[02:45] <AngelofThunder> hi everybody
[02:46] <AngelofThunder> i have a problem with the mbr and grub...
[02:49] <orngjce223> You may want #ubuntu
[02:50] <orngjce223> There are less people in here and we don't do stuff with the boot process
[02:50] <AngelofThunder> i have severall linux versions installed, and after installing the last one, the ubuntustudio wasnt mentioned anymore in the grub bootloader, so i tried to reinstall grub with the ubuntulivedvd, but theres no list anymore, with fatal error showing no such directory, an than loading automaticly ubuntustudio, without the choice for the others!!! Can anyone help me please?
[02:51] <AngelofThunder> aha? who can help me than instead if nobody here can? :-(((
[02:53] <AngelofThunder> hey orngjce those people from ubuntu reffered my to here as they found the problem was one of ubuntustudio?
[02:55] <holstein> AngelofThunder: whats going on?
[02:55] <orngjce223> ?
[02:55] <AngelofThunder> searching for solution to my problem holstein?
[02:55] <orngjce223> We don't do anything with the mbr or grub
[02:56] <orngjce223> :c
[02:56] <AngelofThunder> is there a specialised channel for grub mbr or mutlitboot problems?
[02:57] <holstein> AngelofThunder: well, what orngjce223 is trying to say is, that grub is generic
[02:58] <holstein> you can go to any #ubuntu channels
[02:58] <holstein> BUT, whats going on?
[02:58]  * holstein reading
[02:58] <AngelofThunder> what do you mean with whats going on holstein, cant follow?
[02:59] <holstein> AngelofThunder: what ubuntu live DVD did you try and use to recover grub?
[02:59] <holstein> AFAIK, there is no ubuntu live DVD
[02:59] <holstein> only CD"s
[02:59] <AngelofThunder> think the latest
[02:59] <AngelofThunder> or almost
[02:59] <holstein> AngelofThunder: right, it shouldnt be a DVD
[02:59] <AngelofThunder> 10,10
[02:59] <holstein> AngelofThunder: go and check
[02:59] <holstein> you'll need a *normal* ubuntu live CD
[02:59] <holstein> and you can recover grub
[03:00] <AngelofThunder> hmmm i was burning the image to a dvd but ok lol
[03:00] <holstein> AngelofThunder: you can burn to whatever you want
[03:00] <holstein> but the size matters
[03:00] <AngelofThunder> even after the reinstall of it?
[03:00] <holstein> if you say 'i downloaded a 1.2 gb iso
[03:00] <holstein> i say, you didnt get the ubuntu live CD image
[03:00] <holstein> thats why im asking you to reiterate what you downloaded
[03:01] <holstein> AngelofThunder: how about this... let me tell you what iso to get...
[03:02] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[03:02] <holstein> burn that to DVD or CD or whatever, and refer to...
[03:02] <AngelofThunder> ubuntustudio flavor of ubuntu from the official ubuntustudio.org site version 10.10
[03:03] <AngelofThunder> what does this iso have what my other versions dont have?
[03:03] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB2
[03:03] <holstein> AngelofThunder: ubuntustudio is not live
[03:03] <holstein> you cant easily recover grub with it
[03:04] <holstein> you cant easily do that with any of the alternate installers, such as the server installs
[03:04] <holstein> AngelofThunder: what does your hard drive look like?
[03:04] <AngelofThunder> ok i see
[03:04] <holstein> does it look like all the installations are there?
[03:04] <holstein> and nothing is out of place?
[03:04] <holstein> get that live cd, and run in a terminal
[03:05] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[03:05] <holstein> make sure that looks like what you expect it to
[03:05] <holstein> then, use a live CD (like the one i linked) and use that link for grub2
[03:05] <holstein> AngelofThunder: actually, what is happening now?
[03:05] <holstein> when you boot?
[03:06] <holstein> AngelofThunder: what installation installed grub?
[03:06] <AngelofThunder> what i meant was after the ubuntustudioline in the bootloader had disappeared, i was reexecuting the ubuntustudio install in rescue mode, and from there reinstalled grub, so that it might have been overwritten!?
[03:06] <holstein> AngelofThunder: either way, if the partitions are still in place, you *can* recover it
[03:07] <AngelofThunder> ok
[03:07] <AngelofThunder> so the fdisk thing i could try with my live gparted, as well? and try recover it...
