[00:00] <paultag> Rather then a 10 in looks and 5 in smarts, I'd take a 7 in looks and 8 in smarts
[00:01] <paultag> (given a 15 total score, of course)
[00:02] <rrnwexec> paultag: got a sec for some UCW stuff?
[00:03] <paultag> rrnwexec: sure, of course
[00:24] <jcastro> pleia2: heya
[00:25] <jcastro> so when is john planned to go on?
[00:25] <pleia2> jcastro: in 20 minutes
[00:25] <jcastro> ok
[00:26] <pleia2> (he can be late, it's early that we were worried about :))
[00:26] <jcastro> oh ok
[00:26] <jcastro> awesome
[00:26] <jcastro> depends, smoser is being boring. :)
[00:26] <jcastro> (j/k)
[00:26] <pleia2> hahah
[00:27] <nigelb> jcastro: dammit, all the cool guys are in your loco :|
[00:28] <nigelb> jcastro: Isn't DBO somewhere near you too? :)
[00:28] <pleia2> nigelb: pfft, some are in mine too
[00:28] <nigelb> pleia2: between fl, ca, and mi, we have a whole lot of cool people :)
[00:30] <nhandler> What about IL ?
[00:30] <jono> pleia2, can you give rrnwexec access to the Classroom Cal?
[00:30] <jono> thanks
[00:31] <pleia2> rrnwexec: what's your gmail account you use for calendars so I can invite you?
[00:31] <pleia2> randall@executiv.es is already on there
[00:33] <rrnwexec> pleai2: that's the one. let me log in and check my access
[00:36] <rrnwexec> pleia2: i'm in :)
[00:37] <pleia2> rrnwexec: just be very careful with the syntax, otherwise you break the bot
[00:37] <pleia2> so let us know if you add any sessions so we can review it in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[00:37] <rrnwexec> pleia2: will do thanks
[00:37] <pleia2> (typically people just ask us to add sessions rather than giving direct access - breaking the calendar can break the bot for all sessions in classroom)
[00:38] <pleia2> .ics is finicky :)
[00:45] <jcastro> jono: can I get an RT on this pls: https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuunity/status/80782444109905920
[00:46] <jono> jcastro, done
[00:46] <jcastro> ta.
[00:47] <jcastro> man, this event is awesome
[00:47] <jcastro> loco driven lightning event = ftw.
[00:47] <nigelb> heh
[00:54] <jcastro> pleia2: 5 minutes?
[00:54] <pleia2> sure
[01:01] <jcastro> pleia2: ok he's started the presentation
[01:02] <jcastro> so I will just pretend to start a class
[01:02] <pleia2> sounds good
[01:18] <jcastro> pleia2: awesome, all done. Thanks! <3
[01:18] <pleia2> jcastro: sure thing! :)
[01:18] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/
[01:18] <nigelb> jcastro: PICS OR IT NEVER HAPPENED
[01:18] <nigelb> :)
[01:24] <nhandler> Hmm...I just remembered, lernid can be used as the ultimate rick roll ;)
[01:24] <nigelb> nhandler: dammit, you shouldn't have said it aloud :P
[01:25] <nigelb> New security bug!
[01:25] <nhandler> nigelb: Well, it restricts who can send it URLs
[01:25] <nigelb> nhandler: classroom team can bypassthat ;)
[01:25]  * nigelb plots evil during jcastro's next session
[01:26] <nigelb> j/k :)
[01:26] <nhandler> nigelb: I have a great image for that session ;)
[01:27] <nhandler> nigelb: See the pic I PMed you ;)
[01:28] <nigelb> nhandler: TOTALLY!
[01:28] <nigelb> nhandler: nixternal?
[01:28] <nhandler> nigelb: Yep
[01:29] <nigelb> We can blackmail jcastro. For bug fixes!
[01:43] <nhandler> nigelb: Every few events, I toss that up on a projector
[02:27] <nigelb> nhandler: haha
[02:27] <paultag> nigelb: when are you getting one?
[02:27] <nigelb> paultag: Need to see if I can sweet talk mhall119 into not hacking it if I get it mailed to him ;)
[02:28] <paultag> nigelb: bah
[02:28] <paultag> nigelb: it's a good thing you did not ask me, I'd *SO* fsck with it
[02:28] <nigelb> paultag: I know!
[02:28] <nhandler> paultag: Is it actually worth getting a nook over some of those other tablets?
[02:28] <paultag> I'd burn in a new boot image
[02:28] <nigelb> nhandler: Yeah, cheap hackable android tablet :)
[02:28] <nigelb> nhandler: Also, e-ink <3
[02:28] <paultag> nhandler: well, depends. It's cheep (120 USD), and it's fast (CPU is nice), and eInk rules, but it's slow
[02:29] <paultag> nhandler: no audio card, no bluetooth (so far we have not hacked the kernel, but it's "doable"), nothing fancy, but it works and it's a solid platform
[02:29] <pleia2> no audio? the original nook played music
[02:29] <paultag> nhandler: touch screen is nice and responsive, but the unit it's self is crap for running video or audio
[02:29] <paultag> pleia2: yeah, they stripped it way down
[02:29] <nigelb> But really
[02:29] <nigelb> I want to read books
[02:30] <nigelb> not listen to music  :)
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: I'm going to rebuild the kernel once they release source to enable Bluetooth, so I can do audio over the line. Turns out it comes with the audio player
[02:30] <pleia2> I've never actually used it :)
[02:30] <nigelb> pleia2: Now you're not getting a new one are you? :P
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: the WiFi card has bluetooth onboard, which is cool, but it's disabled OTB
[02:30] <nhandler> paultag: Alright. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do for next year regarding computers. Right now, I have a cr-48 which I will use for notes, and I'm looking at a Thinkpad T520 as a new laptop
[02:30] <pleia2> paultag: interesting
[02:30] <paultag> it's the same card thats in the Nook Color
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: I'm working on doing some nifty things after I get Nookie working
[02:30] <pleia2> :)
[02:31] <mhall119> nigelb: did you just give up on sleep?
