[01:39] snap-l jcastro so you guys all set for tomorrow ride wise? [01:39] don't need me to run over? [01:40] rick_h_: Nah, I'm cool [01:40] JoDee isn't going to class tomorrow, so I have a cara [01:41] and jcastro is getting a ride from me [01:41] ok, cool [01:41] hey kdis :) [01:41] kids :) [01:41] Thanks for checking, though [01:43] jjesse: heya there! [01:44] whats up greg-g [01:46] not much, just working on my slides for tomorrow night's MUG meeting [01:47] cool [02:09] am i still online? [02:12] appear to be [02:22] not anymore [02:23] jjessse: You are now offline. ;) [02:26] hey, everyone who is going should say so here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/974/detail/ :) [02:29] smoser: widox Blazeix _stink_ jcastro Wolfger ^^ [02:33] ON IT [02:34] snap-l: good news craig bologna [02:34] snap-l: I have a car, I can drive tomorrow if you want [02:44] hola guys. got a tip there was a pretty avid pylons user lurking [02:44] been beating my head against the wall with a nosetest for an http post [02:44] heh, possibly [02:44] what's up? [02:45] rick_h_ is the bizomb [02:46] helping out w rhodecode, a foss hgweb replacement [02:46] quashing a bug in the ldap auth module [02:46] while i was there, thought i would fill in some unittest stubs [02:47] i am not a webdev, but i am trying to pitch in [02:47] gotcha [02:47] this is pylons 1.0, using webhelpers forms [02:47] sec, cat [02:48] im getting an http 200 when i call self.app.post [02:48] ive checked routes and controller mapping pretty closely [02:48] ok, and you're expecting a 302 or something? [02:49] that is a redirect? [02:49] yea [02:49] im expecting the db to be updated,. but my dict of formdata is not being commited to the spqlite db [02:49] using sa [02:50] so things to check, if they're doing a redirect make sure you're getting the 302 [02:50] if not, make sure they're not checking for a submit button or something in the POST values [02:50] i know im getting a 200 [02:50] and you're note actually triggering the post [02:50] right, but are they redirecting? [02:50] lemme see [02:50] most forms do, so might be a sign there's something missing in the step [02:51] https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode [02:51] k, but where am I looking ? [02:52] im looking, i didint know if you wanted it [02:53] yes, they are redirecting in the controller to ldap_home [02:53] file/line number? [02:53] controllers/? [02:54] https://bitbucket.org/https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.pyslestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.py [02:54] that doesnt look right [02:54] admin/ldap_settings [02:55] im sry, i need to put kgardner to bed. shes awaiting with book in hand [02:55] k [02:56] for when you get back: [02:56] from looking at this I'd say that you're getting an error of one sort of another [02:56] all of them are set to 'flash' so you should see them in the html of the response [02:57] so I'd log.debug(str(response) form your untit test [02:57] and see what's coming back at you [02:57] you can use the logger in nosetests too? wasnt sure abt that [02:57] yea, just make sure to tell it to output log info [02:58] yeah, with -s [02:58] back in a bit [02:58] nosetests --with-id -v -s -x --with-pylons test_psql.ini qmail_app/tests [02:58] is my usual nosetest command [03:15] jcastro: I have a car as well [03:15] I can still pick you up if you want [03:26] ok [03:28] gonna add thaqt debug [03:28] slestak_netbook: you following what I mean? [03:28] i did some looking around github and bb and not a lot of projects fill in their testing [03:29] yeah, i think so. [03:29] heh, yea :( [03:29] but we all love people that add to testing :) [03:30] i see some tests that are setting the status in the post call [03:30] they do status=302? [03:30] https://bitbucket.org/russellballestrini/pylowiki/src/ab49079b3da4/pylowiki/tests/functional/test_login.py [03:30] yes [03:30] yea, that'll blow up if anytrhing but a 302 comes back [03:31] he doesnt have any asserts in there so i think its a wip [03:31] it's an auto assert [03:31] bonus for calling the request [03:31] I use that all the time [03:32] http://pythonpaste.org/webtest/#what-is-tested-by-default [03:33] man, this node.js thing is just too fast. Poor server goes boom [03:35] i need to find the hadle to log. not available in my test harness as log.debug [03:35] you can also just print it [03:36] have to find the output [03:36] you find pylons old schoolers resistant to port to pyramid? [03:36] oh, log only shows with a failing test [03:36] so make sure you assert False [03:36] I'm not sure, work people are "ugh, learning another system" [03:36] but it's not like this is java [03:36] I don't know how adoption overall is going [03:37] this fellow i am helping i think has no desire to port [03:41] i think its trying to make me log in again [03:42] k, that might be [03:42] so you need to send auth or go through the login page first [03:43] i have a helper to login, i think i am just looking at the login link in the response [03:43] ah, ok [03:43] im looking at the ldap settings form [03:44] i can see the listboxes [03:44] k, look for a div/something with "flash" [03:45] i see that, there is no message to flash [03:45] the post was not valid, should not have the 200, so i know sth fouled up [03:49] thx for the assist. im going to look at this a bit more and get some sleep [03:50] k, let me know if you find it [04:36] rick_h_: got it [04:36] i wasnt comleting enough of my form toget past validation [04:37] once i completely filled in param, it worked [12:56] rick_h_: did you sort our slestak last night? [12:56] sort out [13:09] brousch: it looks like from the scroll back that rick_h_ helped and then slestak got it working in the end [13:11] cool [13:12] had some more pain trying to use unity last night [13:13] brousch: yea, think he got it [13:13] and fun on the unity pain [13:14] aptana pydev (eclipse) requires sun-java6. there is no sun-java6 in ubuntu any more. there's a ppa, but apparently it doesn't have 64 bit sun-java6. so it seemed to work with open-jdk, except only the Window menu shows up [13:14] my boss tried to install/get it and gets a blank screen on startup [13:14] he's a bit cranky [13:15] hah, so the solution is to not use aptana, come home to vim! :) [13:15] i had blank screens in 2 cases: nvidia-96 drivers (still not available) and a monitor that's not strictly supported [13:15] we haven't gotten you switched yet? Did you watch my screencasts? [13:15] i need eclipse for android if nothing else [13:16] i am memorizing vim shortcuts at the rate of 1/month ;) [13:16] move up to 1/wk [13:16] that's the trick [13:16] after a while you get your set [13:16] I find different people have slightly different sets [13:17] i learn one when something is annoying to do, like delete a very long line [13:17] or go to the bottom of a file [13:18] good ones I use a ton [13:18] dtX is another good know to have on hand [13:19] death trap? [13:19] dt[somechar] [13:19] delete up until you hit this character [13:19] huh, neat [13:19] ah, nice [13:20] df[char] will include that character i the deletion [13:21] I tend to use dt though, have to always think about the f version [13:21] anyway, very useful in changeing a value in a csv, email addresses, things with stop characters like @,/ and such [13:22] how would i go the middle part of a long line? [13:22] gt? [13:23] f[somechar] [13:23] I tend to use that [13:23] pick a character in the middle and aim for it [13:23] ; will repeat the last f command [13:23] so in a csv, I might do f, and then hit ;;; until I get to the right field [13:23] is that a colon or semi-colon? my coffee-deprived eyes cannot tell [13:23] semi [13:24] don't like to have to use modifier keys, needs more keystrokes [13:25] yeah [13:25] and i'm a bad typist [13:25] brousch: What's the link to your keyboard shotcut guide for UNity? [13:26] it was in one of jcastro's askubuntu threads [13:26] Right, but you coallated it. [13:27] http://clusterbleep.net/files/Ubuntu_11.04_Unity_Cheat_Sheet.pdf [13:27] Thank you. :) [13:27] np [13:27] the askubuntu threads are in the footer of that [13:28] i like the desktop wallpaper version someone made [13:28] i can switch to an empty workspace and check it quickly [13:29] Got a link to that as well? :) [13:29] * snap-l is cribbing resources together. ;P) [13:29] I smell