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head_victimAnd the integration begins!11:04
elrosintegrate with respect to x11:50
head_victimIntegration into official Ubuntu-ness11:51
head_victim+ [cjwatson] Add Lubuntu to cron.germinate (should be deployed by wgrant between 17 and 20 June): DONE11:53
chiiiiizhello!!!!12:14
chiiiiizI have tested all flavours of Ubuntu, Lubuntu is the lastest (and I think my favourite one). There is only  thing I miss: the icon of the  mounted CD or DVD12:15
chiiiiizIs there a way to have them, with Openbox?12:15
bioterroricon on desktop?12:15
chiiiiizyes, but only CD and DVD and removable USB... not my auto-mounted fstab partitions12:16
chiiiiizI have read that Openbox was fully customisable... must be possible, no?12:16
bioterrorI'm not following12:19
chiiiiizbioterror: I do not want any application shortwuts on my desktop, only a CD icon or a USB drive icon with the name of the volume... only when there are mounted CD or USB12:22
bioterroropenbox does show you filed in ~/Desktop12:24
bioterrorif I remember right pcmanfm is used for that12:24
szczurbioterror, i remember that nautilus in gnome shown mounted usb and cd drives as icons on desktop12:25
szczurpcmanfm doesn't do that at the moment i think12:25
bioterrordoes lubuntu use rox filer then?12:25
bioterrorI cant remember :D12:25
bioterrorcant use12:26
bioterror:D12:26
bioterrorrox is so old and outdated12:26
chiiiiizno, lubuntu uses pcmanfm... and I can indeed have my ~/Desktop files shown... but as szczur says, I would like (if possible) to have this kind of Nautilus behaviour12:32
bioterrormaybe some beautiful day12:33
bioterroryou just have to use pcmanfm for those12:33
bioterroron my desktop computer I have to navigate with thunar to to /media/ folder everytime I want to access my drives that are described to automount in fstab. such is life ;)12:34
chiiiiizok... something else.... Where can I specify the default application for the DVD playing... The default app menu only specifies the mail client and the browser12:35
bioterrordunno, my laptop doesnt have cd/dvd-drive12:41
chiiiiizok thanx12:43
OswaldGlinkmeyerAnyone here?12:52
bioterror40 + you ;)12:52
bioterrorhow can we help?12:52
OswaldGlinkmeyerHeh. wasn't sure if everyone's lurking.12:52
OswaldGlinkmeyerI'm using Lubuntu 10.04.2 LTS and finding that Chromium is saying that my Flash isn't up-to-date.12:53
OswaldGlinkmeyerWhen I follow the onscreen instructions, it tries to do some sort of apt: plugin and makes a popup window that doesn't do anything except display my home page.12:53
bioterrorthat needs MOTU skills!12:54
OswaldGlinkmeyerIt's like it doesn't know how to handle the protocol that Adobe is serving up.12:54
bioterror MOTU's have not kept the repository up-to-date regarding the flashplugin12:54
OswaldGlinkmeyerI don't know what MOTU's are.12:54
bioterror!motu | OswaldGlinkmeyer12:54
ubot5OswaldGlinkmeyer: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU12:54
OswaldGlinkmeyerSo i should just wait until someone notices that the plugin needs to be updated and then get it the next time I install updates?12:55
bioterrorI'm thinking about what to do with that12:56
bioterrormaybe report it on launchpad12:57
OswaldGlinkmeyerI took a peek at the forums and I see a few people who have had issues, but it was several weeks ago, and the instructions they were given weren't clear to me.12:58
bioterrorcan you show us the url for that discussion?12:58
OswaldGlinkmeyerhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767746 but this guy is redirected to a thread I don't know which one, and otherwise suggested a thread for 64-bit which I don't know if it applies.13:00
OswaldGlinkmeyerhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767683&highlight=flash is the other one (64-bit)13:01
OswaldGlinkmeyerOne suggestion is to move to Chrome from Chromium.13:01
OswaldGlinkmeyerIt's also referring to Chrome not Chromium13:01
bioterrorare you using 64bit, OswaldGlinkmeyer13:04
OswaldGlinkmeyerIn the package manager there are a couple of Flash-looking things that aren't checked, and I wonder if I should use those and see.  No, 32-bit here.13:04