[03:08] <holstein> AngelofThunder: fdisk -l is literally going to list your partitions
[03:08] <holstein> its not going to do anything else
[03:08] <holstein> if i were you, i would want to see each linux partition
[03:09] <holstein> confirm that its where i think its supposed to be
[03:09] <holstein> then, i would know that grub can be made to see them
[03:09] <holstein> otherwise, you've done something more destructive to the disk than what you are aware of
[03:10] <AngelofThunder> ok the partitions are still as follows
[03:11] <AngelofThunder> theres one harddisk on sda
[03:11] <AngelofThunder> following partitions
[03:12] <holstein> well, it wont do any good to list them to me
[03:12] <holstein> unless you tell me what is supposed to be there
[03:12] <holstein> i know what my disks look and are supposed to look like
[03:12] <holstein> and i can help you figure that out if you'd like
[03:13] <holstein> AngelofThunder: you can just copy and paste that output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[03:13] <holstein> and tell me what is installed where and why
[03:19] <AngelofThunder> sda1 as generall swap partition, sda2 with ubuntustudio, sda3 with mythbuntu and on extended but same disk, sda5 ubuntu easypeasy and finally sda6 as data as empty fat32!? all for testing purposes, but after the last distro on sda5 installed, grub didnt list ubuntustudio on sda2 anymore, thats why i reinstalled grub with the ubuntustio installation cd hopping that it will rewrite the lost...
[03:19] <AngelofThunder> ...entry with ubuntustudio to the grub bootloader but the result was a fatal error of modprep couldnt find no such filedirectory and after few seconds automatically loading ubuntustio!!! Hoping that was what you wanted to know holstein!??
[03:20] <holstein> AngelofThunder: also, for the futute
[03:20] <holstein> for the most part, all of the buntu's are the same
[03:21] <holstein> for example, you have mythbuntu installed
[03:21] <holstein> you want the audio stuff from ubuntustudio, you run
[03:21] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[03:21] <holstein> OR, you just install the packages you want
[03:21] <holstein> like sudo apt-get install jack ardour, whatever
[03:22] <holstein> if i want the myth frontend, i dont *have* to install mythbuntu and dual boot
[03:22] <holstein> i can just install that in my ubuntustudio install, or a normal ubuntu install
[03:23] <holstein> !vanilla
[03:23] <holstein> anyways.. im not sure whats going on AngelofThunder
[03:23] <holstein> i can tell you the way i do it
[03:23] <holstein> i have a testing laptop
[03:23] <holstein> i have 10.04 on there
[03:23] <holstein> i shrank the partition and put 10.10
[03:23] <holstein> i did *not* install grub from that 10.10 install
[03:24] <holstein> i then booted back into 10.04, ran sudo update-grub , and all is well
[03:24] <holstein> i did that same procedure when i installed 11.04
[03:24] <holstein> if i ever want to get rid of 10.10 and 11.04, i'll just remove the partitions, and resize over them, and run sudo update-grub from 10.04 again
[03:25] <holstein> AngelofThunder: for you, im not sure what you did to break grub, but i assure you, if those linux partitions are intact
[03:25] <holstein> you can recover them
[03:26] <holstein> and this says how https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling
[03:28] <AngelofThunder> ok thank you very much holstein, will try all that and see if it works maybe this command of sudo update-grub will also solve the problem... thank you anyway
[03:29] <holstein> AngelofThunder: if you can get into *any* of those installs, it should
[03:30] <AngelofThunder> yeah i can get into ubuntustudio so may i try this first before reading the grub link lol ;-)
[03:31] <holstein> AngelofThunder: theres also other bootloaders
[03:31] <holstein> plop
[03:31] <holstein> GAG
[03:33] <AngelofThunder> but by the way an other question why is there still no livedvd of ubuntustudio, thougt i was trying before this to install the iso simply by unetbootin on the usbdrive with no success at booting, lol!?
[03:34] <AngelofThunder> this was by the way the reason why i installed it to test and to finally see if ubuntustudio, artistx or puredyne would be the best choice!? :-)
[03:38] <holstein> AngelofThunder: well, there are lots of live ubuntu based distros
[03:39] <holstein> hopefully, by 12.04 we will have a live installer
[03:39] <holstein> if you are interested
[03:39] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892
[03:39] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[03:40] <holstein> AngelofThunder: theres KXstudio, gnuguitarinix, and puredyne
[03:40] <holstein> also, AVlinux is debian based and live
[03:41] <holstein> its all the same stuff though pretty much... JACK and ardour and the usual suspects
[03:44] <AngelofThunder> yeah your right thank you but this is just one of the major problems of linux theres a very large choice of distros instead of one which does it all, and finally always lets open the big question of which is best, even that there are just details, but those details of package contents make it very hard to take the best decision! :-)
[03:44] <holstein> ?
