| * TheMuso sighs. Ralf just doesn't get it. | 00:55 | |
| ScottL | TheMuso, why do you say this? | 01:50 |
|---|---|---|
| * ScottL doesn't disagree necessarily, just interested in this particular instance | 01:50 | |
| TheMuso | Maybe I misread, but I don't think he understands the manpower issues that all free software projects face. | 01:51 |
| ScottL | i have found ralf to have a uniquely interesting perspective for many topics | 01:57 |
| iHaku | How has the work on the new desktop progressed? | 02:21 |
| ScottL | iHaku, i think that lies with cory at the moment | 02:23 |
| ScottL | i believe he has made progress and should have something after this weekend to upload the repos | 02:23 |
| iHaku | Great. I look forward to testing Studio in this release cycle. | 02:27 |
| ScottL | good! we look forward to you testing it :) | 02:38 |
| ScottL | i'm still not certain that we will have a proper image to test until alpha 2 unfortunately | 02:38 |
| ScottL | which is a bit bothersome and makes me a little uncomfortable | 02:39 |
| Kokito | howdy | 04:38 |
| Kokito | long time no see you folks | 04:38 |
| ScottL | hi Kokito | 04:39 |
| ScottL | how are you doing? | 04:39 |
| Kokito | busy like crazy, but I will survive ScottL :) | 04:40 |
| Kokito | flying out this Saturday | 04:40 |
| Kokito | hey ScottL , going to try to give you what I owe you tonight or tomorrow morning | 04:40 |
| ScottL | that sounds good, is it something you can email me or will it require something else Kokito ? | 04:41 |
| Kokito | will email you the DB dump and will ZIP all the files and put it up somewhere where you can download it from | 04:42 |
| ScottL | muy bueno | 04:43 |
| ScottL | i'm off to bed | 04:43 |
| Kokito | haha! | 04:43 |
| Kokito | have a good night ScottL | 04:43 |
| * saidinesh5 is feeling like a chimpanzee when trying to coordinate both his hands together on kis keyboard...... | 06:05 | |
| saidinesh5 | ever since i ve joined #ubuntustudio , i ve made it a point to practise some music everyday :D | 06:05 |
| falktx | hi everyone | 14:07 |
| scott-work | i'm still working on the xfce menu patch...sunday and yesterday did not turn out like i had hoped | 14:07 |
| scott-work | falktx: ^^^ | 14:07 |
| scott-work | i should have it banged out either tonight or tomorrow | 14:08 |
| falktx | scott-work: i just now realized all US bugs are reported to me too | 14:08 |
| scott-work | lol...yeah they are :) | 14:09 |
| falktx | scott-work: so I kinda expected the last bug to be about KXStudio, while it was really US | 14:09 |
| falktx | (the ISO install issue) | 14:09 |
| scott-work | falktx: on the same topic, there are quite a few bugs about ubuntustudio-menu which doesn't remove or somethign correctly, do you think that is something you might be able to sort out quickly? | 14:09 |
| scott-work | or will your menu patch possibly fix this as well? | 14:09 |
| falktx | scott-work: the patch fix the non-removed items | 14:10 |
| falktx | scott-work: please take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/796270 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 796270 in Ubuntu Studio "Installer failure ---separate / and /home partitions" [Undecided,New] | 14:11 |
| scott-work | falktx: i've read a bit on that bug and i do not have a clue on how to address it | 14:12 |
| falktx | scott-work: we don't have to do anything, it's ubuntu's fault | 14:13 |
| scott-work | i usually add the separate /hiome directory after installing | 14:13 |
| scott-work | other distros will allow a separate /home directory during installation :( | 14:13 |
| falktx | such as ubuntu | 14:14 |
| falktx | scott-work: I use this method too | 14:14 |
| falktx | (separate home and root9 | 14:14 |
| falktx | we should link it to these bugs: | 14:16 |
| falktx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer | 14:16 |
| falktx | scott-work: I don't know how to link those bugs though... | 14:17 |
| scott-work | falktx: ubuntu has an option to use a separate /home directory during installation? | 14:17 |
| falktx | scott-work: yes, from quite some time | 14:17 |
| scott-work | falktx: where it is during the installation? | 14:18 |
| falktx | scott-work: you can even install /usr/local on a separate partition too | 14:18 |
| falktx | scott-work: the disk setup | 14:18 |
| falktx | (always in the disk setup) | 14:18 |
| scott-work | is this during the partition part? manual partitioning? | 14:18 |
| falktx | scott-work: on the alternate cd/dvd you'll have to do things manually. on the live-cd you have a GUI option for it | 14:19 |