bioterrorhow did you install your flash?13:05
bioterroryou downloaded a file from adobes site or what?13:05
OswaldGlinkmeyerIn package manager I see adobe-flashplugin (10.1.102.64-1) checked.13:05
OswaldGlinkmeyerI don't know how I got it originally.13:05
bioterrorhmm13:06
OswaldGlinkmeyerIt's just been working until now.13:06
bioterror10.10 has: Version: 10.3.181.22ubuntu0.10.10.113:06
bioterrorOswaldGlinkmeyer, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree13:06
OswaldGlinkmeyerYeah, I see that one in the package manager just above the one that's checked.13:07
bioterroryep13:07
bioterrorthat's correct package13:07
OswaldGlinkmeyerIs apt-get any better than the Synaptic?13:07
bioterrorI prefer it13:08
OswaldGlinkmeyerOr is one just a front-end for the other?13:08
bioterrorsynaptic is front-end for it13:08
OswaldGlinkmeyerOK, apt-get is running13:09
OswaldGlinkmeyerIt's removing the old version.13:10
bioterrorgood13:10
OswaldGlinkmeyerOK, no warning message now when I go to flash site.13:11
bioterrorthere you go13:11
OswaldGlinkmeyerthanks. I think that did it.13:11
OswaldGlinkmeyergotta go.  thanks again.13:12
bioterrornp, laters13:12
imacalcuttIs the alpha program being updated or should I wait for the alpha 2 release? I tried to run the alpha 1 program from the cd but was unsuccessful.15:26
phillwimacalcutt: what problem did you have with the alpha1?15:47
imacalcuttwhen I put in the cd and rebooted my computer, it just booted normally without recognizing the cd15:49
phillwuse terminal to check the md5sum on the cd15:50
phillwdd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=311335 | md5sum15:54
phillwthat should give you the checksum as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing15:55
imacalcuttso you are telling me that it should have started properly?15:55
phillwit sould, if your bios is set to boot 1st from cd15:55
imacalcuttI have since thrown out the cd and deleted the download15:56
imacalcuttIt is15:56
imacalcuttI will give it another go15:56
imacalcuttthanks for the info15:56
phillwif the torrent is slow, the direct load is off my server and may be faster.15:57
imacalcuttokay. thanks16:00
phillw-virtualhmm, quite painless :) Now running 11.10 a1 :D16:15
phillw;topic Welcome to #lubuntu || Please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat  ||  Lubuntu 11.04 is available via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu (please use the torrent feed).  || Always follow the channel guidelines.17:07
=== DragonEyes changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Welcome to #lubuntu || Please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat || Lubuntu 11.04 is available via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu (please use the torrent feed). || Always follow the channel guidelines.
phillw;part #lubuntu17:07
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leszekhi18:07
beef-supremeanyone on?19:14
bioterrorsure19:14
beef-supremehey19:14
beef-supremewhats up? :D19:14
bioterrorwwatching tv19:14
beef-supremei'm recording my dad's video casettes to hdd19:15
beef-supremewhat desktop environment do you use?19:16
bioterroractually none atm. ;)19:19
beef-supremewindow manager?19:19
elroslxde is the way19:20
bioterrorlaptop has openbox with tint2 and desktop is using windowmaker crm19:20
beef-supremebioterror, openbox w/ tint2 is what i'm using19:20
beef-supremei had to install lubuntu19:20
beef-supremebecause ubuntu ties everything to gnome and unity19:21
beef-supremeand ubuntu minimal just wont work19:21
bioterrorunity is less of my concerns. I just cant stand plymouth19:24
beef-supremewell lubuntu uses plymouth too19:26
elrosbeef-supreme: you can first install lubuntu-core, then the programs you want to use, install debfoster, remove ubuntu-desktop and run debfoster19:32
elrosit runs trough every installed package and checks its dependencies: for example mozilla-vlc keeps vlc and its libs in place if you use that19:33
beef-supremei installed lubuntu and removed lubuntu-desktop, lxde-desktop19:33
beef-suprememostly everything i could remove19:33
