[11:04] <head_victim> And the integration begins!
[11:50] <elros> integrate with respect to x
[11:51] <head_victim> Integration into official Ubuntu-ness
[11:53] <head_victim> + [cjwatson] Add Lubuntu to cron.germinate (should be deployed by wgrant between 17 and 20 June): DONE
[12:14] <chiiiiiz> hello!!!!
[12:15] <chiiiiiz> I have tested all flavours of Ubuntu, Lubuntu is the lastest (and I think my favourite one). There is only  thing I miss: the icon of the  mounted CD or DVD
[12:15] <chiiiiiz> Is there a way to have them, with Openbox?
[12:15] <bioterror> icon on desktop?
[12:16] <chiiiiiz> yes, but only CD and DVD and removable USB... not my auto-mounted fstab partitions
[12:16] <chiiiiiz> I have read that Openbox was fully customisable... must be possible, no?
[12:19] <bioterror> I'm not following
[12:22] <chiiiiiz> bioterror: I do not want any application shortwuts on my desktop, only a CD icon or a USB drive icon with the name of the volume... only when there are mounted CD or USB
[12:24] <bioterror> openbox does show you filed in ~/Desktop
[12:24] <bioterror> if I remember right pcmanfm is used for that
[12:25] <szczur> bioterror, i remember that nautilus in gnome shown mounted usb and cd drives as icons on desktop
[12:25] <szczur> pcmanfm doesn't do that at the moment i think
[12:25] <bioterror> does lubuntu use rox filer then?
[12:25] <bioterror> I cant remember :D
[12:26] <bioterror> cant use
[12:26] <bioterror> :D
[12:26] <bioterror> rox is so old and outdated
[12:32] <chiiiiiz> no, lubuntu uses pcmanfm... and I can indeed have my ~/Desktop files shown... but as szczur says, I would like (if possible) to have this kind of Nautilus behaviour
[12:33] <bioterror> maybe some beautiful day
[12:33] <bioterror> you just have to use pcmanfm for those
[12:34] <bioterror> on my desktop computer I have to navigate with thunar to to /media/ folder everytime I want to access my drives that are described to automount in fstab. such is life ;)
[12:35] <chiiiiiz> ok... something else.... Where can I specify the default application for the DVD playing... The default app menu only specifies the mail client and the browser
[12:41] <bioterror> dunno, my laptop doesnt have cd/dvd-drive
[12:43] <chiiiiiz> ok thanx
[12:52] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Anyone here?
[12:52] <bioterror> 40 + you ;)
[12:52] <bioterror> how can we help?
[12:52] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Heh. wasn't sure if everyone's lurking.
[12:53] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I'm using Lubuntu 10.04.2 LTS and finding that Chromium is saying that my Flash isn't up-to-date.
[12:53] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> When I follow the onscreen instructions, it tries to do some sort of apt: plugin and makes a popup window that doesn't do anything except display my home page.
[12:54] <bioterror> that needs MOTU skills!
[12:54] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's like it doesn't know how to handle the protocol that Adobe is serving up.
[12:54] <bioterror>  MOTU's have not kept the repository up-to-date regarding the flashplugin
[12:54] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I don't know what MOTU's are.
[12:54] <bioterror> !motu | OswaldGlinkmeyer
[12:55] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> So i should just wait until someone notices that the plugin needs to be updated and then get it the next time I install updates?
[12:56] <bioterror> I'm thinking about what to do with that
[12:57] <bioterror> maybe report it on launchpad
[12:58] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I took a peek at the forums and I see a few people who have had issues, but it was several weeks ago, and the instructions they were given weren't clear to me.
[12:58] <bioterror> can you show us the url for that discussion?
[13:00] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767746 but this guy is redirected to a thread I don't know which one, and otherwise suggested a thread for 64-bit which I don't know if it applies.
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767683&highlight=flash is the other one (64-bit)
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> One suggestion is to move to Chrome from Chromium.
[13:01] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's also referring to Chrome not Chromium
[13:04] <bioterror> are you using 64bit, OswaldGlinkmeyer
[13:04] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> In the package manager there are a couple of Flash-looking things that aren't checked, and I wonder if I should use those and see.  No, 32-bit here.
[13:05] <bioterror> how did you install your flash?
