31
DavieyThanks RoAkSoAx o/17:31
RoAkSoAx#endmeeting17:31
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:31.17:31
sommerthx all17:31
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ppisatio/17:59
sconklin\o17:59
kamalo/18:00
smbo/18:00
sforsheeo/18:00
ogasawara#startmeeting18:00
MootBotMeeting started at 12:00. The chair is ogasawara.18:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]18:00
ckingp/18:00
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
jjohansen\o18:00
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty18:00
ogasawara[TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)18:00
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Status (ppisati)18:00
ppisatiCVE fixes for all the branches (lucid/imx51 and [maverick|natty]/ti-omap4), plus lucid/mvl-dove got a rebase too.18:00
ppisatiStill tracking down a usb problem we have with gcc 4.6 that is now affecting both omap3 and omap4 (lp#796892 and lp#791552).18:00
ppisati..18:00
ogasawara[TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara)18:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara)18:00
ogasawara[LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt18:01
MootBotLINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt18:01
ogasawara==== oneiric nominated bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 26 linux kernel bugs (up 6)18:01
ogasawara==== Ubuntu oneiric-alpha-2 bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 3 linux kernel bugs (up 3)18:01
ogasawara==== oneiric-updates bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara==== natty-updates bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 25 linux kernel bugs (down 1)18:01
ogasawara==== maverick-updates bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 3 linux kernel bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara==== lucid-updates bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 8 linux kernel bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara==== hardy-updates bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara=== Incoming Bugs ===18:01
ogasawara * 19 oneiric bugs (up 4)18:01
ogasawara * 1312 natty bugs (up 58)18:01
ogasawara * 1127 maverick bugs (up 1)18:01
ogasawara * 1037 lucid bugs (up 3)18:01
ogasawara * 38 hardy bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara=== Regressions ===18:01
ogasawara==== regression-update bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara * 4 natty bugs (up 2)18:01
ogasawara * 42 maverick bugs (up 1)18:01
ogasawara * 75 lucid bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara==== regression-release bugs ====18:01
ogasawara * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)18:01
ogasawara * 453 natty bugs (down 3)18:02
ogasawara * 248 maverick bugs (up 1)18:02
ogasawara * 224 lucid bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara==== regression-proposed bugs ====18:02
ogasawara * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara * 2 natty bugs (up 1)18:02
ogasawara * 2 maverick bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara * 0 lucid bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)18:02
ogasawara..18:02
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara)18:02
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review18:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review18:02
ogasawaraapw, jjohansen, lag, manjo, ralveti, rtg: you have Alpha-2 work items to review your set of Ubuntu patches.  Please take a moment to review when you have a chance. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricUbuntuDeltaReview for your specific set of patches.18:02
ogasawara..18:02
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb)18:02
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements18:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements18:02
smbStarted to play with dom0 and it worked surprisingly well for a first attempt18:02
Daviey\o/18:03
smbBut there are some workings on the way up and more serious fails on the way down to look at18:03
smb..18:03
ogasawara[TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara)18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara)18:03
* smb meant warnings not workings...18:03
ogasawaraThanks to apw's efforts, fallout from changing to a v3.0 kernel should be resolved.  We've gone ahead and uploaded a v3.0 kernel and meta package to the archive.  Previous issues noted with the i915 driver as well as running an early 3.0-rc on atom processors should be resolved.  For anyone not yet running a 3.0 kernel, please install and help with some early testing.18:03
ogasawara..18:03
ogasawara[TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (bjf/sconklin)18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Stable Kernel Team (bjf/sconklin)18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| The stable kernel team has had multiple delays in getting a start to the current18:04
sconklin|| cycle due to several regressions that were due to upstream stable updates.18:04
sconklin|| Status now is:18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| Hardy: kernel has released18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| Lucid: Currently in verification. We have a regression that looks like it will be resolved18:04
sconklin|| by reverting an upstream patch. If that's true, we will revert this at the end of18:04
sconklin|| verification and proceed with QA and/or Certification18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| Maverick: Currently in verification. No regressions so far. Only two bugs remaining to18:04
sconklin|| be verified.18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| Natty: Currently in verification, with two possible regressions reported. The root cause18:04
sconklin|| of the regressions isn't known, and bisecting will be done to attempt to find them.18:04
sconklin|| It's not known whether they will be found before completion of the verification time.18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin|| Current SRU status is here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html18:04
sconklin||18:04
sconklin..18:04
ogasawara[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin)18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin)18:05
sconklin|| Current versions can always be found here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html18:05
sconklin||18:05
sconklin|| Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||18:05
sconklin||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:05
sconklin|| lucid    linux-meta-lts-backport-natty     ||                      || 2.6.38.10.20         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-316.31        || 2.6.32-317.34        ||    3 ||        1 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-lts-backport-natty          ||                      || 2.6.38-10.44~lucid1  ||    1 ||        1 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               || 2.6.32.216.18        || 2.6.32.217.19        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.32.32.24         || 2.6.32.33.25         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-mvl-dove                    || 2.6.32-216.33        || 2.6.32-217.34        ||    8 ||        6 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick  || 2.6.35.25.36         || 2.6.35.30.38         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1  || 2.6.35-30.54~lucid1  ||   21 ||       21 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.32.32.38         || 2.6.32.33.39         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.7               || 1.34.10              ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-32.62         || 2.6.32-33.66         ||    3 ||        1 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-fsl-imx51                   || 2.6.31-608.25        || 2.6.31-609.26        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-fsl-imx51              || 2.6.31.608.9         || 2.6.31.609.10        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-32.32         || 2.6.32-33.33         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || 2.6.32.316.17        || 2.6.32.317.18        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:05
sconklin|| maverick linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.35.28.21         || 2.6.35.30.23         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-mvl-dove                    || 2.6.32-416.33        || 2.6.32-417.34        ||    6 ||        5 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               || 2.6.32.416.6         || 2.6.32.417.7         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:05
sconklin|| ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.38.6               || 1.38.8               ||    1 ||        0 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux                             || 2.6.35-28.50         || 2.6.35-30.54         ||   14 ||       12 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.35    || 2.6.35-28.20         || 2.6.35-30.22         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.35.28.36         || 2.6.35.30.38         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:06
sconklin||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:06
sconklin|| natty    linux-ti-omap4                    ||                      || 2.6.38-1209.13       ||   10 ||       10 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.38    ||                      || 2.6.38-10.6          ||    0 ||        0 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux-meta-ti-omap4               ||                      || 2.6.38.1209.7        ||    0 ||        0 ||18:06
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sconklin|| ---      linux-meta                        ||                      || 2.6.38.10.25         ||    0 ||        0 ||18:06
sconklin|| ---      linux                             ||                      || 2.6.38-10.44         ||   15 ||       15 ||18:06
sconklin||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||18:06
sconklin..18:06
ogasawara[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)18:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)18:06
apw..18:06
ogasawarathanks everyone18:06
ogasawara#endmeeting18:06
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:06.18:06
kamalthanks ogasawara18:07
ckingnice one18:07
sconklinthanks!18:07
DavieyWow, is that the shortest meeting ever?18:07
apwDaviey, not close18:07
* smb just has not looked for a second18:07
Daviey:o18:07
* Daviey notes that the server team needs to take some lessons from the kernel team.18:08
ogra_Daviey, i hope you dont ... to read statistics i can use libO calc better than wasting time for a meeting :P18:09
Davieyheh18:10
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LcawteAnyone here for the Gaming team meeting, head over to #ubuntu-gaming, we're due to start in a minute19:58
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