[01:20] <Vychune> o/
[01:29] <wrst> hey Vychune
[01:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: also, that is an est. which could be scewed
[01:33] <cyberanger> and it's settled since
[01:33] <cyberanger> just a big amount setting up, I/O and bandwidth were high
[13:19] <wrst> twayneprice: I got that warning on irccloud also, all I have done is had it idling on a channel with no activity
[14:00] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ?
[14:07] <twayneprice> wrst: Yea, not sure exactly what is going on.  Also, I really don't think the subscription model will work with an irc client.
[14:08] <wrst> I don't either twayneprice there are way too many other options out there
[14:08] <twayneprice> wrst: yup
[14:08] <wrst> and mostly free options
[14:08] <pace_t_zulu> i could only see a subscription model working if significant effort was put in to make IRC easier to use ...
[14:09] <pace_t_zulu> but that's not what draws people to IRC anyway
[14:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: check out this review of 11.04 ... more specifically unity ... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-11.04-natty-narwhal,2943.html
[14:10] <twayneprice> pace_t_zulu: maybe.  I really have a hard time seeing me actually paying, though.  And at $3-12 a month, that is pretty expensive.
[14:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: toms hardware is a very reliable source ... been reading it for over a decade
[14:10] <pace_t_zulu> twayneprice: i wouldn't pay
[14:11] <pace_t_zulu> twayneprice: but there are users out there who have trouble setting up IRC ... nevermind setting up a proper cloak for protection
[14:11] <twayneprice> No, I don't think many would.  Now if they want to put some google ads on the right hand side, I'll pay with eyeballs.  :)
[14:12] <pace_t_zulu> twayneprice: wouldn't be bad if they streamline the connection process and make cloaking automatic
[14:12] <pace_t_zulu> twayneprice: i agree about the google ads ... they could be dynamic based on the current conversation
[14:13] <twayneprice> It was pretty easy to set up with the 4 channels that I monitor.
[14:16] <twayneprice> wrst: You might be interested in this:  http://harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com/
[14:18] <pace_t_zulu> twayneprice: probably easier than an ec2 deployment with a quassel-core
[14:18] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: specifically check out the "Conclusion" ... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-11.04-natty-narwhal,2943-18.html
[14:20] <twayneprice> twayneprice: I agree.  A web front end to quassel would be great.
[14:25] <twayneprice> hmmm.  I guess I'm talking to myself.  :)
[14:30] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I will read the entire thing later jumping to the conclusion :)
[14:33] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: interesting and I think I mostly agree
[14:33] <wrst> I do think they will be pleasently surprised with F15 and gnome 3/shell, gnome did themselves no favor with those live cd offerings they were horrible
[14:41] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: openvpn used a fair bit of I/O, the byobu app is a guesstmate (and doesn't factor in the fact I'm in the free tier)
[14:42] <cyberanger> all the packages and updates used a fair bit of bandwidth (not a shocker in itself, but compared to the next biggest use, ssh & irc (nearly equal) it
[14:42] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i rarely tap openvpn ... of course it would use considerably more bandwith
[14:42] <cyberanger> s an order higher)
[14:43] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: openvpn is a facility i reserve for unprotected wifi networks
[14:43] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: my usage of openvpn is minimal at best
[14:43] <cyberanger> I'd use it here and there, split routing, but I've not fired it up yet (leaning on ssh tunnels and iptables to get it)
[14:43] <cyberanger> but I go overboard on the amount of crypto
[14:44] <cyberanger> and generating it at first is a bit insane
[14:48] <cyberanger> (but on the other hand, the cost of renting a supercomputer has really really shrunk, if you wanna brute force wpa, you can now, dirt cheap)
[14:48] <cyberanger> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/07/us-amazon-hacking-idUSTRE70641M20110107
[14:49] <cyberanger> (the irony there is, the supercomputer is AWS's EC2 instances (the GPU instances are perfect for this actually))
[14:52] <cyberanger> twayneprice: at that cost, might as well get something with more flexability, even it that flexability cost 20 bucks, it'd be worth it, for the other uses
[14:54] <cyberanger> such as VPN/Secure Proxy, website hosting, file storage, or just space to test stuff meant for another server (or not meant for anything, but it sounded like fun, so I did it projects (had a few of those myself, geeks nature I suppose))
[14:55] <cyberanger> for just IRC, if they were sucessful, no more than 5 dollars I'd think would be needed
[14:57] <cyberanger> thing is, if they do added features to IRC, might justify that (or it might sour the taste further) jabber & facebook is an added value (insofar it's the only way I'll get that many onto jabber, even if they have no clue)
[14:57] <cyberanger> but with how it is now, I'd not pay for it
[15:06] <wrst> interesting twayneprice may give that download
[15:09] <cyberanger> twayneprice: a web frontend for quassel, hrm, intresting
[15:09] <cyberanger> (I know I can do that with a web client and setting my client to be an IRC Proxy, connect between the two)
[15:27] <twayneprice> I use hamachi to vpn back to my home machine from work.
