| rick_h_ | snap-l jcastro so you guys all set for tomorrow ride wise? | 01:39 |
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| rick_h_ | don't need me to run over? | 01:39 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Nah, I'm cool | 01:40 |
| snap-l | JoDee isn't going to class tomorrow, so I have a cara | 01:40 |
| snap-l | and jcastro is getting a ride from me | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | ok, cool | 01:41 |
| jjesse | hey kdis :) | 01:41 |
| jjesse | kids :) | 01:41 |
| snap-l | Thanks for checking, though | 01:41 |
| greg-g | jjesse: heya there! | 01:43 |
| jjesse | whats up greg-g | 01:44 |
| greg-g | not much, just working on my slides for tomorrow night's MUG meeting | 01:46 |
| jjesse | cool | 01:47 |
| jjesse | am i still online? | 02:09 |
| greg-g | appear to be | 02:12 |
| greg-g | not anymore | 02:22 |
| snap-l | jjessse: You are now offline. ;) | 02:23 |
| greg-g | hey, everyone who is going should say so here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/974/detail/ :) | 02:26 |
| greg-g | smoser: widox Blazeix _stink_ jcastro Wolfger ^^ | 02:29 |
| jcastro | ON IT | 02:33 |
| jcastro | snap-l: good news craig bologna | 02:34 |
| jcastro | snap-l: I have a car, I can drive tomorrow if you want | 02:34 |
| slestak_netbook | hola guys. got a tip there was a pretty avid pylons user lurking | 02:44 |
| slestak_netbook | been beating my head against the wall with a nosetest for an http post | 02:44 |
| rick_h_ | heh, possibly | 02:44 |
| rick_h_ | what's up? | 02:44 |
| brousch1 | rick_h_ is the bizomb | 02:45 |
| slestak_netbook | helping out w rhodecode, a foss hgweb replacement | 02:46 |
| slestak_netbook | quashing a bug in the ldap auth module | 02:46 |
| slestak_netbook | while i was there, thought i would fill in some unittest stubs | 02:46 |
| slestak_netbook | i am not a webdev, but i am trying to pitch in | 02:47 |
| rick_h_ | gotcha | 02:47 |
| slestak_netbook | this is pylons 1.0, using webhelpers forms | 02:47 |
| slestak_netbook | sec, cat | 02:47 |
| slestak_netbook | im getting an http 200 when i call self.app.post | 02:48 |
| slestak_netbook | ive checked routes and controller mapping pretty closely | 02:48 |
| rick_h_ | ok, and you're expecting a 302 or something? | 02:48 |
| slestak_netbook | that is a redirect? | 02:49 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 02:49 |
| slestak_netbook | im expecting the db to be updated,. but my dict of formdata is not being commited to the spqlite db | 02:49 |
| slestak_netbook | using sa | 02:49 |
| rick_h_ | so things to check, if they're doing a redirect make sure you're getting the 302 | 02:50 |
| rick_h_ | if not, make sure they're not checking for a submit button or something in the POST values | 02:50 |
| slestak_netbook | i know im getting a 200 | 02:50 |
| rick_h_ | and you're note actually triggering the post | 02:50 |
| rick_h_ | right, but are they redirecting? | 02:50 |
| slestak_netbook | lemme see | 02:50 |
| rick_h_ | most forms do, so might be a sign there's something missing in the step | 02:50 |
| slestak_netbook | https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode | 02:51 |
| rick_h_ | k, but where am I looking ? | 02:51 |
| slestak_netbook | im looking, i didint know if you wanted it | 02:52 |
| slestak_netbook | yes, they are redirecting in the controller to ldap_home | 02:53 |
| rick_h_ | file/line number? | 02:53 |
| rick_h_ | controllers/? | 02:53 |
| slestak_netbook | https://bitbucket.org/https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.pyslestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.py | 02:54 |
| slestak_netbook | that doesnt look right | 02:54 |
| slestak_netbook | admin/ldap_settings | 02:54 |
| slestak_netbook | im sry, i need to put kgardner to bed. shes awaiting with book in hand | 02:55 |
| rick_h_ | k | 02:55 |
| rick_h_ | for when you get back: | 02:56 |
| rick_h_ | from looking at this I'd say that you're getting an error of one sort of another | 02:56 |
| rick_h_ | all of them are set to 'flash' so you should see them in the html of the response | 02:56 |
| rick_h_ | so I'd log.debug(str(response) form your untit test | 02:57 |
| rick_h_ | and see what's coming back at you | 02:57 |
| slestak_netbook | you can use the logger in nosetests too? wasnt sure abt that | 02:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, just make sure to tell it to output log info | 02:57 |
| slestak_netbook | yeah, with -s | 02:58 |
| slestak_netbook | back in a bit | 02:58 |
| rick_h_ | nosetests --with-id -v -s -x --with-pylons test_psql.ini qmail_app/tests | 02:58 |
| rick_h_ | is my usual nosetest command | 02:58 |
| snap-l | jcastro: I have a car as well | 03:15 |
| snap-l | I can still pick you up if you want | 03:15 |
| jcastro | ok | 03:26 |
| slestak_netbook | gonna add thaqt debug | 03:28 |
| rick_h_ | slestak_netbook: you following what I mean? | 03:28 |
| slestak_netbook | i did some looking around github and bb and not a lot of projects fill in their testing | 03:28 |