MUG mtf reuse [13:29] /mtf/mtg [13:29] *whistles* [13:29] I'm totally giving Ben credit [13:29] http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts [13:29] it's all good, it's in the loco [13:30] rick_h_: exactly. :) [13:30] jcastro compiled the commands. these are just different versions of his work [13:32] so make sure you give him credit ;) [13:33] He'll be there, so he can take credit if he wants. ;) [13:34] dt should be easy to remember... "delete to". But that makes me want to think of df as "delete from", and it sounds like that's not what it does. :\ [13:34] yea, df doesn't click with me like dt does [13:34] <_stink_> i just think 'delete find' [13:35] <_stink_> i use them about the same amount [13:35] yea, I mean it's kind of amazing how personal vim is [13:35] <_stink_> but it's funny how different folks settle into different uses [13:35] <_stink_> yeah [13:35] <_stink_> that [13:35] there's a common base, but people do settle into their own uses [13:46] on the bright side, i do have my 12 wokspaces on unity now [13:46] and my system monitor [13:47] hm, i can boot into classic mode to see if the aptana menu issue is due to unity or openjdk [14:00] 12?! [14:05] though, I guess I do also, since I have 6 workspaces, but 2 monitors [14:06] i rarely use more than 6, but once in a while i use 10 [14:07] I like having the limits. Once in a while I run out of space [14:07] but usually it's a sign to put something down/away [14:07] "I'll just leave this open and jump back to it in a min...well it's really going to be a while" [14:07] yeah, mine fill up with collections of chrome tabs for a specific meeting [14:22] snap-l: just google for "power user guide unity" [14:22] ok, ppa talk written. Ugh, feels short [14:23] speak slowly [14:23] hah, well I have one slide that's "Story Time" [14:23] so will have to really go on during taht [14:24] are mug meetings recorded? [14:25] * rick_h_ skips that one [14:25] jcastro: Yeah, I found that. [14:26] jcastro: Just wanted to illuminate the hard work of Mr. West-side, brousch [14:27] brousch: depends [14:27] WEST SIDE! [14:27] I like Grand Rapids, I would live there [14:27] gib tries to record them / broadcast them [14:27] jcastro: Yeah, I like GR [14:27] save for the conservatives. ;) [14:27] apparently we have jobs here, too [14:27] and American Pie [14:28] That must be a current release over there. [14:28] You're gonna love Kiss. [14:28] ;) [14:28] we just started playing this new band on the radio, Rush i think it's called :P [14:29] i suspect it's oriented to frat boys and sorority girls [14:30] I don't know if you've been at a Rush concert, but it is decidedly not sorority girls who attend. [14:31] There's two types of women at Rush concerts: True fans, and "my SO dragged me here" [14:31] The band has actually asked folks that if they're going to drag their non-Rush-loving partners to the show, to please not sit in the front row [14:31] so, old women and old wives? [14:32] nothing in the world is more of a downer during a show than a cross-armed, stern looking female in the front row [14:32] it seems silly to drag someone to an expensive concert if they don't want to go [14:32] brousch: I wouldn't go there if I were you. [14:32] JoDee's a huge Rush fan too. :) [14:37] This system that I'm testing requires me to use a different e-mail address (can't share e-mail addresses between accounts) [14:37] I have 28 lines in my /etc/postfix/virtual file. [14:40] man, I could of sworn there was a pure python message queue thing when I checked out queues a while ago [14:40] can't find it for the life of me now [14:42] pymq? [14:43] no, looks like I'm thinking of beanstalkd which isn't python, just works with it [14:43] don't see anything pure python/memory [14:43] pymq requires mysql [14:44] hmm, but it is in the ubuntu repo so maybe I'll try it out again [14:46] oh yummy, node.js client [14:49] ya'll talk too much :p [14:49] jrwren: Shush [14:50] I believe the phrase you are looking for is "cork it, jrwren" [14:51] *gasp* [15:17] SNAP-L [15:17] http://outloud.fm/Metalheads [15:17] JOIN ME [15:17] n0p: you too [15:27] I'm sorry, but they only have sign-up via twitter or Facebook [15:27] and