=== Dark is now known as Guest77976 [00:09] Is this the right place to get help for xubuntu? [00:09] yes, it is [00:11] I am just having a minor problem with one of the panels. It looks like the window buttons plugin expands to fit the panel. [00:11] I can't find an option to disable that. [02:34] Hello, I have a new installation of xubuntu but I have a problem with the WiFi, I can see the WiFi connection but when trying to connect I get disconnect [02:34] I try the connection with my phone and it connects ok so the problem is not with the WiFi router [02:44] I'm getting this [02:44] sudo ifup wlan0 [02:44] Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. [03:41] Hi, I'm kinda new to IRC, but I REALLY need some help! [03:41] Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know. [03:43] Okay, I'm not sure if this is why, but I unplugged my USB without unmounting it, and a lot of my files and folders are gone. Is it possible to get them back? [03:44] Josh6680: Don't do that. [03:44] They probably are not gone, but simply hiding for now. Try restarting the computer and see if they are still there? [03:45] I already restarted my computer, and they don't show up in either windows or Xubuntu. [03:46] You tried unplugging and re-plugging the drive a couple of times? [03:46] If no one else has anything, I would suggest trying #ubuntu-beginners . They are pretty good with this kind of issue. [03:47] Yes, I tried unplugging it and re-plugging it a few times, I also checked Gparted, and it said something about my partitions being overlapped. [05:59] I've just upgraded Xubuntu and found I have a fairly severe problem. Networking won't automatically connect using the (single) wireless profile available to it, and won't give me an option to manually connect. So how the hell do I connect at all? [06:00] A foolproof option to force the system to connect using the wireless profile (which is confirmed to work) would be appreciated so I can at least get the system online in some capacity. [06:02] Also a good answer to why the system will not even try to connect using a profile with the 'Connect automatically' option set on it would be appreciated. [06:03] Lillymon: it's because it doesn't see the ssid you configured [06:04] The SSID was perfectly valid before I upgraded. I used the same profile with the same SSID to upgrade the system, and it's not changed. [06:04] Lillymon: why it doesn't see it is hard to guess [06:04] But how do I tell the system to attempt to connect using a specific profile, there seems to be no option to do this. [06:05] it displays you the profiles that it sees available [06:05] It doesn't even try and then fail to connect, it just never even attempts to make a connection. [06:05] when you click on the network iccon [06:06] TheSheep: I click on it and get an option to edit profiles, but not to connect to them. [06:06] Right or left click, no difference. [06:06] as I said, it doesn't see the network you configured [06:06] So because it doesn't see it, it won't connect to it? So if I've got SSID broadcast off, Xubuntu is unable to ever connect to the router? [06:07] I can repeat that a couple of times if you like [06:07] Go right ahead, we'll see if it makes sense on the third try. [06:07] no, there is an option to connect to a hidden network [06:07] WHERE. [06:08] in the menu you get when clicking on the network icon [06:08] I do not see any option to connect to a hidden network. I used to, but it seems to have gone AWOL. It's no longer in the menu. [06:08] also [06:08] !attitude [06:08] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [06:09] I don't like your attitude either. You say it's there, I say it isn't, you say it is, I say it most definitely isn't. I'm not blind or stupid, it SHOULD be there, but it's not. That's my problem right there. [06:11] * ball isn't on wireless, or I'd look. [06:12] Either it's broken, and fixing the network icon would first require BYPASSING the network icon, so I'd need a secondary way of getting online. Or it's just changed, in which case where the hell did this option go then? [06:12] just looked on my end--clicked on "connect to hidden wireless network" typed in ssid--for whatever its worth--using 11.04 [06:13] I think you should take a step back and rest a little, then when you are thinking clearly the solution will be easier to come by. you are now angry and it's not a best state for doing things. [06:14] I think I'm in a perfectly fine state for diagnosing problems, but thinking of a response to that last statement will be a challenge. [06:15] make sure you have "wireless networks" enabled [06:15] in that menu [06:15] It is. I tried disabling and enabling it, to no avail. [06:16] Right-clicking