[00:55]  * TheMuso sighs. Ralf just doesn't get it.
[01:50] <ScottL> TheMuso, why do you say this?
[01:50]  * ScottL doesn't disagree necessarily, just interested in this particular instance
[01:51] <TheMuso> Maybe I misread, but I don't think he understands the manpower issues that all free software projects face.
[01:57] <ScottL> i have found ralf to have a uniquely interesting perspective for many topics
[02:21] <iHaku> How has the work on the new desktop progressed?
[02:23] <ScottL> iHaku, i think that lies with cory at the moment
[02:23] <ScottL> i believe he has made progress and should have something after this weekend to upload the repos
[02:27] <iHaku> Great.  I look forward to testing Studio in this release cycle.
[02:38] <ScottL> good!  we look forward to you testing it :)
[02:38] <ScottL> i'm still not certain that we will have a proper image to test until alpha 2 unfortunately
[02:39] <ScottL> which is a bit bothersome and makes me a little uncomfortable
[04:38] <Kokito> howdy
[04:38] <Kokito> long time no see you folks
[04:39] <ScottL> hi Kokito 
[04:39] <ScottL> how are you doing?
[04:40] <Kokito> busy like crazy, but I will survive ScottL :)
[04:40] <Kokito> flying out this Saturday
[04:40] <Kokito> hey ScottL , going to try to give you what I owe you tonight or tomorrow morning
[04:41] <ScottL> that sounds good, is it something you can email me or will it require something else Kokito ?
[04:42] <Kokito> will email you the DB dump and will ZIP all the files and put it up somewhere where you can download it from
[04:43] <ScottL> muy bueno
[04:43] <ScottL> i'm off to bed
[04:43] <Kokito> haha!
[04:43] <Kokito> have a good night ScottL 
[06:05]  * saidinesh5 is feeling like a chimpanzee when trying to coordinate both his hands together on kis keyboard......
[06:05] <saidinesh5> ever since i ve joined #ubuntustudio , i ve made it a point to practise some music everyday :D
[14:07] <falktx> hi everyone
[14:07] <scott-work> i'm still working on the xfce menu patch...sunday and yesterday did not turn out like i had hoped
[14:07] <scott-work> falktx: ^^^
[14:08] <scott-work> i should have it banged out either tonight or tomorrow
[14:08] <falktx> scott-work: i just now realized all US bugs are reported to me too
[14:09] <scott-work> lol...yeah they are :)
[14:09] <falktx> scott-work: so I kinda expected the last bug to be about KXStudio, while it was really US
[14:09] <falktx> (the ISO install issue)
[14:09] <scott-work> falktx:  on the same topic, there are quite a few bugs about ubuntustudio-menu which doesn't remove or somethign correctly, do you think that is something you might be able to sort out quickly?
[14:09] <scott-work> or will your menu patch possibly fix this as well?
[14:10] <falktx> scott-work: the patch fix the non-removed items
[14:11] <falktx> scott-work: please take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/796270
[14:12] <scott-work> falktx: i've read a bit on that bug and i do not have a clue on how to address it
[14:13] <falktx> scott-work: we don't have to do anything, it's ubuntu's fault
[14:13] <scott-work> i usually add the separate /hiome directory after installing
[14:13] <scott-work> other distros will allow a separate /home directory during installation :(
[14:14] <falktx> such as ubuntu
[14:14] <falktx> scott-work: I use this method too
[14:14] <falktx> (separate home and root9
[14:16] <falktx> we should link it to these bugs:
[14:16] <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[14:17] <falktx> scott-work: I don't know how to link those bugs though...
[14:17] <scott-work> falktx: ubuntu has an option to use a separate /home directory during installation?
[14:17] <falktx> scott-work: yes, from quite some time
[14:18] <scott-work> falktx: where it is during the installation?
[14:18] <falktx> scott-work: you can even install /usr/local on a separate partition too
[14:18] <falktx> scott-work: the disk setup
[14:18] <falktx> (always in the disk setup)
[14:18] <scott-work> is this during the partition part?  manual partitioning?