| slestak_netbook | yeah, i think so. | 03:29 |
| rick_h_ | heh, yea :( | 03:29 |
| rick_h_ | but we all love people that add to testing :) | 03:29 |
| slestak_netbook | i see some tests that are setting the status in the post call | 03:30 |
| rick_h_ | they do status=302? | 03:30 |
| slestak_netbook | https://bitbucket.org/russellballestrini/pylowiki/src/ab49079b3da4/pylowiki/tests/functional/test_login.py | 03:30 |
| slestak_netbook | yes | 03:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that'll blow up if anytrhing but a 302 comes back | 03:30 |
| slestak_netbook | he doesnt have any asserts in there so i think its a wip | 03:31 |
| rick_h_ | it's an auto assert | 03:31 |
| rick_h_ | bonus for calling the request | 03:31 |
| rick_h_ | I use that all the time | 03:31 |
| rick_h_ | http://pythonpaste.org/webtest/#what-is-tested-by-default | 03:32 |
| rick_h_ | man, this node.js thing is just too fast. Poor server goes boom | 03:33 |
| slestak_netbook | i need to find the hadle to log. not available in my test harness as log.debug | 03:35 |
| rick_h_ | you can also just print it | 03:35 |
| rick_h_ | have to find the output | 03:36 |
| slestak_netbook | you find pylons old schoolers resistant to port to pyramid? | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | oh, log only shows with a failing test | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | so make sure you assert False | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not sure, work people are "ugh, learning another system" | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | but it's not like this is java | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | I don't know how adoption overall is going | 03:36 |
| slestak_netbook | this fellow i am helping i think has no desire to port | 03:37 |
| slestak_netbook | i think its trying to make me log in again | 03:41 |
| rick_h_ | k, that might be | 03:42 |
| rick_h_ | so you need to send auth or go through the login page first | 03:42 |
| slestak_netbook | i have a helper to login, i think i am just looking at the login link in the response | 03:43 |
| rick_h_ | ah, ok | 03:43 |
| slestak_netbook | im looking at the ldap settings form | 03:43 |
| slestak_netbook | i can see the listboxes | 03:44 |
| rick_h_ | k, look for a div/something with "flash" | 03:44 |
| slestak_netbook | i see that, there is no message to flash | 03:45 |
| slestak_netbook | the post was not valid, should not have the 200, so i know sth fouled up | 03:45 |
| slestak_netbook | thx for the assist. im going to look at this a bit more and get some sleep | 03:49 |
| rick_h_ | k, let me know if you find it | 03:50 |
| slestak_netbook | rick_h_: got it | 04:36 |
| slestak_netbook | i wasnt comleting enough of my form toget past validation | 04:36 |
| slestak_netbook | once i completely filled in param, it worked | 04:37 |
| brousch | rick_h_: did you sort our slestak last night? | 12:56 |
| brousch | sort out | 12:56 |
| greg-g | brousch: it looks like from the scroll back that rick_h_ helped and then slestak got it working in the end | 13:09 |
| brousch | cool | 13:11 |
| brousch | had some more pain trying to use unity last night | 13:12 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, think he got it | 13:13 |
| rick_h_ | and fun on the unity pain | 13:13 |
| brousch | aptana pydev (eclipse) requires sun-java6. there is no sun-java6 in ubuntu any more. there's a ppa, but apparently it doesn't have 64 bit sun-java6. so it seemed to work with open-jdk, except only the Window menu shows up | 13:14 |
| rick_h_ | my boss tried to install/get it and gets a blank screen on startup | 13:14 |
| rick_h_ | he's a bit cranky | 13:14 |
| rick_h_ | hah, so the solution is to not use aptana, come home to vim! :) | 13:15 |
| brousch | i had blank screens in 2 cases: nvidia-96 drivers (still not available) and a monitor that's not strictly supported | 13:15 |
| rick_h_ | we haven't gotten you switched yet? Did you watch my screencasts? | 13:15 |
| brousch | i need eclipse for android if nothing else | 13:15 |
| brousch | i am memorizing vim shortcuts at the rate of 1/month ;) | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | move up to 1/wk | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | that's the trick | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | after a while you get your set | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | I find different people have slightly different sets | 13:16 |
| brousch | i learn one when something is annoying to do, like delete a very long line | 13:17 |
| brousch | or go to the bottom of a file | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | good ones I use a ton | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | dtX is another good know to have on hand | 13:18 |
| brousch | death trap? | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | dt[somechar] | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | delete up until you hit this character | 13:19 |
