[01:42] on ubuntu, what's the best way to find out (a) all the subdomains of a domain and (b) all of the names being mapped to an ip address? [01:42] ideally without a ping-storm... [01:43] host -t axfr $domain? [01:43] lots of servers refuse to give you that though [01:44] in general, it's not easy to do either AFAIK [02:00] nice. my dns for freenode has been flaky, I file a bug and get told "No changes have been made but the firewall has a problem with looking up irc.freenode.net at the moment so I've added all individual IP addresses to the rule allowing xchat" i don't want to know how they're messing with dns that's breaking dns pooling, but hardcoding them doesn't seem like the right approach... [02:07] hmm, it's not a great plan [02:08] someone needs to remember to remove the hack or else they'll be returning the wrong answers when freenode dns changes [02:08] unless they firewall DNS traffic, you could just stick "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and "nameserver 8.8.4.4" in /etc/resolv.conf [02:08] those are google's public dns servers [02:09] downside is you're giving google data, which some may not like [02:13] doesn't that make CDNs rather less useful too? [02:14] oh, they're anycast [02:15] ojwb: i would try that, but opting out of our organisational infrastructure just means that i discover the problems for the first time on one of my users computers... [02:15] although ping is 171ms so they can't be that close [02:16] mwhudson: yeah, they're mostly handy to know for when you have problems getting the local DNS to work [20:21] morning [20:51] morning [20:51] ibeardslee: you either get into work far too early, or are on irc from home [20:51] ajmitch: at work [20:52] travel time is easier earlier [20:52] very true [20:52] less time sitting in a bus or the car [20:52] partly why I'm in at work before 8 most days [20:52] being in a crowded bus isn't fun [20:52] even if it is harder to get up earlier [20:53] it does mean that I can also get away earlier .. but I think I need more practise at that [20:53] * ajmitch is usually awake more than early enough [20:53] I'm often away just after 5, which is nice [20:54] I've deliberately arranged the personal trainer sessions at the gym for 5pm [20:54] * ajmitch can get stuff done early in the morning before those pesky clients start calling [20:54] so I HAVE to get away earlier [20:54] but the days I don't have the sessions I get carried away [20:54] staying until 6 or 7? [20:56] hardly ever 7, sometimes 6, often after 5 [20:57] darn, looks like air new zealand has been cancelling flights for the lower south island [20:57] 7:30 -> 5pm = 9.5 hours - 1/2 for lunch .. I really should timesheet a bit more time [21:00] makes for a long day at times :) [21:01] morning [21:32] morning [22:08] so the big news of the day is MS withdrawing their XML document patent in NZ [22:08] interesting [22:09] was this a patent that had not yet been granted? [22:11] they were filed and the NZOSS had opposed the first one and it seems were preparing to oppose the 2nd [22:12] no had opposed, and were heading towards a hearing [22:12] I wonder what prompted the withdrawal [22:13] nto sure of the exact details, but NZOSS and others (especially Matthew Holloway) must have had some clear objections [22:20] ajmitch: as i understand it, a withdrawl is infinitely better than a negative ruling, since rulings join the body of case law [22:21] snail: right, I'm unfamiliar with how legal precedents should work in NZ :) [22:30] morning [22:32] moring [22:32] morning [23:36] morning [23:36] * thumper needs coffee [23:56] * Atamira needs breakfast [23:59] * ibeardslee needs a whisky and a lie down