[00:01] <selynda> ok, so assuming that the specs are good, is there anything special I need to do to be able to connect remotely via my other ubuntu computers?
[00:08] <cloakable> nope :)
[00:09] <selynda> cool, so how would I go about doing that?
[00:15] <selynda> so if I use the connect to server option in ubuntu, where it says server I would just enter the IP address?
[00:15] <cloakable> Or hostname
[00:16] <cloakable> Not sure how the ubuntu connect to server option works; I use Kubuntu
[00:16] <selynda> ok cool, but I would have to set up an FTP or SSH right?
[00:17] <qman__> selynda, no, samba alone would allow access
[00:17] <qman__> however, ubuntu to ubuntu, I'd suggest using sftp since it's easier to configure
[00:17] <cloakable> Plus SSH is simple to setup
[00:17] <qman__> as in, there is no configuration, just install
[00:17] <cloakable> ssh is even easier iirc
[00:18] <selynda> ok, cool but when I connect to server it asks for service type...
[00:18] <qman__> also, bare minimum specs if you use ubuntu server are somewhere around a 386 CPU and 64MB RAM
[00:18] <qman__> though I'd suggest at least 256MB for reasonable performance
[00:18] <selynda> qman: cool thanks
[00:18] <qman__> and an i686+ CPU so you don't have to manually install a different kernel
[00:19] <qman__> so, K6-II or pentium II
[00:19] <qman__> maybe some pentium 1s
[00:19] <cloakable> Or an Atom :)
[00:20] <selynda> hehe
[00:20] <qman__> an atom is Pentium III based
[00:20]  * cloakable runs Ubuntu Server on an Atom
[00:21] <qman__> the progression was Tualatin P3, Pentium III-M, Pentium M, one other intel mobile chip, then the atom
[00:21] <cloakable> ahh
[00:21] <cloakable> Then the various atoms
[00:21] <qman__> for that particular architecture
[00:21] <qman__> yeah
[00:57] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[00:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[00:59]  * Daviey waits for the return volley of the table tennis game that is ping-pong between RoAkSoAx and kirkland.
[03:12] <selynda> ok so I downloaded and burnt the server ISO, but it won't boot....my ubuntu desktop ISO boots fine though
[03:16] <rewt> which version?
[03:18] <rewt> selynda, compare your iso's md5 with the one listed on here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[03:21] <selynda> 11.04, I re downloaded and burned it and it works now, I think it was the burning software I was using
[03:34] <qman__> selynda, you can also check the md5 of a burned disc by running 'sudo md5sum /dev/scd0' (replacing that with your cdrom device) and it should match up with the md5sum on the ubuntu mirror
[03:36] <Anime-girl1> ok when I am setting up my server, I am asked to partition the disk, I want to use the entire disk, but dont know if I should do it with LVM or not
[03:40] <Anime-girl1> ?
[03:40] <Anime-girl1> what is LVM?
[03:41] <rewt> logical volume management
[03:42] <rewt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[04:24] <Anime-girl> ok so I got my server set up, so why can't I log into it?
[04:27] <twb> Define "log in".  SSH?
[04:28] <Anime-girl> yes
[04:29] <twb> Is openssh-server installed?
[04:29] <Anime-girl> it says connection refused by server
[04:30] <Anime-girl> i dont know, just installed ubuntu server from the disc, and was under the impression there wasnt anything I had to do to set up ssh
[04:30] <twb> You were wrong.
[04:31] <Anime-girl> hmmm they lied!!!
[04:31] <Anime-girl> ;)
[04:32] <twb> Unless you perform the initial install over SSH, or choose the "SSH server" task in tasksel, you will need to manually install openssh-server after installation.
[04:32] <twb> Ideally, you will also lock down the sshd_config, e.g. turning off single-factor authentication, restricting access to a whitelist of "real" users/groups, etc.
[04:33] <ScottK> so 'almost nothing'.
[04:33] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/119877/ <-- example
[04:34] <Anime-girl> ok, got it
[04:35] <Anime-girl> now what about joining the server with the host name? how do I set that up?