| greg-g | huh, neat | 13:19 |
| brousch | ah, nice | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | df[char] will include that character i the deletion | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | I tend to use dt though, have to always think about the f version | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, very useful in changeing a value in a csv, email addresses, things with stop characters like @,/ and such | 13:21 |
| brousch | how would i go the middle part of a long line? | 13:22 |
| brousch | gt? | 13:22 |
| rick_h_ | f[somechar] | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | I tend to use that | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | pick a character in the middle and aim for it | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | ; will repeat the last f command | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | so in a csv, I might do f, and then hit ;;; until I get to the right field | 13:23 |
| brousch | is that a colon or semi-colon? my coffee-deprived eyes cannot tell | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | semi | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | don't like to have to use modifier keys, needs more keystrokes | 13:24 |
| brousch | yeah | 13:25 |
| brousch | and i'm a bad typist | 13:25 |
| snap-l | brousch: What's the link to your keyboard shotcut guide for UNity? | 13:25 |
| brousch | it was in one of jcastro's askubuntu threads | 13:26 |
| snap-l | Right, but you coallated it. | 13:26 |
| brousch | http://clusterbleep.net/files/Ubuntu_11.04_Unity_Cheat_Sheet.pdf | 13:27 |
| snap-l | Thank you. :) | 13:27 |
| brousch | np | 13:27 |
| brousch | the askubuntu threads are in the footer of that | 13:27 |
| brousch | i like the desktop wallpaper version someone made | 13:28 |
| brousch | i can switch to an empty workspace and check it quickly | 13:28 |
| snap-l | Got a link to that as well? :) | 13:29 |
| * snap-l is cribbing resources together. ;P) | 13:29 | |
| rick_h_ | I smell MUG mtf reuse | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | /mtf/mtg | 13:29 |
| snap-l | *whistles* | 13:29 |
| snap-l | I'm totally giving Ben credit | 13:29 |
| brousch | http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | it's all good, it's in the loco | 13:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: exactly. :) | 13:30 |
| brousch | jcastro compiled the commands. these are just different versions of his work | 13:30 |
| brousch | so make sure you give him credit ;) | 13:32 |
| snap-l | He'll be there, so he can take credit if he wants. ;) | 13:33 |
| Wolfger | dt should be easy to remember... "delete to". But that makes me want to think of df as "delete from", and it sounds like that's not what it does. :\ | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | yea, df doesn't click with me like dt does | 13:34 |
| _stink_ | i just think 'delete find' | 13:34 |
| _stink_ | i use them about the same amount | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I mean it's kind of amazing how personal vim is | 13:35 |
| _stink_ | but it's funny how different folks settle into different uses | 13:35 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 13:35 |
| _stink_ | that | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | there's a common base, but people do settle into their own uses | 13:35 |
| brousch | on the bright side, i do have my 12 wokspaces on unity now | 13:46 |
| brousch | and my system monitor | 13:46 |
| brousch | hm, i can boot into classic mode to see if the aptana menu issue is due to unity or openjdk | 13:47 |
| greg-g | 12?! | 14:00 |
| greg-g | though, I guess I do also, since I have 6 workspaces, but 2 monitors | 14:05 |
| brousch | i rarely use more than 6, but once in a while i use 10 | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | I like having the limits. Once in a while I run out of space | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | but usually it's a sign to put something down/away | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | "I'll just leave this open and jump back to it in a min...well it's really going to be a while" | 14:07 |
| brousch | yeah, mine fill up with collections of chrome tabs for a specific meeting | 14:07 |
| jcastro | snap-l: just google for "power user guide unity" | 14:22 |
| rick_h_ | ok, ppa talk written. Ugh, feels short | 14:22 |
| brousch | speak slowly | 14:23 |
| rick_h_ | hah, well I have one slide that's "Story Time" | 14:23 |
| rick_h_ | so will have to really go on during taht | 14:23 |
| brousch | are mug meetings recorded? | 14:24 |
| * rick_h_ skips that one | 14:25 | |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, I found that. | 14:25 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Just wanted to illuminate the hard work of Mr. West-side, brousch | 14:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: depends | 14:27 |