[02:31] <paultag> nhandler: that sounds about right
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: Yeah.
[02:31] <paultag> pleia2: it's so close, but I know such little android that GUI development is going *SO SLOWLY*
[02:31] <nigelb> 01:27 < nigelb> its too bright!
[02:31] <nigelb> 01:27 < nigelb> UDS all over again.
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[02:31] <nhandler> paultag: I just need to decide if it is worth chopping off some features from the laptop to get a tablet or not, and then I need to decide what I'll use the tablet for ;)
[02:31] <paultag> pleia2: the libs are complete, but it's a pain to get all the stuff implemented
[02:31] <nigelb> Just got a new laptop stand and keyboard. ebay in the morning is dangerous
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: the Nook is nice, but PDFs can be hard, it's reflow code can break pretty easy. It has some issues with barfing on some files pretty bad
[02:32] <pleia2> paultag: *nod*
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: it should work in most cases, but not all, and frankly, that's not good enough
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: I'd not use it for school if it were me, but that's just me.
[02:32] <paultag> We had computers in class anyway, so I just relied on them, and if they failed, it was not on me :)
[02:32] <nigelb> Now I'm convinced paultag isn't being paid by B and N to spread the Nook love to Ubuntu folks :P
[02:33] <paultag> nigelb: I'm fixing the mistakes they left in :)
[02:33] <nigelb> paultag: "mistakes" or mistakes? ;)
[02:33] <paultag> it's good as a toy right now, I want to use it for real work
[02:33] <nhandler> paultag: Yep. Although I'm not too thrilled about spending 2k on a laptop right now
[02:33] <paultag> miss. steaks
[02:33] <nigelb> heh
[02:33] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I was not either. I broke it sophmore year, right before I headed back to school.
[02:33] <paultag> nhandler: I ended up getting a desktop and a netbook
[02:34] <paultag> nhandler: I figured I did not need to do any heavy lifting when I was out of my room, and I was right. Never missed a fullsized laptop when I was in school
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm actually scared to step into the used books store in my city.
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm afraid I'll spend all my money right there :)
[02:34] <mhall119> nigelb: the way they drive over there, I'd be afraid to step out
[02:34] <mhall119> ;)
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: Oh, you haven't seen me drive ;)
[02:35] <mhall119> and god willing I never will
[02:35] <paultag> nhandler: ended up about 800 for the desktop in parts (I had tons lying around, so it was cheep), and the netbook was about 300, so you get out with about 1,100 USD
[02:35] <nigelb> mhall119: I should take you on a ride on my Bike through Bangalore city.
[02:35] <paultag> and you have the chrome book, so you don't even need a netbook
[02:35] <nigelb> paultag, nhandler: starcraftman's b'day today!
[02:36] <nigelb> where today = 15th June
[02:36] <nhandler> paultag: The cr-48 is fine if I am working in a terminal, but there are certain things where having an actual desktop and multiple windows is useful. I also need somewhere to put all of my music/videos :)
[02:36] <paultag> wooo, I love that kid
[02:36] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I used a desktop for that (actually, my netbook has 160 GB, so it has movies and music for hack sessions)
[02:37] <paultag> but the rest, that is
[02:38] <nhandler> Well, right now, this is the computer I'm looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/626997/
[02:38] <paultag> nhandler: looks like a solid machine. Sucks you have a windows tax on there, though
[02:39] <paultag> better video card in that then in my desktop. Tis a sad day.
[02:39] <nhandler> paultag: They had no option to get rid of it :(
[02:39] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I hear ya. Happened to my Netbook. Sometimes you can't avoid it. System76 rules, but they're hella expensive
[02:39] <paultag> nhandler: you figure we should get a discount for working on it's OS :)
[02:41] <paultag> I'm half kidding. I don't expect it, but in a perfect world ;)
[02:41] <nhandler> Discounts are always nice. Although, I do like the dual mouse setup on thinkpads
[02:41] <mhall119> in a perfect world, they'd be selling enough that their margins would allow discounts
[02:41] <paultag> mhall119: that's true.
[02:41] <paultag> nhandler: aye
[02:42] <mhall119> course, that's the world we're all working towards aren't we?
[02:42] <paultag> sure is
[02:42] <paultag> If I ever opened up a coffee shop or something (not out of the question), I'd find a way to give F/OSS hackers discounted coffee when they're working on a project
[02:42] <nigelb> man, this guy cracks me up https://twitter.com/#!/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/80758245744058368
[02:42] <paultag> perhaps free if I like the project enough
[02:43] <paultag> nigelb: hehe
[02:43] <mhall119> paultag: just have them sign something with their GPG key, and compare it to the projects they claim to work on
[02:43] <nigelb> launchpad integration!
[02:43] <paultag> mhall119: I was thinking that, but if they just put it on a flash drive, they can just give them out to their friends
[02:43] <nigelb> and github and bitbucket
[02:43] <paultag> nigelb: I was thinking that too, but they'd have to auth at a workstation
[02:44] <paultag> nigelb: if it were a USB key I'd love that, they can just plug in and my system will see it
[02:44] <mhall119> paultag: put what on a flash drive?
[02:44] <paultag> mhall119: a GPG signed list of projects or something
[02:44] <nigelb> paultag: Interesting.
[02:44] <paultag> then compare the sig to lp, github or bitbucket
[02:44] <paultag> no google code for you
[02:44] <paultag> perhaps if it fetched their avitar and showed that up too
[02:45] <paultag> but some people don't have their real face as the logo
[02:45] <mhall119> paultag: no, you give them a random number for them to sign, you get the public key listed on their project and verify it
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: that requires they sign for every cup, which is kinda lame
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: I'd want something where they can walk up, plug in, order, plug out
[02:45] <paultag> but it's tough, even with GPG
[02:45] <mhall119> setup online ordering
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: for in-store folks?