[04:35] <twb> Anime-girl: I don't know what that means
[04:37] <Anime-girl> twb: like when I go to connect to server via ubuntu, it pops up a window and asks for the service type (ssh) and then the server
[04:38] <Anime-girl> I can enter in the IP address and connect that way, but would like to use the host name that I think I set up when installing the server
[04:44] <twb> Anime-girl: so you need the hostname to resolve to the IP address
[04:45] <Anime-girl> yes!
[04:51] <twb> You're probably running DNS
[04:51] <twb> Go tell your DNS server about that mapping, then
[05:02] <Anime-girl> twb: huh?
[05:02] <twb> Anime-girl: how do you know where, say, "google.com" is?
[05:03] <Anime-girl> I know, but I got confused for a second
[05:04] <littlebearz> twb: look at the DNS server, i use 8.8.8.8
[05:34] <twb> littlebearz: I was helping Anime-girl, not the other way around
[09:05] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys is anyone having issues with apache2 on 10.04
[09:05] <eagles0513875|2> i have a really annoying issue that it is not able to write to log files granted permissions are the same as on another server and apache is failing to start
[09:37] <a_ok2> logrotate runs every day but I get rather weird rotation with each sunday
[09:38] <a_ok2> How can I just have a straght line 7 days of logs
[10:37] <hggdh> Daviey: the machine vector is yours, right?
[10:37] <hggdh> (as far as Jenkins is concerned)
[10:38] <Daviey> hggdh: yah
[10:40] <hggdh> Daviey: you might want to clean up some space, if you do not mind ;-)
[10:40] <Daviey> oh, is it full?
[10:41] <hggdh> rather so
[10:42] <Daviey> hggdh: done now.. /var is a huge parition, am i able to make better use of that space?
[10:43] <Daviey> hggdh: What do i need to symlink? :)
[10:44] <jibel> Daviey, could you also upgrade ubuntu-server-iso-testing to 1.0-1~ppa16 ?
[10:44] <hggdh> Daviey: super-James will answer :-)
[10:45] <Daviey> on it
[10:50] <jibel> Daviey, thanks, it will prevent to fill the disk with isos on next run.
[10:51] <Daviey> super
[10:51] <Daviey> Any news on Jenkins reporting btw?
[10:51] <Daviey> ie, emails on failure?
[10:52] <hggdh> Daviey: working on them :-)
[10:52] <Daviey> hggdh: super!
[10:56] <jamespage> Daviey: please can you make a couple of directories somewhere in /var that have write permissions for the usit user
[10:57] <jamespage> We can then point the ISO and test storage to different locations for the node specification in Jenkins
[10:57]  * jamespage thinks we can at least
[10:58]  * hggdh relies on jamespage
[10:59] <Daviey> jamespage: if it's easier, i can just symlink where the data is currently being stored?
[10:59] <jamespage> nah - its really easy todo this in Jenkins with the testing frameowkr
[10:59] <Daviey> jibel: (i'm o ~17)
[11:00] <Daviey> jamespage: ok
[11:00] <jamespage> hmm well almost - please can you symlink one called ${HOME}/isos
[11:00] <jamespage> the other one I can configure
[11:00]  * jamespage adds a feature request to iso-testing
[12:25] <wild_oscar> hi. has anyone here got experience with mdadm? more specifically, I was reading in the wiki "No handling of raid degradation during boot for non-root filesystems  (i.e. /home) at all. (Boot simply stops at a recovery console.) " does this mean if I create a raid for /mnt/somemountPoint and a disk fails, it'll be stuck at boot?
[12:57] <dob_> Hi, is it correct, that php5 isn't compiled with mysqlnd by default?
[12:59] <ikonia> dob_: it's broke down into modules, you install the modules you want
[13:05] <dob_> yes, but i think it's compiled without the native driver
[13:05] <dob_> the mysql extension seems to use the old mysql libraries...
[13:07] <dob_> i downloaded the sources and there wasn't a --with-mysqli=mysqlnd, instead it seems to point to the mysql libs
[13:07] <ikonia> dob_: yes, it uses the mysql libs so that version changes match up
[13:08] <ikonia> I thought there was a module for the internal php driver, but I could be wrong
[13:10] <dob_> no, there isn't a module in the default repositories
[13:11] <dob_> so the default "ubuntu" php driver's are not the ones with the best performance
[13:11] <patdk-wk> performance is realative
[13:16] <dob_> ah yes ;-9
[13:16] <dob_> ;-)
[13:18] <plm> people, I would like to create a LATIN1 encoding one new postgresql database.. but ubuntu not how LATIN1 enconding in locale -a. How I addh latin1 locale? http://dpaste.com/554532/
[13:33] <plm> anyone?
