[06:25] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: o/
[06:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just about to leave.
[06:26] <AlanBell> ok
[08:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:56] <popey> morning
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning alan
[09:07] <DJones> Morning all
[09:08] <MooDoo> morning
[09:08] <diplo> Morning all
[09:10] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:13] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:18] <diplo> AlanBell, do you guys use Alfresco ?
[09:26] <dogmatic69> sup BigRedS
[09:26] <BigRedS> Morning dogmatic69! Not a lot, you?
[09:27] <dogmatic69> coding
[09:27] <dogmatic69> nothing to exciting going on
[09:27] <dutchie> oh you stupid computer
[09:27] <BigRedS> must be user error
[09:27] <dutchie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/47591/dpkg-hangs-on-updates AGAIN
[09:28] <BigRedS> ok. perhaps that one's not user error
[09:29] <BigRedS> does ask ubuntu replace the launchpad questions thing?
[09:29] <dutchie> i have no idea
[09:30] <bigcalm> Good morning workers
[09:31] <dutchie> lo bigcalm
[09:31] <BigRedS> g'morning
[09:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm: workes?  /me looks around
[09:31] <bigcalm> Quite
[09:32] <bigcalm> I have a week off and my inbox looks horrible
[09:32] <BigRedS> just mark all as read
[09:32] <bigcalm> And then go back to bed?
[09:32] <BigRedS> yeah
[09:32] <bigcalm> That's my kind of Tuesday \o/
[09:33] <BigRedS> haha
[09:35] <bigcalm> Just had physio, so really do feel like going back to bed
[09:36] <oimon> woke up at 4am due to dog whining and couldn't sleep for 3 hrs :(
[09:36] <oimon> by the time i fell asleep it was just before the alarm went off and i felt rubbish
[09:38] <daubers> lo
[09:43] <jpds> eth0
[09:45] <BigRedS> hurr
[10:14] <oimon> have you guys read the shuttleworth interviwe http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/061311-mark-shuttleworth.html
[10:14]  * popey clicks
[10:15] <oimon> i'm sure you've already seen it popey, nothing gets through the popeywall
[10:16]  * bigcalm beams a smelly cheese to popey
[10:18] <popey> no, I hadn't seen it
[10:18] <popey> have added it to the news for the next podcast show
[10:19] <popey> thanks!
[10:19] <oimon> np
[10:19] <oimon> there's also a bit in the interview where he says that he bought an ipad because of popey
[10:20] <popey> lol
[10:20] <oimon> [citation needed]
[10:21]  * MooDoo shakes his head and did actually look for that part of the interview....FISHED IN
[10:22] <oimon> o/-----------------------------(moodoo)
[10:22] <oimon> thats MooDoo on the end of my fishing line
[10:23] <oimon> update from my train company yesterday: "Service disruption caused by a toy balloon obstructing the overhead powerline equipment near Ponders End"
[10:23] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:23] <BigRedS> haha
[10:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:24] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski x
[10:24] <oimon> slapping 10.04 on a PC for a friend....still feels good, even on old PC
[10:25] <oimon> + ubuntu-restricted-extras, skype , chromium, move buttons to right and you're done in < 30 mins
[10:25] <popey> hahah
[10:26] <oimon> (plus delete the bottom panel), and download the ubuntu manual onto the desktop
[10:26] <oimon> even on 512mb it runs sweetly though
[10:26]  * oimon has some more spare pcs..
[10:26] <ali1234> lol ubuntu on 512mb
[10:26] <ali1234> i hope the person never tries to run anything except vim and mutt
[10:27] <oimon> chromium , facebook, youtube, etc all run fine
[10:27] <oimon> that's 90% of av. joe's activity
[10:27] <ali1234> chromium in 512mb is painful
[10:27] <oimon> nah..not with 3 tabs
[10:27] <ali1234> and that's before you go to a page that uses flash
[10:28] <ali1234> 4gb is not enough to run ubuntu these days, 512mb is a joke
[10:28] <oimon> it all depends on your usage patterns
[10:28] <ali1234> usage pattern = load firefox, visit a webpage
[10:28] <oimon> my work PC needs 4gb true, cos i never shutdown
[10:28] <czajkowski> hmm machine is running rather slowly today m
[10:29] <oimon> hmm must remember to uninstall gwibber and install hotot
[10:29] <gord> i opened 400 720p images in gimp... my computer is also running slowly now :(
[10:29] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:29] <MooDoo> lol
[10:30] <ali1234> that's only 1.4gb
[10:30] <czajkowski> is there a tool to spring clean unwanted packages, does janitor do enough ?
[10:30] <popey> czajkowski: apt-get autoremove
[10:30] <popey> but thats almost certainly not causing your machine to run slow
[10:31] <czajkowski> After this operation, 6,574 kB disk space will be freed.
[10:31] <czajkowski> popey: thank you
[10:31] <czajkowski> xorg has already randomly rebooted on me today
[10:31] <czajkowski> :s
[10:31] <popey> it will delete all your date though.
[10:31] <popey> *data
[10:31] <popey> (kidding)
[10:32] <czajkowski> popey: I know you're not mean enough to ever give someone a command to do that kinda thing
[10:32] <czajkowski> plus
[10:32] <oimon> jokes about data are not funny :P
[10:32] <czajkowski> I know where you live and I'd come and kiillllllll you
[10:32] <oimon> they come back to eat you
[10:32] <popey> haha
[10:32] <gord> huh... thats the third person i have heard of mentioning xorg crashes today
[10:32] <czajkowski> gord: I've a ppa in for a fix from someone who helped me fix it
[10:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wow is this the old aggressive you coming back to us?