elrosjust a caution: if you don't know what a package does, it's safer to keep it19:34
elrosthis is more important in debian because ubuntu-minimal & ubuntu-standard have lots of necessary deps19:35
beef-supremedoes anyone here use xmobar?19:38
bioterrorxmonad stuff19:44
Unit193Awesome isn't too bad once you get the hang of it19:45
silverarrowI have trouble reading an external harddisk in lubuntu19:47
silverarrow...and adding, anything really19:47
silverarrowit is detected19:47
bioterrorUnit193, not taking part in this ;)19:50
silverarrowhow do you use a separate hard drive in  lubuntu?19:51
bioterrorsilverarrow, but what?19:51
silverarrowI cannot read or add anyting to the hard drive19:51
bioterrorwhat if you mount it by hand19:51
bioterrorwhat does it say?19:51
silverarrowit's a 320GB separate hard drive, 7200 rmp19:51
silverarrowhow do I do that?19:52
bioterrorsilverarrow, Unit193 will assist you ;)19:52
silverarrowunit193?19:53
Unit193silverarrow: Can you open pcmanfm awith gksudo and write to it?19:54
silverarrowhmm, on no, not the terminal window19:56
silverarrowoh*19:56
Unit193It doesn't work or you don't like the terminal?19:57
silverarrowI am really crap with the terminal window19:58
silverarrow: (19:58
silverarrowI can't even read it19:58
bioterroruse alt+f2 then19:58
silverarrowI have no trouble with USB flash drives on this computer19:58
Unit193Mounting via fstab might do it19:59
silverarrowhmm, no such file or directry19:59
Unit193You hit alt+f2 typed in   gksudo pcmanfm   ?20:00
silverarrowhmm, permission denied20:01
Unit193If it opened, go to the place where it was mounted. pcmanfm did open?20:03
silverarrowharddisk is detected as ST932056 20AS in disk utilities20:03
silverarrowit seems I only get the internal hard drive then20:05
silverarrowit doesn't read periohiral devices20:05
silverarrowperipheral20:05
bioterroris it ntfs drive?20:06
silverarrowmaybe external hard drives for extra storage isn't a good idea in lubuntu?20:06
silverarrowa what?20:06
silverarrowI'm not shore about the filesystem,20:07
silverarrowI haven't done a thing to it20:07
silverarrowntfs is windows?20:07
Unit193silverarrow: Can you type   sudo fdisk -l   into the terminal?20:07
Unit193ntfs is mostly used by windows20:08
bioterrorUnit193, I prefer nowdays 'sudo blkid'20:08
bioterrorgives exact information20:08
silverarrow[sudo] password for silverarrow:20:08
silverarrowDisk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes20:08
silverarrow255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders20:08
silverarrowUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes20:08
silverarrowSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes20:08
silverarrowI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes20:08
silverarrowDisk identifier: 0x0009444c20:08
silverarrow   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System20:09
silverarrow/dev/sda1   *           1       38783   311521280   83  Linux20:09
silverarrow/dev/sda2           38783       38914     1047553    5  Extended20:09
silverarrow/dev/sda5           38783       38914     1047552   82  Linux swap / Solaris20:09
Unit193Oh crap...20:09
silverarrowDisk /dev/sdb: 320.1 GB, 320072932864 bytes20:09
silverarrow255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders20:09
silverarrowUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes20:09
silverarrowSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes20:09
silverarrowI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes20:09
silverarrowDisk identifier: 0x0000000020:09
silverarrowDisk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition20:09
silverarrowno good?20:09
bioterrorhaha20:09
bioterrorI wonder why20:09
Unit193If he has nothing on it, he could just format it20:10
silverarrowplease do put me straigh20:10
silverarrowstraight20:10
bioterrorsilverarrow, if that drive is unused, format it with disk utility20:10
elrosinstall gparted20:10
silverarrowhmm20:10
silverarrowI did try and add a picture to it in windows 7 just for test20:11
silverarrowbut it's all new, not used for anything really20:12