[03:44] <holstein> its linux
[03:44] <holstein> you can make the one that you want for yourself
[03:45] <holstein> as soon as you make that perfect distro that does it all, someone else will complain to you about what you got wrong ;)
[03:45] <holstein> you cant please everyone
[03:45] <holstein> like i said, its linux... the best you can do is just learn the tools, i suggest starting with JACK
[03:45] <holstein> and go from there in the analog or MIDI direction
[03:46] <AngelofThunder> yeah thats right
[03:53] <AngelofThunder> by the way is there anywhere a list with all avaibale commands such as update grub sudo and so on, which i could look up in case i would be in trouble again, and finding a fast solution?
[03:54] <holstein> that wiki link is great..
[03:54] <holstein> !grub2
[03:56] <AngelofThunder> no i meant in generall for linux not specifique as for grub lol
[03:58] <AngelofThunder> by the way your command sudo update-grub worked great, everything works now as it should, thank you very much again, holstein! :-)
[03:59] <holstein> AngelofThunder: :)
[03:59] <holstein> i forget about that sometimes
[03:59] <holstein> thats the easy first step thing that sometimes i assume folks have already tried
[04:00] <holstein> AngelofThunder: for commands, i think its a good idea to get in mind a task, and then just google, or come in here and ask
[04:00] <holstein> i have a sever machine
[04:00] <holstein> headless
[04:00] <holstein> that was the purpose of it, to teach me the CLI
[04:00] <holstein> force me to use it
[04:00] <AngelofThunder> lol you see its always those neat little thinks to find to make something work
[04:01] <holstein> well, it *should* have worked after the install
[04:01] <holstein> not sure what happened there
[04:02] <AngelofThunder> lol i was thinking it would be eassier to have a list with all the commands thought only reading this one, most people should figure out just by the logic of the command name which one should solve there problems! :-)
[04:03] <orngjce223> Here's a cool command
[04:03] <orngjce223> "apropos"
[04:03] <orngjce223> You can use it to search for what command you should actually use
[04:04] <orngjce223> like "apropos font" or "apropos rss"
[04:04]  * holstein high-fives orngjce223 
[04:04] <holstein> i didnt know about that one
[04:04] <orngjce223> Awesome
[04:05] <holstein> orngjce223: is that only installed apps?
[04:05] <holstein> or does it suggest things from the repo?
[04:05] <orngjce223> Last I checked it includes the repositories
[04:05] <holstein> handy
[04:05] <orngjce223> I guess you could do the same thing with apt-cache search too if you wanted
[04:05] <orngjce223> "apt-cache search internets"
[04:05] <holstein> i use apt-cache search a lot
[04:05] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[04:06] <orngjce223> I think apropos specifically returns commands instead of package names though
[04:06] <orngjce223> So it's useful in some circumstances
[04:07] <AngelofThunder> someone suggested simply tap twice tab and than ym lol:-)
[04:08] <orngjce223> hahaha
[04:09] <AngelofThunder> ok thanks a lot for the help guys, wish you a nice day and maybe read ya soon again! bb
[04:09] <holstein> AngelofThunder: laterx
[04:40] <sikil> hola raza... greetings from mexico.
[04:40] <orngjce223> Hello
[04:42] <sikil> i'm new to ubuntustudio and i just tought to come and say hi and see how many people where over here...
[21:33] <fladd> hi there
[21:33] <holstein> o/
[21:33] <fladd> quick question: what is the current rt/realtime/lowlatency kernel situation? Which one to use and where to get it from?
[21:34] <holstein> fladd: depends
[21:34] <fladd> on what?
[21:34] <holstein> first... do you need it
[21:34] <holstein> then, i say, try them in order
[21:34] <holstein> try the -generic
[21:34] <holstein> if you get xruns, or want lower latency
[21:34] <fladd> yes, I want my audio latency to go below 10 ms
[21:34] <holstein> try -lowlantency
[21:34] <holstein> if you get xruns, or want lower latency
[21:34] <holstein> try -realtime
[21:34] <holstein> fladd: why do you want sub 10ms?