[10:32] <czajkowski> but before I had the ppa in it would do it 2-3 times a day
[10:32] <popey> woop woop!
[10:33] <czajkowski> MooDoo: no this is me who woke up at 5am
[10:33] <gord> czajkowski, intel?
[10:33]  * popey hugs his two RAID 10 arrays!
[10:33] <czajkowski> gord: aye
[10:33]  * oimon is having problems converting a DVD to .rec format :(
[10:33] <gord> czajkowski, whats the ppa?
[10:33] <czajkowski> gord: hmmm
[10:33] <popey> hmm, I should just add this second RAID10 to the first and make one giant LVM
[10:34] <czajkowski> gord: I tweeted it at the time
[10:34] <czajkowski> lemmie see
[10:34] <czajkowski> navigating at times via unity confuses me
[10:35] <czajkowski> gord: see pm :D
[10:39] <czajkowski> adding his ppa to it fixed it http://ppa.launchpad.net/sarvatt/sru3/ubuntu/
[10:39] <czajkowski> for natty
[10:40] <oimon> hmm is there a bug # assocaited with this czajkowski?
[10:40] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt
[10:41] <czajkowski> oimon: yes or I'd not be doing it :) but I don't know the bug number off
[10:45] <czajkowski> cant find the bug I logged as it was a duplicate it seems
[10:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:48] <MooDoo> brobostigon: good morning si
[10:48] <MooDoo> sir
[10:49] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good morning, :)
[10:55] <oimon> hmm
[10:56] <oimon> somebody who has left and is now working at a bank still has a user account on our network. they are rsyncing VERY private info to their home dir on my systems
[10:56] <oimon> i don't think that stuff is really designed to go offsite
[10:58] <popey> is it a cron job?
[11:01] <oimon> no, he's run an rsync over ssh
[11:02] <popey> i run rsync over ssh
[11:02] <popey> via cron
[11:02] <jpds> oimon: apt-get install -y slay
[11:02] <oimon> possibily cron on the remote machine..none on my server
[11:03] <oimon> hopefully i can close the account
[11:03] <popey> thats what I meant
[11:03] <popey> i.e. it could be something that he had running regularly and you've just spotted it
[11:03] <oimon> it's funny how he doesn't think much of the confidentiality
[11:04] <czajkowski> oimon: it is also possible he's forgotten it's doing it
[11:04] <czajkowski> or at least to that extent
[11:04] <oimon> it seems quite deliberate
[11:04] <oimon> looking at the command history..
[11:04] <jpds> slay is your friend.
[11:05] <oimon> i prefer userdel
[11:05] <oimon> slay then userdel
[11:06] <czajkowski> oh jpds  :D
[11:10] <daubers> oimon: Or you could redirect the folder he's mucking around with with an alias and make him download /dev/urandom every time :)
[11:11] <oimon> or replace every jpeg with goatse
[11:11] <bigcalm> Anybody good with regex tell me why 'kevin.m.young@bankofamerica.com' is failing against /^[^@]+@[a-zA-Z0-9._-]+\.[a-zA-Z]+$/
[11:16] <gord> bigcalm, ^[^@]+@[a-zA-Z0-9._-]+\.[a-zA-Z]+$ matches fine
[11:17] <gord> bigcalm, make sure you have multiline mode enabled in your parser
[11:17] <screen-x> morning :)
[11:17] <bigcalm> Humm
[11:18] <screen-x> Whats the Status of NFS4? According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto UID/GID permissions don't work without kerberos, tell me this isn't so!
[11:19] <bigcalm> gord: ta. Looks like there is a special char at the end of the email address
[11:22] <livingdaylight> greetings
[11:22] <gord> bigcalm, also your regex won't match all email addresses ¬_¬ you may get angry nerds yelling at you
[11:22] <brobostigon> good morning livingdaylight
[11:23] <livingdaylight> brobostigon, morning morning
[11:24] <livingdaylight> Is everyone aware that Operation Empire State Rebellion is now Engaged?
[11:25] <livingdaylight> agues not! LoL
[11:25] <livingdaylight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk&feature=player_embedded
[11:28] <AlanBell> diplo yes
[11:40] <diplo> Is it worth a good bit of effort to set up ?
[11:40] <diplo> Place i work now have nothing bar a smb share atm
[11:40] <diplo> And stuff everywhere
[11:40] <JGJones> sigh...Google might focus on being blazing fast with their searches but their MX records validation is slower than a snail for Google Apps....
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: negative TTL + normal TTL
[11:41] <livingdaylight> guys, I have issues with skype. no mike. Must I switch away from Pulseaudio and if so how/where?
[11:41] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, the MX records was setup about 2 days ago. Validation started last night
[11:41] <livingdaylight> skype points out that i'm using pulseaudio, under options, whether that implies that there lies the issue i'm not clear
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: it's probably right
[11:42] <livingdaylight> I've asked in #ubuntu and the only feedback i'm getting is that this is an issue with 11.04. I'm not the only one it seems
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> also, pulse is the right choice
[11:43] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, there used to be options in the drop-down menu (in Options) but i see none.
[11:45] <popey> livingdaylight: the fact that skype mentions pulse just means you manage the audio device with pulse mixer
[11:45] <popey> which you get to from the sound menu
[11:45] <popey> skype works for me in 11.04
[11:46] <livingdaylight> popey, by default; is there a how-to to fix this here?
[11:46] <popey> fix what?