elrosyou just committed a misdemeanor by saying "windows 7"20:12
elros:)20:12
bioterrorelros, njaeh, he could have said "OS X"20:12
elros"windows vista" is a felony20:12
Unit193silverarrow: If you need/want to use it on windows, you will have to format it in a format it can read20:12
Unit193elros: +1! That is crapsta...20:13
bioterrorbs20:13
bioterrorvista is good20:13
bioterrorno problemos20:13
silverarrowwhat?20:13
elrosjust hijacking your help with microsoft jokes20:13
silverarrowlol20:14
silverarrowI'm just not used to hard drives for external storage20:14
silverarrowI have this idiot proof thing for back up, all automatic20:15
silverarrowok will format,20:16
bioterroruse FAT3220:16
bioterrorand your windows will understand it too20:16
silverarrowthanks20:16
bioterrorExFAT is coming!20:16
bioterrorI heard that's propietary fs20:16
elrosvfat = fat3220:16
silverarrowthis is getting difficult20:17
elrossilverarrow: install gparted, it has a gui20:17
silverarrow...getting gparted20:17
elrosafter that, run it with 'sudo gparted'20:18
szczurbioterror, i don't think that FAT32 on 320GB HDD is the sign of sanity :P20:18
bioterroroh y eah20:18
bioterrortrue dat :D20:18
szczurNTFS works without problems nowadays on both linux and windows20:18
bioterroryeah, 3G20:18
elroshey, you have 4gb filesize limit with fat3220:18
bioterrorhahaha20:18
elrosremember that20:18
* bioterror takes coat20:18
Unit193gksudo!20:19
bioterrorbut I like my girls like I like my filesystem!20:19
Unit193elros: It's not good to run GUI apps with sudo, use gksudo20:19
bioterrormy #1 dslr uses Fat16 ;)20:19
elrosyou can launch a terminal and then run sudo gparted20:19
Unit193!gksudo20:20
ubot5If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)20:20
elrosof course, alt+f2 'gksudo gparted' is better20:20
silverarrowyou are messing with me?20:20
bioterroror gksu!20:20
elrosor is there a difference?20:20
phillwgksu == gksudo (it's a link)20:21
bioterrorsymlink20:21
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linuxman410hi anyone here22:03
linuxman410i have  question about lubuntu22:04
bioterror!ask | linuxman41022:04
ubot5linuxman410: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)22:04
linuxman410my question is how come lubuntu lxde will install on my laptop but fedore lxde requires 640 megs of ram22:05
linuxman410is lubuntu as secure as the other distros22:09
leszekit should be22:09
leszekI don't know why fedora lxde needs 640 mb of ram, thats seems to be an odd number anyways22:10
leszek-s22:10
linuxman410leszek is it secure enough for banking and paying bills22:11
leszeklinuxman410 why shouldn't it be ?22:11
bodhi_zazenleszek: to install ?22:11
bodhi_zazenlinuxman410: ssl (https) == secure enough for banking22:12
linuxman410just asking22:12
bodhi_zazenlinuxman410: most people who claim a live CD is "more secure" do not understand security =)22:12
leszek:)22:12
leszekthe question is how you define security or "secure"22:13
bodhi_zazennot really leszek22:13
bodhi_zazen;P22:13
linuxman410bodhi_zazen i am going to install lubuntu 11.04 since fedora 15 lxde will not install22:14
bodhi_zazenlinuxman410: nothing wrong with lubuntu22:15
bodhi_zazenbut just for my info, did you try adding a swap partition ?22:15
linuxman410yeah still no go22:15
bodhi_zazenshame22:15
bodhi_zazenwell, they are working on a fix, but probably not until F1622:16
bioterrorwhata's the problem with swap?22:16
bioterrorahhh fedora22:16
bodhi_zazenbioterror: nothing, it is a Fedora 15 problem with the installer22:16
linuxman410i know i really like fedora but if i cannot install it i will cross over to lubuntu22:16
bioterrormake swap partition, give it swapon and add it fstab22:16
bodhi_zazenI am stalking linuxman410 as he asked in #fedora and I noticed the nick here ;P22:17
bodhi_zazenlinuxman410: install F1422:17
bodhi_zazenand upgrade22:17
bodhi_zazenpreupgrade works fantastic in fedora22:17
linuxman410that is ok lubuntu is almost installed now and the i just have to update it22:19
linuxman410lubuntu just got another user22:22
phillw:)22:22
bodhi_zazenlubuntu is a nice distro, I only mentioned fedora as you mentioned that was your first choice22:25