[15:33] <cyberanger> twayneprice: when was the last linux version made though?
[15:34] <twayneprice> Actually, I think it is just a couple of month old.
[15:34] <twayneprice> https://secure.logmein.com/US/labs/
[15:34] <twayneprice> Ahh, 6 months old
[15:36] <cyberanger> still news, but "12/07/2010" isn't too recent
[15:36] <cyberanger> yeah
[15:36] <cyberanger> (last I heard was the long time in the middle, didn't see the labs area I guess)
[15:39] <twayneprice> It is pretty solid, though.  I don't think I've updated in probably a year.
[15:43] <cyberanger> for a VPN, eh, might not be wise
[15:43] <cyberanger> idk, personal use I suppose, better than nothing in ways
[16:20] <Xpistos> WHAT UP!
[16:20] <Xpistos> wrst
[16:20] <wrst> hey Xpistos
[17:36] <electricus> Apple Begins Sales of 'Unlocked' iPhones in US
[17:36] <electricus> Apple Begins Sales of 'Unlocked' iPhones in US
[17:36] <electricus> Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/14/apple-starts-selling-unlocked-iphones-in-us/#ixzz1PGk1XJpM
[17:36] <electricus> they are ridiculously expensive, but it's a move in the right direction
[17:37] <electricus> cell phone manufacturers should eventually be totally unbiased to cellular companies in my opinion..
[17:37] <electricus> it seems like a better free market that way
[18:27] <cyberanger> electricus: they are already in my case
[18:47] <electricus> hahaha.. i needed a good laugh today.. I'm sure you all will enjoy
[18:47] <electricus> http://postimage.org/image/l7cygnac/
[18:48] <electricus> Hobo with a Shotgun - Delivering justice one shell at a time.. LOL
[18:50] <electricus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssHEAOrAdCU
[18:52] <electricus> LOL..wow..this is ridiculous :-D  talk about cheezy
[18:52] <electricus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LlazPgxKrA&feature=related
[19:46] <chris4585> update-grub should update the menu in grub for newer kernels right?
[19:47] <wrst> chris4585: it *SHOULD*
[19:47] <wrst> :D
[19:48] <chris4585> it seems to find every kernel installed, but it doesn't show up in grub
[19:48] <chris4585> I figured this problem would go away after installing ubuntu-desktop but I was wrong
[19:50] <chris4585> I really hate grub2
[19:51] <wrst> ha ha chris4585 join the club
[19:51] <wrst> really I'm thinking of starting one ;)
[19:51] <chris4585> lol
[19:51] <wrst> wish I could help... but it drives me insane
[19:54] <chris4585> I have kernels all the way from 2.6.35-22 lol
[19:54] <chris4585> all the way to kernel 3
[19:57] <chris4585> well lets see if that fixed it, brb
[21:29] <Xpistos> Can I set the VNC port to something other than 5900 on my laptop?
[21:29] <Xpistos> I have gufw installed but I don't see how to do it and my router won't allow me to specif 2910 in and 5900 out to my LAN P
[21:29] <Xpistos> or LAN IP
[21:35] <Xpistos> I got it
[21:43] <wrst> good job Xpistos
[21:43] <Xpistos> now trying to get my headless server to show icewm as it's vnc connection
[21:43] <Xpistos> so everything goes throw my ssh to my server
[21:44] <wrst> cyberanger: you want to tell Xpistos that if he has a headless server it doesn't need xorg?
[21:44] <Xpistos> only thing that is on by default. i have ports open but nothing else is running
[21:44] <Xpistos> wrst: I need it to run Devede. It is too complicated from the command lnie
[21:45] <Xpistos> and it also runs my vms too
[21:45] <wrst> ha whatever :P
[21:45] <Xpistos> baby steps
[21:45] <wrst> you can run them also
[22:04] <cyberanger> wrst: no, you said it for me
[22:05] <Xpistos> Recommendations?
[22:06] <cyberanger> atm I recommend getting myself off the clock first
[22:50] <Xpistos> Yeah I am going home myself