I'm not giving my twitter creds to any application [15:28] Thanks, though. :) [15:28] freetard! [15:28] Pragmatic [15:28] secure [15:28] I don't want some application to suddenly spam people about some service I signed up for 2 yars ago [15:29] yars = pirate years. [15:30] https://twitter.com/settings/applications [15:30] revoke it [15:34] brousch: Honestly, sites that only accept twitter / facebook, and don't support openID need to suck it [15:35] i have heard those options pitched to startups as the best way to get people to signup [15:38] If best way you mean the way to keep curmudgeons out, then yes, it's the best way. [15:39] brousch: As a startup, you are a fool not to have those options.... but don't make those your only options. That's just lazy. [15:40] Also, it's stupid to build your platform off another company [15:41] well you're handing off auth to FB and twitter so you don't have to have your own solution [15:41] building it off of two should be a sign to your handlers that you might hurt yourself. [15:43] snap-l: exactly! no FB or Twitter auth. [15:44] if you don't accept more auth, then fuk u, i ain't using yoru service [15:49] your daily wtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls [15:57] :( http://sourceforge.net/ [16:03] brousch: What about it, other than it's taking a while to load? [16:04] <_stink_> i got a placeholder saying stuff is slow, and didn't get the front page [16:05] Huh... I got the front page. [16:06] i got a melting anvil [16:07] <_stink_> hah, didn't even notice what that was [16:09] snap-l: where are you? we need your input [16:09] http://outloud.fm/Metalheads# [16:10] that made me laugh outloud [16:17] jcastro: Have you read the above? :) [16:17] ugh [16:17] Seriously, not signing into a service that requires twitter or facebook to join [16:17] you suck [16:17] jcastro: Yes, yes I do [16:18] but yeah, that does suck [16:22] Anyone know of any location for small m4v files? [16:22] I need something less than 600K [16:26] location? [16:26] Place where one might find said files. [16:27] I'm trying archive.org, but finding something that granular is proving difficult. [16:27] i can easily make some [16:27] you want like a 10 second clip at full res, or a downsized longer clip? [16:28] Something that will show up on an iPhone, 10 seconds is fine [16:28] and something that I can distribute. ;) [16:28] how is the internet at the new mug place? [16:28] jcastro: Spotty [16:28] some times it's fine, and othertimes it's non-existent [16:28] andif Gib is broadcasting, it turns to shit. [16:29] <_stink_> hah [16:29] Big Blue Button is neat, but it totally blue-balls the internet. [16:30] geez, even that 8 second intro from yesterday is 3MB [16:31] snap-l: I can make you a small 600k m4v if you like [16:31] The more the merrier [16:31] what bitrate would you like? [16:31] Whatever an iPhone will accept [16:31] snap-l: if you just want to try a stream: http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp.mp4 is what I was experimenting with for iphone. but its a reasonably large file. [16:32] iphone will accept pretty much any bitrate. [16:32] Has to be under 600K, unfortunately [16:32] what video is under 600k? [16:32] must be 5 frames [16:32] brousch: really shitty videos [16:32] why under 600k? [16:32] It's a size requirement for the system I'm testing [16:33] Whichis fine for animated gif files, and even some mp3 files [16:33] but for video, it's a real PITA [16:34] tried using ffmpeg, but I don't think it has a m4v encoder. [16:34] m4v is just a container ya know. [16:34] and signifies that it is probably iphone compat [16:35] http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp600.m4v [16:35] you can just rename a .mp4 to m4v [16:36] brousch: Are they equivalent [16:36] its just a file ext. [16:36] its meaningless. [16:37] jrwren: hah. :) [16:37] its true. [16:37] (just downloaded what you encoded) [16:37] here... let me change it to mpg. [16:37] it will work. [16:37] snap-l: oh... HA! :) [16:37] snap-l: yeah, I was surprised about what I got for 600k :) [16:37] Actually, it's 615K [16:38] sorry. [16:38] np [16:38] i told it 600000 [16:38] Actually, let me try something [16:38] ffmpeg