| jcastro | WEST SIDE! | 14:27 |
| jcastro | I like Grand Rapids, I would live there | 14:27 |
| snap-l | gib tries to record them / broadcast them | 14:27 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, I like GR | 14:27 |
| snap-l | save for the conservatives. ;) | 14:27 |
| brousch | apparently we have jobs here, too | 14:27 |
| snap-l | and American Pie | 14:27 |
| snap-l | That must be a current release over there. | 14:28 |
| snap-l | You're gonna love Kiss. | 14:28 |
| snap-l | ;) | 14:28 |
| brousch | we just started playing this new band on the radio, Rush i think it's called :P | 14:28 |
| brousch | i suspect it's oriented to frat boys and sorority girls | 14:29 |
| snap-l | I don't know if you've been at a Rush concert, but it is decidedly not sorority girls who attend. | 14:30 |
| snap-l | There's two types of women at Rush concerts: True fans, and "my SO dragged me here" | 14:31 |
| snap-l | The band has actually asked folks that if they're going to drag their non-Rush-loving partners to the show, to please not sit in the front row | 14:31 |
| brousch | so, old women and old wives? | 14:31 |
| snap-l | nothing in the world is more of a downer during a show than a cross-armed, stern looking female in the front row | 14:32 |
| brousch | it seems silly to drag someone to an expensive concert if they don't want to go | 14:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: I wouldn't go there if I were you. | 14:32 |
| snap-l | JoDee's a huge Rush fan too. :) | 14:32 |
| snap-l | This system that I'm testing requires me to use a different e-mail address (can't share e-mail addresses between accounts) | 14:37 |
| snap-l | I have 28 lines in my /etc/postfix/virtual file. | 14:37 |
| rick_h_ | man, I could of sworn there was a pure python message queue thing when I checked out queues a while ago | 14:40 |
| rick_h_ | can't find it for the life of me now | 14:40 |
| brousch | pymq? | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | no, looks like I'm thinking of beanstalkd which isn't python, just works with it | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | don't see anything pure python/memory | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | pymq requires mysql | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, but it is in the ubuntu repo so maybe I'll try it out again | 14:44 |
| rick_h_ | oh yummy, node.js client | 14:46 |
| jrwren | ya'll talk too much :p | 14:49 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Shush | 14:49 |
| Wolfger | I believe the phrase you are looking for is "cork it, jrwren" | 14:50 |
| jrwren | *gasp* | 14:51 |
| jcastro | SNAP-L | 15:17 |
| jcastro | http://outloud.fm/Metalheads | 15:17 |
| jcastro | JOIN ME | 15:17 |
| jcastro | n0p: you too | 15:17 |
| snap-l | I'm sorry, but they only have sign-up via twitter or Facebook | 15:27 |
| snap-l | and I'm not giving my twitter creds to any application | 15:27 |
| snap-l | Thanks, though. :) | 15:28 |
| brousch | freetard! | 15:28 |
| snap-l | Pragmatic | 15:28 |
| Wolfger | secure | 15:28 |
| snap-l | I don't want some application to suddenly spam people about some service I signed up for 2 yars ago | 15:28 |
| snap-l | yars = pirate years. | 15:29 |
| brousch | https://twitter.com/settings/applications | 15:30 |
| brousch | revoke it | 15:30 |
| snap-l | brousch: Honestly, sites that only accept twitter / facebook, and don't support openID need to suck it | 15:34 |
| brousch | i have heard those options pitched to startups as the best way to get people to signup | 15:35 |
| snap-l | If best way you mean the way to keep curmudgeons out, then yes, it's the best way. | 15:38 |
| Wolfger | brousch: As a startup, you are a fool not to have those options.... but don't make those your only options. That's just lazy. | 15:39 |
| snap-l | Also, it's stupid to build your platform off another company | 15:40 |
| brousch | well you're handing off auth to FB and twitter so you don't have to have your own solution | 15:41 |
| snap-l | building it off of two should be a sign to your handlers that you might hurt yourself. | 15:41 |
| jrwren | snap-l: exactly! no FB or Twitter auth. | 15:43 |
| jrwren | if you don't accept more auth, then fuk u, i ain't using yoru service | 15:44 |
| brousch | your daily wtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls | 15:49 |
| brousch | :( http://sourceforge.net/ | 15:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: What about it, other than it's taking a while to load? | 16:03 |
| _stink_ | i got a placeholder saying stuff is slow, and didn't get the front page | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Huh... I got the front page. | 16:05 |
| brousch | i got a melting anvil | 16:06 |
| _stink_ | hah, didn't even notice what that was | 16:07 |
| jcastro | snap-l: where are you? we need your input | 16:09 |
| jcastro | http://outloud.fm/Metalheads# | 16:09 |
| brousch | that made me laugh outloud | 16:10 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Have you read the above? :) | 16:17 |