and left-clicking should give me different menus, correct? [06:18] mine gives me the same menu when i click on my icon in the panel [06:18] I once had a problem with a lenovo computer that would juzt not connect after getting back from servicing. turned out they ran windows on it that set a power profile which disable the network card in bios. there wasn't a menu for that in the bios setup, so I had to reset bios to factory settings to make it work [06:19] just saying [06:19] Well if I could get it to TRY, I could find out if it would. Is there a way aside from the network icon to make it try to connect? The network icon must be a frontend to something I can access through other means. [06:19] sure, you can configure it from the command line [06:20] it's a little compliicate, bu there is a howto [06:20] !wifi [06:20] Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [06:20] * ball bites his tongue and QSYs to the next room [06:20] That's my main query, I need to find out if the computer will connect at all and the network icon seems screwed to me. [06:35] Well I've checked my router and it's definitely set to broadcast the SSID and is not hiding itself in any way, so I've no idea what Xubuntu wants of me. [06:36] good morning [06:37] Good morning Wizard [06:38] Lillymon: Is your wireless networking not showing up on your computer? [06:38] s/networking/network/ [06:41] Wireless networking is listed as it always was, and wlan0 is shown as managed. The profile that I've been using is still there, the SSID is correct, the WPA key is correct. Unfortunately, both left and right clicking on the icon give me the same menu, I can view the status of the connection (inactive) or edit my connections. [06:41] There is no option to connect to a hidden network. [06:41] Besides, it's not even hidden, the SSID is being broadcast but it won't connect automatically. [06:41] Lillymon: Didn't you just say your router /was/ broadcasting an SSID? [06:42] Yep, just checked it. [06:42] Lillymon: What channel are you on? [06:42] 1 [06:42] Lillymon: Try something else. [06:42] ...and make sure you're on a band that your wireless NIC is able to use. [06:47] Acually, I was mistaken, it was set to auto, which uses random channels. I've set it to 8, but as I said, I just upgraded the system wirelessly, and I was getting speeds of over 600KB/sec. [06:48] Lillymon: Have you confirmed (using a cellphone, laptop etc.) that the wireless network is still there? [06:48] (and still working?) [06:53] My Wii can see the network perfectly fine. [06:53] Xubuntu may insist it's not there, but my Wii just connected to it using the exact same settings. [06:55] So I don't know what's wrong with it, but the router is in perfect working order and the wireless hardware on that PC was also working with no problems less than an hour ago, so I'm thinking whatever's wrong, it's a software problem/ [06:55] Good, that helps clarify things a bit. [06:56] Do I understand correctly that your NIC used to work with Xubuntu? [06:57] Well I only installed xubuntu-desktop recently (the system used GNOME 2 up until about a month ago) but it was working fine with Xubuntu on 10.10. [06:58] Did you upgrade to Xubuntu 11.04 recently? [06:59] Very recently, I think maybe 90 minutes ago. [07:00] Also, the wireless connection is most definitely working. I'm watching a Super Smash Bros. Brawl match on spectator mode with zero lag. [07:00] * ball is confused. If your wireless connection is working, what are you having trouble with? [07:01] Though it should be noted that the Wii is in the same room as the router, while the PC is two floors down. Auto connection was slightly iffy before, needing to connect manually about half of the time, but now the option to connect manually won't appear. [07:02] Ah, so it's working on the Wii but not on the Xubuntu box? [07:02] Very much so. [07:02] Can you temporarily move the Xubuntu box to the same floor as the router, to see if it works there? [07:02] I replaced my wireless router this week because a storm blew it out. [07:03] ...continued to mostly function, but the wireless LAN disappeared. [07:03] That would be quite a job since it's not exactly a netbook, it's a mini-tower case and 17" CRT monitor. [07:03] ...wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it attenuating the output. [07:04] Lillymon: That's what I would do [07:04] Move the whole thing up two floors to see if it'll auto-connect up here? What if it does? It's of no use to me up here anyway, it needs to be where it is to be useful. [07:05] Besides, none of this explains where the hell the manual connect option went. [07:07] Given my current set of options, I can never connect to a hidden