[14:19] <falktx> scott-work: on the alternate cd/dvd you'll have to do things manually. on the live-cd you have a GUI option for it
[14:19] <scott-work> falktx: that's totally bizarre, i've never seen this option!
[14:20] <falktx> lol
[14:20] <scott-work> falktx: now i'm worried that i've missed it before
[14:20] <charlie-tca> It's not actually highly visible
[14:20] <charlie-tca> and is there for manual partitioning, not automatic partition, right?
[14:20] <falktx> nope, it's more like an avanced feature
[14:21] <scott-work> i've an extra computer and i'll install natty or maverick and see if i can find it
[14:21] <falktx> charlie-tca: in the ubuntu live-cd, if you don't have any partitions on disk, it will propose a separate home partition
[14:21] <charlie-tca> really?
[14:21] <falktx> if the disk already has stuff, ubuntu proposes to install ubuntu + old stuff resized
[14:22] <falktx> charlie-tca: yes, I'm 80% sure...
[14:22] <charlie-tca> Maybe I haven't used a new disk in too long
[14:22]  * falktx re-formats his PC very often
[14:22] <charlie-tca> I run installs every day or two, but usually have the disk with partitions already
[14:27] <scott-work> i am highly intrigued now, tonight i shall use gparted to format the entire disc first as one partition, then i will install natty as an experiment
[14:27] <scott-work> falktx: ^^^ this should propose a separate home parition, no?
[14:27] <falktx> scott-work: yes, on the live-cd
[14:28] <falktx> let me try to get a screen
[14:28] <scott-work> right, with the live-cd
[14:29] <falktx> hm, I only have the linux mint cd here
[14:32] <charlie-tca> scott-work: I want to know if it works for you
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I have never had it propose that on a guided install
[14:35] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i'd be glad to let you know, i've never had it propose to me either
[14:36] <falktx> I hope I'm not confusing Ubuntu with OpenSUSE on this
[14:36] <falktx> I'm already downloading the official 32bit iso just to test this
[15:01] <scott-work> lol
[15:11] <holstein> saidinesh5: thats good news
[15:11] <holstein> o/ everybody :)
[15:11]  * charlie-tca waves
[15:11] <holstein> saidinesh5: ive been playing more piano and guitar myself
[15:11] <saidinesh5> holstein: :)
actually the  interesting thing is i ve met a pretty junior girl, who is interested in both signal processing math and music (isnt it awsome combination!!)</secret>
[15:13] <saidinesh5> :P
[15:13] <holstein> good times
[15:13] <saidinesh5> So i have been digging up more and more resources, and she even writes for the college magazine
[15:14] <saidinesh5> so we shall even have a nice wiki of how to do things :)
[15:15] <saidinesh5> holstein: you got any tips for getting better co ordinating both hands?
[15:15] <saidinesh5> looks like i still suck miserably , when trying good pieces like turkish march .....
[15:15] <saidinesh5> or anything else....
[15:16] <saidinesh5> i can play both fine when using single hand, no matter which......
[15:16] <holstein> saidinesh5: actually, i do
[15:16] <saidinesh5> :D
[15:16] <holstein> drumming
[15:16] <saidinesh5> drumming??
