[00:31] [Jono Bacon] Standard Ubuntu Gaming Platform: Sink Or Swim? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/14/standard-ubuntu-gaming-platform-sink-or-swim/ [00:31] I... [00:31] ...don't know what on earth is going on with my system [00:32] I'm trying to attach a file to an email in Gmail, and every time I try, it attaches the wrong file (another random file from my home directory) [00:32] I assumed it was Epiphany's fault (though no idea why it just started), until I found it happened in Chrome too [00:33] If it happens in Firefox as well I don't know what I'll do :) [00:33] It must be a GTK bug [00:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/558674 [00:39] Ubuntu bug 558674 in GTK+ "Open file dialog malfunctions in lucid" [Medium,Fix released] [00:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/558674/comments/30 [00:40] Ubuntu bug 558674 in GTK+ "Open file dialog malfunctions in lucid" [Medium,Fix released] [00:40] Ouch, that's painful [03:04] Morning.. [03:04] Can't sleep.. [03:14] howdy :P [03:19] Funny how it goes midweek - [03:20] * alexcockell got brew, so should be ok.. [03:20] Hmm - do I spin up a DVD - or browse? [03:21] Good thing I've got the whole week working from home while this abscess finishes clearing.. [03:22] \o/ [03:32] * alexcockell yawns [03:32] Morning Ging.. [03:32] Another one who can't sleep? [03:37] I just usually don't sleep at this time, I'm a night lurker [03:59] Ahhh... I get you.. [04:00] * alexcockell looking at some places I used to buy nukable meals from [04:05] :P [04:05] places like http://www.jollygourmand.co.uk [04:07] hehe [04:35] did anyone watch Terry Pratchett, Choosing To Die ? [04:35] tough watch that. but an important subject to cover [04:35] upsetting though.. [04:37] sorry bit off topic that but [06:42] morning all [06:47] \o AlanBell [07:31] [Jono Bacon] Metal Free Software Song 2: This Time Its Personal - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/ [07:37] hey guys!! [07:38] need some help with my vps server running on unbuntu! [07:46] *ubuntu i mean [08:04] nixtux: what's the actual question you have? [08:04] Ah. niolite's left [08:05] maybe that's the problem..it just died, taking him with it ;-) [08:08] haha [08:14] Hmm - EKOPath 4 compiler is now opensource...apparently it's much much faster than GCC - does that mean in future we're going to see Ubuntu go even faster? (benchmark-wise, it is about the same as Windows, except for graphics) [08:15] assuming they use EXOPath 4 [08:15] I can guess Gentoo would be the first to do so :) [08:26] good luck getting all the packages in a typical distro to compile with anything but gcc [08:26] if you want to see ubuntu go really fast just buy more ram [08:30] Any of you guys do web development ? [08:30] Morning peeps [08:30] diplo: I do [08:31] Hiya bigcalm [08:31] I use Codeigniter framework, tried creating my first rss feed [08:31] Can see the feed in the source [08:31] but can't get it to display on the page === ChrisB is now known as Guest48786 [08:32] I've not used codeigniter [08:32] Any thoughts on why.. does RSS *need* a style sheet by default ? [08:32] A RSS feed is just an XML file [08:32] yep [08:32] It shouldn't have any styles [08:33] My code looks the same as BBC's but doesn't display say in firefox to subscribe [08:33] Do you have a live URL I can look at? [08:33] But BBC's does, I just can't think what else to look at :/ [08:33] Local :( [08:34] Ok, are you passing the correct Content-type into header()? [08:34] Only thing that displays is the title [08:34] text/xml [08:34] yeah, tried it two different ways from tutorials on the web [08:34] rss+xml [08:34] I'm passing [08:35] header("Content-Type: application/rss+xml") [08:36] Load the feed in firefox and see what firebug says about the document [08:37] Do you know what, I haven't even looked at Firebugs output [08:37] Good call! [08:37] :) [08:41] * diplo hugs bigcalm [08:41] I use Firebug everyday yet i missed that [08:42] Still not sure what the part I've just removed does ( first time XML person ) but going to look into it today [08:42] Good show :) [08:44] To do with the use of CDATA [08:44] Going to work out what that is now :) [08:44] CDATA = character data [08:45] this could be cdata [08:45] (it's cdata if foo is defined as containing