[11:46] <livingdaylight> that its not working
[11:46] <popey> go to sound menu, choose mixer, choose input devices, make sure mic isnt muted
[11:46] <popey> tap mic to see VU meter going up and down
[11:47] <livingdaylight> mike is not muted as handset works with Teamspeak
[11:47] <popey> just because it works in teamspeak doesn't mean its not muted in pulse
[11:47] <popey> please go to the sound menu, choose mixer, choose input device, select the mic, make sure it isnt muted
[11:48] <livingdaylight> is that right-click properties?
[11:48] <popey> are you on 11.04?
[11:48] <livingdaylight> yes
[11:48] <popey> click the sound menu
[11:48] <livingdaylight> with the unity bar
[11:48] <livingdaylight> where is this sound menu?
[11:48] <popey> top right of the screen, little speaker icon
[11:49] <bigcalm> Email from a new contact within an existing client "Hi Iain, thank you for worm wellcome."
[11:49] <livingdaylight> yes, and properties, yes?
[11:49] <popey> livingdaylight: should be last icon in the menu
[11:49] <bigcalm> I am easily amused
[11:49] <popey> last item sorry
[11:49] <screen-x> do not try and find the place to right click, instead realise the truth; there is no right click
[11:49] <livingdaylight> popey, last item is properties
[11:50] <popey> ok, good
[11:50] <popey> click that, a windows appears?
[11:50] <livingdaylight> yup,
[11:50] <popey> and there's an input devices tab?
[11:50] <livingdaylight> yup and mic responds
[11:50] <popey> so you see the VU meter go up as you talk?
[11:51] <livingdaylight> that's right
[11:51] <popey> ok, great.
[11:51] <livingdaylight> which is why I can speak on Teamspeak; but why not on skype?
[11:51] <popey> how many input devices are listed in the bottom half
[11:51] <popey> hang on.
[11:52] <livingdaylight> Internal Audio Analogue Stereo
[11:52] <popey> what type of mic is it?
[11:52] <popey> USB or plugged into mic port?
[11:52] <popey> is it a headset or what?
[11:52] <livingdaylight> latter
[11:52] <livingdaylight> y
[11:52] <popey> which?
[11:53] <livingdaylight> plugged into mic port
[11:53] <popey> ok
[11:53] <popey> do you have skype open?
[11:53] <livingdaylight> y
[11:53] <popey> can you open the options dialog in skype?
[11:53] <livingdaylight> yes
[11:54] <livingdaylight> popey, did another test call, and can hear my own voice now
[11:54] <popey> and you have audio devices listed for ringing, and mic and speakers
[11:54] <popey> great
[11:54] <popey> so its working fine?
[11:54] <livingdaylight> I swear it wasn't playing nice earlier though... darn
[11:55] <livingdaylight> quality is still not great, but I'm audible compared to earliers pure fuzzzzz sound
[11:55] <livingdaylight> run me through the ideal settings under options anyway, - please.
[11:56] <popey> if its working you probably have ideal settings
[12:27] <pwuertz> hi! is there a workaround for connecting to icq using empathy? it's not working out of the box at the moment due to a server certificate error..
[12:32] <oimon> pwuertz: don't know if this is relevant? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/676060
[12:34] <pwuertz> oimon, yes exactly
[12:35] <pwuertz> i did it in pidgin, but empathy does not have the option to deactivate ssl
[12:35] <oimon> there's a workaround in the bug desc
[12:37] <davmor2> morning all
[12:38] <pwuertz> mc-tool update: Protocol 'icq' does not have parameter 'use-ssl'
[12:38] <pwuertz> doh
[12:39] <pwuertz> this is the new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/795932
[12:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: ayup big xheese
[12:39] <MooDoo> cheese
[12:41] <davmor2> Moodoo and there was me thinking you were on about something interesting with your xheese
[12:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm not interesting at all, although i hope the weather holds off i want to go take photographs
[12:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: slight conversation change there
[12:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: now you become interesting proving your lack of interest to be a fallacy
[12:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah!
[13:32] <popey> wow.. icq
[13:32] <popey> 11317622 :D
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> 6968589 :)
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: Why you wowing at icq?
[13:33] <oimon> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/14/games_review_duke_nukem_forever/ LOL
[13:33] <gord> icq... still exists? O_O
[13:33] <oimon> in russia apparently
[13:33] <gord> i thought we banished that to the 90's
[13:33] <davmor2> gord: that was about the only thing
[13:34] <dogmatic69> icq + myspace == http://tinyurl.com/6btjken
[13:35] <popey> davmor2: retro
[13:35] <davmor2> popey: never used it
[13:47] <JGJones> oimon the game would have been awesome had it come out MUCH earlier...say...over 10 years ago :)
[13:48] <JGJones> Think of a story - but don't be dirty minded ;-) http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/06/write-the-story.html
[13:52] <ali1234> "Duke Nukem Forever is the sum of all its flaws – a truly terrible game with almost no redeeming features." "40%" what? how can you pan it and then give it 40%?
[13:53] <oimon> ali1234: you're right, from that rhetoric you would think it is 10%
[13:53] <oimon> maybe 40% is the baseline
[13:53] <ali1234> i guess it could be worse, it could be unplayably buggy too
[13:54] <bigcalm> It's jerky on my machine :(
[13:54] <bigcalm> But was fun to watch it being downloaded at 3.6MB/s
[13:54] <oimon> bigcalm: you bought it?
[13:54] <oimon> how much for?