[21:35] <holstein> realtime effects processing?
[21:35] <orngjce223> I believe the one in the ubuntustudio repositories is called the -preempt kernel
[21:35] <orngjce223> it's only in the ppa that they're called -lowlatency
[21:35] <holstein> orngjce223: we actually dont have one in the repos
[21:35] <orngjce223> Oh?
[21:36] <orngjce223> I think I installed it before
[21:36] <holstein> theres an -rt kernel in the 10.04 repos
[21:36] <orngjce223> I may be wrong
[21:36] <orngjce223> Hm
[21:36] <holstein> but, yeah, you'll need a PPA for -lowlantecy or -realtime
[21:36] <holstein> i actually get better performance with the -generic kernel with one of my USB interfaces
[21:36] <holstein> anyways.. heres what the debian team says about it fladd
[21:36] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[21:37] <holstein> so eventually, we wont need a different kernel
[21:37] <holstein> here are the 2 ppa's i suggest
[21:37] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[21:37] <holstein> oops
[21:37] <orngjce223> Hehe
[21:37] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[21:37] <fladd> well, if the generic can do what I want, even better. let me try it right now, hang on a sec...
[21:38] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel
[21:38] <orngjce223> Mm
[21:44] <fladd> think I can get it down to 8.7ms
[21:44] <fladd> not bad for the generic kernel on a netbook with intel hda audio...
[21:46] <holstein> yeah, if you are sweating audio performance with that rig, i say get a proper interface
[21:46] <holstein> the signal path upgrade alone is worth more effort than whatever you do software-wise
[21:47] <fladd> proper interface is another sad story on linux unfortunately!
[21:47] <fladd> I have an emu tracker pre, which can only do 16bit on linux...
[21:47] <holstein> nah, theres plenty of great interfaces
[21:48] <holstein> presonus firepod
[21:48] <fladd> also recent ones? usb?
[21:48] <holstein> forcusrite
[21:48] <fladd> I looked for one lately and could not find a single one!
[21:48] <holstein> fladd: i dont like USB
[21:48] <holstein> i dont think USB is designed for audio
[21:48] <fladd> maybe not, but my netbook is not designed for firewire :-)
[21:49] <holstein> yeah, i got an early HPmini with an express card slot
[21:49] <holstein> BUT, i think its arguable that a netbook is appropriate for audio anyways
[21:49] <holstein> i dont edit on mine
[21:49] <holstein> but tracking works quite well
[21:49] <holstein> anyways... there are nice USB options too
[21:49] <holstein> zoom H4
[21:49] <fladd> I mean, when I am at home at my desktop PC and want to make music only I can boot into XP for that. But on my netbook, just for some quick recordings on the run in decent quality, man, that would be sweet!
[21:50] <fladd> the h4 is a handheld recorder...?
[21:50] <holstein> the zoom H4 has nice pres and can be used stand alone or as an interface
[21:50] <holstein> has 2 nice pres and 2 decent on board mics
[21:50] <fladd> as an interface? really ,didn't know that...
[21:50] <fladd> so it is class compliant?
[21:51] <holstein> you should ask in #opensourcemusicians
[21:51] <holstein> couple guys over there actually have them
[21:51] <fladd> and can I use the built in mics when in interface mode to record with those to my  computer?
[21:51] <holstein> ive just heard the pre's and liked them
[21:51] <holstein> and its a lot of kit for the $$
[21:51] <fladd> okay, cool. have heard some not so good things about zoom lately...sound quality wise I mean,...
[21:51] <holstein> fladd: AFAIK, its a 4 channel interface
[21:53] <fladd> wow, that thing is freakin expensive!
[21:53] <holstein> yeah?
[21:53] <holstein> price some decent preamps
[21:53] <holstein> i have a presonus eureka, it was about $500
[21:53] <fladd> 330 euro (480 dollars), I think that is too much
[21:53] <holstein> thats just one channel
[21:53] <holstein> no interface
[21:53] <holstein> just a nice pre
[21:53] <holstein> nice preamps cost $$
[21:53] <fladd> my emu tracker pre was 150 euro and the pres are probably way better
[21:54] <holstein> maybe you dont need nice pres
[21:54] <fladd> as I said, the pres of the emu are extremely good compared to even more expensive stuff
[21:54] <fladd> check the reviews
[21:54] <holstein> id have to hear them
[21:54] <fladd> probablu
[21:55] <fladd> y
[21:55] <holstein> i generally consider USB sub-par
[21:55] <fladd> ?