| jcastro | ugh | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Seriously, not signing into a service that requires twitter or facebook to join | 16:17 |
| jcastro | you suck | 16:17 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yes, yes I do | 16:17 |
| jcastro | but yeah, that does suck | 16:18 |
| snap-l | Anyone know of any location for small m4v files? | 16:22 |
| snap-l | I need something less than 600K | 16:22 |
| brousch | location? | 16:26 |
| snap-l | Place where one might find said files. | 16:26 |
| snap-l | I'm trying archive.org, but finding something that granular is proving difficult. | 16:27 |
| brousch | i can easily make some | 16:27 |
| brousch | you want like a 10 second clip at full res, or a downsized longer clip? | 16:27 |
| snap-l | Something that will show up on an iPhone, 10 seconds is fine | 16:28 |
| snap-l | and something that I can distribute. ;) | 16:28 |
| jcastro | how is the internet at the new mug place? | 16:28 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Spotty | 16:28 |
| snap-l | some times it's fine, and othertimes it's non-existent | 16:28 |
| snap-l | andif Gib is broadcasting, it turns to shit. | 16:28 |
| _stink_ | hah | 16:29 |
| snap-l | Big Blue Button is neat, but it totally blue-balls the internet. | 16:29 |
| brousch | geez, even that 8 second intro from yesterday is 3MB | 16:30 |
| jrwren | snap-l: I can make you a small 600k m4v if you like | 16:31 |
| snap-l | The more the merrier | 16:31 |
| jrwren | what bitrate would you like? | 16:31 |
| snap-l | Whatever an iPhone will accept | 16:31 |
| jrwren | snap-l: if you just want to try a stream: http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp.mp4 is what I was experimenting with for iphone. but its a reasonably large file. | 16:31 |
| jrwren | iphone will accept pretty much any bitrate. | 16:32 |
| snap-l | Has to be under 600K, unfortunately | 16:32 |
| brousch | what video is under 600k? | 16:32 |
| brousch | must be 5 frames | 16:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: really shitty videos | 16:32 |
| jrwren | why under 600k? | 16:32 |
| snap-l | It's a size requirement for the system I'm testing | 16:32 |
| snap-l | Whichis fine for animated gif files, and even some mp3 files | 16:33 |
| snap-l | but for video, it's a real PITA | 16:33 |
| snap-l | tried using ffmpeg, but I don't think it has a m4v encoder. | 16:34 |
| jrwren | m4v is just a container ya know. | 16:34 |
| jrwren | and signifies that it is probably iphone compat | 16:34 |
| jrwren | http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp600.m4v | 16:35 |
| brousch | you can just rename a .mp4 to m4v | 16:35 |
| snap-l | brousch: Are they equivalent | 16:36 |
| jrwren | its just a file ext. | 16:36 |
| jrwren | its meaningless. | 16:36 |
| snap-l | jrwren: hah. :) | 16:37 |
| jrwren | its true. | 16:37 |
| snap-l | (just downloaded what you encoded) | 16:37 |
| jrwren | here... let me change it to mpg. | 16:37 |
| jrwren | it will work. | 16:37 |
| jrwren | snap-l: oh... HA! :) | 16:37 |
| jrwren | snap-l: yeah, I was surprised about what I got for 600k :) | 16:37 |
| snap-l | Actually, it's 615K | 16:37 |
| jrwren | sorry. | 16:38 |
| snap-l | np | 16:38 |
| jrwren | i told it 600000 | 16:38 |
| snap-l | Actually, let me try something | 16:38 |
| jrwren | ffmpeg must not count the header. | 16:38 |
| jrwren | you want to smaller? | 16:38 |
| snap-l | Just created a blender animation | 16:38 |
| jrwren | or you can do it yourself with this | 16:38 |
| jrwren | ffmpeg -i input.avi -acodec aac -ab 128k -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800k -mbd 2 -flags +mv4+aic -trellis 1 -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -s 320x180 -metadata title=X -strict experimental -threads 2 -fs 600000 output.m4v | 16:38 |
| jrwren | remove the -fs 600000 to do the whoel file. | 16:38 |
| snap-l | I have a mp4 file that is 15K | 16:38 |
| jrwren | change the -fs 600000 to -fs 590000 to get less than 600k | 16:38 |
| snap-l | might just rename it to m4v and see what happens | 16:39 |
| snap-l | since it appears m4v is just Apple's proprietary extensions for mp4 | 16:39 |
| snap-l | (which would figure) | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Thank you, though. I really appreciate it! | 16:39 |
| brousch | jrwren: nice ffmpeg command | 16:41 |
| brousch | hm, does that make h264 or mpeg4? | 16:42 |
| brousch | i should say, does it make mpeg4 part 2 or mpeg4 part 10 (h264) video? | 16:45 |
| brousch | jrwren: i think your command makes mpeg4 part 2 video. you need the libx264 vcodec for h264 | 16:47 |
| brousch | check out http://h264.code-shop.com/trac/wiki/Encoding#Ffmpegx264profileBaselinelevel3.0iPhone | 16:48 |
| snap-l | Oh, very nice. | 16:49 |
| snap-l | brousch: I will eat your children. | 18:18 |
| snap-l | "Will it be televised?" | 18:18 |
| brousch | i wanted the twitters to know about it | 18:19 |