[13:05] <bioterror> you downloaded a file from adobes site or what?
[13:05] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> In package manager I see adobe-flashplugin (10.1.102.64-1) checked.
[13:05] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> I don't know how I got it originally.
[13:06] <bioterror> hmm
[13:06] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's just been working until now.
[13:06] <bioterror> 10.10 has: Version: 10.3.181.22ubuntu0.10.10.1
[13:06] <bioterror> OswaldGlinkmeyer, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[13:07] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Yeah, I see that one in the package manager just above the one that's checked.
[13:07] <bioterror> yep
[13:07] <bioterror> that's correct package
[13:07] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Is apt-get any better than the Synaptic?
[13:08] <bioterror> I prefer it
[13:08] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> Or is one just a front-end for the other?
[13:08] <bioterror> synaptic is front-end for it
[13:09] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> OK, apt-get is running
[13:10] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> It's removing the old version.
[13:10] <bioterror> good
[13:11] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> OK, no warning message now when I go to flash site.
[13:11] <bioterror> there you go
[13:11] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> thanks. I think that did it.
[13:12] <OswaldGlinkmeyer> gotta go.  thanks again.
[13:12] <bioterror> np, laters
[15:26] <imacalcutt> Is the alpha program being updated or should I wait for the alpha 2 release? I tried to run the alpha 1 program from the cd but was unsuccessful.
[15:47] <phillw> imacalcutt: what problem did you have with the alpha1?
[15:49] <imacalcutt> when I put in the cd and rebooted my computer, it just booted normally without recognizing the cd
[15:50] <phillw> use terminal to check the md5sum on the cd
[15:54] <phillw> dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=311335 | md5sum
[15:55] <phillw> that should give you the checksum as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[15:55] <imacalcutt> so you are telling me that it should have started properly?
[15:55] <phillw> it sould, if your bios is set to boot 1st from cd
[15:56] <imacalcutt> I have since thrown out the cd and deleted the download
[15:56] <imacalcutt> It is
[15:56] <imacalcutt> I will give it another go
[15:56] <imacalcutt> thanks for the info
[15:57] <phillw> if the torrent is slow, the direct load is off my server and may be faster.
[16:00] <imacalcutt> okay. thanks
[16:15] <phillw-virtual> hmm, quite painless :) Now running 11.10 a1 :D
[17:07] <phillw> ;topic Welcome to #lubuntu || Please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat  ||  Lubuntu 11.04 is available via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu (please use the torrent feed).  || Always follow the channel guidelines.
[17:07] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[18:07] <leszek> hi
[19:14] <beef-supreme> anyone on?
[19:14] <bioterror> sure
[19:14] <beef-supreme> hey
[19:14] <beef-supreme> whats up? :D
[19:14] <bioterror> wwatching tv
[19:15] <beef-supreme> i'm recording my dad's video casettes to hdd
[19:16] <beef-supreme> what desktop environment do you use?
[19:19] <bioterror> actually none atm. ;)
[19:19] <beef-supreme> window manager?
[19:20] <elros> lxde is the way
[19:20] <bioterror> laptop has openbox with tint2 and desktop is using windowmaker crm
[19:20] <beef-supreme> bioterror, openbox w/ tint2 is what i'm using
[19:20] <beef-supreme> i had to install lubuntu
[19:21] <beef-supreme> because ubuntu ties everything to gnome and unity
[19:21] <beef-supreme> and ubuntu minimal just wont work
[19:24] <bioterror> unity is less of my concerns. I just cant stand plymouth
[19:26] <beef-supreme> well lubuntu uses plymouth too
[19:32] <elros> beef-supreme: you can first install lubuntu-core, then the programs you want to use, install debfoster, remove ubuntu-desktop and run debfoster
[19:33] <elros> it runs trough every installed package and checks its dependencies: for example mozilla-vlc keeps vlc and its libs in place if you use that
[19:33] <beef-supreme> i installed lubuntu and removed lubuntu-desktop, lxde-desktop
[19:33] <beef-supreme> mostly everything i could remove
[19:34] <elros> just a caution: if you don't know what a package does, it's safer to keep it
[19:35] <elros> this is more important in debian because ubuntu-minimal & ubuntu-standard have lots of necessary deps
[19:38] <beef-supreme> does anyone here use xmobar?