[15:16] <holstein> even if its just with your hands on a book, or a table
[15:16] <saidinesh5> Oh i do that *all* the time
[15:16] <holstein> looking at rudiments
[15:16] <holstein> paradiddles
[15:17] <holstein> hemiolas
[15:17] <holstein> anything thats challenging like that
[15:17]  * saidinesh5 is googling
[15:17]  * saidinesh5 never had any formal music training.... its just play by ear, or play via. computer :P
[15:17] <holstein> get the notes out of the equation, and get the body making the large overall movements of the rhythyms
[15:18] <scott-work> hi holstein 
[15:18] <holstein> scott-work: YO
[15:18]  * saidinesh5 waves at scott-work
[15:18] <holstein> saidinesh5: im the kind of musician that will argue you have been formally training yourself :)
[15:19] <saidinesh5> :D
[15:19] <saidinesh5> i mean its been quite a while since i started my keyboard..... like around 7 years....... last 4 years it kinda broke (it still is).....so turned to the flute
[15:20] <holstein> making yourself play nice even sounding steady notes while switching hands like
[15:20] <holstein> R L R L R L R L R R L L R R L L 
[15:20] <holstein> making that ^^ sound like you *didnt* change hands
[15:21] <holstein> then some trickier things like R L R L R L R L R L L R R L L R 
[15:21] <holstein> thats actually subtly challenging, and something even the most seasoned percussionist can alway work on
[15:21] <holstein> or the total beginner
[15:22]  * saidinesh5 was trying that out on his laptop
[15:22] <holstein> with a metronome too, really slow is fine
[15:23] <holstein> do this when you're alone, you dont want to try and impress your new girlfriend by doing it faster and faster ;)
[15:23] <holstein> slow and steady is the idea
[15:23] <saidinesh5> :)
[15:23] <holstein> i always say, practice make permanent
[15:23] <holstein> so, you just want to do it right
[15:23] <holstein> no matter what
[15:24] <holstein> even if its SUPER slow
[15:24] <saidinesh5> hmm... yaa....... already on it.......
[15:25] <saidinesh5> oh btw. holstein , is LADSPA still the standard when it comes to dsp plugins in linux audio??
[15:26] <saidinesh5> or am i a bit outdated?
[15:26] <holstein> good question
[15:27] <holstein> i think theres a newer set
[15:28] <saidinesh5> LV2 ?
[15:29] <holstein> saidinesh5: you should get the OSMP channel talking about it
[15:29] <holstein> i dont follow that enough to stay current
[15:29]  * saidinesh5 takes this question to OSMP ..... 
[16:21] <falktx> scott-work: charlie-tca1: I just noticed natty no longer has the separate home partition option now
[16:22] <falktx> they totally changed the installer app!
[16:22] <falktx> :(
[16:22] <falktx> I know I saw that option at some time...
[16:22] <saidinesh5> yes falktx, even i remember looking at it last time when i didnt use Wubi
[16:22] <scott-work> oh, so can i guess we can close that bug and say "won't fix" and tell them to file a bug against ubuntu to add that option
[16:23] <scott-work> or "invalid" perhaps would be better
[16:23] <falktx> scott-work: well, the bug happened on the alternate installer, not the live-cd
[16:23] <scott-work> falktx: have you used the TAL plugins (i know their in kxstudio)
[16:23] <falktx> scott-work: yes, they are quite good, specially the synth
[16:24] <scott-work> i think i'll file a bug with debian multimedia team to request packaging then
[16:24]  * scott-work is always looking for new plugins to include
[16:24] <falktx> scott-work: not possible, err... VSTs...
[16:24] <scott-work> falktx: oh...didn't realize that
[16:24] <scott-work> they looked soooo good too :(
[16:24] <falktx> scott-work: I'm trying to make them work as DSSI though
[16:25] <falktx> but I can only work on them later
[16:25] <falktx> anyway, right now, for VSTs, debs are here:
[16:25] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1547496/+listing-archive-extra
[16:25] <falktx> qtractor handles these (kinda)
[16:25] <charlie-tca1> That option went away maybe 2 releases ago, I think
[16:25] <scott-work> falktx: i just saw this:  http://www.renoise.com/board/index.php?/topic/27843-tal-plugins-native-linux-versions/
[16:25] <scott-work> says native linux versions
[16:26] <falktx> yes
[16:26] <falktx> I compiled them
[16:26] <scott-work> oh, lol
[16:26] <charlie-tca1> The only way to have separate root and /home is manually partitioning, and you can do it with the alternate cd
[16:27] <charlie-tca1> live cd does not allow you to enter the partition names, so you have to use the partitions they have named in the partition window.