| snap-l | heh | 18:19 |
| brousch | and gave you the opportunity to post a link to the video stream (if it exists) | 18:19 |
| snap-l | Hopefully it will, on someone's 4G myfi | 18:19 |
| snap-l | sadly, it'll likely cream the bandwidth of the ESD | 18:19 |
| brousch | dangit | 18:20 |
| snap-l | BTW: http://openmetalcast.com/2011/06/14/open-metalcast-episode-23-fighting-narwhals/ | 18:26 |
| brousch | what weapon do you use to fight a narwhal? | 18:31 |
| snap-l | Anger | 18:38 |
| brousch | despite all your rage, you're still just a narwhal in a tank | 18:41 |
| jrwren | brousch: shit, you are right... but iphone plays it :) | 18:42 |
| jrwren | brousch: but TY so much... I can probably do much better and have less Xfer if I move to h264 | 18:43 |
| brousch | i use mpeg4 as my "works everywhre" codec | 18:43 |
| jrwren | why not h264? | 18:43 |
| brousch | editing h264 drives some editor bonkers | 18:44 |
| brousch | at least last time i tried them (openshot, kdenlive, pitivi, cinelerra, etc) | 18:45 |
| brousch | they all work well with mpeg4 part 2 | 18:45 |
| jrwren | brousch: what is crazy is that x264 you linked actually encodes faster than the mpeg4p2 that i was using. | 18:47 |
| jrwren | oh wait, no. just started out faster. | 18:48 |
| jrwren | oh EDITORS. | 18:48 |
| jrwren | but if i only care about playback, then h264 is great. | 18:48 |
| brousch | right | 18:48 |
| brousch | and i think editing has improved in the last year | 18:48 |
| brousch | i think that encoder is a two pass, so it does a quick pass then a slower one | 18:49 |
| jrwren | all with 1 ffmpeg command? | 18:51 |
| jrwren | usually you have to -pass 1 and -pass 2 | 18:51 |
| jrwren | but I'm more of a mencoder guy. | 18:51 |
| jrwren | this move to ffmpeg is new to me. | 18:51 |
| brousch | you're right, i don't see 2 passes there | 18:52 |
| brousch | i used to use encoder, but i had too many instances of audio getting out of sync with the video | 18:53 |
| brousch | mencoder | 18:53 |
| jrwren | i never had that | 18:59 |
| jrwren | i just never found a good iphone compat h264 cmd line | 19:00 |
| snap-l | And good evening | 19:33 |
| snap-l | er, afternoon | 19:33 |
| snap-l | I have used a lorem generator today | 19:35 |
| snap-l | I feel accomplished. | 19:35 |
| jrwren | the one built into MSWORD? | 19:35 |
| snap-l | No, a website | 19:36 |
| snap-l | But that's interesting | 19:37 |
| jrwren | brousch: actually, the h264 is about 2fps faster than mpeg4v2 that i was using. | 19:39 |
| jrwren | 16 v 14fps. | 19:39 |
| jrwren | E8500 used to be fast, LOL | 19:39 |
| brousch | the playback is faster or the encoding? | 19:42 |
| devinheitmueller | jrwren: were you able to find a m4v file that met your needs? | 19:43 |
| rick_h_ | man, so close, but postgresql still hates me today | 19:55 |
| brousch | see, it's not just mysql | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | heh, ah true | 19:57 |
| brousch | you should switch to mongo! | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | but at least I'm trying to do something you can't do in mysql | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | create custom group aggregate functions without writing C | 19:57 |
| brousch | ug, so if i'm writing docs in rst, should i add line breaks at 80 characters? | 19:58 |
| brousch | pita to chage a word in the middle of a paragraph | 19:59 |
| rick_h_ | gq | 19:59 |
| brousch | how do i specify what is a paragraph? | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | I just v to highlight the line/next | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | you can do paragraphs with { or something I think | 20:02 |
| brousch | hm, i'll give this a try | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2004/programme/paper-SMyers/Linux_2004_slides/vim_tips/#slide15 | 20:03 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: I was looking, and yes, i think I found something that worked. | 20:03 |
| snap-l | Thanks! | 20:03 |
| devinheitmueller | np | 20:03 |
| devinheitmueller | If you've got copyright/redistribution issue, let me know and I can record some colorbars for you in an ipod compatible format. | 20:03 |
| snap-l | Actually, if you would send me that, that would be great | 20:04 |
| devinheitmueller | I can do it after the MUG meeting tonight. | 20:04 |
| snap-l | the file i sent to the ipod came across as unknown when sent via MMS | 20:04 |
| snap-l | Awesome. Thanks! | 20:04 |
| devinheitmueller | You want that in NTSC? or PAL? | 20:04 |
| devinheitmueller | Also, what resolution do you want? | 20:05 |
| snap-l | heh | 20:06 |
| snap-l | NTSC, suitable for an iPhone | 20:07 |
| snap-l | (I have NFC what res an iphone handles) | 20:07 |
| devinheitmueller | ok | 20:07 |
| brousch | ah, it's one of those things i have to type really fast to make work right | 20:08 |
| brousch | rick_h_: nice, gqap seems to do what i need | 20:10 |
| jrwren | i encode 320x180 for iphone | 20:10 |