[13:46] <ikonia> plm: is there a LATIN1 package in the repos ?
[14:00] <sommer> morning all
[14:06] <jamespage> hey sommer
[14:08] <sommer> today is going to be an awesome day... I can tell already :-)
[14:11] <soren> sommer: It'll pass.
[14:19] <Daviey> soren: bah, your negativity made sommer /quit :)
[14:19] <Daviey> positive mental attitude all!
[14:20] <Daviey> sommer: *awesome*
[14:20] <sommer> :-)
[14:32] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:35] <wild_oscar> has anyone here got experience with mdadm? more specifically, I was reading in the wiki "No handling of raid degradation during boot for non-root filesystems  (i.e. /home) at all. (Boot simply stops at a recovery console.) " does this mean if I create a raid for /mnt/somemountPoint and a disk fails, it'll be stuck at boot?
[14:50] <hggdh> Daviey: life sucks, then you die (keeping on, and improving on soren's comment) :-)
[14:51] <Daviey> :P
[14:57] <cemc> where is the motd file updated exactly on 10.04 ?
[14:58] <cemc> the motd says that system needs to be restarted, but I restarted it twice, it still says that
[14:59] <cemc> and the 'welcome to ubuntu... documentation url...' text appears twice
[15:02] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[15:03] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, here
[15:03] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: did you propose for merging this branch: ? https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/oneiric/cheetah/merge-debian-2.4.4-2/+merge/64250
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: or was it left unmerged or created automatically for some reason
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: since the branch seems to be only the removal of the .pc directory
[15:07] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i have to look.
[15:10] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: maybe this was created when uploading the branch and dpkg-source -x extracts applying patches
[15:10] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: and the comparison failed
[15:10] <RoAkSoAx> so that branch was left as a conflict maybe
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> something similar happened to me the other day
[15:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: can you fix the permissions of http://people.canonical.com/~smoser/bugs/797395/ as I can't dget please :)?
[15:41] <WinstonSmith> cemc: what does ls /etc/mot* say?
[15:43] <cemc> WinstonSmith: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/627377/
[15:43] <WinstonSmith> cemc: rm /etc/motd.tail
[15:44] <kevinash> Hi. I have used 'apt-get install unattended-upgrades' and configured to run everyday. Problem is, that the job runs at the time that I installed the actual package. Where/how can I configure the time that I want the unattended upgrade to run? Ubuntu Server 10.04.
[15:46] <cemc> WinstonSmith: it worked. any explanation?
[15:47] <WinstonSmith> its a bug thats been around for some time now. something goes wrong during update resulting in 2 motd.
[15:48] <cemc> WinstonSmith: I see. thanks!
[15:48] <WinstonSmith> cemc: your welcome
[15:59] <Jcook_5xData> quick ? I create a raid 1 on install how can I check that it set up and running well
[16:02] <cemc> Jcook_5xData: cat /proc/mdstat
[16:03] <Jcook_5xData> thank I will check it out
[16:04] <cemc> Jcook_5xData: you should see your mdX device there, with the two (or more) members (like sdaX, sdbX) and look for [UU]
[16:05] <Jcook_5xData> cemc, is there a dialog like app that say something raid OK or is disgraded or some thing like that?
[16:07] <Jcook_5xData> I just wonder because if start to fails. how will i know
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[16:13] <Jcook_5xData> cemc, I dont think this look right http://pastebin.com/8pmM1CU7
[16:14] <cemc> Jcook_5xData: indeed, it doesn't look good. sda1 seems to be missing
[16:14] <cemc> Jcook_5xData: check the logs /var/log/syslog
[16:14] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, here
[16:14] <smoser> you got what you needed right?
[16:14] <smoser> that diff was strange in the link you sent.