network or even search for wireless networks (that option seems to have gone too), which is just stupid. [07:07] It really seems Xubuntu is doing everything possible to stop me, EITHER of the above would let me manually connect and they're both gone! [07:09] Lillymon: yeah, everyone are against you, and it's always their fault nothing works [07:09] o you know any fast method to revert to default packages (removing libx11-6 is not an option :P) [07:10] Lillymon: Can't help you if you won't help yourself. [07:12] Well I'm going to try something else I just thought of. I have a Xubuntu 11.04 desktop CD here, I'm going to see if an raw 11.04 install can work where my upgraded one fails. [07:14] Might be worth a try. I know Ubuntu 11.04 didn't seem to work at all well on the hardware I tried it on. I prefer Xubuntu anyway though. [07:15] ball: that's strange, because both use the same kernel and drivers [07:16] TheSheep: I've noticed some issues with Xubuntu 11.04 too, but perhaps I'm more tolerant of them because I happen to like it. [07:16] ...more. [07:16] :D [07:17] windows users must like it very much than :D [07:17] hi! is there something like the "global" proxy settings in xubuntu as it is in ubuntu? [07:18] Wizard:? [07:18] Solskogen: no, but you should be able to set the environemnt variables for http_proxy and https_proxy [07:18] Oh, and hey, look at that. The raw install displayed a list of routers when I left-clicked on the icon, displaying my router in there, and allowing me to connect in a matter of seconds. Guess I don't need to move it. [07:18] TheSheep: damn, but okay [07:19] ball: i was referring to your statement [07:19] Lillymon: glad you got your problem solved [07:20] Well not exactly solved, the desktop CD will connect, but the underlying install is the same. I could just bite the bullet and reinstall, being thankful that I made separate root and home partitions. [07:20] TheSheep: its a pita to log off and on again just to set proxy :/ [07:20] i wonder what could be Lillymon's problem actually [07:21] Wizard: Ah right, I think I understand. [07:22] Could I just wipe out all networking settings and restart from scratch with regards to networking? I know all of the settings anyway. [07:22] I'd rather a tactical strike than go nuclear on this. [07:25] I can't quite believe I'm considering killing a three year old install based on a networking glitch. [07:25] Lillymon: you could try removing network-manager with --purge [07:26] but prepare all necessary debs required to reinstall it :) [07:26] or.. install wicd [07:26] and than remove networkmanager [07:26] maybe wicd will do the trick better [07:26] Eh, screw it. A clean install is probably going to be good for this system. [07:26] :( [07:27] don't you want to try? [07:27] Wizard: no, he only came here to complain [07:28] TheSheep: Wow, haven't the tables turned? When I came in here, I was the one with the attitude problem. [07:29] Lillymon: you still have it [07:29] Well excuse me for being unhelpful not wanting to lug a mini-tower and CRT monitor up two flights of stairs when I didn't even need to. [07:29] lol [07:31] Lillymon: You've been ranting here for over an hour, taking everybody's time and acting like a spoiled teenager making demands that somebody fixes it for you. [07:32] I didn't know you were in my house! Oh wait, I've been going up and down stairs trying various possible solutions and gradually working my way towards what actually got the PC online. [07:34] Lillymon: I'm sorry, it seems that now I am angry and I will take a break from this. Please don't feel insulted by my comments. [07:34] pax, amici [07:40] Well while it would be nice from an academic perspective to work out exactly why network-manager went walkabout, I have a Debian system for that sort of technical masturbation. My Xubuntu system is designed to simply work, so I'm going for the nuclear option. [07:56] chan i please have help with wirless [07:56] can* [07:56] sure, describe your problem [07:56] (wireless fail today) [07:58] Okay when i connect my modem via ether net i get connection [08:00] that was fast [08:01] I don't see that as a problem... === q_a_z_steve1 is now known as q_a_z_steve [08:53] Well my problem is now solved anyway. The reinstalled Xubuntu connected immediately, no need to even ask it. Obviously it kept the same settings so they weren't the issue. What was will probably remain a mystery, but the system is also cleaner for the reinstall, so I'm happy now. [08:56] I was thinking "How am I going to make sure all of GNOME's gone? Also I've got bits of KDE and Qt in there, and some old apps I need to get rid of completely. That'll take ages". Should've thought of this earlier. [09:58] hey