[10:37] <brendand_> every time i try to edit the Bug Day page it's giving a server error. changes still go through
[10:38] <hggdh> brendand_: unfortunately, known issue on the wiki, still being worked on
[10:39] <brendand_> hggdh - i'm just wondering is that why i can't get the hug-day tools to work today
[10:39] <hggdh> hum
[10:39] <hggdh> not sure
[10:39] <brendand_> i think my .hugday-config is correct
[10:40] <brendand_> it's got moin_id set so should be okay (set correctly i'm not so sure)
[10:40] <brendand_> can someone try using them?
[10:40] <brendand_> so i can be sure
[10:41] <hggdh> brendand_: it could be, only real way to know is to add some debugging to the tool
[10:41] <hggdh> (I cannot test it now)
[10:41] <brendand_> ok
[10:42] <brendand_> if anyone who was using it succesfully last time is reading this, can you please try with this weeks hugday?
[10:42] <brendand_> i had it working but had to do a reinstall in between
[10:48] <brendand_> what's the best response to 'i didn't install libdvdcss' bugs in totem?
[10:48] <brendand_> Invalid?
[10:59] <hggdh> brendand_: can you give us a bug #?
[10:59] <brendand_> well there's more than 1 :)
[11:00] <hggdh> one of them?
[11:00] <brendand_> of course
[11:00] <brendand_> just waiting for the page to load
[11:01] <brendand_> bug #760981
[11:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760981 in totem (Ubuntu) "tried to play a DVD... (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760981
[11:03] <hggdh> huh
[11:03] <hggdh> brendand_: "it is not as simple as that, so marking invalid" is not a good answer
[11:04] <brendand_> perhaps
[11:04] <hggdh> is there an easy way to install the necessary decoders? It is documented, and easily accessible?
[11:04] <brendand_> it's not codecs, it's libdvdcss which we aren't allowed to ship or even provide in repositories for legal reasons
[11:05] <brendand_> there is a script buried in /usr/share/docs/
[11:05] <brendand_> i believe that's the best we're able to do under the circumstances
[11:06] <hggdh> I understand. *We* cannot provide it. Nothing prohibits us from linking an information page (and adding a blurb stating _why_ we cannot directly provide it
[11:06] <hggdh> but this should be easily accessible to a casual user
[11:06] <hggdh> (my personal view)
[11:07] <brendand_> would be my personal view too
[11:07] <brendand_> i guess the companies that own the encryption keys don't agree
[11:07] <hggdh> but, no matter what, just saying this is not a simple solution, so !invalid! is _not_ the answer we need to get across
[11:08] <brendand_> i'd like to give the right answer though
[11:08] <hggdh> even if we cannot even link, for legal reasons, we should give the end-user an easily accessible reasoning
[11:08] <brendand_> i don't believe it's 'we haven't bothered yet'
[11:09]  * brendand_ wants to find someone who knows the right answer
[11:10] <hggdh> neither do I -- but I do not use DVDs, so I never had this issue. But the basic point remains: either we (1) provide links to where it can be done, or (2) provide an explanation on why we cannot do even that
[11:10] <hggdh> and it should be visible
[11:10] <augustinT> I think you can just explain that you can't ship libdvdcss for legal reason
[11:11] <augustinT> by commenting the bug
[11:11] <autra> ?
[11:11] <hggdh> this would resolve the bug (perhaps), but not the lack of information issue in the general case
[11:12] <hggdh> getting back to it -- and this is part of bug triage ;-) -- what we have is a series of bugs asking for 'how to play a DVD'. We can answer and close all of them now
[11:13] <hggdh> but this is not *solving* the problem. Not knowing how to play a DVD is not really the _base_ issue here
[11:13] <hggdh> the base issue is not having this information readily (and clearly) accessible to the end user
[11:14] <hggdh> by answering the bugs we are solving a specific user problem, but not the real issue.
[11:15] <hggdh> until this happens, we will have bugs opened with the same Q. Again, and again.