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: now I need to correct the permission for http://people.canonical.com/~smoser/bugs/797395/
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I can't dget :(
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> s/need to/need you to/
[16:15] <Jcook_5xData> what am I looking for
[16:17] <smoser> ah.
[16:17] <smoser> thanks.
[16:17] <Jcook_5xData> cemc, my guess is I set it up wrong. Is there a way I can fix it on running system or do I need to reinstall it?
[16:19] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, try again
[16:19] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, the rdscli would be nice too.... :)
[16:19] <zul> NCommand1r: hey libvirt currently ftbfs on arm ill upload a fixed patch tonight
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah will take care of it too :)
[16:37] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[16:37] <smoser> here
[16:37] <ttx> smoser: _0x44 is working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configuration-drive, which is slightly parallel to what you proposed in instance-transport
[16:38] <ttx> Could be good to ping him to make sure you get what you need out of it ?
[16:38] <ttx> My understanding is that his method is only boot-time and static
[16:39] <smoser> i can ... i really think that adding more boot-time and static is just delaying the need to solve it correctly.
[16:39] <smoser> but i've done nothing on what i was proposing.... so...
[16:40] <smoser> is 0x44 on irc?
[16:41] <ttx> smoser: I guess his thing could be evolved in the future, but static block device is better than nothing.
[16:41] <ttx> yes, "_0x44"
[16:48] <SpamapS> gah! my font just went to plaid
[16:49]  * SpamapS wonders which update caused this
[16:51] <ttx> smoser: I'll remove instance-transport from the diablo map, at least until someone commits to doing it. I guess we can live with configuration-drive in the mean time
[16:52] <wild_oscar> has anyone here got experience with mdadm? more specifically, I was reading in the wiki "No handling of raid degradation during boot for non-root filesystems  (i.e. /home) at all. (Boot simply stops at a recovery console.) ".  does this mean if I create a raid for /mnt/somemountPoint and a disk fails, it'll be stuck at boot?
[16:56] <smoser> ttx, yeah... talking with _0x44 now. i think thats probably the right idea. but the currently proposed implementation is not what i would favor.
[16:56] <ttx> smoser: try to trick him into doing what you want :)
[16:57] <ttx> let's see if you would make a good release manager.
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[17:25] <smoser> here
[17:25] <smoser> ro
[17:25] <smoser> RoAkSoAx,
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/627445/ -> did you do any manual modifications to that file?
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> that rdscli
[17:26] <smoser> probably not. how did you get that diff ?
[17:27] <smoser> i suspect that is bzr failure
[17:27] <smoser> oh wait.
[17:27] <smoser> where was that ?
[17:27] <smoser> shoot.
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: maybe. those diff's are created when for example (on a quilt 3.0 package format) you make a modification to a file directly, and then you debuild -S
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: it separates the changes made to a file into a patch under debian/patches
[17:28] <smoser> right. they are.
[17:28] <smoser> hold on
[17:29] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so if that happens and you don't notice it, every time you unpack a *.dsc then, those patches will be there
[17:30] <smoser> yeah, i know.
[17:30] <smoser> let me see why it was there.
[17:38] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ok. i'll fix and put a new file on people.canonical
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: no worries
[17:38] <smoser> there was a space inserted in the local file
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i just dropped that patch
[17:38] <smoser> so... i think we had this conversation before
[17:39] <smoser> is there a way to tell debuild -S
[17:39] <smoser> to *fail* if there are changes not accounted for ?
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: not that I know of
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> :S
[17:39] <smoser> i really hate that automagic diff
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: hehehe yeah sometimes is a PITA
[17:39] <smoser> it has caused 3 problems by 3 different ubuntu server developers in the past week
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: but yes, no worries, I'll drop that patch myself and make sure is no longer created
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: indeed, I think we need to raise this in a ML, as well as the creation of the .pc directories with patches applied
[17:41] <wild_oscar> in a raid, what is meant by "disk fail"? is having bad blocks a disk fail?
[17:43] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ok. that is now avaailble on people.canonical
[17:43] <smoser> in the same directory, just overwritten
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: cool, thanks
[17:44] <smoser> RoAkSoAx,  do you think you could push the bzr tree ?
