=== xeros_ is now known as xeros [11:06] persia: are we meeting tonight? [11:07] I hadn't announced such a thing, but I suppose we could. [11:07] Main bit to sort being to make sure that this is a good time, since it hadn't been in the past (based on attendance). [11:08] if yer stuck send a mail to the board and see if any of us can stand in nhandler steped in last week for EMEA [11:08] aloha btw :) [11:09] We're stuck on a more fundamental level, really, but thanks :) [11:09] * persia has an action item from UDS to sort, but it's not yet floated to the top in the priority stack. [11:09] persia: no worries, well if you need at least for today as we've had people coming to EMEA to get approved [11:10] Are there any candidates who showed up despite there being no meeting announcement? [11:15] persia: not that I know of; its more that I didn't recall an announce, so assumed I'd missed it [11:19] No, I've just been digging at a morass of other things, and didn't get to "[persia] become secretary for APAC membership board to take ownership over meeting time issue" yet. [12:19] c [12:20] py [12:20] czajkowski: Again? [12:26] indeed :( === doko_ is now known as doko === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === cking_ is now known as cking === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca1 === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew === zul_ is now known as zul === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [16:56] o/ [16:57] \o [16:57] o// [16:57] smells like 2008. [16:58] ah the smell of victory! [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] (/me mentions that he is on the phone conucrrently, so might be a little quiet in this meeting) [17:01] o/ [17:01] \_o [17:01] alright I guess we should get this started [17:02] #startmeeting [17:02] Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is RoAkSoAx. [17:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:02] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:02] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:02] The only action from previouys meeting was: [17:02] sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation [17:03] j1mc told me that he already started some stuff with the presentation [17:03] he said he'd let me know when he had something tangible [17:04] sommer: is j1mc likely to be here later? [17:04] might be another week since I haven't heard anything... I'll also start working on getting something mocked together [17:04] Daviey: not sure, maybe [17:04] okay, sounds like it needs defering. [17:04] sommer: thanks :) [17:04] np [17:04] [ACTION] deferring sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation [17:04] ACTION received: deferring sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation [17:04] ok so there's no other action [17:04] let's move on [17:05] [TOPIC] Oneiric Development [17:05] New Topic: Oneiric Development [17:05] o/ [17:05] Since the last meeting we have a funky new work item tracker: [17:05] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ubuntu-server.html [17:05] It's well worth having a look around there, to see how we are doing. [17:05] We do have some skew, due to a bug in the WI tracker vs Launchpad teams. :/ [17:05] LINK received: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ubuntu-server.html [17:05] We do seem to be pretty well on track. Incomming bug count is low (as expected). [17:05] Merges of packages pertinent to Server are looking minimal now. (Thanks everyone for watching that) [17:05] We really need to put extended focus on feature work. [17:05] But generally, things are looking rosey. Nice job. [17:06] .. [17:06] purty colors [17:06] indeed [17:06] seems we should raise the WI number to 660 [17:06] SpamapS: yeah... [17:06] Oh, the other thing to add.. is TOPICS [17:06] This is something quite new. [17:06] one moment [17:07] ok... [17:07] See the server pertinent topics, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ === lionel__ is now known as lionel [17:07] This allows more finegrain tracking of topics / features. [17:07] ... done. Thanks. [17:07] awesome [17:08] if there's noone else who wants to raise something [17:08] let's move on [17:08] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:08] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:08] are there any events of interest that someone's is participating in? [17:09] i guess not [17:09] so let's move on [17:09] Most of Canonical Server team will be in Dublin week of 27th [17:09] ahh the Rally [17:09] indeed [17:09] ... [17:09] So any Dublin peeps want to meet for a beer... do speak up. [17:09] I will be at CloudCamp tonight in San diego [17:09] i will be giving a 5 minute blurb on Ubuntu one at a local event next friday [17:09] http://cloudcamp-sandiego-2011.eventbrite.com/ [17:09] smoser: I'll book my flight now to that... [17:09] LINK received: http://cloudcamp-sandiego-2011.eventbrite.com/ [17:09] and am talking tonight at Mug.org meeting about Ubuntu Server Oneiric [17:10] Daviey, right. [17:10] its good. [17:10] smoser: (you need to comment where it is) [17:10] * Daviey mentions https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-ensemble-conference-talks [17:11] quite a few events [17:11] so I guess there's nothing else [17:11] i'll move on [17:11] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:11] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:11] hggdh: o/ [17:11] oh and im at OLS right now [17:12] sorry carry on :) [17:12] hehe [17:12] hggdh: Hello sir! [17:12] hggdh, so could you please update me on where we stand on hardy kernels in ec2 ? [17:13] ... [17:13] i guess i will bother him later. [17:13] seems that hggdh is not around [17:13] we'll have to come back to him later [17:13] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:13] smoser, I can [17:13] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:13] Various little things done last week as well as changing hardy-xen to conform to qa-regression-testing and putting together a iscsitarget package proposal which I sent out to a few people that potentially can help me with some packaging stuff. [17:14] smoser, So basically the config option is turned off now (COMPAT_VDSO) [17:14] It was not really a regression though [17:14] So it should not prevent releasing the kernel as it is now [17:14] so theres a kernel in -proposed ? [17:14] that we think might be good [17:15] smb: Now the kernel is a major version higher, what exciting things are exciting to us? [17:15] The kernel currently in proposed has the problem with compat_vdso [17:15] but its not new. There will be the next one after that without [17:15] Daviey, beside of new things outside the kernel breaking? :) [17:16] smb: we love that. [17:16] RoAkSoAx: in a sprint right now, with James [17:17] hggdh: alrighty ;) [17:17] smb: anything else you'd like to add? [17:17] Oh, and I tried to boot a 2.6.39 as dom0 which went surprisingly well [17:17] Well beside of some crashes the way down [17:17] sweet [17:18] I hope I can sort those out. [17:18] Otherwise nothing else here [17:18] alrighty then [17:18] moving on [17:18] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander) [17:18] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander) [17:19] NCommand1r: [17:19] o/ [17:19] smb: that is great news! [17:19] NCommand1r: is currently on a call.. suspect he'll have to /pass [17:19] Daviey: alright [17:19] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:19] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:20] anyone from the Community has anything that they would like to bring into our attention? [17:21] seems noone [17:21] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [17:21] New Topic: Open Discussion [17:21] everybody seems bussy latelty :) [17:21] :( [17:21] So.. [17:21] MySQL 5.5 .. [17:22] please say its done [17:22] We really need to start by getting it into Debian, but Norbert seems very busy. [17:22] heck, there is an outstanding merge for mysql 5.1 that is getting larger. [17:22] I am thinking that we, the ubuntu server team, should step up and 1) gain DD access (at least 2 of us) and 2) offer to help maintain MySQL in Debian. [17:22] agreed [17:23] Daviey: indeed, we've been holding off since 5.5 is a target for oneiric and 5.1 will be demoted. [17:23] SpamapS: Who is talking to Norbert atm? [17:23] me [17:23] and he's been swamped.. he's had the 5.5 packages I prepared for 2 weeks now [17:23] SpamapS: How is that going? Is he eager for help? [17:23] Yes [17:23] oh splendid [17:24] SpamapS: Is he looking to sponsor your packages? [17:24] I think we should offer it more clearly.. right now its just patches and little bits of help here and there. [17:24] MySQL is maintained by a "team" in Debian, but that team only has one DD.. Norbert [17:24] Well we should certainly look to be more visable contributors to the team [17:24] I think I have enough cred now to ask Norbert to support me for DD [17:25] But I think we should have another server team member seek DD status. [17:25] dandy. [17:25] i would volunteer [17:25] I think most of the team would quite like that. [17:25] So i'm not sure there needs to be a specific volunteer, most of us that i know of are striving for it. [17:26] zul: ok, I'll draft an email for the pkg-mysql-maint mailing list and send it to you for review. [17:26] You don't need to be a DD to be a contributor, or even a maintainer :) [17:26] Daviey: thats just the thing, you need to be a DD to help with this situation. :-/ [17:26] SpamapS, cool beans [17:27] SpamapS: ah? [17:27] Because after MySQL 5.5 is uploaded.. *all* of the rdepends need to be rebuilt [17:27] How so? [17:27] $ apt-cache rdepends libmysqlclient16|wc -l [17:27] 174 [17:27] Well that is a transition.. not sure it needs NMU's for that.. [17:27] Surely it would hit experiemental first? [17:28] Daviey: I think you're missing the point.. that w/o DD all we can do is file bugs and beg. [17:28] I'm a little worried we're too late for the transition to be successful in Oneiric. :( [17:28] Hmm. [17:29] Lets take this out of meeting and draft a plan. [17:29] Yes good idea, I just wanted to bring up the situation. [17:30] alright [17:30] good stuff [17:30] since NCommand1r and hggdh and in call/sprint respectively, let's end this [17:30] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [17:30] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [17:31] Tuesday, June 21st 2011 16:00 UTC [17:31] thanks all [17:31] Thanks RoAkSoAx o/ [17:31] #endmeeting [17:31] Meeting finished at 11:31. [17:31] thx all === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [17:59] o/ [17:59] \o [18:00] o/ [18:00] o/ [18:00] o/ [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is ogasawara. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] p/ [18:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:00] \o [18:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [18:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [18:00] [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) [18:00] New Topic: ARM Status (ppisati) [18:00] CVE fixes for all the branches (lucid/imx51 and [maverick|natty]/ti-omap4), plus lucid/mvl-dove got a rebase too. [18:00] Still tracking down a usb problem we have with gcc 4.6 that is now affecting both omap3 and omap4 (lp#796892 and lp#791552). [18:00] .. [18:00] [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara) [18:00] New Topic: Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara) [18:01] [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt [18:01] LINK received: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt [18:01] ==== oneiric nominated bugs ==== [18:01] * 26 linux kernel bugs (up 6) [18:01] ==== Ubuntu oneiric-alpha-2 bugs ==== [18:01] * 3 linux kernel bugs (up 3) [18:01] ==== oneiric-updates bugs ==== [18:01] * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [18:01] ==== natty-updates bugs ==== [18:01] * 25 linux kernel bugs (down 1) [18:01] ==== maverick-updates bugs ==== [18:01] * 3 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [18:01] ==== lucid-updates bugs ==== [18:01] * 8 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [18:01] ==== hardy-updates bugs ==== [18:01] * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [18:01] === Incoming Bugs === [18:01] * 19 oneiric bugs (up 4) [18:01] * 1312 natty bugs (up 58) [18:01] * 1127 maverick bugs (up 1) [18:01] * 1037 lucid bugs (up 3) [18:01] * 38 hardy bugs (no change 0) [18:01] === Regressions === [18:01] ==== regression-update bugs ==== [18:01] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [18:01] * 4 natty bugs (up 2) [18:01] * 42 maverick bugs (up 1) [18:01] * 75 lucid bugs (no change 0) [18:01] * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0) [18:01] ==== regression-release bugs ==== [18:01] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [18:02] * 453 natty bugs (down 3) [18:02] * 248 maverick bugs (up 1) [18:02] * 224 lucid bugs (no change 0) [18:02] * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0) [18:02] ==== regression-proposed bugs ==== [18:02] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [18:02] * 2 natty bugs (up 1) [18:02] * 2 maverick bugs (no change 0) [18:02] * 0 lucid bugs (no change 0) [18:02] * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0) [18:02] .. [18:02] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [18:02] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [18:02] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [18:02] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [18:02] apw, jjohansen, lag, manjo, ralveti, rtg: you have Alpha-2 work items to review your set of Ubuntu patches. Please take a moment to review when you have a chance. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricUbuntuDeltaReview for your specific set of patches. [18:02] .. [18:02] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [18:02] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [18:02] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [18:02] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [18:02] Started to play with dom0 and it worked surprisingly well for a first attempt [18:03] \o/ [18:03] But there are some workings on the way up and more serious fails on the way down to look at [18:03] .. [18:03] [TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [18:03] New Topic: Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [18:03] * smb meant warnings not workings... [18:03] Thanks to apw's efforts, fallout from changing to a v3.0 kernel should be resolved. We've gone ahead and uploaded a v3.0 kernel and meta package to the archive. Previous issues noted with the i915 driver as well as running an early 3.0-rc on atom processors should be resolved. For anyone not yet running a 3.0 kernel, please install and help with some early testing. [18:03] .. [18:04] [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (bjf/sconklin) [18:04] New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (bjf/sconklin) [18:04] || [18:04] || The