cdata, of if you use ) [08:45] diplo: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_cdata.asp [08:46] On that page now funnily enough ta [08:48] aha, think the code was incorrect on tutorial [08:48] All working, thanks all! [08:53] hello all [09:03] morning all [09:03] * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause she need to be wide awake [09:03] * MooDoo prods davmor2 cause he's prodding czajkowski and i need someone to prod [09:04] MooDoo: Morning me owld mukka [09:04] davmor2: hi mate :) [09:07] ARGH! [09:07] Opened a tab and forgotten what I was going to do with it [09:11] Morning all [09:17] Mornin all === will is now known as Guest26183 [09:17] considering eating this innocent smoothie with a spoon..rather thick [09:18] mornin all [09:19] morning [09:20] Hi hoovie [09:26] bigcalm, one last issue if you have any idea [09:26] BST does not seem to be supported ( using date('T') ) [09:26] by rss [09:27] My google foo isn't fielding results atm, any thoughts apart from hard coding [09:27] ? [09:27] Works fine if i hardcode GMT in there [09:27] bigcalm: I can help you there you were going to use it to do something :) hope that helped [09:27] davmor2: what would I do without you? [09:27] diplo: um. Have you set a local time? [09:27] good morning everyone. [09:28] ah, so in the php.ini ? [09:28] You can do it in there. You can also do it in .htaccess or in the PHP itself [09:28] I personally try not to alter php.ini [09:29] Morning [09:29] bigcalm: I've know idea carry on living maybe? [09:30] One would hope [09:36] only one way to find out.. *sharpens knife* [09:36] Ever get the feeling you've walked into the wrong conversation? [09:37] daubers: hmm? :) [09:37] they are about to cut a cake :) [09:37] a wednesday cake [09:37] CAKE! [09:37] cake? [09:37] mmm bought some custard tarts today [09:38] * daubers wants cake, but isn't allowed it :( [09:38] i need to start thinking about rooting my htx desire now that gbread isn't coming [09:38] daubers: The computer wants you to complete an obstacle course first? [09:38] oimon: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ [09:39] however i also like the sense ui [09:39] * MartijnVdS loves his N1 [09:39] i find stock android ugly [09:39] MartijnVdS: That would be better, but it's more that I tried to fit in my tux I bought at Uni the other month and there where..... humorous consequences [09:39] i hear there's sense mods too [09:39] MooDoo: you live in nottingham don't you? [09:39] Morning all btw [09:39] howdy popey [09:39] o/ popey [09:40] Hi popey [09:40] popey: yeah [09:41] sort your local LUG out! [09:41] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/014261.html [09:41] anyone here running a cyanogen mod? [09:41] Welcome to the past, welcome to Nottingham! [09:41] bigcalm: ? [09:41] oimon: not till tonight [09:41] lol [09:42] popey: sigh [09:42] as another friend pointed out, that thread epitomises whats wrong with LUGs [09:42] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/thread.html#14269 <- more chat about renaming the LUG than anything else [09:42] oimon: now that gingerbread isn't being release for my phone, i'm going to try it tonight [09:42] i'll be back tomorrow to ask how it went :) [09:42] oimon: one of the best android mods [09:42] do you have a desire? [09:43] Nope, n1 [09:43] I loves my n1 [09:43] N1 \o/ [09:43] also amusingly http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/2011-June/014266.html suggests that we (lug.org.uk) should register glug.org.uk for "GNU/Linux User Group" [09:43] Pssst (I did that about 2 years ago) [09:43] i wonder if i'm getting it right about Sense [09:44] though the NS looks nice (my N1 is starting to become a bit rebooty) [09:44] or if the cyanogen gives me what i'm using anyway [09:44] i want a rock solid mod, for sure [09:44] MartijnVdS: same here. I'm hoping a new release will fix some issues [09:44] popey: they are a bunch of old crankys set in their ways ;) [09:44] popey: I thought that was for Gloucester Lug? [09:44] oimon: about as rock solid as you're going to get [09:44] nope [09:44] I registered http://glug.org.uk/ [09:44] popey: Teasing :D [09:45] nobody else had it [09:45] neuro wanted it for Glasgae iirc [09:45] GLUG that's the one that involves drinking right? [09:46] oimon: desire too