[17:44] <smoser> if difficult or likely to cause problems, i'd say FORGET IT
[17:44] <smoser> but if we can save that history, then i wouldn't mind having it.
[17:45] <smoser> given my recent experience with breaking the importer, i think maybe just best to let it do its job, and i'll re-set my ppa trees though.
[17:46] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah I think we could wait till the packages get's accepted by an archive admin
[17:46] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: cause it has to pass through there once I upload it
[17:46] <RoAkSoAx> since it is a new package
[17:47] <smoser> right.
[17:53] <adam_g> kirkland: ping
[17:53] <kirkland> adam_g: yo!
[17:54] <adam_g> kirkland: hey man, what cobbler package were  you speakin of in reply to my msg about mysql + debconf?
[17:54] <kirkland> adam_g: one sec...
[17:54] <Daviey> smoser: talking of auto diff...
[17:55] <Daviey> $ cat ~/.devscripts
[17:55] <Daviey> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="--source-option=--abort-on-upstream-changes"
[17:55] <Daviey> enjoy.
[17:56] <kirkland> adam_g: wow, sorry, i was completely off ... it's orchestra itself
[17:56] <kirkland> adam_g: ./debian/ubuntu-orchestra-management-server.postinst:           mysql --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf --execute="create database if not exists ${MYSQL_PUPPET_DATABASE}"
[17:56] <kirkland> adam_g: the password is stored in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[17:56] <kirkland> adam_g: that file is perm'd 600
[17:57] <kirkland> adam_g: as far as i'm aware, that's our distro best practice for automating mysql commands as root, where mysql passwords are needed
[17:57] <adam_g> kirkland: ya, i had found that just now. its assumed that every new mysql-server has the debian.cnf with the valid root passwd?
[17:57] <smoser> whoot! danke, Daviey
[17:57] <kirkland> adam_g: correctamundo
[17:57] <smoser> Daviey, i also like how you used '~' to hide the fact that '~' for you is /root
[17:58] <adam_g> kirkland: okay, that help a lot for our use case. thanks!
[17:58] <kirkland> adam_g: the goal, i think, is to a) keep it out of debconf's db, and b) keep it from appearing in ps output from passing it in clear on the command line
[17:58] <Daviey> smoser: I had to dig through the dpkg code to find that... I was gonna write support for it myself :)
[17:58] <kirkland> adam_g: and the above method solves both of those
[17:58] <Daviey> smoser: lol
[17:58] <kirkland> adam_g: you still have a cleartext password on disk
[17:58] <kirkland> adam_g: so if somone has physical access to the box, obviously they can boot a live cd and steal that pw
[17:59] <kirkland> adam_g: but if someone has physical access to your server, you better trust them already
[17:59] <adam_g> kirkland: right
[17:59] <Daviey> adam_g / kirkland: is this for installing, or ongoing?
[17:59] <adam_g> kirk: do you know if setting the root mysql passwd to something other than whats stored in debian.cnf will break upgrades?
[17:59] <Daviey> as in, you need the password to bootstrap, or for the lifetime?
[18:00] <kirkland> Daviey: probably lifetime?
[18:00] <kirkland> Daviey: certainly for upgrades
[18:00] <patdk-wk> adam_g that isn't the root password, that is debian-sys-maint user password
[18:00] <kirkland> adam_g: yeah, will break upgrades
[18:00] <kirkland> adam_g: you'd need to update it in debian.cnf, if you change it
[18:01] <adam_g> 10-4
[18:18] <NCommand1r> zul: persia was working on a fix for that
[18:18] <zul> NCommand1r: cool i have a fix for it as well :)
[18:55] <ahasenack> hi guys, are you aware of an ssl problem that may be affecting lucid on the server side?
[18:55] <ahasenack> right now, for example, this errors: gnutls-cli admin.landscape.canonical.com
[18:55] <ahasenack> same for chromium and firefox when accessing that site
[18:56] <ahasenack> it was working just a few moments ago, and will eventually resume working later in the day, or when apache is restarted
[18:56] <ahasenack> we see this accross several servers every few days/weeks
[18:56] <slyboots> well.. I doubt anyone here has any control over that
[18:56] <ahasenack> slyboots: I'm not thinking about sysadmins, but about the ssl packages in ubuntu now
[18:57] <zul> mdeslaur: ^^^
[18:57] <ahasenack> slyboots: just wondering if somebody else saw something similar
[18:58] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: nope, I haven't seen that...but it may be related to having your intermediate certs out of order
[18:59] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: a restart would fix that?