[21:55] <holstein> subpar? like not good
[21:56] <holstein> i have a few USB interfaces
[21:56] <holstein> i use them for stereo recording or whatever when im too lazy to haul the big rig
[21:57] <fladd> I see
[21:57] <holstein> maybe thats all you are interested in though
[21:57] <holstein> 1 or 2 channels at a time
[21:57] <holstein> line level inputs
[21:57] <fladd> yeah, the emu is pretty cool, unfortunately the windows drivers are the worst peace of software I have seen in a while
[21:57] <holstein> you can get some nice clean kit for that purpose for cheap
[21:57] <fladd> and under linux only 16bit, which is a shame as well
[21:58] <holstein> nah
[21:58] <holstein> whats wrong with 16bit?
[21:58] <holstein> i bet you cant hear the difference
[21:58] <holstein> i cant
[21:58] <holstein> between 16 and 24
[21:58] <fladd> clean? probably not, no, but it sure makes a (at least mathematical) difference when appying effects
[21:58] <holstein> and, after it makes it down to mp3 for todays standard market, who would notice?
[21:59] <holstein> fladd: nah
[21:59] <holstein> its just 16bit
[21:59] <fladd> I am certainly not one of these "96khz/24 bit is best, I can hear it" guys :-)
[21:59] <holstein> track it, dither it up
[21:59] <holstein> and do the effects
[21:59] <holstein> fladd: i argue no one can A/B 16 and 24bit
[21:59] <fladd> I settled for 44khgz lately, after realizing that my mic cant go over 20khz anyway :-)
[21:59] <holstein> i track 24 44.1
[21:59] <holstein> no good reason though
[21:59] <fladd> yes, I do the same
[22:00] <holstein> i'll be dammed if i can hear a difference
[22:00] <holstein> if my rig was locked at 16bit, i wouldnt be losing any sleep
[22:00] <fladd> interesting...
[22:00] <holstein> and like i said, the target is usually mp3 these days anyways
[22:01] <fladd> I somehow have this weird feeling that it does matter when recording a lot of channels (one after the other, though) and mixing them with effects
[22:01] <holstein> well, it matters if you can hear it
[22:01] <holstein> otherwise, who cares
[22:01] <holstein> and
[22:01] <holstein> if you're worried about it at that stage
[22:01] <holstein> dither it up
[22:01] <holstein> track at 16bit
[22:01] <holstein> up convert them to 24/96
[22:01] <holstein> mix and add effects
[22:01] <fladd> But this should not be an argument. I mean, if you go this route, then probably 22khz and 12bit is enough for those ipod kiddies...
[22:01] <holstein> then, dither it back down again
[22:02] <holstein> nah, theres a point where you can hear it
[22:02] <holstein> where the effected frequencies are audible
[22:02] <fladd> over integrated speakers of a mobile phone (kids where I come from seem to have forgotten about headphones these days)?
[22:02] <holstein> BUT, we could argue about how many people would actuall noitce the difference
[22:03] <holstein> anyways, 16bit is what we all settled on
[22:03] <holstein> thats still the industry standard
[22:03] <holstein> CD's are arguably the highest quality media we would be targeting
[22:03] <fladd> probably. I think a lot of the music I like went through old akai samplers (12 bit) anyway. So if this is what I compare my own music to, I shall be fine :-)
[22:04] <holstein> maybe you do an HD DVD or something
[22:04] <fladd> on the other hand, CDs are of course tracked way better, only dithered down in the end!
[22:04] <holstein> maybe now
[22:04] <fladd> except the akai sampler stuff of course, but vocals or instruments for instance
[22:04] <holstein> but, it wasnt long ago that wasnt true
[22:04] <fladd> before it was analogue up to the master!
[22:05] <holstein> lots of studios just go right to CD too for the master
[22:05] <holstein> well, maybe not lots of them, but i know of one locally and im aware of others
[22:06] <holstein> ALSO, in my scenario, you get to make music
[22:06] <fladd> :-)
[22:06] <holstein> in yours, you get to set around waiting, or spend money, or wait on some other excues
[22:06] <holstein> excuse*
[22:07] <holstein> i say, go for it... use what you got
[22:07] <holstein> have fun with the equipment at hand
[22:07] <holstein> theres lots of great albums made with some funky gear
[22:07] <fladd> that actually is a very good point! I am definitely suffering from this! no question about this. Last time I made some real music was at least 1 year ago.