mates. xfce has some shortcuts for my keyboard predefined, which i cannot find in settings manager keyboard shortcuts, where are those ? [10:22] stephanmg: window manager settings [10:23] TheSheep: thank you i will look there. [10:26] sadly: i won't find it there too [10:44] hi. I'm having trouble retaining my workspaces between sessions. I've set my sessions to be saved automatically, but every time I log out and back in, I find that the number of workspaces has decreased from 3 to 1. [10:46] starkid: do you use anything nonstandard, like compiz? [10:46] no [10:47] starkid: can you make sure that you have free space in your home directory? [10:47] starkid: you can do it from command line with 'df -h' [10:48] yes, I do [10:48] lots of it [10:48] hmm... ok [10:50] starkid: can you check with your settings editor xfwm4->workspace_count ? [10:51] it's 1 right now, but I recently logged in and had it changed to one again. should I change it to 3 in settings manager like I usually do, then check if the settings editor still says 1? [10:55] yeah, maybe that will explain what's happening [10:55] you can also try checking your ~/.xsessionerrors for related errors [10:59] I changed the number of workspaces to 3, and xfwm4 in settings editor lists 3. Looking at session errors now. [11:02] I found several errors, all like the following, except with different numbers: [11:02] (xfwm4-workspace-settings:20855): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a font, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='common' [11:03] hmm...Pango is a text rendering engine, doesn't seem to be related [11:35] yeah, sorry, I was afk [11:54] ok [12:43] starkid: I had this exact same issue [12:44] when changing the amount of workspaces via right clicking the apet and choosing properries [12:44] i was able to fix it in settings manager>workspaces [12:45] I've always set the number of workspaces in settings manager anyways, so I don't think that is the problem [12:45] did you try giving them ustom names? [12:45] i did that too [12:45] no. I'll give it a shot [12:46] custom* [12:47] exit [12:48] * Wizard yawns [12:48] wo-hoo! that worked. thanks xrdodrx [12:49] starkid: must be a bug [12:49] glad it worked :D [15:37] 16:37:29 up 2 days, 5:53, 2 users, load average: 0.53, 0.54, 0.51 [15:37] .. can anybody tell me what the 3 numbers in load average mean? [15:39] how much stuff your machine has to do, average of different times [15:39] seconds maybe? [15:39] The averages are taken over the three time intervals. [15:39] 15min / 1min / 15s or something like that [15:40] man uptime expains it technically [15:40] ok thanks [15:40] sys- [15:40] tem load averages for the past 1, 5, and 15 minutes. [15:40] There it is === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca1 [17:54] My synaptic touchpad is very touchy in xubuntu and it feels like it has no palm detection because whenever i try and type i get right clicks and left clicks all over the place. Often times I'll get the workspaces to change when the cursor is on the desktop, too <>. Help me out please! [17:55] loonysalmon, you want to disable it? [17:55] I guess what I want is some sort of palm detection like I had when I was using gnome. [17:56] I noticed XFCE4's mouse controls were...lacking [17:56] you could see what options gpointing-device-settings offers [17:56] thanks Sysi [17:56] do those changes get enabled on startup? [18:00] How about disabling tapping while typing? [18:14] loonysalmon: install gsynaptics, it should be able to do that. [18:25] Hello! Can anybody help me with policykit.... I've changed the password for user but when I start browser or empathy.... policykit asks me a password [19:10] hi.. I just upgraded from 10.10 to 10.4. I have ComPiz and Emerald to draw the window borders and now I have no window borders at all [19:11] I tried removing and reinstalling emerald but to no avail.. [19:11] err.. 11.04 [19:13] I think I may perhaps answered something wrong when the upgraded OS booted up.. [19:13] It asked something about Xfce something and I answered "use defaults for the new version" instead of "use old config" .. this may be why my linux is slightly brokeh [19:15] I'd like the bar above the windows and linings around the windows back. If someone can help it'd be much appreciated [19:16] !emerald [19:16] emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. It's unsupported and unmaintained, making issues with it very hard to diagnose and fix. There are no known, supported alternatives. [19:16] use some compiz plugin to get window borders [19:16] gtk-window-decorator may also work [19:18] Sysi: so I uninstall emerald and then look at compiz config turn the window