| scott-work | falktx: that's totally bizarre, i've never seen this option! | 14:19 |
| falktx | lol | 14:20 |
| scott-work | falktx: now i'm worried that i've missed it before | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | It's not actually highly visible | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | and is there for manual partitioning, not automatic partition, right? | 14:20 |
| falktx | nope, it's more like an avanced feature | 14:20 |
| scott-work | i've an extra computer and i'll install natty or maverick and see if i can find it | 14:21 |
| falktx | charlie-tca: in the ubuntu live-cd, if you don't have any partitions on disk, it will propose a separate home partition | 14:21 |
| charlie-tca | really? | 14:21 |
| falktx | if the disk already has stuff, ubuntu proposes to install ubuntu + old stuff resized | 14:21 |
| falktx | charlie-tca: yes, I'm 80% sure... | 14:22 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I haven't used a new disk in too long | 14:22 |
| * falktx re-formats his PC very often | 14:22 | |
| charlie-tca | I run installs every day or two, but usually have the disk with partitions already | 14:22 |
| scott-work | i am highly intrigued now, tonight i shall use gparted to format the entire disc first as one partition, then i will install natty as an experiment | 14:27 |
| scott-work | falktx: ^^^ this should propose a separate home parition, no? | 14:27 |
| falktx | scott-work: yes, on the live-cd | 14:27 |
| falktx | let me try to get a screen | 14:28 |
| scott-work | right, with the live-cd | 14:28 |
| falktx | hm, I only have the linux mint cd here | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | scott-work: I want to know if it works for you | 14:32 |
| charlie-tca | I have never had it propose that on a guided install | 14:32 |
| scott-work | charlie-tca: i'd be glad to let you know, i've never had it propose to me either | 14:35 |
| falktx | I hope I'm not confusing Ubuntu with OpenSUSE on this | 14:36 |
| falktx | I'm already downloading the official 32bit iso just to test this | 14:36 |
| scott-work | lol | 15:01 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: thats good news | 15:11 |
| holstein | o/ everybody :) | 15:11 |
| * charlie-tca waves | 15:11 | |
| holstein | saidinesh5: ive been playing more piano and guitar myself | 15:11 |
| saidinesh5 | holstein: :) | 15:11 |
| saidinesh5 | <secret>actually the interesting thing is i ve met a pretty junior girl, who is interested in both signal processing math and music (isnt it awsome combination!!)</secret> | 15:13 |
| saidinesh5 | :P | 15:13 |
| holstein | good times | 15:13 |
| saidinesh5 | So i have been digging up more and more resources, and she even writes for the college magazine | 15:13 |
| saidinesh5 | so we shall even have a nice wiki of how to do things :) | 15:14 |
| saidinesh5 | holstein: you got any tips for getting better co ordinating both hands? | 15:15 |
| saidinesh5 | looks like i still suck miserably , when trying good pieces like turkish march ..... | 15:15 |
| saidinesh5 | or anything else.... | 15:15 |
| saidinesh5 | i can play both fine when using single hand, no matter which...... | 15:16 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: actually, i do | 15:16 |
| saidinesh5 | :D | 15:16 |
| holstein | drumming | 15:16 |
| saidinesh5 | drumming?? | 15:16 |
| holstein | even if its just with your hands on a book, or a table | 15:16 |
| saidinesh5 | Oh i do that *all* the time | 15:16 |
| holstein | looking at rudiments | 15:16 |
| holstein | paradiddles | 15:16 |
| holstein | hemiolas | 15:17 |
| holstein | anything thats challenging like that | 15:17 |
| * saidinesh5 is googling | 15:17 | |
| * saidinesh5 never had any formal music training.... its just play by ear, or play via. computer :P | 15:17 | |
| holstein | get the notes out of the equation, and get the body making the large overall movements of the rhythyms | 15:17 |
| scott-work | hi holstein | 15:18 |
| holstein | scott-work: YO | 15:18 |
| * saidinesh5 waves at scott-work | 15:18 | |
| holstein | saidinesh5: im the kind of musician that will argue you have been formally training yourself :) | 15:18 |
| saidinesh5 | :D | 15:19 |
| saidinesh5 | i mean its been quite a while since i started my keyboard..... like around 7 years....... last 4 years it kinda broke (it still is).....so turned to the flute | 15:19 |
| holstein | making yourself play nice even sounding steady notes while switching hands like | 15:20 |