| brousch | i can tell you what imovie spits out for its "iphone" format | 20:11 |
| * snap-l wishes he had a mac to make this much easier | 20:12 | |
| brousch | 480x270, h264, aac, bitrate 894 | 20:13 |
| * rick_h_ winds up to smack snap-l | 20:14 | |
| rick_h_ | where's the trout when you need one | 20:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Oh, pshaw | 20:14 |
| devinheitmueller | You should be able to do 640x480 on the iphone. | 20:14 |
| snap-l | Hell, with the retina display, I thikn you could do full HD. | 20:14 |
| devinheitmueller | Handbrake has all the presets for the various devices. Will reboot into my mac. one minute... | 20:14 |
| snap-l | it would just be REAALLLLLYYYY TINY | 20:14 |
| brousch | here's your target according to imovie: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20shot%202011-06-14%20at%203.14.25%20PM.png | 20:15 |
| brousch | yeah, the 270 probably depends on the original file's aspect ratio | 20:15 |
| devinheitmueller | Ok, so iphone is indeed 480x272 | 20:16 |
| devinheitmueller | ipod is 320x176 | 20:16 |
| snap-l | interesting | 20:16 |
| devinheitmueller | bitrate varies by device. | 20:16 |
| devinheitmueller | ipod=700, iphone/ipod touch=960, iphone 4 and ipad = 2500 | 20:17 |
| brousch | devinheitmueller: are you getting this from a web page? | 20:18 |
| devinheitmueller | I'm just clicking through the handbrake presets. | 20:19 |
| brousch | because that's usefull info you're spouting ;) | 20:19 |
| devinheitmueller | I cannot cite them as "authoritative" as it's possible that the HandBrake people didn't follow the Apple specs. But it's "reliable enough". | 20:19 |
| brousch | reliable is better than authoritative | 20:20 |
| brousch | aka theoretical | 20:20 |
| devinheitmueller | Don't I know it. :-) | 20:20 |
| devinheitmueller | Also, I can cheat. I built a hardware product which encodes arbitrary video to iPod format in realtime. | 20:21 |
| devinheitmueller | so, for example, to prep snap-l's colorbars video, I just have to plug my signal generator into the s-video port of the device, and out comes a file suitable for the iPod/iPad. | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Oh, nice. | 20:22 |
| brousch | geez | 20:22 |
| rick_h_ | that definitely sounds like cheating | 20:22 |
| devinheitmueller | Yup. | 20:22 |
| devinheitmueller | Of course in fairness, I had to make the product work in the first place, in which time I probably could have transcoded a few thousand videos via handbrake. ;-) | 20:23 |
| devinheitmueller | http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_broadway.html | 20:23 |
| snap-l | broadway the not-so-hard way. | 20:25 |
| brousch | does it work on linux? | 20:27 |
| snap-l | It's an embedded device | 20:28 |
| devinheitmueller | it's a network enabled product. It doesn't connect directly to a PC. | 20:28 |
| devinheitmueller | If you click on the gallery, you will see a picture that shows a network diagram. | 20:29 |
| Milyardo | not sure if trolling, or serious | 20:29 |
| devinheitmueller | Milyardo: pardon? | 20:29 |
| Milyardo | @brousch | 20:29 |
| devinheitmueller | It *should* work with Linux, but it's not really tested. | 20:30 |
| devinheitmueller | In theory, it should even work with MythTV (as it implements the HD-HomeRun network protocol) | 20:30 |
| devinheitmueller | probably one of the biggest challenges under Linux is that it delivers H.264 video, and many Linux browsers don't support it. That said, I developed large portions of it from my Linux desktop, using VLC for the actual playback. | 20:35 |
| greg-g | home time, then travel to MUG time | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | woot | 21:12 |
| brousch | we were just playing with wolfram alpha. it s sriously cool http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%284%2F3+*+%28a%2Bb%29%29+%3D+%28a%2B3b%29 | 21:18 |
| jrwren | brousch: is that imovie 894 bitrate a&v or just video + 128audio or what? | 21:22 |
| brousch | jrwren: that was audio and video, codecs chosen by imovie for their iphone export preset | 21:23 |
| jrwren | cool. | 21:23 |
| jrwren | do you know how they balance the a/v? is it 798video 96 audio? or other? | 21:24 |
| brousch | so according to devinheitmueller's earlier comment, the 894 fits just under the 960 max bitrate for iphone | 21:24 |
| brousch | jrwren: i think it's 128bit audio | 21:24 |
| devinheitmueller | Which format do you want to know? | 21:25 |
| devinheitmueller | ipod is 700/160 | 21:25 |
| jrwren | i'm trying a 96bit aac and 400bit video. i want to see if I notice the difference | 21:25 |
| devinheitmueller | iphone is 960/128 | 21:25 |
| jrwren | devinheitmueller: according to whom? | 21:25 |
| devinheitmueller | again, handbrake | 21:27 |
| devinheitmueller | These are defaults. audio bitrates tend to be configurable. | 21:27 |
| brousch | devinheitmueller: do you know of a source for info like that for android devices? | 21:28 |
| devinheitmueller | brousch: no, the presets in handbrake are just for Apple products. | 21:29 |