[18:59] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: ah, no
[19:00] <ahasenack> openssl's s_client is also failing, with a padding check failure
[19:00] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: if you downgrade openssl and/or apache on the server, does it go away? can you pinpoint when it started doing that?
[19:00] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: not precisely, just "months ago"
[19:02] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: also, try changing <VirtualHost *> to <VirtualHost *:80>
[19:02] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: I can't downgrade it, also because it would take days/weeks to happen again and we can't leave the server running without updates for that long
[19:02] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: apparently some versions of apache get confused and send unencrypted stuff to 443 by mistake
[19:04] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: all our VirtualHost directives have a port number, and some also have ip:port
[19:04] <patdk-wk> are you missing ssl enable stuff on your :443 vhosts?
[19:05] <ahasenack> no, and a restart wouldn't fix the problem if that were the case
[19:05] <patdk-wk> oh, didn't know that fixed it
[19:05] <ahasenack> actually, a graceful restart, not a full restart
[19:05] <ahasenack> np
[19:06] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: are there any proxies between that server and the net? is it happening on the lan right in front of the web server?
[19:06] <ahasenack> if I try to access http on port 443, it complains about a bad request as expected
[19:06] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: let me try localhost
[19:07] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: happens on the same machine, using its fqdn, which points to the IP on its eth0
[19:07] <mdeslaur> ok, hmm
[19:08] <ahasenack> that machine has a few vhosts for ssl, the others are working (or most of them, I didn't try one by one)
[19:08] <ahasenack> they all point to the same ip
[19:08] <ahasenack> so it's using that ssl/tls extension about the server name
[19:09] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: this is bug #795355?
[19:09] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: maybe, let me check
[19:10] <roberthend> Hello, i'm going to setup a FTP server and a SSH server on one machine, but the machine got enough power to do more then only this. Does somebody have a good idea to do with the rest of the power that the machine offers ?
[19:10] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: looks exactly like it
[19:10] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: same error message from openssl, same "fix" (reload), intermittent behavior
[19:11] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: hmm, the other common thing is that a wildcard cert is being used
[19:11] <mdeslaur> curiously, the only bug that's been reported is also on a canonical server
[19:12] <ahasenack> yeah, that's probably our IS guy, I see some people complained to IS and they said they would open a bug
[19:13] <roberthend> BTW, is there a guide to set up a safe server ?
[19:13] <ahasenack> it's a different cert, but most likely a wildcard one too
[19:13] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: maybe try a backported openssl from natty
[19:14] <mdeslaur> since he already tried a backported apache
[19:14] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: I think he did that, he mentions a backport
[19:15] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: he mentions apache, but not openssl
[19:16] <slyboots> I think my brain is going to melt, trying to get email working haha..
[19:18] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: that bug link is about mod_ssl actually
[19:18] <ahasenack> anyway
[19:20] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: uhm, yeah...you're not using apache2's mod_ssl for your https?
[19:20] <mdeslaur> and mod_ssl uses openssl
[19:20] <ahasenack> it's hard to make it happen, and even harder because once it happens, and you want to try something, the restart that you need to do "cures" it
[19:21] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: yeah, it's openssl
[19:21] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: got your point, ok
[19:23] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: I'll reload it now, need it working again. If somebody gets a report like this from a non canonical.com site, that would be most interesting
[19:23] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: thanks for the discussion
[19:24] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: I do see mention of similar failures on a few websites
[19:24] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: this thread has someone updating openssl to 0.9.8n: http://code.google.com/p/cherokee/issues/detail?id=594
[19:24] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: I think an openssl backport from natty to lucid would be worthwhile as the next test
[19:25] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: that won't need a rebuild? What version is in natty?
[19:25] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: also, subscribe yourself to bug 795355, and let's follow the discussion there
[19:26] <ahasenack> admin.landscape.canonical.com was just graceful'ed, ssl is working now
[19:41] <ChmEarl> does 11.10 still have a symlink from /usr/lib64 -> /usr/lib/  ?