| holstein | R L R L R L R L R R L L R R L L | 15:20 |
| holstein | making that ^^ sound like you *didnt* change hands | 15:20 |
| holstein | then some trickier things like R L R L R L R L R L L R R L L R | 15:21 |
| holstein | thats actually subtly challenging, and something even the most seasoned percussionist can alway work on | 15:21 |
| holstein | or the total beginner | 15:21 |
| * saidinesh5 was trying that out on his laptop | 15:22 | |
| holstein | with a metronome too, really slow is fine | 15:22 |
| holstein | do this when you're alone, you dont want to try and impress your new girlfriend by doing it faster and faster ;) | 15:23 |
| holstein | slow and steady is the idea | 15:23 |
| saidinesh5 | :) | 15:23 |
| holstein | i always say, practice make permanent | 15:23 |
| holstein | so, you just want to do it right | 15:23 |
| holstein | no matter what | 15:23 |
| holstein | even if its SUPER slow | 15:24 |
| saidinesh5 | hmm... yaa....... already on it....... | 15:24 |
| saidinesh5 | oh btw. holstein , is LADSPA still the standard when it comes to dsp plugins in linux audio?? | 15:25 |
| saidinesh5 | or am i a bit outdated? | 15:26 |
| holstein | good question | 15:26 |
| holstein | i think theres a newer set | 15:27 |
| saidinesh5 | LV2 ? | 15:28 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: you should get the OSMP channel talking about it | 15:29 |
| holstein | i dont follow that enough to stay current | 15:29 |
| * saidinesh5 takes this question to OSMP ..... | 15:29 | |
| === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca1 | ||
| falktx | scott-work: charlie-tca1: I just noticed natty no longer has the separate home partition option now | 16:21 |
| falktx | they totally changed the installer app! | 16:22 |
| falktx | :( | 16:22 |
| falktx | I know I saw that option at some time... | 16:22 |
| saidinesh5 | yes falktx, even i remember looking at it last time when i didnt use Wubi | 16:22 |
| scott-work | oh, so can i guess we can close that bug and say "won't fix" and tell them to file a bug against ubuntu to add that option | 16:22 |
| scott-work | or "invalid" perhaps would be better | 16:23 |
| falktx | scott-work: well, the bug happened on the alternate installer, not the live-cd | 16:23 |
| scott-work | falktx: have you used the TAL plugins (i know their in kxstudio) | 16:23 |
| falktx | scott-work: yes, they are quite good, specially the synth | 16:23 |
| scott-work | i think i'll file a bug with debian multimedia team to request packaging then | 16:24 |
| * scott-work is always looking for new plugins to include | 16:24 | |
| falktx | scott-work: not possible, err... VSTs... | 16:24 |
| scott-work | falktx: oh...didn't realize that | 16:24 |
| scott-work | they looked soooo good too :( | 16:24 |
| falktx | scott-work: I'm trying to make them work as DSSI though | 16:24 |
| falktx | but I can only work on them later | 16:25 |
| falktx | anyway, right now, for VSTs, debs are here: | 16:25 |
| falktx | https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1547496/+listing-archive-extra | 16:25 |
| falktx | qtractor handles these (kinda) | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca1 | That option went away maybe 2 releases ago, I think | 16:25 |
| scott-work | falktx: i just saw this: http://www.renoise.com/board/index.php?/topic/27843-tal-plugins-native-linux-versions/ | 16:25 |
| scott-work | says native linux versions | 16:25 |
| falktx | yes | 16:26 |
| falktx | I compiled them | 16:26 |
| scott-work | oh, lol | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca1 | The only way to have separate root and /home is manually partitioning, and you can do it with the alternate cd | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca1 | live cd does not allow you to enter the partition names, so you have to use the partitions they have named in the partition window. | 16:27 |
| falktx | scott-work: not sure if I already told you, but I plan to make a mega linux plugin pack, containing lots of (native) ladspa, dssi, lv2 and vsts | 16:27 |
| scott-work | that would be awesome | 16:28 |
| falktx | all pre-compiled for 32 and 64bit | 16:28 |
| falktx | I think the community really needs pre-compiled plugins now | 16:28 |
| scott-work | holstein: i was going to post meeting minutes but it looks like the motboot did a good job | 17:25 |
| holstein | scott-work: yeah, i got the minutes from the bot, and i copied and pasted it from my session | 17:29 |