decoration on..? [19:18] you don't need to uninstall, you just can't use it [19:19] fiddle with ccsm [19:22] I've no idea what is 'ccsm' [19:26] compizconfig-settings-manager aka. compiz settings [19:28] cześć [19:28] i mean hi [19:30] juxo, Emerald is pretty outdated, it's probably not smart to use it [20:06] So before I upgraded from 10.10 to 10.04 my windows used to have borders in my windows and that bar that you can use to drag or push one of the icons in the upper-righthand corner of the windows [20:07] I used to use an outdated window decorator called "Emerald" .. I've now removed that but no avail [20:07] I need some sane defaults.. [20:08] Removing and installing Compiz wouldn't help ? [20:08] nope [20:08] Removing Compiz would probably help [20:09] umm.. [20:09] not if xfwm4 doesn't start then :P [20:09] * Wizard wonders why do people bother with that crap.. [20:09] True [20:09] Wizard: some functionality that xfwm4 lacks [20:10] if you want effects, simplest is to install kde-window-manager and run kwin --replace [20:10] Wizard: Compiz is great. It's got a full screen task switcher.. [20:11] kwin provides that too [20:11] AFAIR, it also has the ability to take away all windows borders? [20:12] So I need some sane defaults for my xfwm4? [20:12] whatever that is.. [20:12] Xfce window manager prbbly.. [20:13] yup [20:14] yup, it's Xfce Window Manager 4 or I need to restore some default somewhere and then I can be happy with my Linux again.. [20:14] xfwm does not start too? [20:18] umm.. 'ps ax | grep xfwm' ? [20:19] nope.. no process running.. [20:21] hey.. [20:21] 'xfwm4 --replace' fixed it .. [20:22] now I has pretty metallic borders [20:22] XD XD I love Linux! [20:22] tnx for this great free software .. [20:46] :) [20:46] these great free softeware should be hanged for removing two-state-launcher [20:47] and should add something which combines iconbox and launcher [20:47] so running 'xfwm4 --replace' gets me the window bar, nice and metalley, but turns compiz functionality off.. [20:47] yes, it's different wm [20:48] and I notice that after rebooting the windowbar is missing again.. so guys.. umh.. need some help still [20:48] xfwm supports transparency and shadows only [20:48] save session when running xfce [20:48] xfwm* [20:48] how do I do that ? [20:50] hmm, click mouse→ settings→ settings manager [20:51] than choose sessions and run (or something like that, i prefere my own language :P) [20:51] than, on card Session, choose save [20:56] Wizard: I want to have the Compiz like I did in 10.10 ... [20:57] it seems to be on, but yet, off [20:57] yeah, i know, but it's really hard to check settings without any wm running [20:57] btw, did you try running compiz --replace from terminal, does it show any errors? [21:00] Wizard: that brings me back to 'no window bar' situation [21:00] you need to set compiz plugin for drawing window borders [21:00] it says "no window decorator found" ( among other things ) [21:01] Sysi: I've tried checking and unchecking that to no avail [21:01] ah [21:01] idk what you actualy need to do but that's how it's done in unity [21:01] try purging compiz settings, should lie somewhere in ~/.config [21:01] Wizard: So I suppose uninstalling and reinstalling Compiz might help [21:01] or you could use kde window manager [21:02] reinstall doesn't help, compiz works [21:02] emerald doesn't so you need to set compiz to draw window borders with something else [21:04] try gtk-window-decorator instead of emerald [21:34] Hi.. I almost brokeh my system to not being able to enter commands into the shell but alas I've recooperated.. now one final question.. how did I set Compiz to startup on startup ? [21:39] Hi. Why I always need to re-enter compiz --replace & disown in terminal at each startup? I mean is'nt supposed to start by itself when I boot? [21:40] yeah. that's what I'd like.. [21:41] juxo, same problem as me [21:41] O.o [21:46] juxo: just as i told you before [21:47] Wizard: I've lost that, could I has it again ? [21:49] sure [21:49] http://wklej.org/id/546725/ [21:53] ok, i need a bed [21:53] good night [21:54] g'night wizard [22:19] Hi. Does anyone know a way to set compiz to start correctly under xfce? In sessions options it's set to start Immidiatly, but it's not [22:19] I always have to enter compiz --replace & disown each times [22:29] mmm [22:29] why the disown? [22:29] people usually just compiz [22:29] or compiz -r [22:30] but the disown is a new one for me [22:30] GridCube, disown because as-soon I close the terminal, compiz shut [22:30] XD run it tru alt-f2 [22:30] why would you run graphic stuff from a terminal [22:31] GridCube, lol bah u know F12 Guake addicted [22:31] XD [22:32] be sure that when you close