[19:42] <ChmEarl> in amd64
[20:16] <soren> smoser: While you're in there, could you remove me from the Maintainer field of ec2-ami-tools?
[20:17] <smoser> too late
[20:17] <smoser> but i will do that.
[20:18] <smoser> soren, should that be me ?
[20:18] <smoser> or should it be ubuntu-devel
[20:21] <smoser> it seems (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete) that it should be ubuntu-devel-discuss. i only wondered because of multiverse
[20:24] <soren> smoser: It can be you, if you want.
[20:24] <smoser> i
[20:24] <smoser> i'd rather it not
[20:25] <soren> you
[20:25] <soren> I know the feeling :)
[20:25] <soren> No worries, ubuntu-devel-discuss is fine.
[20:25] <smoser> so i'll just leave it as soren
[20:25] <smoser> :)
[20:25] <soren> bah
[20:25] <soren> smoser: Who the update, though? Why not just remove it? Doesn't euca2ools do all we need?
[20:25] <soren> s/Who/Why/
[20:27] <zul> soren: what?! you dont want the maintainer to be Soren "The Cool Dude Golfer Dude" Hansen <soren@ubuntu.com> :)
[20:31] <smoser> soren, probably... i will conssider that in the future.
[20:32] <soren> zul: I should really find that golfer idiot's e-mail address and put that.
[20:32] <zul> hahaha
[21:00] <lynxman> soren: have you tried contacting him at idiotgolfer@aol.com?
[21:38] <Xago> Hi, How can I know IP address if I have MacAdress only?
[21:40] <lifeless> SpamapS: is http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/lxc-configure-ubuntu-lucid-containers/ good advice?
[21:40] <Daviey> Xago: if you have communicated to it recently, hopefully it's in your ARP cache.  Otherwise, your router might have an idea.
[21:40] <Xago> I was watching into my router :(
[21:41] <Xago> niether arp
[21:41] <Dynamit> i have wierd problem if im write http://84.55.71.22/annat/ the dir is showing but not the content in the map
[21:41] <Dynamit> never got this problem before so i dunno how to fix it
[22:01]  * slyboots makes a noise thats like a honk..but isnt!
[22:02] <Corey> Dynamit: Check your logs.
[22:02] <Corey> ENsure it's going where you THINK it's going.
[22:02] <Dynamit> i will get help from a very good friend
[22:03] <Corey> Okay then
[22:10] <axisys> how do I get a puppet version higher than 0.25.4 on lucid? it is very old
[22:10] <axisys> would be nice if that one upgrades automatically with apt
[22:11] <axisys> otherwise last resort would be just download a copy from puppetlabs
[22:28] <SpamapS> lifeless: reading
[22:29] <SpamapS> lifeless: its important to note that, since that post, lxc has been disabled in the default updated lucid kernel
[22:29] <SpamapS> lifeless: you have to use the lts backport kernel
[22:33] <SpamapS> lifeless: serge from our team did a bunch of stuff to make spawning lucid on maverick and natty work pretty well tho
[22:39] <lifeless> SpamapS: are there docs?
[22:39] <lifeless> SpamapS: what I want is lucid userspace lxc on my natty machine
[22:39] <lifeless> for lp dev
[22:40] <SpamapS> lxc-create -n lucid-test-lp -t lucid -f /etc/lxc/basic.conf
[22:41] <lifeless> so edit that file to assign ip address etc?
[22:42] <SpamapS> lifeless: yes, man 5 lxc.conf has some helpful stuff too
[22:42] <lifeless> kk thanks
[22:43] <SpamapS> hrm
[22:43] <SpamapS> I'm having trouble starting the containers.. I think there's a step I forgot
[23:12] <SpamapS> lifeless: looks like there's a bug that may get in the way..
[23:13] <SpamapS> lifeless: bug #784093 .. I just posted a workaround if you happen to hit it
[23:14] <SpamapS> lifeless: also the default templates don't seem to create any users.. that can be.. hindering
[23:14] <lifeless> heh
[23:14] <lifeless> for bind mounted dirs
[23:14] <lifeless> uids need to match, right ?