[13:54] <bigcalm> I did
[13:54] <ali1234> sometimes i think video game reviewers grade on a scale the goes from "100% - a really good game" to "0% - being hit in the face with a spade"
[13:55] <bigcalm> I very rarely read any reviews
[13:55] <ali1234> which is to say that in order to get less than about 70% you have to make something that isn't even a computer game, and couldn't even be confused with one
[13:56] <JGJones> Is there a difference between a review and a PR blurb? ;)
[13:56] <JGJones> I guess most gamers just ask friends etc their thoughts - Minecraft being a good example. I was told it was awesome by coupla of friends so I got it based on that.
[13:57] <ali1234> thinking about it, 40% is actually really really harsh, probably harsher than it deserves
[13:58] <oimon> %ages are always relative to the other games of the current day
[14:05] <bigcalm> Zero Punctuation is the only reviewer I listen to
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: extra credits are nice as well
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> but they're not really reviews
[14:18] <davmor2> popey: what did you buy with your massive CPW windfall?
[14:21] <popey> davmor2: nothing yet
[14:21] <popey> co-workers bought ipad covers
[14:21] <davmor2> popey: is that so they can sit and dream of the thing that should be in it?
[14:22] <popey> one of them has no ipad, so yes
[14:22] <davmor2> haha
[14:23] <krimzon2> lol
[14:30]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski just to remind her that he's about :P
[14:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] OpenERP Wordle - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/06/14/openerp-wordle/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=openerp-wordle
[14:31]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[14:31] <czajkowski> I'm here
[14:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: hugs all round czajkowski is on top form :)
[14:32] <popey> Jabber \o/
[14:32] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[14:33] <davmor2> who said the J word?
[14:33] <czajkowski> jibber jabber
[14:33] <bigcalm> Wocky
[14:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: the quote is "Quit your jibber jabber FooooooooooooL!" Mr.T
[14:34] <MattJ> Jibber Jabber \o/
[14:36] <bennie123> hey all
[14:36] <MattJ> Hey
[14:37] <bennie123> anyone know if it is possible to login to a VPN inside one browser only.
[14:37] <bennie123> rather than system wide, via network tools
[14:50] <BigRedS> I think you might be misunderstanding a 'vpn'. By its nature it happens down in the network
[14:50] <BigRedS> what's the actual problem you're looking to solve?
[15:10]  * davmor2 pulls faces behind czajkowski back
[15:10]  * czajkowski pours a bucket of toffee over davmor2 that'll learn you
[15:11] <brobostigon> teach you*
[15:12] <andylockran> Azelphur: I'm doing 14.32 Mh/s as part of bitcoinpool.. reckon that makes economic sense?
[15:12]  * DJones watches as czajkowski gets another bucket of toffee ready for brobostigon 
[15:12] <MooDoo> czajkowski: that the same of that'll teach you?
[15:12]  * MooDoo waits for the fist
[15:12]  * davmor2 eats the toffee
[15:14] <czajkowski> brobostigon: it's an expression!!
[15:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: Face it you're wrong it's not the first time nor the last I'm sure :D
[15:16] <brobostigon> czajkowski: oh, umm,ok.
[15:16] <oimon> a colleague was telling me he has 3000 BTC
[15:17]  * davmor2 readies gob for more teaching
[15:17] <czajkowski> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=That'll%20Learn%20You
[15:18] <ali1234> andylockran: noooooooooooooooo
[15:19] <brobostigon> czajkowski: ok, it interesting, that is one of those thigns inthe english language,where the wording has nothing, to dowith the actual meaning.
[15:21] <MooDoo> sorry i didn't mean to start and arguement, i was only teasing czajkowski
[15:21] <ali1234> andylockran: first, 14mh is rubbish and it's probably costing you more in electricity unless the machine uses less than 10W, second bitcoinpool is rubbish, avoid them
[15:22] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i think its myfault, i think i misunderstood czajkowski's words.
[15:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: tis ok, it should be a given comments between u me and davmor2 should not be taken literally
[15:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ok cool
[15:22] <popey> brobostigon: I dont think you misunderstood, I just didn't think you have heard that particular colloquialism
[15:22] <brobostigon> popey: yes, that makes more sense,
[15:22] <popey> its just a deliberate mistype
[15:23] <popey> like when people say "pass the suggestive biscuits"
[15:23] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:23] <czajkowski> brobostigon: it's not you, it's just the way I speak at times, I type the way I'd actually say it in person
[15:23] <czajkowski> sorry for the confusion
[15:24] <ali1234> i misread "person" for "prison" lol
[15:24] <davmor2> see the trouble these upperty irish lasses bring to the channel, oi czajkowski that's you that is ;)
[15:24] <brobostigon> czajkowski: ah, i see, no worries.
[15:24] <davmor2> ali1234: a bit different
[15:24]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 
[15:25] <czajkowski> I'm having a day of IRC woes, Email and now twitter
[15:25] <czajkowski> so need a pint!
[15:25]  * brobostigon gets one for himself and czajkowski 
[15:25] <davmor2> here a pint of good stuff, otherwise known as water
[15:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: here have a virtual hug instead
[15:26]  * MooDoo wants a pint, and does owe czajkowski a pint.
[15:26] <MooDoo> on my way
[15:26] <MooDoo> lol
[15:30] <czajkowski> :)
[15:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: one day i'll buy you a beer :D
[15:31] <czajkowski> one day we'll even meet
[15:31] <czajkowski> who knows
[15:31] <czajkowski> :)
[15:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oh i guarantee that, i'll make a big effort in 2012 :D
[15:34] <andylockran> ali1234: who to join then :)
[15:34] <ali1234> if you only have 14mh then don't bother
[15:34] <andylockran> ali1234: what's required?