[02:46] <mhall119> too bad FireGPG is abandoned
[02:46] <mhall119> paultag: in-store nerds
[02:46] <paultag> humm
[02:46] <paultag> write a CLI tool
[02:46] <nigelb> paultag: really, just give them cashback
[02:46] <paultag> sudo request-coffee --sugar --milk
[02:46] <nigelb> paultag: or a discount for next time
[02:46] <nigelb> so, that way, you can give them discount + return customers
[02:46] <mhall119> oh, you'd have to sell sandwiches then
[02:46] <paultag> actually, that's too long. sudo request-coffee --regular
[02:46] <nigelb> and you get do a verification
[02:46] <paultag> mhall119: well yeah :)
[02:47] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, but that's such a long process
[02:47] <mhall119> but really, requiring root to order coffee?
[02:47] <paultag> but anyway, my F/OSS cafe is a long way off
[02:47] <paultag> mhall119: well yeah
[02:47] <paultag> mhall119: you don't want everyone on your coffee account
[02:47] <paultag> well I guess it's not a system account
[02:47] <paultag> so it should be per user, which means no sudo
[02:47] <paultag> so I guess no sudo
[02:47] <mhall119> sudo -u secretcoffeeuser request-coffee
[02:47] <nigelb> there's a local hackerspace + creative common space that's going to have coworking + cafe
[02:47] <nigelb> I wonder they'll do something like this
[02:48] <paultag> nigelb: It would work if I could somehow get accurate photos of the people who I'm "serving"
[02:48] <paultag> Oh! Facebook! Auto-stalk their photo from the internet
[02:48] <mhall119> I wish I had a GPG-enabled credit card
[02:48] <paultag> mhall119: truth
[02:49] <nigelb> mhall119: s/credit//
[02:49] <nigelb> with cardreads etc
[02:49] <paultag> nigelb: like bitcoin, but physical?
[02:49] <nigelb> *card-readers
[02:49] <paultag> those are GPG'd, and credit-based
[02:49] <nigelb> paultag: No, like ID cards
[02:49] <mhall119> instead of a physical signature, they send the reciept text to my card with a random number, I sign it and pass it back, they send the signed reciept to my bank, who verifies my signature and pays them
[02:49] <nigelb> hey, I'm $foo here for keysigning
[02:49] <nhandler> paultag: You could use a ~/.coffee file to store preferred coffee options
[02:50] <paultag> nhandler: truth!
[02:50]  * nigelb takes a stepback to see how geeky this conversation got
[02:50] <paultag> ~/.coffeerc
[02:50] <paultag> export COFFEE_DEFAULT="--black"
[02:50] <nhandler> paultag: I might need to implement that next year. They have a coffee stand at the CS building ;)
[02:50] <paultag> nhandler: I was actually thinking the same thing, but with the coffee machine upstairs
[02:51] <paultag> I bet I can get an arduino wired up to brew
[02:51] <paultag> and I only take coffee black, so all is well
[02:51] <nigelb> perfect arduno hacking project
[02:51] <paultag> nigelb: nook first :)
[02:51] <mhall119> paultag: I have a nook problem
[02:52] <nhandler> I have an arduino, but I don't have the knowledge (and probably parts) to do that (yet)
[02:52] <mhall119> i just downloaded like 50 public domain or CC'd books for my nook
[02:52] <paultag> mhall119: sure
[02:52] <paultag> nhandler: it's fairly simple to do with a few relays, or a few TIP transistors
[02:52] <mhall119> so, now whenever I have enough free time to hack it, it also means I have enough free time to read nerdy/intellectuall stuff (for free!)
[02:53] <paultag> mhall119: oh no
[02:53] <mhall119> rooting my have to wait until I'm done with Tolsoy
[02:53] <paultag> mhall119: time to break into your nook and rm -rf it all
[02:53] <mhall119> lol
[02:53] <nhandler> mhall119: You also reminded me, I need to find someone to make me a basic cli app that copies a song/video to my iPod touch (after checking it isn't already on the device)
[02:54] <paultag> mhall119: it's ok. Take your time. You're a hacker. You'll start to feel the itch. It'll be dull at first (Oooh, shiny new toy!), but then. One day. The settings menu won't have enough options. You'll touch buttons before they show up. You'll throw it around. You'll be back. They always come back.
[02:58] <mhall119> heh, no doubt
[03:13] <paultag> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq6JV4pYXQ&feature=related ← I can't get this out of my head. it's been there all day. This band rocks. Figure I'll spread the love
[03:14] <nhandler> Wow. I just went to music.google.com by chance, and it said I was invited. Turns out I completely missed the email yesterday
[03:15] <nigelb> dammit
[03:15] <nigelb> Not available outside of US
[03:16] <nhandler> nigelb: Try Grooveshark
[03:18] <pleia2> nhandler: huh, me too! I don't think I got an email...
[03:18]  * pleia2 headscratch
[03:19] <nhandler> pleia2: Search your email. I didn't remember seeing it either.
[03:20] <pleia2> was filtered strangely
[03:20] <nigelb> nhandler: I use grooveshark often, but I thought google music would have been cool :)
[03:21] <nhandler> nigelb: The interface works a bit better (and the free music selection is not too bad), but other than that, not too different
[03:21]  * nhandler really wants a site that does videos
[03:45] <mhall119> you mean MTV?
[03:53] <nigelb> heh
[03:53] <IdleOne> mtv does videos now?
