[00:55] * TheMuso sighs. Ralf just doesn't get it. [01:50] TheMuso, why do you say this? [01:50] * ScottL doesn't disagree necessarily, just interested in this particular instance [01:51] Maybe I misread, but I don't think he understands the manpower issues that all free software projects face. [01:57] i have found ralf to have a uniquely interesting perspective for many topics [02:21] How has the work on the new desktop progressed? [02:23] iHaku, i think that lies with cory at the moment [02:23] i believe he has made progress and should have something after this weekend to upload the repos [02:27] Great. I look forward to testing Studio in this release cycle. [02:38] good! we look forward to you testing it :) [02:38] i'm still not certain that we will have a proper image to test until alpha 2 unfortunately [02:39] which is a bit bothersome and makes me a little uncomfortable [04:38] howdy [04:38] long time no see you folks [04:39] hi Kokito [04:39] how are you doing? [04:40] busy like crazy, but I will survive ScottL :) [04:40] flying out this Saturday [04:40] hey ScottL , going to try to give you what I owe you tonight or tomorrow morning [04:41] that sounds good, is it something you can email me or will it require something else Kokito ? [04:42] will email you the DB dump and will ZIP all the files and put it up somewhere where you can download it from [04:43] muy bueno [04:43] i'm off to bed [04:43] haha! [04:43] have a good night ScottL [06:05] * saidinesh5 is feeling like a chimpanzee when trying to coordinate both his hands together on kis keyboard...... [06:05] ever since i ve joined #ubuntustudio , i ve made it a point to practise some music everyday :D [14:07] hi everyone [14:07] i'm still working on the xfce menu patch...sunday and yesterday did not turn out like i had hoped [14:07] falktx: ^^^ [14:08] i should have it banged out either tonight or tomorrow [14:08] scott-work: i just now realized all US bugs are reported to me too [14:09] lol...yeah they are :) [14:09] scott-work: so I kinda expected the last bug to be about KXStudio, while it was really US [14:09] (the ISO install issue) [14:09] falktx: on the same topic, there are quite a few bugs about ubuntustudio-menu which doesn't remove or somethign correctly, do you think that is something you might be able to sort out quickly? [14:09] or will your menu patch possibly fix this as well? [14:10] scott-work: the patch fix the non-removed items [14:11] scott-work: please take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/796270 [14:11] Ubuntu bug 796270 in Ubuntu Studio "Installer failure ---separate / and /home partitions" [Undecided,New] [14:12] falktx: i've read a bit on that bug and i do not have a clue on how to address it [14:13] scott-work: we don't have to do anything, it's ubuntu's fault [14:13] i usually add the separate /hiome directory after installing [14:13] other distros will allow a separate /home directory during installation :( [14:14] such as ubuntu [14:14] scott-work: I use this method too [14:14] (separate home and root9 [14:16] we should link it to these bugs: [14:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer [14:17] scott-work: I don't know how to link those bugs though... [14:17] falktx: ubuntu has an option to use a separate /home directory during installation? [14:17] scott-work: yes, from quite some time [14:18] falktx: where it is during the installation? [14:18] scott-work: you can even install /usr/local on a separate partition too [14:18] scott-work: the disk setup [14:18] (always in the disk setup) [14:18] is this during the partition part? manual partitioning? [14:19] scott-work: on the alternate cd/dvd you'll have to do things manually. on the live-cd you have a GUI option for it [14:19] falktx: that's totally bizarre, i've never seen this option! [14:20] lol [14:20] falktx: now i'm worried that i've missed it before [14:20] It's not actually highly visible [14:20] and is there for manual partitioning, not automatic partition, right? [14:20] nope, it's more like an avanced feature [14:21] i've an extra computer and i'll install natty or maverick and see if i can find it [14:21] charlie-tca: in the ubuntu live-cd, if you don't have any partitions on disk, it will propose a separate home partition [14:21] really? [14:21] if the disk already has stuff, ubuntu proposes to install ubuntu + old stuff resized [14:22] charlie-tca: yes, I'm 80% sure... [14:22] Maybe I haven't used a new disk in too long [14:22] * falktx re-formats his PC very often [14:22] I run installs every day or two, but usually have the disk with partitions already [14:27] i am highly intrigued now, tonight i shall use gparted to format the entire disc first as one partition, then i will install natty