[19:44] <bioterror> xmonad stuff
[19:45] <Unit193> Awesome isn't too bad once you get the hang of it
[19:47] <silverarrow> I have trouble reading an external harddisk in lubuntu
[19:47] <silverarrow> ...and adding, anything really
[19:47] <silverarrow> it is detected
[19:50] <bioterror> Unit193, not taking part in this ;)
[19:51] <silverarrow> how do you use a separate hard drive in  lubuntu?
[19:51] <bioterror> silverarrow, but what?
[19:51] <silverarrow> I cannot read or add anyting to the hard drive
[19:51] <bioterror> what if you mount it by hand
[19:51] <bioterror> what does it say?
[19:51] <silverarrow> it's a 320GB separate hard drive, 7200 rmp
[19:52] <silverarrow> how do I do that?
[19:52] <bioterror> silverarrow, Unit193 will assist you ;)
[19:53] <silverarrow> unit193?
[19:54] <Unit193> silverarrow: Can you open pcmanfm awith gksudo and write to it?
[19:56] <silverarrow> hmm, on no, not the terminal window
[19:56] <silverarrow> oh*
[19:57] <Unit193> It doesn't work or you don't like the terminal?
[19:58] <silverarrow> I am really crap with the terminal window
[19:58] <silverarrow> : (
[19:58] <silverarrow> I can't even read it
[19:58] <bioterror> use alt+f2 then
[19:58] <silverarrow> I have no trouble with USB flash drives on this computer
[19:59] <Unit193> Mounting via fstab might do it
[19:59] <silverarrow> hmm, no such file or directry
[20:00] <Unit193> You hit alt+f2 typed in   gksudo pcmanfm   ?
[20:01] <silverarrow> hmm, permission denied
[20:03] <Unit193> If it opened, go to the place where it was mounted. pcmanfm did open?
[20:03] <silverarrow> harddisk is detected as ST932056 20AS in disk utilities
[20:05] <silverarrow> it seems I only get the internal hard drive then
[20:05] <silverarrow> it doesn't read periohiral devices
[20:05] <silverarrow> peripheral
[20:06] <bioterror> is it ntfs drive?
[20:06] <silverarrow> maybe external hard drives for extra storage isn't a good idea in lubuntu?
[20:06] <silverarrow> a what?
[20:07] <silverarrow> I'm not shore about the filesystem,
[20:07] <silverarrow> I haven't done a thing to it
[20:07] <silverarrow> ntfs is windows?
[20:07] <Unit193> silverarrow: Can you type   sudo fdisk -l   into the terminal?
[20:08] <Unit193> ntfs is mostly used by windows
[20:08] <bioterror> Unit193, I prefer nowdays 'sudo blkid'
[20:08] <bioterror> gives exact information
[20:08] <silverarrow> [sudo] password for silverarrow:
[20:08] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
[20:08] <silverarrow> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:08] <silverarrow> Disk identifier: 0x0009444c
[20:09] <silverarrow>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda1   *           1       38783   311521280   83  Linux
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda2           38783       38914     1047553    5  Extended
[20:09] <silverarrow> /dev/sda5           38783       38914     1047552   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[20:09] <Unit193> Oh crap...
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sdb: 320.1 GB, 320072932864 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
[20:09] <silverarrow> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
[20:09] <silverarrow> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition
[20:09] <silverarrow> no good?
[20:09] <bioterror> haha
[20:09] <bioterror> I wonder why
[20:10] <Unit193> If he has nothing on it, he could just format it
[20:10] <silverarrow> please do put me straigh
[20:10] <silverarrow> straight
[20:10] <bioterror> silverarrow, if that drive is unused, format it with disk utility
[20:10] <elros> install gparted
[20:10] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:11] <silverarrow> I did try and add a picture to it in windows 7 just for test
[20:12] <silverarrow> but it's all new, not used for anything really
[20:12] <elros> you just committed a misdemeanor by saying "windows 7"
[20:12] <elros> :)
[20:12] <bioterror> elros, njaeh, he could have said "OS X"
[20:12] <elros> "windows vista" is a felony
[20:12] <Unit193> silverarrow: If you need/want to use it on windows, you will have to format it in a format it can read
[20:13] <Unit193> elros: +1! That is crapsta...