[22:08] <fladd> Since then I am mainly thinking about if my equipment is what I want it to be.
[22:08] <holstein> well, i want some gear too, but i got nice signal path with the firepod
[22:09] <holstein> im working on getting an anolog console
[22:09] <holstein> some nice RME adat cards
[22:09] <holstein> and some nice A/D converters with balanced line ins and outs
[22:09] <holstein> we'll see how long that takes
[22:09] <fladd> :-)
[22:09] <holstein> but, in the meantime, the firepod is more than exceptable
[22:09] <fladd> sounds good
[22:11] <holstein> yeah, i have a 2 or 3 stage purchase in mind
[22:12] <holstein> get the RME card
[22:12] <holstein> then, get a berringer A/D
[22:12] <fladd> behringer???
[22:12] <holstein> and save up for the RME thats 10x's the price
[22:12] <holstein> the behringer will give be 8 channels
[22:12] <holstein> then the really nice one will give me 8 proper channels
[22:13] <holstein> and the beringer can be for channels 9-16 :)
[22:13] <fladd> behringer has a reputation for bad quality, though
[22:13] <holstein> which, in my space, probably wont come up that often
[22:13] <holstein> fladd: yeah, but i cant get the whole thing in one go
[22:13] <holstein> its too much
[22:13] <holstein> ill have to go in stages
[22:13] <fladd> that makes sense, sure
[22:14] <holstein> and, i think it'll still be a step up from what i got
[22:14] <holstein> anyways, thats for later... assuming i get the console
[22:14] <fladd> I am thinking about getting a nice little mini mixer (like the soundcraft notepad) as a central hub for my mini-studio :-)
[22:15] <holstein> sure, i had a cheapy behringer
[22:15] <holstein> i used it as pre's back in the day
[22:15] <holstein> it got stepped down to monitoring
[22:15] <holstein> now, its a travel PA rig
[22:16] <fladd> yeah, I want to route all my inputs for recording to it too. I have two mics, some v-drums, a turntable and so on. right now I am switching inputson the interface all the time, this sucks
[22:17] <holstein> sounds like a nice decent upgrade for you
[22:17] <holstein> and cheap-ish too :)
[22:18] <fladd> exactly! This will also give me some very rudimenary monitoring solution, all in one little box
[22:18] <fladd> yes, will be less than 250 euro
[22:19] <fladd> I just have to decide between the soundcraft, the yamaha and the allen and heath now :-)
[22:19] <fladd> and we all know how difficult choices can be
[22:24] <fladd> by the way, I just read that changing the max_user_freq under linux can improve latency. is anyone doing this?
[22:24] <fladd> all I did is to put rtprio to 99...
[22:24] <holstein> you can try
[22:24] <holstein> those tweaks are supposed to be depricated though
[22:25] <holstein> those guys in #opensourcemusicians know more about that than me
[22:25] <fladd> okay, thanks
[23:28] <MrPopinjay> Hello
[23:29] <holstein> MrPopinjay: o/
[23:29] <ScottL> hello MrPopinjay
[23:29] <ScottL> hi fladd
[23:29] <ScottL> and, of course, hi holstein :)
[23:29] <fladd> hello
[23:29] <holstein> hehe
[23:29] <MrPopinjay> Is ubuntu studio switching to xfce with the next release?
[23:30] <ScottL> MrPopinjay, that would be the plan
[23:30] <MrPopinjay> Marvellous!
[23:30] <MrPopinjay> Thanks
[23:30] <ScottL> oops, closed this tab ;)
[23:31] <MrPopinjay> Marvellous!
[23:31] <MrPopinjay> Thanks
[23:31] <ScottL> i think moving to xfce is a good move, a really fundamentally good move
[23:32] <MrPopinjay> How so?
[23:40] <ScottL> MrPopinjay, i think xfce will use less resources than gnome2 or (obviously) KDE
[23:42] <ScottL> MrPopinjay, i think also keep within the same desktop metaphor (i.e. panels, hierarchical menus) will serve our users better than gnome3 or unity at this time
[23:44] <MrPopinjay> I agree
[23:45] <MrPopinjay> + it suits me fine. I rather like xfce and a distro designed for multimedia nonsense could be good for my DJing nonsense