as an experiment [14:27] falktx: ^^^ this should propose a separate home parition, no? [14:27] scott-work: yes, on the live-cd [14:28] let me try to get a screen [14:28] right, with the live-cd [14:29] hm, I only have the linux mint cd here [14:32] scott-work: I want to know if it works for you [14:32] I have never had it propose that on a guided install [14:35] charlie-tca: i'd be glad to let you know, i've never had it propose to me either [14:36] I hope I'm not confusing Ubuntu with OpenSUSE on this [14:36] I'm already downloading the official 32bit iso just to test this [15:01] lol [15:11] saidinesh5: thats good news [15:11] o/ everybody :) [15:11] * charlie-tca waves [15:11] saidinesh5: ive been playing more piano and guitar myself [15:11] holstein: :) [15:13] actually the interesting thing is i ve met a pretty junior girl, who is interested in both signal processing math and music (isnt it awsome combination!!) [15:13] :P [15:13] good times [15:13] So i have been digging up more and more resources, and she even writes for the college magazine [15:14] so we shall even have a nice wiki of how to do things :) [15:15] holstein: you got any tips for getting better co ordinating both hands? [15:15] looks like i still suck miserably , when trying good pieces like turkish march ..... [15:15] or anything else.... [15:16] i can play both fine when using single hand, no matter which...... [15:16] saidinesh5: actually, i do [15:16] :D [15:16] drumming [15:16] drumming?? [15:16] even if its just with your hands on a book, or a table [15:16] Oh i do that *all* the time [15:16] looking at rudiments [15:16] paradiddles [15:17] hemiolas [15:17] anything thats challenging like that [15:17] * saidinesh5 is googling [15:17] * saidinesh5 never had any formal music training.... its just play by ear, or play via. computer :P [15:17] get the notes out of the equation, and get the body making the large overall movements of the rhythyms [15:18] hi holstein [15:18] scott-work: YO [15:18] * saidinesh5 waves at scott-work [15:18] saidinesh5: im the kind of musician that will argue you have been formally training yourself :) [15:19] :D [15:19] i mean its been quite a while since i started my keyboard..... like around 7 years....... last 4 years it kinda broke (it still is).....so turned to the flute [15:20] making yourself play nice even sounding steady notes while switching hands like [15:20] R L R L R L R L R R L L R R L L [15:20] making that ^^ sound like you *didnt* change hands [15:21] then some trickier things like R L R L R L R L R L L R R L L R [15:21] thats actually subtly challenging, and something even the most seasoned percussionist can alway work on [15:21] or the total beginner [15:22] * saidinesh5 was trying that out on his laptop [15:22] with a metronome too, really slow is fine [15:23] do this when you're alone, you dont want to try and impress your new girlfriend by doing it faster and faster ;) [15:23] slow and steady is the idea [15:23] :) [15:23] i always say, practice make permanent [15:23] so, you just want to do it right [15:23] no matter what [15:24] even if its SUPER slow [15:24] hmm... yaa....... already on it....... [15:25] oh btw. holstein , is LADSPA still the standard when it comes to dsp plugins in linux audio?? [15:26] or am i a bit outdated? [15:26] good question [15:27] i think theres a newer set [15:28] LV2 ? [15:29] saidinesh5: you should get the OSMP channel talking about it [15:29] i dont follow that enough to stay current [15:29] * saidinesh5 takes this question to OSMP ..... === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca1 [16:21] scott-work: charlie-tca1: I just noticed natty no longer has the separate home partition option now [16:22] they totally changed the installer app! [16:22] :( [16:22] I know I saw that option at some time... [16:22] yes falktx, even i remember looking at it last time when i didnt use Wubi [16:22] oh, so can i guess we can close that bug and say "won't fix" and tell them to file a bug against ubuntu to add that option [16:23] or "invalid" perhaps would be better [16:23] scott-work: well, the bug happened on the alternate installer, not the live-cd [16:23] falktx: have you used the TAL plugins (i know their in kxstudio) [16:23] scott-work: yes, they are quite good, specially the synth [16:24] i think i'll file a bug with debian multimedia team to request packaging then [16:24] * scott-work is always looking for new plugins to include [16:24] scott-work: not possible, err... VSTs... [16:24] falktx: oh...didn't realize that [16:24] they looked soooo good too :( [16:24] scott-work: I'm trying to make them work as DSSI though [16:25] but I can only work on them later [16:25] anyway, right now, for VSTs, debs are here: [16:25] https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1547496/+listing-archive-extra [16:25] qtractor handles these (kinda) [16:25] That option went away maybe 2 releases ago, I think [16:25] falktx: i just saw this: http://www.renoise.com/board/index.php?