[03:54] <mhall119> s/now/15 years ago/
[03:54] <IdleOne> yeah back in the day they did
[04:36] <paultag> hey IdleOne
[04:36] <paultag> howareya? Long time no see
[06:37] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/
[06:37] <jono> :-)
[06:43] <AlanBell> ah, I thought that was going to be a metal-free software song
[06:52] <jono> :-)
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <dpm> good morning
[08:10] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:11] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[08:58] <kim0> morning
[09:22] <nigelb> morning
[09:22] <nigelb> dpm: Hi
[09:23] <nigelb> dpm: for developer.ubuntu.com, do you have a style guide or an example article for me to write a new one? (I have a WI)
[09:24] <dpm> hi nigelb, not yet, but if you want to start with it, perhaps we can use yours to create that reference article. What do you think?
[09:24] <nigelb> dpm: heh, ok, so what are we focusing on? GUI applications right?
[09:26] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, yours was on python, so perhaps writing a "Hello Ubuntu" app with quickly. Or something slightly different and more exciting...
[09:26] <nigelb> dpm: I'll see what I can come up with today :)
[09:27] <nigelb> dpm: I'll probably do 3 or 4 iterations before its perfect, but I'd like to start.
[09:28] <dpm> nigelb, sounds excellent :)
[09:28] <nigelb> :)
[09:49] <czajkowski> todays annoying bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/681596
[09:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 681596 in ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-drupal-theme "light-drupal-theme contains hardcoded resources" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[09:56] <nigelb> czajkowski: How do you want to see it fixed?
[09:56] <nigelb> like, I can either talk to the guys involved or help do it myself.
[09:56] <czajkowski> i'm trying to read the scroll back in -website
[09:56] <czajkowski> basically lococouncil has a blog
[09:56] <czajkowski> we wanted to theme it
[09:57] <czajkowski> but seemingly we cant upload this theme to wp
[09:57] <czajkowski> wp.com
[09:57] <nigelb> yes, because of trademark.
[09:57] <czajkowski> yes which is a bit of a pita from our point
[09:57] <czajkowski> so we can a) theme it any old way
[09:58] <czajkowski> b) just try and get blog hosted on a canonical server so we can get it uploaded there
[09:58] <czajkowski> lotta hassle
[09:58] <czajkowski> and just flipping annoying
[09:58] <nigelb> I agree :(
[09:59] <nigelb> If there is a way I can help with this process, let me know.
[09:59] <nigelb> I'd be happy to be involved in any way
[09:59] <czajkowski> thank
[10:01] <head_victim> I'm waiting on an RT so we can think about using the theme for our loco.
[10:01] <czajkowski> head_victim: got a rt number
[10:01] <head_victim> 16894
[10:01] <czajkowski> so in the mood to do anything else bar stuff i need to do
[10:02] <czajkowski> this will distract me
[10:02] <head_victim> Being worked on apparently, I just asked for an update recently.
[10:02] <head_victim> Just thought I'd throw it out there as seemed semi-related
[10:05] <czajkowski> done
[10:06] <head_victim> Cheers, I realise it's provided as a service and I'm not one to complain, was just hoping it hadn't been left in a corner is all.
[10:09] <nigelb> dholbach: \o/ We're doing lightning talks this time too :)
[10:09] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, I added a placeholder session already :)
[10:10] <czajkowski> head_victim: it's not
[10:10] <nigelb> dholbach: It was seriously good last time (despite me having to stay up till 0330)
[10:10] <czajkowski> but the thing you want effects a lotta  things so i guess 3 weeks wasn't enough testing
[10:11] <head_victim> Yeah, I'm not sure who uses canonical hosting and who doesn't (seems quite varied) but they didn't even seem to be overly aware of the community drupal theme when I brought it up.
[10:11] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, that's unfortunate :/
[10:12] <nigelb> dholbach: considering I often sleep at 0400 and 0430, not really :P
[10:12] <head_victim> And in my research all the non canonical hosted ones look most like the new theme and the canonical hosted ones look dated. So trying to get my loco excited about it again I thought a refresh was in order.
[10:12] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, you're just a bit special :)
[10:12] <nigelb> hehe
[10:13] <nigelb> btw, Brian is awesome.
[10:13] <nigelb> Brian Thompson
[10:13] <nigelb> I think he works for Online Services
[10:13] <nigelb> He wrote a selinium script to catch all the library change build failures.
[10:13] <nigelb> We should have the list today
[10:19] <dholbach> nice
[10:58] <dpm> hey everyone, if your language is not listed in the table https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA - do you think you could install the language packs in natty-proposed + Firefox 5, quickly test them and add the feedback there?
[10:59] <dpm> there are instructions on that page on how to do the test, and by doing this you'll be providing fresh translations for thousands of people
[10:59] <dpm> so any help will be appreciated, thanks!
[12:23] <czajkowski> paultag: I'm on a roll
[13:32] <jcastro> morning!
[13:32] <dpm> hey jcastro, good morning!
[13:35]  * dholbach hugs kim0
[13:35] <kim0> hehe
[13:36]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:36] <dholbach> you guys rock! :)
[13:36]  * dpm hugs dholbach ;)
[13:37] <czajkowski> gah
[13:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: jcastro dpm ye have mail can one of you forward it to kim0 I forgot his address
[13:37] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:37] <czajkowski> sorry kim0
[13:37] <kim0> yeah :)
[13:38] <kim0> I thought .. I'm right here :)
[13:39] <dpm> czajkowski, kim0, done
[13:39] <czajkowski> dpm: thank you
[13:40] <dpm> czajkowski, same as his nick + @ ubuntu.com
[13:40] <czajkowski> kim0: sorry I didn't have your address in my address book
[13:40] <czajkowski> will know for future
[13:40] <kim0> czajkowski: oh np
[13:40] <dpm> czajkowski, btw, thanks for the tips!
[13:40] <czajkowski> dpm: np
[13:42] <jcastro> czajkowski: thanks for that, that's awesome
[13:42] <czajkowski> no worries just some small snippets
[13:43] <dholbach> thaks a lot czajkowski! :)
[13:43] <dpm> I've forwarded the tea part to mvo
[13:44] <czajkowski> :)
[13:44] <czajkowski> forward it onto anyone
[13:44] <jcastro> I am debating just forwarding it to -platform internally
[13:44] <czajkowski> I know some folks liek TEa and those 2 places are great
[13:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: can do I've sent it to some lp folks and others I know but didnt want to spam folks
[13:45] <czajkowski> and may want to take out the slapper face jacks bit :s
[13:46] <jcastro> I'll just put it on the wiki later
[13:48] <czajkowski> :)
[14:20] <mhall119> paultag: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/15/starbucks-rolls-out-mobile-payment-app-for-android-users-java-j/
[14:33] <jcastro> If anyone wants to rock out today: http://outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars
[15:05] <mhall119> jcastro: someone should compile a UDS Greatest Hits album
[15:05] <mhall119> and put it up on the U1 Music Store
[15:06] <nigelb> mhall119: This will top the list of UDS hits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2j-YS_yeo
[15:06] <nigelb> Or alternatively, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rq29cqNv0U
[15:07] <Pendulum> someone should really make Rock'n'Roll Nerd CoC-friendly and sing that at the next UDS Allstars
[15:07] <jcastro> oh god
[15:08] <jcastro> times I wish YT had deletion
[15:08] <nigelb> heh
[15:08]  * vish thinks jcastro is in "DELETE the web" mode ;)
[15:09] <nigelb> jcastro: Bribe scott, that might work.
[15:09] <vish> Forums delete, LP delete, YT delete ;p
[15:09] <nigelb> :D
[15:10] <mhall119> wiki delete
[15:42] <paultag> mhall119: buhahaha
[15:59] <jcastro> hey so
[15:59] <jcastro> how do I get write access to the fridge calendar?
[15:59] <czajkowski> can someone make me food !
[16:00] <czajkowski> mhall119: can I have your wife please
[16:00] <czajkowski> jcastro: talk nicely to pleia2  :)
[16:00] <jcastro> oh I get it
[16:00] <jcastro> need to be signed in with a U or C account
[16:01] <pleia2> your c account is the one that's on there
[16:02] <pleia2> (I think - akgraner and nhandler are admins, they can chcek for sure)
[16:02] <jcastro> I'm in, ta
[16:02] <pleia2> :)
[16:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'm kind of fond of her, not sure I'll give her up
[16:08] <nigelb> ^^ that is getting pasted to her :P
[16:08] <mhall119> czajkowski: but come visit and she'll feed you
[16:08] <maco> cheese grits!
[16:09] <maco> heh the grits broke Riddell's brain. i told him it's like porridge from corn
[16:09] <mhall119> we had that a couple nights ago
[16:09] <mhall119> lol
[16:09] <nigelb> haha
[16:09] <czajkowski> minus the cheese yes grits please
[16:09] <mhall119> grits without cheese?
[16:09] <czajkowski> and some of the bbq ribs that just fell off the bone
[16:09] <maco> apparently when he hears "porridge" he thinks "muesli" so he goes "my family makes artisan porridge. this is NOT porridge!"
[16:09] <Pendulum> mhall119: czajkowski doesn't like cheese. she's a bit odd like that.
[16:09] <nhandler> jcastro: But you should still be able to add events even without having direct access
[16:10] <czajkowski> Pendulum: except on pasta
[16:10] <czajkowski> thenn I agree i need it
[16:10] <jcastro> with a normal jorge.castro@gmail account?
[16:10] <nigelb> jcastro: invite the calender to your event.
[16:10] <nigelb> something like that
[16:10] <nigelb> its documented somewhere
[16:10] <mhall119> grits without cheese is like tea without ice
[16:10] <nhandler> But I don't have the ability to manage charing on that calendar pleia2, jcastro
[16:11] <nigelb> but, tea with ice sounds blasphemous
[16:11] <mhall119> s/blasphemous/delicious/
[16:11] <paultag> czajkowski: spam, buhahaha
[16:12] <czajkowski> paultag: so help me tagg I am gonna go there and kick your behind!
[16:12] <paultag> czajkowski: enjoy your 20 emails >:D
[16:12] <mhall119> czajkowski: I make my own chili powder now, so the ribs are even better
[16:12] <nigelb> whoever has doubts about bbq should hereforth be refered to zack pfeffer
[16:12] <czajkowski> all I've had all day is tea and toast and emails want nice food
[16:12] <Pendulum> nigelb / jcastro: is this what you're looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar ?
[16:12] <nigelb> I'm sure mhall119 and zach taught me all about bbq now.
[16:13] <jcastro> yeah I followed that
[16:13] <nigelb> Pendulum: YES!
[16:13] <jcastro> but whatever, logging in with my canonical account worked
[16:13] <maco> mhall119: or iced tea without sugar!
[16:13] <jcastro> (grumble grumble wish google had better multiaccount support)
[16:13] <maco> mhall119: but actually...i cant much say that...as i like grits just fine on their own
[16:13] <mhall119> maco: I drink mine without sugar
[16:13] <maco> ive adopted crimsun's terminology for unsweet tea:   dirty dishwater
[16:14] <mhall119> s/dirty/delicious/
[16:14] <Pendulum> I have to say the southeners I know are split 50/50 on sweet tea
[16:14] <nigelb> have you all seen the cartoon about decaf coffee being made from the soil? ;)
[16:14] <mhall119> nigelb: yes, +1 for that
[16:14] <maco> Pendulum: the only southerners i know that go for unsweet are borderline diabetic and so are forced to
[16:14] <Pendulum> I went to a wedding in WV and it was almost exactly split between the groom's friends and bride's friends
[16:14] <maco> WV is the south?
[16:14] <Pendulum> maco: for sweet tea it is
[16:14] <maco> but...they gave VA the middle finger and went back with the union
[16:15] <mhall119> anything below Penn. is considered the south
[16:15] <czajkowski> ICE IN TEA IS WRONG!!!! ARE WE CLEAR!
[16:15] <czajkowski> so feckin' wrong
[16:15] <maco> mhall119: even MD?
[16:15] <Pici> mm.. iced tea.
[16:15] <mhall119> maco: yes
[16:15] <maco> but...restaurants dont serve sweet tea here
[16:15] <maco> not in northern VA either
[16:15] <Pici> Its less wrong than iced coffee.
[16:15] <Pendulum> czajkowski: in 35-degree weather you wouldn't want hot tea either
[16:15] <nigelb> Pici: +1 there
[16:15] <maco> sweet tea in Arlington? almost non-existent (except in my kitchen when i lived there)
[16:16] <mhall119> maco: sweet or unsweet varies in the south
[16:16] <Pendulum> maco: it was everwhere in WV (even in Morgantown)
[16:16] <maco> go to a japanese restaurant in SC though?  they default to iced sweet instead of hot green
[16:16] <czajkowski> Pendulum: no then I want mountain dew in bucket loads
[16:16] <paultag> ewww
[16:16] <mhall119> iced tea is better at cooling and hydrating
[16:17] <Pendulum> czajkowski: see, I try to avoid either too much sugar or too much artificial junk in my drinks. and less caffeine that mountain dew
[16:17] <mhall119> plus it's cheaper by the bucket load
[16:17] <czajkowski> grr I just had my inbox tidy
[16:17] <paultag> like hell you will keep it that way :)
[16:17]  * czajkowski glares at paultag 
[16:17] <mhall119> paultag: lol
[16:17] <czajkowski> paultag: we need to send reminders :(
[16:17] <czajkowski> that means more mails right
[16:17] <czajkowski> feck
[16:17] <paultag> czajkowski: yar
[16:17] <mhall119> nature abhors a vacuum, and the internet abhors Inbox (0)
[16:18] <paultag> lulz
[16:18] <paultag> For science: OK, I say "New York" what do you all think?
[16:18] <paultag> quick, quick
[16:19] <mhall119> what's the question?
[16:19] <czajkowski> I think I'm gonna throttle paultag
[16:19] <Pici> Just word association?
[16:19] <paultag> czajkowski: please :)
[16:19] <paultag> Pici: yeah, real quick
[16:19] <paultag> first thing
[16:19] <paultag> czajkowski: this is for science
[16:19] <Pendulum> paultag: 'city or state?'
[16:19] <nigelb> Times Square?
[16:19] <paultag> THANK YOU
[16:19] <czajkowski> gah!
[16:19] <paultag> OK, perfect
[16:19] <paultag> thanks Pendulum :)
[16:19] <mhall119> Hamilton
[16:19] <czajkowski> ffs
[16:19] <paultag> great, awesome. Checking on my breakfast
[16:19] <czajkowski> paultag: you cannot have a standard with one exception being NY, simple as that
[16:19] <Pici> New York is the state for me.  NYC is 'the city', but then again, I'm rather close to it.
[16:20] <maco> hey Whovians: http://twitpic.com/5bxeg9
[16:20] <Pici> :P
[16:20] <nigelb> maco: did you see cjwatson open the meeting earlier? ;)
[16:20] <maco> no
[16:20] <paultag> Pici: czajkowski and I were bickering about if New York State LoCo was a propper name
[16:20] <maco> what meeting?
[16:21] <paultag> well I was bikering
[16:21] <paultag> she was being nice
[16:21] <paultag> I thought "New York" was too vauge for my taste
[16:21] <nigelb> maco: the one going on now.. (foundations?)
[16:21] <mhall119> paultag: standards!
[16:21] <mhall119> or cjohnston will file bugs
[16:21] <paultag> and all the other words that people said were about NYC
[16:21] <Pendulum> maybe it's a New England thing?
[16:21] <paultag> therefore the default "New York" is the City, so having it say state is right on IMHO
[16:21] <mhall119> mine wasn't NYC specific
[16:22] <paultag> yeah I guess, but most people default to NYC
[16:22] <paultag> OK, I'm making a breakfast, BRB :)
[16:22] <paultag> don't kill me czajkowski
[16:22] <nigelb> (yet)
[16:22] <maco> nigelb: what the crack?
[16:22] <maco> i can think of one more "city or state?"
[16:22] <maco> washington
[16:23] <czajkowski> mhall119: exactly a standard has to be that and we need to set it straight,
[16:23] <mhall119> city
[16:23] <czajkowski> washington is also on the list
[16:23] <mhall119> maco: ^^
[16:23] <mhall119> nobody ever considers Washington state
[16:23] <Pici> People near/in Washington state do.
[16:23] <mhall119> it's line Montana or Canada
[16:24] <jono> hey all
[16:25] <mhall119> hey, let's ask Jono
[16:25] <mhall119> jono: New York: city or state?
[16:26] <maco> mhall119: i once asked riddell to name all the states (he'd asked me to name the countries in europe, and i told him our smallest is bigger than their smallest, so GO) and he said wyoming like 3 times. i asked how he even knew it existed, and he said "there used to be a comic on the telly who's say 'wyoming doesnt exist!' and someone else would say 'well how do you know that?' and he'd answer 'have you ever MET anyone from wyoming??'"
[16:26] <mhall119> lol
[16:26] <mhall119> it's funny because it's true
[16:26] <mhall119> how many states did he get?
[16:26]  * maco has
[16:26] <maco> 13
[16:27] <maco> and that was with prompting like "we were there in november"
[16:27] <mhall119> probably as well as the average American
[16:27] <maco> and "it has a really big city with the same name as the state"
[16:27]  * Pendulum has been to Wyoming
[16:27]  * Pici too
[16:27] <jcastro> me too!
[16:27] <mhall119> it really is a beautiful state
[16:27] <Pendulum> yes :)
[16:27] <jono> mhall119, it is a state
[16:28] <mhall119> paultag: ^^ there ya go
[16:28] <jono> was I wrong?
[16:28] <maco> oh one of my prompts was "i'm from there" "dc?" "thats not a state" "oh" "the state im from is called the quaker state and is named after a very famous one" "fox?" "grrr" "penn? oh! pennsylvania?"
[16:28] <nigelb> jono: there was no right or wrong
[16:28] <mhall119> jono: technically either is true
[16:28] <jono> right
[16:28] <czajkowski> welcome to  my crazy chats with paultag
[16:28] <czajkowski> and ye wonder why I am crazy
[16:28] <mhall119> they're trying to decide if they need to specify that it's for the whole state in the loco's name
[16:28] <czajkowski> :)
[16:28] <jono> I thought it was a state with mainly New York and some other shit in there
[16:28] <czajkowski> jono: lol
[16:28] <mhall119> lol
[16:29] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:29] <maco> jono: the rest is trees and mountains
[16:29] <Pici> And traffic!
[16:29] <nigelb> and a small statute
[16:29] <maco> oh, and a canal
[16:29] <mhall119> jono: that's what everyone in NYC thinks too
[16:29] <czajkowski> jono: oddly enough I cant write than when explaining what a standard is
[16:29] <Pendulum> well considering that when I was in NYC most of the LoCo was 6+ hours from the city...
[16:29] <nigelb> Pendulum: but 10 km? P
[16:29] <nigelb> :P
[16:29] <czajkowski> Pendulum: the same can be said for Dublin
[16:29] <maco> haha
[16:29] <Pici> heh
[16:29] <czajkowski> it's not the dublin loco it;s the irish lcoo
[16:29] <mhall119> nigelb: lol
[16:30] <Pendulum> right, my point was that as the LoCo goes, there's very little sense of NYC (although it's grown)
[16:30] <pleia2> Pendulum: that's just because NYC people are difficult :) upstate folks will drive an hour to go to an event, NYC ones won't leave their neighborhood
[16:30] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye
[16:30] <pleia2> ends up being very hard to organize NYC events
[16:30] <mhall119> pleia2: to be fair, it takes more than an hour to leavev their neighborhood
[16:30] <maco> like "but thats all the way on the other side of the brooklyn bridge!"
[16:30] <maco> mhall119: by car or subway?
[16:30] <pleia2> mhall119: it's more of a cultural thing
[16:31] <popey> We should totally have City LoCos :D
[16:31] <mhall119> maco: I dunno, which is funnier?
[16:31] <nigelb> hehe
[16:31] <maco> mhall119: subways probably faster...
[16:31] <nigelb> mhall119: scooter might be funnier ;)
[16:31] <mhall119> popey: you just want that so you can shut them down :P
[16:31] <mhall119> nigelb: scooters are always funnier, you're right
[16:32] <Pendulum> I was just as bad as any other NYC-dweller for getting places, but since it took me longer than most people to get around because I couldn't use the subway, I think I had a semi-valid excuse ;-)
[16:33] <Cheri703> that's why I'm glad ohio (and I'm sure many others) has ReLoCos...so that we can have events and a whole structure in any of the smaller towns and they operate independently
[16:33] <JanC> NYC has more people living there than there are in many states or even countries, I can understand they don't feel the need to meet even more people  ;)
[16:33] <maco> thankfully DC is only 64sqmi
[16:34] <nigelb> yeah, you can't even meet in DC :P
[16:34] <nigelb> (or can you?)
[16:34] <Pendulum> I would have loved geek events in NYC at the weekends
[16:34] <maco> DC has more people than the mythical wyoming
[16:34] <Pendulum> most of them were mid-week
[16:34] <nigelb> maco: is Taste of India in DC per se?
[16:34] <maco> nigelb: yes
[16:34] <Pendulum> and I was either at work or needing to be recovering from work so I could make it to work the next day
[16:34] <maco> what do you mean "per se"?
[16:34] <maco> its like 4 miles from white house
[16:34] <nigelb> maco: like is it outside the 64 sqmi or bordering ;)
[16:35] <maco> yeah there's another few miles north of it before you hit maryland
[16:35] <nigelb> oh, btw, lunar eclipse today.
[16:35] <nigelb> too bad its too cloudy to see anything
[16:36] <maco> nigelb: the folk festival the DC loco goes to every year is technically in maryland though. by like a half mile or so
[16:37] <maco> nigelb: ToI is across the street from the metro station marked on here http://goo.gl/maps/ZWft
[16:37] <Pici> nigelb: Thats what google is for: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386945,00.asp
[16:38] <nigelb> maco: But with a small state, I guess it can't be helped
[16:38] <nigelb> maco: There's an island in Kerala which doesn't fall under Kerala govt authority.
[16:38] <maco> nigelb: DC's not a state
[16:39] <nigelb> maco: Its Pondicherry. People go there to buy alcohol since its much cheaper.
[16:39] <nigelb> maco: right, district of columbia
[16:39] <Pici> DC is an exception.
[16:39] <maco> which means when we went to get the loco approval thing and found out that there's supposed to be some standard naming for stuff (didnt exist when we started) we made jokes like ubuntu-us-werenotastatebutmaybesomedaynumber51
[16:39] <nigelb> I should ask my friend and husband to meet up wth the DC loco.
[16:40] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:40] <mhall119> I didn't know you were married
[16:41] <mhall119> and yeah, DC is a strange exception here
[16:41] <nigelb> mhall119: wha!
[16:41] <mhall119> "11:40 < nigelb> I should ask my friend and husband"
[16:41] <mhall119> reads like you're asking your friend and your husband
[16:42] <nigelb> and *her*
[16:42] <mhall119> that's better
[16:42] <nigelb> and *her* husband :)
[16:42] <mhall119> ;)
[16:45] <popey> http://www.kindle-maps.com/blog/yes-it-is-possible-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub.html
[16:45] <popey> excellent use of technology
[16:45] <czajkowski> yup ebel  did it the other night
[16:45] <czajkowski> to test it
[16:46] <jono> wow
[16:47] <jono> jcastro, just became friends with Robb Flynn from Machine Head on Facebook
[16:47] <jono> :-)
[16:47] <jono> that dude is going to be seeing a lot of Ubuntu now
[16:48] <JanC> popey: did anyone test if there really is no pub?  ;)
[16:48] <czajkowski> JanC: it's not possible there is no pub
[16:48] <czajkowski> trust me
[16:49] <czajkowski> I live in a little village back home and there are 14 pubs
[16:49] <czajkowski> and ther are only 2500-4000 people living there
[16:50] <JanC> 2500 people might live in 100 streets...  ;)
[16:50] <JanC> anyway, I've never been in Dublin, so no idea
[17:04] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[17:04] <paultag> mhall119: pong
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: only here for a second, I'm about to go pint
[17:05] <paultag> paint *
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: what's good, my friend?
[17:05] <mhall119> paultag: http://nookdevs.com/NookTouch_Rooting has me downloading random disk images from random upload sites
[17:05] <pleia2> I was gonna say, it's a bit early to go for a pint
[17:05] <pleia2> even for paultag
[17:05] <mhall119> is there any way to get a hash or something to compare against?
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: let me check the info to see if they came from a trusted source
[17:05] <paultag> pleia2: It's never too early for a pint :)
[17:06] <mhall119> paultag: the links on the wiki point me to a download page with links to rapidshare (which I used) and some other download locations
[17:06] <paultag> mhall119: they're clean. I checked the wiki history, the guy who rooted his nook with me posted the links, all edits past that have been cosmetic
[17:06] <paultag> mhall119: as of this second /now/, it's clean
[17:07] <mhall119> ok
[17:07] <paultag> mhall119: but you're totally right, it needs sigs and stuff
[17:07] <paultag> and some GPG action IMHO
[17:08] <mhall119> gpg would be good
[17:08] <paultag> mhall119: I really want to write an auto-rooter shell script. I think that'd be much much easier.
[17:12] <paultag> alright, off to paint
[17:12] <paultag> brb
[17:32] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:25] <OneiricOne> paultag: Doing good thanks for asking and you?
[18:25] <OneiricOne> err IdleOne ^
[18:25]  * nigelb got the OneiricOcelot tis time :P
[18:27] <OneiricOne> you beat nhandler to it
[18:28] <OneiricOne> trying out quassel and really like the monitor window
[18:29]  * nhandler has oneiric
[18:30]  * nhandler just uses a hilight window in irssi
[18:31] <nigelb> nhandler: could you just say nigel? Need to test hilight :)
[18:31] <nhandler> Hey nigel
[18:31] <nigelb> w00t, worked :)
[18:31] <nigelb> nhandler: Thanks :)
[18:32] <nhandler> I also use trigger.pl to cause certain things (like certain mode changes) to go to my hilight window
[18:33] <nhandler> The tricky part is that until I essentially rewrite 'tail -n1 -f' in javascript/jquery (so that it monitors my hilight file and displays an html5 desktop notification), I don't have irc notifications on my cr-48
[18:33] <nhandler> *cough* paultag *cough*
[18:33] <paultag> lolwhaaat
[18:33] <paultag> OneiricOne: well, thanks!
[18:34] <paultag> I'm just down here to do a re-approval between painting the house! :)
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: Ohhhh, fancy! :)
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: I did that with that nodejs project. Let me get you the link
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: git clone git://m.pault.ag/node-tail.git
[18:35] <OneiricOne> Thanks for what?
[18:35] <OneiricOne> hehe
[18:35] <paultag> nhandler: that should be a solid base for that. It uses a method of stalling the AJAX request on a loop, blocking until a request, or 30 seconds. it's actually pretty cool and lets you do it realtime without hammering the server
[18:35] <paultag> 17:25 < OneiricOne> paultag: Doing good thanks for asking and you?
[18:35] <paultag> OneiricOne: I'm well, thanks, even if it's a typo :)
[18:35] <OneiricOne> ah, :)
[18:36] <paultag> nhandler: email me if you need anything else, my iPad upstairs will beep on email, but i miss IRC pings :)
[18:36] <paultag> BRB :)
[19:53] <nigelb> paultag: I read that as painting the "horse" and I went WHAT!?!
[19:54] <nigelb> Clearly, I need sleep :)
[19:54] <nigelb> Catch you all later :-)
[21:24] <akgraner> 6 weeks on crutches :-(  looks like I actually broke some bone in my knee..who knew...
[21:27] <Pendulum> akgraner: ouch *hugs*
[21:28] <akgraner> thanks..and yeah ouch, :-)
[21:30] <akgraner> I guess jet skying isn't in my future...
[21:30] <akgraner> :-(
[21:31] <Pici> akgraner: may it go quickly
[21:31] <Pici> Hopefully I'll be off my crutches next week.
[21:38] <jcastro> ouch!
[21:38] <jcastro> is everyone getting in accidents or what?
[21:49] <czajkowski> jcastro: did you send mail to internal platform folks
[22:01] <jcastro> added it to the wiki!
[22:01] <czajkowski> coolio
[22:01] <czajkowski> hope it helps
[22:02] <czajkowski> jcastro: if you get stuck or need advice just poke me
[22:04]  * jcastro nods
[22:06] <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-509122.html
[22:07] <czajkowski> Ubuntu ie team contact in the papers over here for this work
[22:13] <AlanBell> that is a great story
[22:27] <mhall119> czajkowski: woot!
[23:54] <jcastro> test
[23:54] <jcastro> Pendulum: were you looking for me?
[23:55] <jcastro> I think I closed a pm from you just now but didn't catch the text in the window