[15:35] <ali1234> a recent ATI card
[15:35] <andylockran> ok
[15:35] <ali1234> 14mh will earn you 27p a day
[15:36] <ali1234> before electricity
[15:36] <andylockran> I have the computer on anyways :)
[15:36] <andylockran> but yeah
[15:36] <ali1234> funnily enough, it uses more electricity when you stress it out
[15:36] <oimon> strange that :P
[15:36] <ali1234> who would have thought?
[15:36] <andylockran> wow.. reallly?
[15:36] <andylockran> (come on.. give me a break :p)
[15:37] <oimon> probably @ £1 per day
[15:37] <ali1234> bit less than that
[15:37] <ali1234> the difference between 5% CPU and 100% CPU is probably about 50p-75p a day
[15:38] <exobuzz> i would think it is less than that
[15:38] <ali1234> if you have loads of hard drives and ram it's going to use more but that's a constant if you leave it on anyway
[15:39] <exobuzz> well depends on how much you are paying i guess but :)
[15:39] <ali1234> 11p/kWh
[15:40] <oimon> 450W pc would used 10kwh per day
[15:40] <ali1234> yeah except that there's no such thing as a 450W PC
[15:40] <andylockran> what's a good pool?
[15:41] <ali1234> andylockran: eligius or btcguild
[15:41] <oimon> System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 503W
[15:41] <oimon> http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-review/7
[15:41] <ali1234> yeah well ... nvidia sucks then
[15:41] <oimon> have you got a wattmeter connected?
[15:41] <ali1234> i have a 5870 running maxed out and overclocked and it uses 250W for the whole machine
[15:42] <ali1234> yes, i have a meter
[15:42] <hamitron> I estimated mine uses 450W
[15:42] <exobuzz> i have onboard gfx :)
[15:43] <ali1234> when i quit the miner power usage drops to 120W
[15:43] <hamitron> so sounds about right going by ali1234 's figure
[15:43] <MooDoo> here you go czajkowski - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ml_5DrPnbks/SxQRmEOeBjI/AAAAAAAADpU/dJs2y2wMkBM/s1600/GuinnessPint.JPG
[15:44] <oimon> ATI 6970: System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 340W
[15:44] <hamitron> 1 day till difficulty increases \o/
[15:45] <ali1234> oimon: i'm also running the most barebones motherboard ever
[15:45] <ali1234> lots of fans though
[15:45] <ali1234> but they only use a couple of watts each
[15:46]  * hamitron just went to look at the power of his fans, then realised it is hard to read the label while they spin :/
[15:46] <BigRedS> just poke your finger in and they'll stop
[15:46] <ali1234> fan on my desk says 12V 0.43A
[15:46] <hamitron> I'm not messing with it
[15:46] <BigRedS> haha
[15:46] <hamitron> it all works atm
[15:46] <hamitron> ;/
[15:47] <ali1234> PWM is gonna make them use less too
[15:47] <ali1234> i would assume anyway
[15:47] <ali1234> speaking of electronics
[15:48] <ali1234> i spent the last two days testing all the digital logic simulators available for ubuntu
[15:48] <ali1234> and they all suck
[15:48] <ali1234> seriously
[15:48] <hamitron> yep
[15:48] <hamitron> :/
[15:48] <ali1234> the only one that is even half way usable is incredibly buggy and crashes all the time
[15:48] <ali1234> and it got deleted from the repos cos it uses kde3
[15:49] <ali1234> they are all either impossible to understand or so buggy that they crash before you're done entering the schematic
[15:49]  * exobuzz installed kubuntu in virtualbox. looking to switch back to kde
[15:50] <hamitron> have you tried Altera Quartus II?
[15:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: is that just before or after the End Of The World in 2012?
[15:50] <ali1234> hamitron:  is that for their CPLD/FPGA?
[15:50] <hamitron> yeh
[15:50] <ali1234> i've not tried it
[15:50] <ali1234> i need something with a simulator though
[15:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: no i'm going to make a special effort, i mean i need a tour of canonical towers so i'll have to make a pub night of it with you too
[15:51] <ali1234> i want to program a xilinx cpld eventually and it has a designer but not a simulator afaict
[15:51] <hamitron> ali1234: I thought Quartus did simulate it tbh
[15:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: HAHA!
[15:51] <hamitron> but not tried it
[15:51] <ali1234> i will dl it and have a look
[15:51] <ali1234> oh joy 3.2GB
[15:51] <hamitron> haha
[15:52] <hamitron> damn
[15:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok ok i'll settle for a pub night, i do owe czajkowski a pint
[15:52] <ali1234> well, the xilinx one was 4.1GB
[15:52] <hamitron> software has grown these days :/
[15:52] <ali1234> modelsim is a 600mb addon
[15:53] <ali1234> need to login............ :(
[15:53] <hamitron> isn't there a good commandline only simulator available?
[15:54] <ali1234> command line only?
[15:54] <hamitron> using VHDL and Verilog
[15:54] <andylockran> Ok.. I've got 478 MHash/s now
[15:54] <ali1234> wow
[15:54] <hamitron> on what?
[15:54] <hamitron> :|
[15:55] <andylockran> 8 core server with cpu mining
[15:55] <ali1234> thing is, i don't want to learn VHDL
[15:55] <hamitron> andylockran: what cpu?
[15:55] <hamitron> :-o
[15:56]  * popey looks at the 150-odd 12-core boxen here
[15:56] <davmor2> hamitron: dosbox :D
[15:56] <ali1234> no CPU can get 478mh not even if it has 8 cores
[15:56] <ali1234> 47.8mh is a stretch for cpuminer
[15:56] <hamitron> I get 1.6mh/s
[15:56] <hamitron> :/
[15:57] <ali1234> quad core 3.2ghz phenom gets about 12
[15:57]  * BigRedS ponders capitalisation pedantry :)
[16:00] <andylockran> yes
[16:00] <andylockran> I am a retard :)
[16:05] <andylockran> misreading output
[16:11] <andylockran> maybe this bitcoin stuff isn't for me :)
[16:11] <andylockran> should just buy £100 worth and sell them in a bit.