[20:13] <bioterror> bs
[20:13] <bioterror> vista is good
[20:13] <bioterror> no problemos
[20:13] <silverarrow> what?
[20:13] <elros> just hijacking your help with microsoft jokes
[20:14] <silverarrow> lol
[20:14] <silverarrow> I'm just not used to hard drives for external storage
[20:15] <silverarrow> I have this idiot proof thing for back up, all automatic
[20:16] <silverarrow> ok will format,
[20:16] <bioterror> use FAT32
[20:16] <bioterror> and your windows will understand it too
[20:16] <silverarrow> thanks
[20:16] <bioterror> ExFAT is coming!
[20:16] <bioterror> I heard that's propietary fs
[20:16] <elros> vfat = fat32
[20:17] <silverarrow> this is getting difficult
[20:17] <elros> silverarrow: install gparted, it has a gui
[20:17] <silverarrow> ...getting gparted
[20:18] <elros> after that, run it with 'sudo gparted'
[20:18] <szczur> bioterror, i don't think that FAT32 on 320GB HDD is the sign of sanity :P
[20:18] <bioterror> oh y eah
[20:18] <bioterror> true dat :D
[20:18] <szczur> NTFS works without problems nowadays on both linux and windows
[20:18] <bioterror> yeah, 3G
[20:18] <elros> hey, you have 4gb filesize limit with fat32
[20:18] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:18] <elros> remember that
[20:18]  * bioterror takes coat
[20:19] <Unit193> gksudo!
[20:19] <bioterror> but I like my girls like I like my filesystem!
[20:19] <Unit193> elros: It's not good to run GUI apps with sudo, use gksudo
[20:19] <bioterror> my #1 dslr uses Fat16 ;)
[20:19] <elros> you can launch a terminal and then run sudo gparted
[20:20] <Unit193> !gksudo
[20:20] <elros> of course, alt+f2 'gksudo gparted' is better
[20:20] <silverarrow> you are messing with me?
[20:20] <bioterror> or gksu!
[20:20] <elros> or is there a difference?
[20:21] <phillw> gksu == gksudo (it's a link)
[20:21] <bioterror> symlink
[22:03] <linuxman410> hi anyone here
[22:04] <linuxman410> i have  question about lubuntu
[22:04] <bioterror> !ask | linuxman410
[22:05] <linuxman410> my question is how come lubuntu lxde will install on my laptop but fedore lxde requires 640 megs of ram
[22:09] <linuxman410> is lubuntu as secure as the other distros
[22:09] <leszek> it should be
[22:10] <leszek> I don't know why fedora lxde needs 640 mb of ram, thats seems to be an odd number anyways
[22:10] <leszek> -s
[22:11] <linuxman410> leszek is it secure enough for banking and paying bills
[22:11] <leszek> linuxman410 why shouldn't it be ?
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> leszek: to install ?
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: ssl (https) == secure enough for banking
[22:12] <linuxman410> just asking
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: most people who claim a live CD is "more secure" do not understand security =)
[22:12] <leszek> :)
[22:13] <leszek> the question is how you define security or "secure"
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> not really leszek
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> ;P
[22:14] <linuxman410> bodhi_zazen i am going to install lubuntu 11.04 since fedora 15 lxde will not install
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: nothing wrong with lubuntu
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> but just for my info, did you try adding a swap partition ?
[22:15] <linuxman410> yeah still no go
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> shame
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> well, they are working on a fix, but probably not until F16
[22:16] <bioterror> whata's the problem with swap?
[22:16] <bioterror> ahhh fedora
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> bioterror: nothing, it is a Fedora 15 problem with the installer
[22:16] <linuxman410> i know i really like fedora but if i cannot install it i will cross over to lubuntu
[22:16] <bioterror> make swap partition, give it swapon and add it fstab
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I am stalking linuxman410 as he asked in #fedora and I noticed the nick here ;P
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> linuxman410: install F14
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> and upgrade
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> preupgrade works fantastic in fedora
[22:19] <linuxman410> that is ok lubuntu is almost installed now and the i just have to update it
[22:22] <linuxman410> lubuntu just got another user
[22:22] <phillw> :)
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> lubuntu is a nice distro, I only mentioned fedora as you mentioned that was your first choice
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> If you are new to linux, ubuntu is better at hand holding =)
[22:26] <linuxman410> well now i have a new first choice
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> My first choice is always the one that runs on my hardware ;P
[22:26] <linuxman410> i am not a newbie i have been using linux since 1995
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> Sweet
[22:27] <linuxman410> my first os was mandrake
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> What distro did you use in '95 ?