[23:14] <SpamapS> lifeless: tho I think for you, you can make a 'lp-test' template that does all you need.
[23:14] <SpamapS> lifeless: yes
[23:15] <silence9> hi there, I screwed something up using webmin to admister samba on ubuntu server. and yes yes I know, bad webmin, not supported, i've learned my lesson but i'd appreciate any help in fixing the issue I caused with it
[23:19] <silence9> I used the 'convert unix users to samba users' in webmin and it made my domain go crazy, i have two samba pdc's serving about 40 windows machines that now cannot locate the domain after i made that mistake
[23:21] <lcb> hi. any known "web based operating system" to install into 11.04?
[23:23] <SpamapS> silence9: that one is a notorious for screwing things up. :)
[23:23] <silence9> SpamapS: ah shucks, tell me about it, i'm in quite the bind. know anything of it?
[23:23] <SpamapS> lcb: What is a "web based operating system" ?
[23:24] <SpamapS> silence9: I've not run a Samba PDC since the Win2000 days. No clue.
[23:25] <lcb> SpamapS: almost the same as cloud computing - you serve applications trough it
[23:25] <SpamapS> lcb: you mean a server OS?
[23:25] <silence9> SpamapS: thanks anyway, mate.
[23:25] <lcb> SpamapS: not really.. a server in a server, probably that way.
[23:25] <SpamapS> silence9: were it me, i'd start restoring the configs and samba's database files (I think in /var/lib/samba) from backups. :-P
[23:26] <SpamapS> lcb: I'm sorry but I don't think that makes sense to me.
[23:27] <lcb> SpamapS: this probably would make sense to you. that's one among a lot of them. -> http://www.cloudo.com/
[23:29] <SpamapS> lcb: ahh, there are tons of web applications you can serve with Ubuntu
[23:29] <SpamapS> lcb: but "install" isn't really something you do with a web based os.. you just access it, and use it.
[23:29] <lcb> SpamapS: alltogetter like a... suite, to install?
[23:29] <SpamapS> lcb: why don't you tell me what you want to *do* not what software class you want.
[23:30] <lcb> SpamapS: i need something that provides a word processor, some sort of image editing, image manipulation, calculator, calendar, appointments, contacts ...
[23:31] <lcb> SpamapS: ... so users could use from one point, share, integrate some data into MySQL etc
[23:32] <lcb> SpamapS: i were thinking in integrating whatever is available with joomala or drupal
[23:33] <SpamapS> lcb: you can just use local apps and file sharing for most of that
[23:34] <lcb> SpamapS: never did that :) (with those apps i said) can you give me a jump start?
[23:37] <SpamapS> lcb: libreoffice works quite well
[23:37] <lcb> SpamapS: i'm a fast learner. just give me a hint on how to start, for instance with a word editor.
[23:38] <lcb> SpamapS: can we integrate it into a browser so users don't need it on their own machine? I believe so. How can i start with that?
[23:38] <lcb> SpamapS: ubuntu 11.04, non graphical - unless needed
[23:43] <SpamapS> lcb: what you're talking about is thin client, or "desktop in the cloud"
[23:44] <lcb> SpamapS: the idea of the usage is exactly like the "cloudo". users from anywhere with anything could access it and manipulate data.
[23:45] <SpamapS> lcb: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2010/11/show-off-ubuntu-desktop-on-cloud/
[23:46] <lcb> SpamapS: ok, i'll learn clouding. i thought i needed that. the only thing is, looking at those "web OSes" i thought we would have some "suite" into one single package to install on the server.
[23:46] <lcb> thanks SpamapS :)
[23:48] <lcb> SpamapS: starting... http://www.ubuntu.com/business/cloud/overview
[23:52] <Alan> Not sure if this is a server or client problem... but for some reason, i've just started getting  "mount error(112): Host is down" trying to mount my samba share from a 10.04 ubuntu server to a 11.04 ubuntu desktop
[23:53] <Alan> has anybody else encountered similar unexpected breakage?
[23:53] <Alan> maybe after recent desktop updates or something?
[23:55] <lcb> SpamapS: "lcb: http://*" thanks
[23:57] <Alan> crap, i think i found my problem...
[23:59] <Alan> I actually managed to break something with IPv6