[16:11] <andylockran> rather than try generating them
[16:11] <BigRedS> as long as they keep going upwards in value
[16:12] <BigRedS> there's some horrific growth ATM, surely they're in for a crash in value?
[16:12] <hamitron> andylockran: just wanna point out they crashed from $34 to $14 inside 48 hours 4 days ago
[16:13] <andylockran> BigRedS: Only if there's polibical change.
[16:13] <hamitron> ;)
[16:13] <BigRedS> polibical?
[16:13] <BigRedS> political?
[16:13] <BigRedS> either way, why? Surely all it takes is lots of people wanting to sell?
[16:13] <BigRedS> as per any other currency
[16:13] <hamitron> yep
[16:13] <BigRedS> or any other thing
[16:13] <hamitron> or government restrictions
[16:14] <hamitron> if there is so much as a sniff of restrictions been put on it, everyone will want to sell, and the price will crash
[16:15] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[16:25] <oimon> $34 per BTC?
[16:25] <hamitron> yep
[16:25] <popey> it's about 20USD now
[16:25] <oimon> hmm..so 3000 BTC would be worth selling
[16:25] <hamitron> it was maybe a little higher at one point
[16:26] <oimon> i'm sure only speculators and jounralists are buying though
[16:26]  * hamitron bought 95 BTC on Saturday
[16:26] <hamitron> ;)
[16:26] <hamitron> and sold on Sunday
[16:26] <oimon> mug :P
[16:26] <hamitron> haha
[16:27] <hamitron> I paid 17.50 and got 22.00
[16:27] <oimon> gambling's a mugs game
[16:27] <hamitron> I was intending to keep them longer, then realised I couldn't handle the "excitement"
[16:27] <hamitron> ;)
[16:28] <hamitron> never again, just mining them now and selling
[16:29] <oimon> hmm software-center doesn't like my correct password
[16:29] <hamitron> :/
[16:30] <popey> hamitron: how did you buy them? an exchange?
[16:30] <hamitron> yeh
[16:30] <popey> which one out of interest?
[16:30] <hamitron> Mt. Gox
[16:30] <popey> I need to get rid of my BTC some time
[16:31] <hamitron> they charge 0.65% for converting, then 2% to withdraw in euro
[16:31] <hamitron> iirc
[16:31] <popey> I'll probably hold on a while
[16:31] <oimon> how many do u have?
[16:32] <popey> 52
[16:32] <hamitron> difficulty increases to 1,000,000 at a guess, tomorrow
[16:32] <hamitron> :)
[16:33] <hamitron> that is going to start slowing down miners, even with decent hardware
[16:33] <popey> i think they cost me about 70 quid total
[16:33] <popey> yeah
[16:33] <oimon> in leccy costs?
[16:33] <popey> that and I bought some ages ago
[16:33]  * hamitron will get less than 1 BTC per day :(
[16:34] <czajkowski> what is BTC?
[16:34] <popey> Bitcoin
[16:35] <oimon> speculation in imaginary concept for profit at the expense of latecomers
[16:35] <oimon> :D
[16:35] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[16:35] <czajkowski> thanks
[16:36] <hamitron> I'm hoping to the profit stays there, till my new comp is bought
[16:36] <hamitron> :)
[16:36] <hamitron> all i ask ;/
[16:50] <andylockran> here's hoping
[18:16] <peejay1977> Hey all, dumb question, is Unity going to made compulsory in future releases and with the option of the Ubuntu Classic removed? Also I have installed a new version of a program but it runs from a different location, I have changed the path under the Main Menu app but it hasn't affected the Unity menu, how do I change this as I keep running the old version?
[18:49] <BigRedS> yeah, 11.10 wont have the option of a gnome 2 log on
[18:50] <ali1234> heh, main menu still hasn't been fixed then?
[18:50] <BigRedS> that doesn't soudn necessarily broken
[18:50] <BigRedS> just a non-obvious way of changing the path
[18:50] <ali1234> it isn't broken
[18:50] <ali1234> it's by design
[18:50] <ali1234> the "main menu" tool doesn't apply to unity
[18:51] <BigRedS> ohhh
[18:51] <ali1234> unity just does whatever it wants and there is no way to configure it
[18:51] <ali1234> but main menu is still installed by default for some reason, even though it does nothing except confuse people
[18:51] <gord> its installed for the classic desktop
[18:51] <ali1234> if you use the dash in exactly the way it is intended to be used you will hit this bug
[18:52] <ali1234> that is, you want to edit the menus, so you type "menu" in the dash, and open the first thing that comes up
[18:53] <ali1234> the bug is that the dash should pop up a message that says "sorry, you can't edit the menus on ubuntu any more"
[18:53] <ali1234> instead of showing the menu editor from gnome 2
[18:55] <jacobw> → kde :)
[18:56] <BigRedS> hah
[18:58] <BigRedS> Is there a way to have twitter not replace my url with a 'shortened' one?
[19:04] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:04]  * AlanBell sits down with cold beer
[19:04] <BigRedS> Morning!