| scott-work | there were a few other things that would be nice to document or mention but i'm not sure it's worth doing another list | 17:30 |
| scott-work | "things" = other mentions that weren't picked up by the bot | 17:30 |
| astraljava | Huh... luckily Startup Disk Creator worked even though it complained about incorrect version "GNU/Linux" on debian 6.0 netinst iso. :D | 20:00 |
| scott-work_ | astraljava: is that for the mudita24 build? | 20:28 |
| astraljava | scott-work_: Yeah, gotta test that the package rolls a working application. | 20:29 |
| scott-work_ | at some point i should really have a debian install somewhere | 20:29 |
| scott-work_ | and i'm "old school", i still like images burned to CDs that i install onto harddrive | 20:30 |
| scott-work_ | which is actually not a very efficient use admittedly | 20:30 |
| astraljava | Yeah I normally do that too, but since now I have a test machine that boots from a usb drive, I save on discs. :D | 20:30 |
| scott-work_ | yeah, i know :( | 20:31 |
| * astraljava is finding the delving into debian a cool change of pace, got distracted for a while on #debian-devel @ irc.debian.org :D | 21:58 | |
| astraljava | Although I do seem to make it as ubuntu-like as possible, I guess I got used to some habits already, which are now hard to die. | 21:59 |
| astraljava | NP: Royal Hunt - Moving Target (album), man... I had forgotten what a masterpiece this is. | 22:07 |
| astraljava | Sorry for the blatant plug, but clearly all the greatest musicians come from Finland. Sibelius, Alexi Laiho, and the Porkka Playboys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLsjBDPe5c&feature=share | 22:19 |
| astraljava | Apologies for prolonging a stupid joke, but if you need something heavier, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IoKkHrjY&feature=share | 22:23 |
| astraljava | Hmmm... well, at least the package is installable on an up-to-date sid. Just don't have a proper sound card there, which the application correctly reports. Does that count as success? :D | 22:33 |
| astraljava | I need to buy a few more hard drives. | 22:33 |
| astraljava | Looks like I need to have several differents systems running on this same machine. | 22:33 |
| ScottL | astraljava, how many do you think you will need? | 23:28 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Well, to be effectively testing on at least the latest LTS and current stable, develop on current devel and sid, plus a data disk, that means 5. :) | 23:29 |
| astraljava | Okay, I've got one already, as the other one crapped out just mere weeks ago. Fortunately didn't have any precious data on it. | 23:34 |
| astraljava | So, 4 more. I can live with 3 only, as I've got a usb drive, that can act as the data drive. | 23:34 |
| astraljava | But still I need to figure out a sensible /home organization, as they can't possibly share a mutual one. | 23:35 |
| astraljava | Okay, done for the day. Can still catch a few hours of sleep before the work begins. G'night! :) | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: I use a 80Gb drive with separate root and /home for each installation. give root about 6GB and home 4gb. | 23:36 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Impossible, as I need to be able to do "guided - use whole disk" test cases. | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, yeah. For that I have a separate 20gb drive | 23:38 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Yep. And also, I often wanna play quite a bit on different releases. For that I need space. For instance, a couple of games eat several gigabytes (the sources). | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | true also | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | That's why I use the 80GB drive. I can give some installs more space with it. | 23:40 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Obviously I could use the data disk for storing those, but there are cases when it doesn't work. | 23:40 |
| astraljava | But what with the prices of the disks these days... | 23:43 |
| ScottL | i couldn't fit five drives into any of my cases :P | 23:44 |
| charlie-tca | heh, I guess mine might be a bit old. I can get them in the case, but the motherboard usually handles 4 | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | I have one case holds 5 x 3.5 drives, plus 4 x 5.25 drives | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | and, yes, it is a big case | 23:46 |
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