bodhi_zazenIf you are new to linux, ubuntu is better at hand holding =)22:26
linuxman410well now i have a new first choice22:26
bodhi_zazenMy first choice is always the one that runs on my hardware ;P22:26
linuxman410i am not a newbie i have been using linux since 199522:26
bodhi_zazenSweet22:27
linuxman410my first os was mandrake22:27
bodhi_zazenWhat distro did you use in '95 ?22:27
linuxman410mandrake22:28
bioterrorbs22:28
bioterrorfirst mandrake was based on rh 5.122:28
Heinz_L_Maennchei read about ubuntu 11.04 haing problems with power consumption...22:29
Heinz_L_Maennchedoes lubuntu 11.04 have those issues as well?22:29
Heinz_L_Maennchebecause i would like to upgrade to 11.0422:29
linuxman410bioterror so i cannot remember22:31
linuxman410it has been a long time22:31
linuxman410got it it was debian 2.022:34
linuxman410then mandrake22:35
linuxman410it took 3 days to download iso image of debian 2.0 on dial up22:36
phillwHeinz_L_Maennche: I've not read too much on power consumption, but at least one person has said they get much longer battery life with lubuntu. I've not compared them, so cannot deffinately say. Easiest way is to try it out :)22:36
linuxman410i still have the burned cd of first distro22:37
Heinz_L_Maennchephillw, i do know that lubuntu is better at saving battery...but my question is, if 11.04 wastes more power than 10.1022:38
linuxman410i have downloaded so many versions i have boxes of cds22:38
Heinz_L_Maennchesince i read about some bug in the kernel they could not fix yet...22:38
phillwHeinz_L_Maennche: I have not seen any chatter on the mailing list for Lubuntu 11.04 concerning increased power usage.22:39
Heinz_L_Maennchephillw, ok...thank you :-) i'll test it myself then...if i run into something i'll let u guys know22:40
phillwHeinz_L_Maennche: that is always the best way. The guy I saw quoting had nearly an extra hour with using the lubuntu variant.22:41
bioterrormaybe he found out how to lower screen brightness, it does magics ;)22:41
phillwjust be aware that the screen saver is known to 'eat' energy!22:41
Heinz_L_Maenncheyeah...i had an equal experience with 10.10...it does indeed need much less power than ubuntu/xubuntu and of course Kubuntu...22:43
Heinz_L_Maennchebioterror, yeah^^ display really eats battery...even a small netbook screen22:44
bodhi_zazenbioterror: linuxman410 ran into this Fedora bug : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Installation_requires_more_memory22:45
bodhi_zazennasty ;P22:45
phillwbodhi_zazen: ouch! nasty :/22:46
linuxman410i am a member of one of the ubuntu teams and proud of it22:46
bioterroreven the cheapest netbooks comes with 4GB nowdays :P22:47
Heinz_L_Maennchelinuxman410, you can...ubuntu is a great distro...i run it on most of my mashines...but on my netbook i think i might switch to lubuntu because of the batteryLife22:48
phillwand there's us moaning at ubiquity needing 160 - 192MB of RAM :P22:48
bioterrorphillw, indeed22:48
linuxman410oh yeah lubuntu would run good on a netbook22:49
linuxman410i am running ubuntu with unit on main machine it has 1.5 gig of ram22:50
linuxman410unity22:50
Heinz_L_Maennchethe only thing i kind of dislike is that lubuntu looks a lot like kde when u first start it^^ but since u can customize it^^22:50
Heinz_L_Maennchewell...unity is still a little uncustomizable for my taste...but i am positive ubuntu will improve on that...i really like how the titlebar fits into the top panel22:51
Heinz_L_Maennchebut i would like to use another dock than the build in22:51
Heinz_L_Maenncheor at least move the build in dock to the buttom22:52
linuxman410i bought a cheap laptop of ebay has a p4 2.2 celeron and 384 ram got it for 54 dollars22:53
linuxman410it is running lubuntu now22:54
phillwit should be quite happy with lubuntu on that spec :)22:54
linuxman410phillw lubuntu is running great22:59
phillwI'm biased, but I really like it. It has taken everything I've thrown at it :)23:00
linuxman410i like the fact 11.04 comes with xchat already installed23:01
bioterrortell it on the mailing list23:01

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