stable kernel team has had multiple delays in getting a start to the current [18:04] || cycle due to several regressions that were due to upstream stable updates. [18:04] || Status now is: [18:04] || [18:04] || Hardy: kernel has released [18:04] || [18:04] || Lucid: Currently in verification. We have a regression that looks like it will be resolved [18:04] || by reverting an upstream patch. If that's true, we will revert this at the end of [18:04] || verification and proceed with QA and/or Certification [18:04] || [18:04] || Maverick: Currently in verification. No regressions so far. Only two bugs remaining to [18:04] || be verified. [18:04] || [18:04] || Natty: Currently in verification, with two possible regressions reported. The root cause [18:04] || of the regressions isn't known, and bisecting will be done to attempt to find them. [18:04] || It's not known whether they will be found before completion of the verification time. [18:04] || [18:04] || Current SRU status is here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html [18:04] || [18:04] .. [18:05] [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin) [18:05] New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin) [18:05] || Current versions can always be found here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html [18:05] || [18:05] || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || [18:05] || || || || || || [18:05] || lucid linux-meta-lts-backport-natty || || 2.6.38.10.20 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-316.31 || 2.6.32-317.34 || 3 || 1 || [18:05] || --- linux-lts-backport-natty || || 2.6.38-10.44~lucid1 || 1 || 1 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || 2.6.32.216.18 || 2.6.32.217.19 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.32.24 || 2.6.32.33.25 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-mvl-dove || 2.6.32-216.33 || 2.6.32-217.34 || 8 || 6 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.25.36 || 2.6.35.30.38 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-30.54~lucid1 || 21 || 21 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.32.38 || 2.6.32.33.39 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-firmware || 1.34.7 || 1.34.10 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux || 2.6.32-32.62 || 2.6.32-33.66 || 3 || 1 || [18:05] || --- linux-fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.25 || 2.6.31-609.26 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31.608.9 || 2.6.31.609.10 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-32.32 || 2.6.32-33.33 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-ec2 || 2.6.32.316.17 || 2.6.32.317.18 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || || || || || || [18:05] || maverick linux-ports-meta || 2.6.35.28.21 || 2.6.35.30.23 || 0 || 0 || [18:05] || --- linux-mvl-dove || 2.6.32-416.33 || 2.6.32-417.34 || 6 || 5 || [18:05] || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || 2.6.32.416.6 || 2.6.32.417.7 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux-firmware || 1.38.6 || 1.38.8 || 1 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux || 2.6.35-28.50 || 2.6.35-30.54 || 14 || 12 || [18:06] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 || 2.6.35-28.20 || 2.6.35-30.22 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.35.28.36 || 2.6.35.30.38 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || || || || || || [18:06] || natty linux-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38-1209.13 || 10 || 10 || [18:06] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.38 || || 2.6.38-10.6 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux-meta-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38.1209.7 || 0 || 0 || === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [18:06] || --- linux-meta || || 2.6.38.10.25 || 0 || 0 || [18:06] || --- linux || || 2.6.38-10.44 || 15 || 15 || [18:06] || || || || || || [18:06] .. [18:06] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [18:06] New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [18:06] .. [18:06] thanks everyone [18:06] #endmeeting [18:06] Meeting finished at 12:06. [18:07] thanks ogasawara [18:07] nice one [18:07] thanks! [18:07] Wow, is that the shortest meeting ever? [18:07] Daviey, not close [18:07] * smb just has not looked for a second [18:07] :o [18:08] * Daviey notes that the server team needs to take some lessons from the kernel team. [18:09] Daviey, i hope you dont ... to read statistics i can use libO calc better than wasting time for a meeting :P [18:10] heh === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Ursula is now known as Ursinh === Ursinh is now known as Ursinha [19:58] Anyone here for the Gaming team meeting, head over to #ubuntu-gaming, we're due to start in a minute === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [20:12] * Lcawte wonders how many new folks are here === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan