[01:42] <snail> on ubuntu, what's the best way to find out (a) all the subdomains of a domain and (b) all of the names being mapped to an ip address?
[01:42] <snail> ideally without a ping-storm...
[01:43] <mwhudson> host -t axfr $domain?
[01:43] <mwhudson> lots of servers refuse to give you that though
[01:44] <ojwb> in general, it's not easy to do either AFAIK
[02:00] <snail> nice. my dns for freenode has been flaky, I file a bug and get told "No changes have been made but the firewall has a problem with looking up  irc.freenode.net at the moment so I've added all individual IP  addresses to the rule allowing xchat" i don't want to know how they're messing with dns that's breaking dns pooling, but hardcoding them doesn't seem like the right approach...
[02:07] <ojwb> hmm, it's not a great plan
[02:08] <ojwb> someone needs to remember to remove the hack or else they'll be returning the wrong answers when freenode dns changes
[02:08] <ojwb> unless they firewall DNS traffic, you could just stick "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and "nameserver 8.8.4.4" in /etc/resolv.conf
[02:08] <ojwb> those are google's public dns servers
[02:09] <ojwb> downside is you're giving google data, which some may not like
[02:13] <mwhudson> doesn't that make CDNs rather less useful too?
[02:14] <mwhudson> oh, they're anycast
[02:15] <snail> ojwb: i would try that, but opting out of our organisational infrastructure just means that i discover the problems for the first time on one of my users computers...
[02:15] <mwhudson> although ping is 171ms so they can't be that close
[02:16] <ojwb> mwhudson: yeah, they're mostly handy to know for when you have problems getting the local DNS to work
[20:21] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:51] <ajmitch> morning
[20:51] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: you either get into work far too early, or are on irc from home
[20:51] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: at work
[20:52] <ibeardslee> travel time is easier earlier
[20:52] <ajmitch> very true
[20:52] <ibeardslee> less time sitting in a bus or the car
[20:52] <ajmitch> partly why I'm in at work before 8 most days
[20:52] <ajmitch> being in a crowded bus isn't fun
[20:52] <ibeardslee> even if it is harder to get up earlier
[20:53] <ibeardslee> it does mean that I can also get away earlier .. but I think I need more practise at that
[20:53]  * ajmitch is usually awake more than early enough
[20:53] <ajmitch> I'm often away just after 5, which is nice
[20:54] <ibeardslee> I've deliberately arranged the personal trainer sessions at the gym for 5pm
[20:54]  * ajmitch can get stuff done early in the morning before those pesky clients start calling
[20:54] <ibeardslee> so I HAVE to get away earlier
[20:54] <ibeardslee> but the days I don't have the sessions I get carried away
[20:54] <ajmitch> staying until 6 or 7?
[20:56] <ibeardslee> hardly ever 7, sometimes 6, often after 5
[20:57] <ajmitch> darn, looks like air new zealand has been cancelling flights for the lower south island
[20:57] <ibeardslee> 7:30 -> 5pm = 9.5 hours - 1/2 for lunch .. I really should timesheet a bit more time
[21:00] <ajmitch> makes for a long day at times :)
[21:01] <snail> morning
[21:32] <mwhudson> morning
[22:08] <ibeardslee> so the big news of the day is MS withdrawing their XML document patent in NZ
[22:08] <ajmitch> interesting
[22:09] <ajmitch> was this a patent that had not yet been granted?
[22:11] <ibeardslee> they were filed and the NZOSS had opposed the first one and it seems were preparing to oppose the 2nd
[22:12] <ibeardslee> no had opposed, and were heading towards a hearing
[22:12] <ajmitch> I wonder what prompted the withdrawal
[22:13] <ibeardslee> nto sure of the exact details, but NZOSS and others (especially Matthew Holloway) must have had some clear objections
[22:20] <snail> ajmitch: as i understand it, a withdrawl is infinitely better than a negative ruling, since rulings join the body of case law
[22:21] <ajmitch> snail: right, I'm unfamiliar with how legal precedents should work in NZ :)
[22:30] <chilts> morning
[22:32] <Atamira> moring
[22:32] <Atamira> morning
[23:36] <thumper> morning
[23:36]  * thumper needs coffee
[23:56]  * Atamira needs breakfast
[23:59]  * ibeardslee needs a whisky and a lie down