[22:28] <linuxman410> mandrake
[22:28] <bioterror> bs
[22:28] <bioterror> first mandrake was based on rh 5.1
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> i read about ubuntu 11.04 haing problems with power consumption...
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> does lubuntu 11.04 have those issues as well?
[22:29] <Heinz_L_Maennche> because i would like to upgrade to 11.04
[22:31] <linuxman410> bioterror so i cannot remember
[22:31] <linuxman410> it has been a long time
[22:34] <linuxman410> got it it was debian 2.0
[22:35] <linuxman410> then mandrake
[22:36] <linuxman410> it took 3 days to download iso image of debian 2.0 on dial up
[22:36] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: I've not read too much on power consumption, but at least one person has said they get much longer battery life with lubuntu. I've not compared them, so cannot deffinately say. Easiest way is to try it out :)
[22:37] <linuxman410> i still have the burned cd of first distro
[22:38] <Heinz_L_Maennche> phillw, i do know that lubuntu is better at saving battery...but my question is, if 11.04 wastes more power than 10.10
[22:38] <linuxman410> i have downloaded so many versions i have boxes of cds
[22:38] <Heinz_L_Maennche> since i read about some bug in the kernel they could not fix yet...
[22:39] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: I have not seen any chatter on the mailing list for Lubuntu 11.04 concerning increased power usage.
[22:40] <Heinz_L_Maennche> phillw, ok...thank you :-) i'll test it myself then...if i run into something i'll let u guys know
[22:41] <phillw> Heinz_L_Maennche: that is always the best way. The guy I saw quoting had nearly an extra hour with using the lubuntu variant.
[22:41] <bioterror> maybe he found out how to lower screen brightness, it does magics ;)
[22:41] <phillw> just be aware that the screen saver is known to 'eat' energy!
[22:43] <Heinz_L_Maennche> yeah...i had an equal experience with 10.10...it does indeed need much less power than ubuntu/xubuntu and of course Kubuntu...
[22:44] <Heinz_L_Maennche> bioterror, yeah^^ display really eats battery...even a small netbook screen
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> bioterror: linuxman410 ran into this Fedora bug : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Installation_requires_more_memory
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> nasty ;P
[22:46] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: ouch! nasty :/
[22:46] <linuxman410> i am a member of one of the ubuntu teams and proud of it
[22:47] <bioterror> even the cheapest netbooks comes with 4GB nowdays :P
[22:48] <Heinz_L_Maennche> linuxman410, you can...ubuntu is a great distro...i run it on most of my mashines...but on my netbook i think i might switch to lubuntu because of the batteryLife
[22:48] <phillw> and there's us moaning at ubiquity needing 160 - 192MB of RAM :P
[22:48] <bioterror> phillw, indeed
[22:49] <linuxman410> oh yeah lubuntu would run good on a netbook
[22:50] <linuxman410> i am running ubuntu with unit on main machine it has 1.5 gig of ram
[22:50] <linuxman410> unity
[22:50] <Heinz_L_Maennche> the only thing i kind of dislike is that lubuntu looks a lot like kde when u first start it^^ but since u can customize it^^
[22:51] <Heinz_L_Maennche> well...unity is still a little uncustomizable for my taste...but i am positive ubuntu will improve on that...i really like how the titlebar fits into the top panel
[22:51] <Heinz_L_Maennche> but i would like to use another dock than the build in
[22:52] <Heinz_L_Maennche> or at least move the build in dock to the buttom
[22:53] <linuxman410> i bought a cheap laptop of ebay has a p4 2.2 celeron and 384 ram got it for 54 dollars
[22:54] <linuxman410> it is running lubuntu now
[22:54] <phillw> it should be quite happy with lubuntu on that spec :)
[22:59] <linuxman410> phillw lubuntu is running great
[23:00] <phillw> I'm biased, but I really like it. It has taken everything I've thrown at it :)
[23:01] <linuxman410> i like the fact 11.04 comes with xchat already installed
[23:01] <bioterror> tell it on the mailing list