[19:04]  * BigRedS is envious
[19:05] <jacobw> we seem to have a salutation-off-by-one error :p
[19:05] <BigRedS> haha
[19:05] <BigRedS> I standardised on 'morning' a while a go
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: yeah, we did that IRL with a few friends as well
[19:08] <AlanBell> anyone in Leicester?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: confuses people to no end :)
[19:08] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: i've been doing it long enough that people're now confused when I say 'afternoon' :)
[19:09] <jacobw> AlanBell: they've perished at the hands of zombie hoard
[19:09] <BigRedS> You hoard zombies?
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> hoary zombies?
[19:10] <jacobw> turns out the city council didn't have any plans to deal with zombies :p
[19:10] <jacobw> of i course zombies, don't you?
[19:10] <AlanBell> jacobw: yeah, they need to improve their planning
[19:10] <AlanBell> I for one welcome our new zombie overlords
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Bah, if you see zombies, just kill their parents
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> init should take care of the rest.
[19:15] <BigRedS> haha
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> (unless they're blocking on a read or something)
[19:17] <BigRedS> I did enjoy being called up while at home over christmas and getting to say just-within-earshot of a bunch of family "well, are all the children dead?.. kill them, then. Check the parents are dead, too. And make sure they're actually dead"
[19:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: tell filace to annoy you from me too :D
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> *awkward looks all around*
[19:18] <BigRedS> hah, yeah. I genuinely wasn't aware they could hear, which probably made it a bit worse...
[19:19] <jacobw> hehe
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: did you also make stabbing movements with your free hand while saying it?
[19:20] <BigRedS> haha! If only!
[19:23] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/timc
[19:24] <jacobw> 100% awesome
[19:24] <BigRedS> Ah. I'm after some new podcasts
[19:24]  * hamitron has never used a podcast
[19:24] <jacobw> you should also check out radiolab.org in that case BigRedS
[19:24] <BigRedS> jacobw: oooh, cheers!
[19:25] <jacobw> you too hamitron, especially you *brow beats*
[19:25] <BigRedS> hamitron: I didn't get them at all until I realised they're just the offspring of an mp3 and an rss generator
[19:25] <hamitron> the name puts me off
[19:25] <hamitron> ;)
[19:25] <hamitron> and since I've done without so long because of that, just never missed what I've never used
[19:26] <hamitron> but I will
[19:26] <hamitron> :D
[19:26] <jacobw> that's almost luddite
[19:26] <BigRedS> hamitron: yeah, that's almost exactly what I did
[19:26] <BigRedS> I've just found that I prefer spoken word on long rides to music
[19:27] <BigRedS> but I ride at a rate greater than the uupc is generated
[19:27] <hamitron> I read more :/
[19:27] <dutchie> hamitron: i suspect that is not advised while driving
[19:27] <hamitron> read tech stuff, and listen to streaming radio
[19:27] <hamitron> :D
[19:27] <BigRedS> Ah, it's dangerous to do that on the bike :)
[19:27] <hamitron> yeh, and my bike has no stereo
[19:27] <hamitron> :/
[19:28] <BigRedS> Ah, I have an ipod
[19:28] <hamitron> on a bike?
[19:28] <jacobw> i've listened to podcasts whilst driving, its not different to listening to the radio
[19:28] <BigRedS> motorbike, yeah
[19:28] <BigRedS> well, and bicycle. But in that case it's music
[19:28] <hamitron> I sometimes have my phone giving directions, about it
[19:28] <BigRedS> Oh! Half of R4 is available in podcasted form!
[19:29] <BigRedS> I was just pondering bodging something together with get-iplayer
[19:29] <jacobw> this is true
[19:29] <jacobw> i go through podcasts too fast
[19:30] <hamitron> so why not just use mp3?
[19:30] <BigRedS> it is mp3
[19:30] <BigRedS> the podcast bit is just convenience
[19:31] <BigRedS> having an rss feed telling you when new ones are available, and giving you(r device) a link through which to get it
[19:31] <hamitron> my devices only support mp3
[19:31] <hamitron> haha
[19:31] <dutchie> and including a nice episode description
[19:31] <hamitron> I can take the mp3 out?
[19:31] <BigRedS> well, it might be ogg or whatever, too. But it's just an audio file, and an rss feed saying where it is
[19:31] <BigRedS> yeah
[19:32] <BigRedS> you could parse the rss feed yourself and do what you like with the .mp3 or .ogg or whatever
[19:32] <jacobw> well all you 'get' is the audio file
[19:32] <hamitron> parsing some rss feed is "convenient"? ;/
[19:33] <hamitron> well, will give it a go
[19:33] <BigRedS> hamitron: no. pointing rhythmbox at an rss feed is convenient
[19:33] <BigRedS> moreso than remembering when there's a new one and going and downloading it and listening to it
[19:34] <BigRedS> well, arguably. I find it more convenient :)
[19:38] <jacobw> it is convient, there's no argument about it.
[19:38] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh no he needs no encouragement
[19:38] <BigRedS> I'm arguing with rhythmbox as I type :)
[19:38]  * davmor2 cheers for filace picking on czajkowski well just cause really
[19:39] <czajkowski> >:(
[19:39] <czajkowski> oi
[19:39] <davmor2> czajkowski: you love it or he wouldn't do it :P
[19:39] <czajkowski> eh no he wont do it again :)
[19:39] <czajkowski> well he will but I'll glare some more
[19:41] <davmor2> BigRedS: Agreed aggregation of podcasts is far easier
[19:41] <BigRedS> ah yeah, that'd work
[19:41] <BigRedS> I must stop writing scripts *before* checking there's not already a website doing it
[19:42] <jacobw> hehe
[19:43] <davmor2> BigRedS: Depends on if your script does it better
[19:43] <BigRedS> It probably wont :)
[19:43] <BigRedS> they rarely do...