your session the "save session" box is marked [22:32] GridCube, i'm not really used with linux environment, i've installed xu11.04 just from 2 weeks [22:32] :) [22:33] "save session" box? [22:35] yes when you go to the shutdown options, there is a small box at the bottom that says something like "save session" or whatever it translates [22:36] GridCube, when i'm doing shutdown, the computer just completly shut by powering off. I dont have any options to save my session [22:36] D: [22:36] thats wrong [22:36] how do you shutdown? [22:37] lolll by clicking on djiefo on xfce bar drag it to shutdown [22:38] go to the xfce logo and choose "close session" [22:38] sorry [22:38] gotta go [22:38] bbl === william is now known as Guest56736 [23:15] so now we've reached a stalemate point with the otherwise so lovely Xubuntu software where I can has Compiz and no borders ( Schengen Compiz ) or xfwm4 and no Compiz .. [23:17] and I've been at this upgrade and get it to work thing for hours now. It woulda been so sweet if no major problems were encountered during the couple of hours of upgrade [23:18] but dudes.. I've been using linuxes since 1996 and running one or few occasionally since 1998 [23:19] I gotta hand it to you guys, this Xubuntu is quite usable and reliable and hassle-free ( except for the disappearing borders ) [23:19] um so [23:19] It's so easy to use.. [23:19] I tried googling but didn't have much luck [23:20] I'm pretty new to linux in general so I'm sure I'm missing something obvious [23:20] I want to force my router to assign me the ip address 192.168.0.6 [23:20] rather than getting automatically assigned whatever one it chooses for me [23:21] I had to 'ps ax | grep xscreensaver' and then 'kill -15' because it ( the uprgade processy-thingy ) bitches about stopping xscreensaver or else or else else [23:21] any idea how to do that? [23:23] yomayom: I think you have to set it at the router.. are you using DHCP ? [23:24] I think so [23:24] In winxp there was a setting for it in network connections -> bla bla [23:25] maybe it involved disabling DHCP? [23:25] * yomayom is pretty lost [23:25] yomayom: so you have a broadband connection with a DHCP server with a router with NAT it appears ( 192.168. is sort of not routable to the internet ) [23:26] yomayom: I think you need to access your router's connection forwarding settings.. [23:27] I have port forwarding set to redirect certain ports to 192.168.0.6 [23:27] yomayom: yeah.. 'k .. you need to access the DHCP settings and enter your MAC address to your broadband router-thingy... [23:28] say.. this and this mac address you want associated with 192.168.0.6 [23:32] * yomayom googles "mac address" [23:32] yomayom: It's an unique numeric identifier that each network device has.. [23:33] you can see command 'ifconfig' to find your's .. [23:35] HWaddr? [23:35] yup [23:35] plus there is a range for VMs [23:35] of MAC addresses.. [23:36] err.. network interfaces.. [23:37] mmm.. off to brush teeth and sleep [23:38] hi! [23:38] I have some problems... [23:38] just did the recent updates... [23:38] after that my xfce seems to be broken [23:38] indication: all window decorations are gone, workspaces are gone, terminals hang themselfs [23:39] after acertain point i even cannot switch applications anymore [23:39] tried reinstalling nvidia drivers [23:39] didn't help at all [23:39] it does not appear to be possible to set address by MAC with this router [23:42] perelin: Alt+F2, xfwm4 [23:42] k thx will try that, back to report soon [23:42] I don't see why MAC is even necessary; I didn't need to play with MAC at all in winxp [23:43] if Alt+F2 won't work, open a terminal or switch to tty using Ctrl+Alt+f2, run xfwm4 & [23:43] charlie-tca, NICE!! [23:43] did the trick [23:44] thanks very much!! [23:44] yw [23:44] what was that command? [23:44] Alt+F2, xfwm4 [23:44] it starts the window manager [23:44] :) [23:44] ah!! [23:44] strange... I rebooted like a thousand times... [23:45] one thinks that rebooting should start the window manager... [23:46] will it last a reboot? or do I have to tweak some ini files to make this last? [23:47] It should came back if you save the session. If it doesn't, add it to autostart in sessions and startup [23:47] kk, will do! [23:47] thanks again [23:47] I appreciate it very much to get help that quick and competent! [23:48] some things are easier than others [23:48] ;-) [23:57] ok, the window manager survived a reboot without any session tampering. [23:57] the last updates seemed to have removed xfwm4 from the autostarts... [23:58] at least for me [23:58] thinkpad t61 nvidia thingie [23:59] charlie-tca: thx again! [23:59] If it survived the reboot, it doesn't need to be in autostart