[16:27] <falktx> scott-work: not sure if I already told you, but I plan to make a mega linux plugin pack, containing lots of (native) ladspa, dssi, lv2 and vsts
[16:28] <scott-work> that would be awesome
[16:28] <falktx> all pre-compiled for 32 and 64bit
[16:28] <falktx> I think the community really needs pre-compiled plugins now
[17:25] <scott-work> holstein: i was going to post meeting minutes but it looks like the motboot did a good job
[17:29] <holstein> scott-work: yeah, i got the minutes from the bot, and i copied and pasted it from my session
[17:30] <scott-work> there were a few other things that would be nice to document or mention but i'm not sure it's worth doing another list
[17:30] <scott-work> "things" = other mentions that weren't picked up by the bot
[20:00] <astraljava> Huh... luckily Startup Disk Creator worked even though it complained about incorrect version "GNU/Linux" on debian 6.0 netinst iso. :D
[20:28] <scott-work_> astraljava: is that for the mudita24 build?
[20:29] <astraljava> scott-work_: Yeah, gotta test that the package rolls a working application.
[20:29] <scott-work_> at some point i should really have a debian install somewhere
[20:30] <scott-work_> and i'm "old school", i still like images burned to CDs that i install onto harddrive
[20:30] <scott-work_> which is actually not a very efficient use admittedly
[20:30] <astraljava> Yeah I normally do that too, but since now I have a test machine that boots from a usb drive, I save on discs. :D
[20:31] <scott-work_> yeah, i know :(
[21:58]  * astraljava is finding the delving into debian a cool change of pace, got distracted for a while on #debian-devel @ irc.debian.org :D
[21:59] <astraljava> Although I do seem to make it as ubuntu-like as possible, I guess I got used to some habits already, which are now hard to die.
[22:07] <astraljava> NP: Royal Hunt - Moving Target (album), man... I had forgotten what a masterpiece this is.
[22:19] <astraljava> Sorry for the blatant plug, but clearly all the greatest musicians come from Finland. Sibelius, Alexi Laiho, and the Porkka Playboys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLsjBDPe5c&feature=share
[22:23] <astraljava> Apologies for prolonging a stupid joke, but if you need something heavier, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IoKkHrjY&feature=share
[22:33] <astraljava> Hmmm... well, at least the package is installable on an up-to-date sid. Just don't have a proper sound card there, which the application correctly reports. Does that count as success? :D
[22:33] <astraljava> I need to buy a few more hard drives.
[22:33] <astraljava> Looks like I need to have several differents systems running on this same machine.
[23:28] <ScottL> astraljava, how many do you think you will need?
[23:29] <astraljava> ScottL: Well, to be effectively testing on at least the latest LTS and current stable, develop on current devel and sid, plus a data disk, that means 5. :)
[23:34] <astraljava> Okay, I've got one already, as the other one crapped out just mere weeks ago. Fortunately didn't have any precious data on it.
[23:34] <astraljava> So, 4 more. I can live with 3 only, as I've got a usb drive, that can act as the data drive.
[23:35] <astraljava> But still I need to figure out a sensible /home organization, as they can't possibly share a mutual one.
[23:35] <astraljava> Okay, done for the day. Can still catch a few hours of sleep before the work begins. G'night! :)
[23:36] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I use a 80Gb drive with separate root and /home for each installation. give root about 6GB and home 4gb.
[23:37] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Impossible, as I need to be able to do "guided - use whole disk" test cases.
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. For that I have a separate 20gb drive
[23:39] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yep. And also, I often wanna play quite a bit on different releases. For that I need space. For instance, a couple of games eat several gigabytes (the sources).
[23:40] <charlie-tca> true also
[23:40] <charlie-tca> That's why I use the 80GB drive. I can give some installs more space with it.
[23:40] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Obviously I could use the data disk for storing those, but there are cases when it doesn't work.
[23:43] <astraljava> But what with the prices of the disks these days...
[23:44] <ScottL> i couldn't fit five drives into any of my cases :P
[23:45] <charlie-tca> heh, I guess mine might be a bit old. I can get them in the case, but the motherboard usually handles 4
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I have one case holds 5 x 3.5 drives, plus 4 x 5.25 drives
[23:46] <charlie-tca> and, yes, it is a big case