[11:22] <brendand_> hgddh - that's something we'll have to live with if the situation we have today is the best can be done legally speaking
[11:22] <brendand_> hgddh - of course there is another way to play encrypted dvd which is to buy an application from the software center
[11:35] <loganaden> hi
[11:39] <hggdh> brendand_: indeed, but this is not the *cause* for these bugs. The bugs are a consequence of lack of information
[11:40] <brendand_> hggdh - yep, fully agree. trying to find out why we don't give more info
[14:27] <jibel> pedro_, hi
[14:28] <jibel> pedro_, I think bug 795332 is a gtk 3 bug not 2, isn't it ?
[14:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 795332 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in app_chooser_online_get_default_ready_cb() (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795332
[14:28] <pedro_> hello jibel
[14:29] <roadmr> hi folks: bug 780962 and bug 792501 look the same to me, I'd like to dupe them but am unsure if it should go under unity or libreoffice. Also, unable to duplicate, but two people with the same problem looks legit enough to me
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 780962 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Conflict with unity dock (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780962
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792501 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "sidebar launcher apears unexpected when i use libreoffice (affects: 3) (heat: 353)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792501
[14:30] <pedro_> jibel, yeah but lp doesn't want to change it to gtk+3.0 :-P
[14:31] <jibel> pedro_, indeed, that's weird
[14:31] <pedro_> tried the same the other day in the end i just leave it as gtk+2.0
[14:32] <jibel> it doesn't even want to reset to ubuntu ???
[14:33] <jibel> the error is ''None' is a binary package. This bug has been assigned to its source package 'gtk+2.0' instead.'
[14:33] <roadmr> oh, apt-get install None?
[14:34] <pedro_> hahaha
[14:35]  * pedro_ tries
[14:35]  * jibel asking on #launchpad
[14:51] <charlie-tca> hggdh: how do I get weechat to beep for pm's to me?
[14:51] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you have to install a plugin
[14:51] <hggdh> charlie-tca: let me check
[14:53] <hggdh> charlie-tca: there are some, the easiest to install is beep
[14:53] <pedro_> hello charlie-tca hggdh :-)
[14:53] <hggdh> pedro_: good afternoon!
[14:53] <charlie-tca> Hello, pedro_
[14:53] <charlie-tca> hggdh: thanks. I will do that
[14:53] <hggdh> charlie-tca:  /weeget install beep
[14:53] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:53] <charlie-tca> huh?
[14:54] <hggdh> charlie-tca: on the "1" channel, enter "/weeget install beep"
[14:54] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:56] <hggdh> it will actually work from any channel, but the responses will only show up on the "1"
[14:57] <charlie-tca> weeget is not recognized
[14:57] <hggdh> huh?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> it doesn't know the command "/weeget"
[14:58] <hggdh> charlie-tca: try /help weeget
[14:58] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:58] <hggdh> charlie-tca: what weechat version are you running?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> 3.5
[14:59] <charlie-tca> file:///home/charlie/.weechat/perl/beep.pl
[14:59] <charlie-tca> file:///home/charlie/.weechat/perl/beep.pl
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I hate this
[15:00] <charlie-tca> anyway, "weeget" is not a command or option.
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I will dig into the docs
[15:00] <hggdh> charlie-tca: heh. sudo apt-get install weechat-plugins weechat-scripts
[15:01] <hggdh> ( am running GIT, and I forget about the packages0
[15:01] <hggdh> )
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Hard enough to learn this again. Got to stay with stable until I can make things work.
[15:02] <charlie-tca> hggdh: Thanks for the help
[15:04] <hggdh> yeah. Glad to be able to help
[15:20] <charlie-tca> hggdh: now I done it... Found weeget, got more scripts available than I will ever need :)
[15:22] <hggdh> charlie-tca: heh. Welcome to plugin hell (which one I choose, etc)
[15:22] <charlie-tca> seems so. Thanks
[16:39] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 796311 has a patch
[16:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 796311 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Unity progress bar should hide when not needed (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796311
[17:01] <mvo> thanks bdmurray - I check it out
[18:22] <loganaden> hi
[19:38] <bdmurray> what wiki page talks about workarounds?
[19:40] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: workarounds for what?
[19:40] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[22:52] <njin> hello, can someone set bug 797873 to madium for me, thanks
[22:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 797873 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity 2.7.7: update system, wrong process (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797873