must not count the header. [16:38] you want to smaller? [16:38] Just created a blender animation [16:38] or you can do it yourself with this [16:38] ffmpeg -i input.avi -acodec aac -ab 128k -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800k -mbd 2 -flags +mv4+aic -trellis 1 -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -s 320x180 -metadata title=X -strict experimental -threads 2 -fs 600000 output.m4v [16:38] remove the -fs 600000 to do the whoel file. [16:38] I have a mp4 file that is 15K [16:38] change the -fs 600000 to -fs 590000 to get less than 600k [16:39] might just rename it to m4v and see what happens [16:39] since it appears m4v is just Apple's proprietary extensions for mp4 [16:39] (which would figure) [16:39] Thank you, though. I really appreciate it! [16:41] jrwren: nice ffmpeg command [16:42] hm, does that make h264 or mpeg4? [16:45] i should say, does it make mpeg4 part 2 or mpeg4 part 10 (h264) video? [16:47] jrwren: i think your command makes mpeg4 part 2 video. you need the libx264 vcodec for h264 [16:48] check out http://h264.code-shop.com/trac/wiki/Encoding#Ffmpegx264profileBaselinelevel3.0iPhone [16:49] Oh, very nice. [18:18] brousch: I will eat your children. [18:18] "Will it be televised?" [18:19] i wanted the twitters to know about it [18:19] heh [18:19] and gave you the opportunity to post a link to the video stream (if it exists) [18:19] Hopefully it will, on someone's 4G myfi [18:19] sadly, it'll likely cream the bandwidth of the ESD [18:20] dangit [18:26] BTW: http://openmetalcast.com/2011/06/14/open-metalcast-episode-23-fighting-narwhals/ [18:31] what weapon do you use to fight a narwhal? [18:38] Anger [18:41] despite all your rage, you're still just a narwhal in a tank [18:42] brousch: shit, you are right... but iphone plays it :) [18:43] brousch: but TY so much... I can probably do much better and have less Xfer if I move to h264 [18:43] i use mpeg4 as my "works everywhre" codec [18:43] why not h264? [18:44] editing h264 drives some editor bonkers [18:45] at least last time i tried them (openshot, kdenlive, pitivi, cinelerra, etc) [18:45] they all work well with mpeg4 part 2 [18:47] brousch: what is crazy is that x264 you linked actually encodes faster than the mpeg4p2 that i was using. [18:48] oh wait, no. just started out faster. [18:48] oh EDITORS. [18:48] but if i only care about playback, then h264 is great. [18:48] right [18:48] and i think editing has improved in the last year [18:49] i think that encoder is a two pass, so it does a quick pass then a slower one [18:51] all with 1 ffmpeg command? [18:51] usually you have to -pass 1 and -pass 2 [18:51] but I'm more of a mencoder guy. [18:51] this move to ffmpeg is new to me. [18:52] you're right, i don't see 2 passes there [18:53] i used to use encoder, but i had too many instances of audio getting out of sync with the video [18:53] mencoder [18:59] i never had that [19:00] i just never found a good iphone compat h264 cmd line [19:33] And good evening [19:33] er, afternoon [19:35] I have used a lorem generator today [19:35] I feel accomplished. [19:35] the one built into MSWORD? [19:36] No, a website [19:37] But that's interesting [19:39] brousch: actually, the h264 is about 2fps faster than mpeg4v2 that i was using. [19:39] 16 v 14fps. [19:39] E8500 used to be fast, LOL [19:42] the playback is faster or the encoding? [19:43] jrwren: were you able to find a m4v file that met your needs? [19:55] man, so close, but postgresql still hates me today [19:56] see, it's not just mysql [19:57] heh, ah true [19:57] you should switch to mongo! [19:57] but at least I'm trying to do something you can't do in mysql [19:57] create custom group aggregate functions without writing C [19:58] ug, so if i'm writing docs in rst, should i add line breaks at 80 characters? [19:59] pita to chage a word in the middle of a paragraph [19:59] gq [20:01] how do i specify what is a paragraph? [20:01] I just v to highlight the line/next [20:02] you can do paragraphs with { or something I think [20:02] hm, i'll give this a try [20:03] http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2004/programme/paper-SMyers/Linux_2004_slides/vim_tips/#slide15 [20:03]