[19:43] <jacobw> its more fun that way :p
[19:43] <BigRedS> but, still, it'd be better to start with an idea of what I dislike beforehand
[20:04] <jacobw> i'm eating a kebab with a knife and fork
[20:04] <jacobw> i think i might be 'posh' :s
[20:05] <BigRedS> haha
[20:05] <BigRedS> I think the kebab precludes that :)
[20:05] <jacobw> good point
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> However, if your monocle falls into the kebab that's an exception ;)
[20:06] <jacobw> lol
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> "Ooh I got kebab sauce all over my waistcoat"
[20:08] <brobostigon> lol
[20:13] <daubers> Evening
[20:14] <jacobw> o/ daubers
[20:37]  * AlanBell points to a gathering of sorts in #ubuntu-gaming
[20:37] <BigRedS> zombies again?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> BRAAAINS
[20:37] <jacobw> all we wanna do is eat your brains
[20:38] <jacobw> ++jonathoncoulton
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Vegetarian zombies - GRAAAINS
[20:38] <jacobw> hehe
[21:34] <jane__> #processing
[21:39] <jacobw> jane__: /join #processing
[22:00] <livingdaylight> Hi, do lots of people install Ubuntu on their macbooks or prefer to stick to apple's osx?
[22:01] <Azelphur> does anyone know if USB 2 devices can plug into USB 3 sockets?
[22:02] <JGJones> livingdaylight, I've got Ubuntu on a Macbook.
[22:02] <livingdaylight> Azelphur, http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100608025141AAs6Psj
[22:02] <livingdaylight> JGJones, interesting
[22:03] <Azelphur> livingdaylight: not what I asked, but still interesting
[22:03] <JGJones> livingdaylight, it was the first thing I did with it when I got it too.
[22:03] <livingdaylight> JGJones, I'm thinking of getting a core2duo as their little cheaper now just for the hardware and putting Ubuntu on it; or if hd is big enough dual-booting?
[22:03] <JGJones> The macbook I got is a core duo.
[22:03] <livingdaylight> Azelphur, sorry, I mmisunderstood then
[22:03] <Azelphur> :p
[22:04] <JGJones> A tad old - and HDD is small, just a 60GB so it's just Ubuntu on it.
[22:04] <Azelphur> usb 2 devices into usb 3 sockets, not usb 3 devices in usb 2 sockets
[22:04] <livingdaylight> the core duos are slower than the core2duo, yes? but still run 11.04 fine?
[22:04] <livingdaylight> yes
[22:04] <JGJones> livingdaylight, the cpu's are slower, but you don't notice it day to day anyway.
[22:05] <JGJones> Unity is supririsingly not that demanding on hardware - I have it running on a Celeron laptop with about 700Mb and it's fine.
[22:05] <livingdaylight> I've had rotten luck with laptops lately. Bought an HP dm4 on ebay and it arrived broken
[22:05] <JGJones> Intel graphics for both so it's Unity with compiz rather than Unity-2D
[22:05] <JGJones> livingdaylight, ha...I was getting ready to sell my Sony VAIO SZ71 laptop - it's a decent laptop, runs Ubuntu very well.
[22:05] <livingdaylight> so, thinking of getting some old-ish mac hardware. But even the old macs are £400+ ! THey sure hold their value
[22:06] <JGJones> Set it up on ebay...and then checked laptop to check on size of HDD...and I got a SMART message telling me it's about to die.
[22:06] <JGJones> bugger.
[22:06] <JGJones> bloody great timing.
[22:06] <livingdaylight> JGJones, what do you want for it? :p
[22:06] <livingdaylight> I@ve gone off Sony's big time though
[22:07] <JGJones> livingdaylight, it's a Sony VAIO SZ71 with 2GB, about to die 120GB HDD, dual graphics (Intel and nvidia) and core2duo...think the speed is 2.2GHz.
[22:07] <livingdaylight> screen size?
[22:07] <JGJones> Runs Ubuntu perfectly fine, everything out of box - however do need PPA for webcam driver.
[22:07] <JGJones> it's a 12" 1280x800 screen.
[22:08] <JGJones> it does comes with a OEM licence for Windows Vista if you fancy that (no CD's)
[22:08] <livingdaylight> I orderd their new c series 14" and after 2 weeks it still hadn't arrived! So, refunded it
[22:08] <livingdaylight> how much?
[22:08] <JGJones> livingdaylight, if you're interested let me know and I can give you the full specification
[22:09] <JGJones> livingdaylight, I have no idea what the value of the laptop is - I was going to look on ebay for similar laptops to get idea of price! :)
[22:09] <livingdaylight> ok
[22:10] <livingdaylight> if its a bargain, I could be interested
[22:10] <livingdaylight> I'll have a look at what they look like
[22:10] <livingdaylight> http://goo.gl/QtGyt something like that?
[22:12] <JGJones> Not quite...mine does have the black lid cover, but with the aluminum palm rest - I'll send photos.
[22:34] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:46] <jacobw> night brobostigon
[22:52] <filo1234> Hi guys
[22:54] <jacobw> hi
[22:54]  * jacobw → bed
[22:55] <filo1234> someone use trickle for bandwidth? and work fine with firefox downloads? I tried with trickle -d 100KB wget something and work but with firefox it doesn't, do you have some clue?
[22:55] <filo1234> or point me to another wat or tool for band limit
[22:56] <filo1234> way*
[23:03] <michelle_> Hi, anyone know a channel for Wine support please?
[23:03] <Azelphur> michelle_: #winehq
[23:04] <michelle_> Many thanks!