| devinheitmueller | There can be much more variance in Android supported formats, since there are many different processors used in those devices. | 21:29 |
| devinheitmueller | (each with different max bitrates) | 21:29 |
| brousch | right | 21:29 |
| devinheitmueller | That said, it's entirely possible that Google publishes such a guide with best practices - I do not know. | 21:30 |
| brousch | ok | 21:30 |
| devinheitmueller | Well, well. Look what a google search for "android audio video bitrates" comes back with as its first hit.... | 21:31 |
| devinheitmueller | http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html | 21:31 |
| devinheitmueller | recommendations at the bottom of the page. | 21:31 |
| jrwren | i checked out handbrake, but I did not see any video bitrates specified | 21:35 |
| jrwren | https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets#iphone <-- no video bitrate that I can find. | 21:35 |
| jrwren | but that is still just handbrakes defaults... which is great to use as a reference. | 21:36 |
| jrwren | so far I'm very happy with my 400/96 encode. | 21:36 |
| jrwren | I never dreamed of the day I'd have enough outgoing bandwidth to stream thiskind of thing, but ty comcast. | 21:36 |
| devinheitmueller | If you run the GUI, you can click on the various modes and then see what their underlying settings translate to. | 21:37 |
| devinheitmueller | (including bitrates) | 21:37 |
| jrwren | right, but I do not thing the UI is telling the truth. | 21:37 |
| jrwren | I guess I'm saying I trust the docs more than I trust the UI. | 21:37 |
| jrwren | which is probably foolish. | 21:37 |
| jrwren | you can ask the UI to show you the CLI, can't you. I'd trust that ;) | 21:37 |
| jrwren | also, I don't know waht handbrake UI are you suing. | 21:38 |
| jrwren | but mine does not show video bitrate for iphone. | 21:38 |
| devinheitmueller | I haven't looked at the command line docs, but I bet "-X" is the video bitrate, and "-B" is the audio bitrate for each channel. | 21:38 |
| jrwren | it shows "constant quality. | 21:38 |
| jrwren | -B is audio, yes. | 21:38 |
| jrwren | -X is NOT | 21:38 |
| jrwren | you can handbrakeCLI --help 2>&1|less and find what -X does. | 21:38 |
| devinheitmueller | Yeah, I'm not in front of a Linux box, so no I cannot. That said, I bet the bitrate is in there. | 21:39 |
| jrwren | its not. | 21:39 |
| jrwren | i am in front of both windows and linux and I checked :) | 21:39 |
| jrwren | handbrake uses variable bitrate with a quality setting of 60% aka, -q 20 | 21:39 |
| jrwren | see the -q option of HandbrakeCLI | 21:40 |
| brousch | jrwren: can you specify a profile to use? my guess is iphone targets the same profile as android, Baseline Profile | 21:47 |
| brousch | doesn't look like it | 21:48 |
| brousch | h264 really hurts me mind | 21:51 |
| devinheitmueller | brousch: welcome to my world. :-) | 21:51 |
| brousch | oh, i waded around in it for a while a year or so ago | 21:52 |
| brousch | now i just let avidemux do it for me | 21:52 |
| brousch | this page seems very nformative https://sites.google.com/site/linuxencoding/x264-encoding-guide | 21:54 |
| jrwren | i dont' know anything about android. | 21:59 |
| jrwren | but I'd imagine it is just like iphone but supports more options :) | 21:59 |
| brousch | well they both support baseline profile | 22:00 |
| jrwren | weird use of mplayer instead of mencoder on that site. | 22:00 |
| jrwren | i don't even know what "baseline profile" means | 22:00 |
| brousch | which defines a bunch of constraints | 22:00 |
| brousch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles | 22:00 |
| devinheitmueller | that's really the challenge. Typically those devices support a *subset* of the available profiles, and expect the content preparer to meet those expectations. | 22:01 |
| jrwren | oh, well that one you linked for iphone is at least HiP I think. | 22:02 |
| jrwren | i see 8x8 and 4x4 options. | 22:02 |
| brousch | i'm gonna flee before my head asplodes | 22:02 |
| jrwren | yeah, i don't really case about the details. | 22:03 |
| jrwren | i just want low bitrate high quality on my phone :) | 22:03 |
| jrwren | and I have that. HURRAY! | 22:03 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: dude | 23:29 |
| greg-g | here we go! | 23:29 |
| rick_h_ | watch out...dude | 23:29 |
| Blazeix | good luck! | 23:31 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: finally heard back from the js uuid libary guy | 23:32 |
| rick_h_ | he says he's not interested in adding v3 support | 23:32 |
| Blazeix | yeah, not too surprised. I don't think any of his algorithms actually hashed user input. | 23:42 |
| Blazeix | it was more of the 'random generator' kind | 23:42 |
| rick_h_ | right, well it's all the other uuid specs :( | 23:43 |
| rick_h_ | moved on, but figured I'd let you know since you went down that path | 23:43 |
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