/topic/27843-tal-plugins-native-linux-versions/ [16:25] says native linux versions [16:26] yes [16:26] I compiled them [16:26] oh, lol [16:26] The only way to have separate root and /home is manually partitioning, and you can do it with the alternate cd [16:27] live cd does not allow you to enter the partition names, so you have to use the partitions they have named in the partition window. [16:27] scott-work: not sure if I already told you, but I plan to make a mega linux plugin pack, containing lots of (native) ladspa, dssi, lv2 and vsts [16:28] that would be awesome [16:28] all pre-compiled for 32 and 64bit [16:28] I think the community really needs pre-compiled plugins now [17:25] holstein: i was going to post meeting minutes but it looks like the motboot did a good job [17:29] scott-work: yeah, i got the minutes from the bot, and i copied and pasted it from my session [17:30] there were a few other things that would be nice to document or mention but i'm not sure it's worth doing another list [17:30] "things" = other mentions that weren't picked up by the bot [20:00] Huh... luckily Startup Disk Creator worked even though it complained about incorrect version "GNU/Linux" on debian 6.0 netinst iso. :D [20:28] astraljava: is that for the mudita24 build? [20:29] scott-work_: Yeah, gotta test that the package rolls a working application. [20:29] at some point i should really have a debian install somewhere [20:30] and i'm "old school", i still like images burned to CDs that i install onto harddrive [20:30] which is actually not a very efficient use admittedly [20:30] Yeah I normally do that too, but since now I have a test machine that boots from a usb drive, I save on discs. :D [20:31] yeah, i know :( [21:58] * astraljava is finding the delving into debian a cool change of pace, got distracted for a while on #debian-devel @ irc.debian.org :D [21:59] Although I do seem to make it as ubuntu-like as possible, I guess I got used to some habits already, which are now hard to die. [22:07] NP: Royal Hunt - Moving Target (album), man... I had forgotten what a masterpiece this is. [22:19] Sorry for the blatant plug, but clearly all the greatest musicians come from Finland. Sibelius, Alexi Laiho, and the Porkka Playboys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLsjBDPe5c&feature=share [22:23] Apologies for prolonging a stupid joke, but if you need something heavier, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IoKkHrjY&feature=share [22:33] Hmmm... well, at least the package is installable on an up-to-date sid. Just don't have a proper sound card there, which the application correctly reports. Does that count as success? :D [22:33] I need to buy a few more hard drives. [22:33] Looks like I need to have several differents systems running on this same machine. [23:28] astraljava, how many do you think you will need? [23:29] ScottL: Well, to be effectively testing on at least the latest LTS and current stable, develop on current devel and sid, plus a data disk, that means 5. :) [23:34] Okay, I've got one already, as the other one crapped out just mere weeks ago. Fortunately didn't have any precious data on it. [23:34] So, 4 more. I can live with 3 only, as I've got a usb drive, that can act as the data drive. [23:35] But still I need to figure out a sensible /home organization, as they can't possibly share a mutual one. [23:35] Okay, done for the day. Can still catch a few hours of sleep before the work begins. G'night! :) [23:36] astraljava: I use a 80Gb drive with separate root and /home for each installation. give root about 6GB and home 4gb. [23:37] charlie-tca: Impossible, as I need to be able to do "guided - use whole disk" test cases. [23:38] Oh, yeah. For that I have a separate 20gb drive [23:39] charlie-tca: Yep. And also, I often wanna play quite a bit on different releases. For that I need space. For instance, a couple of games eat several gigabytes (the sources). [23:40] true also [23:40] That's why I use the 80GB drive. I can give some installs more space with it. [23:40] charlie-tca: Obviously I could use the data disk for storing those, but there are cases when it doesn't work. [23:43] But what with the prices of the disks these days... [23:44] i couldn't fit five drives into any of my cases :P [23:45] heh, I guess mine might be a bit old. I can get them in the case, but the motherboard usually handles 4 [23:46] I have one case holds 5 x 3.5 drives, plus 4 x 5.25 drives [23:46] and, yes, it is a big case