right? [09:46] yes [09:46] oimon: sigh eh :) [09:46] it's terrible PR for them [09:46] definately especially as gingerbread works fine on it [09:46] they should make it work [09:46] check out their fb wall and it's full of fail [09:47] https://www.facebook.com/htcuk?sk=wall [09:47] oimon: it does work already,they are just talking #FAIL [09:47] * daubers gets his galaxy S 2 next month \o/ [09:47] daubers: :p [09:47] \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ [09:48] i need a faster SD card too [09:48] especially if i use data to sd [09:49] morning from ExCeL [09:49] hm. the noc is looking very canonical today [09:49] AlanBell: morning :D [09:49] meh [09:49] * MooDoo gives czajkowski a big hug :D [09:49] daubers: I amtethering right now with my S2 [09:50] czajkowski: what is meh? [09:50] bugs [09:50] AlanBell: Morning! Also, I've potentially got (1 or 2) HD cameras that are not tape driven for oggcampe [09:50] IMAP is wonderful ;) [09:50] Just keep it away from Evolution [09:51] oh nice daubers [09:51] They'll also accept audio in. So we could get them a feed from somewher [09:51] e [09:51] If I were to have a nap under my desk, would anybody notice? [09:51] bigcalm: Depends on where your desk is located [09:52] daubers: you could stream it using bambuser ;) [09:52] daubers: in my house ;) [09:52] MooDoo: Might have some slight sync issues :p [09:52] I started the day with coffee when I usually have tea. I wonder if that's made the difference? [09:53] surely it'd go the other way? [09:54] MooDoo: However, depending on the venues internet connectivity, it might be possible to stream the video out using something [09:54] daubers: sounds good, it would be nice to see it live-ish especially for people like me that can't make it [09:55] MooDoo: Would really, really depend on their bandwidth though [09:55] daubers: yeah [09:55] (I suspect it's not good) [09:55] nah, 3G bonding of all participants, we'll be fine [09:55] I have a funny feeling that to get the videos uploaded there may be a sneakernet system to AlanBells house [09:56] anyone recommend a good but inexpensive microSD card for my htc? [09:56] * BigRedS packs some empty pringles cans [09:56] Heh :) [10:00] I hate documentation [10:00] Considering I always get interrupted when I'm writing it, I'm taking that as a sign the universe doesn't want me to write it [10:03] w [10:06] quick question re: android custom roms - if i want to revert to the htc rom after loading the cyanogen one is it possible? [10:06] oimon: i'll tell you tomorrow pmsl [10:09] oimon: yes, it is, do a nandroid backup inbetween, so you canalways wipe, and restore fromthe backup. [10:09] brobostigon: great cheers, will look into that. [10:09] oimon: :) [10:10] oimon: idoit everytime, incase i mess up. [10:10] i'm on holiday soon so i will try to wait till afterwards to do the upgrade [10:10] nandroid needs root? [10:10] oimon: no, it partof the new recovery youwill need. [10:10] oimon: yes and so does cygnamonthingy [10:10] sorry i thought it did [10:11] MooDoo: its ppart of the phones recovery software, [10:11] brobostigon: ah! :0 [10:11] :) [10:12] http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Howto:_Using_the_Recovery [10:13] oimon, You can use LauncherPro. That along with Cyanogen does quite a lot, probably more than Sense can do. [10:13] amon_ra and clockworkmod are twotypes. [10:14] guys at this rate i will be tempted to slap cyanogen by the end of the day :S [10:14] oimon - like bigcalm I've got a N1. Got Cyanogen on mine, and it's awesome. [10:14] * MooDoo will install it on his desire this very evening [10:15] oimon: one thing, do you research properly, about the process. lets justsay, ididnt, and almost regreetted it. [10:15] oh? [10:15] oimon: i almost bricked myphone. [10:16] I think Gingerbread isn't going on Desire due to lack of memory does make sense actually - it's not the speed, the phone can run it fine, but the available space on a Desire, like the N1 is quite small. [10:16] And Gingerbread eat into that, leaving very little space left over even with App2SD. [10:17] I use Cyanogen 7 (which is GB) and I use SD-EXT just to make room for app installation. [10:17] JGJones: the version of AOSP of gingerbread i have on myhtc dream right now, is almost as perfect as cm6/2.2.1 [10:17] which SD ards do u use? [10:17] oimon, I use a Transmedia class 10 SD card btw. - get a fast SD card [10:18] oimon: a 2gb microsd. [10:18] brobostigon: class? [10:18] oimon, mine is 8GB [10:18] oimon: not a clue. [10:18] brobostigon, if it came with the phone, it'll probably be class 4. [10:19] i think it makes a big difference. mine is a class 2 that came with the phone and HD video doesn't work properly - jitters [10:19] when recording [10:19] JGJones: no, i added it seperatly. [10:19] Oimon I can recommend transmedia class 10 SD - it's fast. I don't notice any difference speed-wise when I'm using SD-EXT [10:19] even my Dalvik cache is on SD. [10:20] interesting. [10:22] found a kingston class 10 pretty cheap, think i will go with that [10:23] JGJones: do you mean transcend rather than transmedia? [10:23] hmm oh yeah you might be right. [10:24] looking [10:25] yeah it is [10:25] Hi there [10:25] I was wondering how USB devices get their device ID? [10:25] Is there a particular order? [10:29] burned in at manufacture [10:29] d3ngar: look up HAL [10:29] Bus 002 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port [10:29] if you're talking about 067b:2303 [10:30] daubers: yeah, my house and popey's, he has more upstream I think [10:30] No, sorry... Should be more precise: how dows a device become /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc [10:30] I have two external disc [10:30] first come first served usually [10:30] order of detection [10:30] a->z [10:30] /dev/sdb became /dev/sdc [10:30] if sdb is in use it will use sdc [10:30] After reboot and messed up some of the mount points in fstab [10:30] True, that makes sense [10:31] thats why fstab uses UUID now [10:31] not device names [10:31] i see [10:31] UUID=1bfde0d5-1f55-436b-8271-96cc2c05a96f / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 [10:31] like that [10:31] alright, so I should probably change that [10:31] JGJones: just got myself a transcend class 10 ..you can collect your commission now :) [10:31] How do I get the UUID? [10:31] http://people.redhat.com/davidz/hal-spec/hal-spec.html#fdi-policy [10:32] http://www.michaelwood.me.uk/wordpress/2008/11/18/changing-a-hal-media-mount-point/ [10:32] oimon, next - get ready to install Cyanogen ;-) [10:32] gonna wait for the card to arrive first :D [10:33] I can recommend LauncherPro Plus - it have some of the same widgets you get in Sense I think (Never used Sense so can't be sure) [10:33] but it's fast. [10:34] but ...it ....costs.....money :o) [10:35] * oimon buys hardware willy nilly but software is a stumlbing block :) [10:36] JGJones: how about separate profiles? I only found those in sense so far [10:36] (htc wildfire here) [10:38] LauncherPro is free [10:39] it just lets you try to do things only plus will do, and then asks if you'd like to buy it to do whatever it is [10:40] I've tried launcherpro a while ago [10:40] hoover, separate profiles? Separate user accounts etc? [10:40] no, just the usual "vibrate", "normal", "meeting" and so on [10:43] there was an app I used to use that'd do brilliant profile changes [10:44] You could set it to change most of the alerts and volumes based on time, presence of Wifi, presence of 3g, location [10:44] all sorts. It was amazing. But I've not needed it for a couple of years so I've no idea whether it still exists [10:45] It didn't do ambient noise, though, which irked me [10:45] hoover, ah those...I tend to use Tasker myself [10:46] hoover, my phone is permenantly on silent anyway. [10:55] *sigh* [10:55] hmm..you have to root your phone to install nandroid backup, but rooting deletes all data...paradox here [10:56] Myrtti: *hugs* [10:57] oimon: you always root your phone before using it, surely? [10:57] ummm [10:57] no need [10:57] ive not rooted mine :-) [10:57] Oh [10:57] freaks :) [10:57] nexus one ♥ [10:58] you can get individual backup things, what're you wanting to backup in particular? [11:00] BigRedS: backup the whole shebang, pre-custom rom install [11:01] although i heard that unrevoked will not wipe your data [11:01] well, your contacts will be on Google, there's certainly apps for SMSs and for apps [11:02] I'd not trust the idea of a rom install that doesn't wipe data :) Upgrades frequently don't, but I've not come across a rom *install* that doesn't [11:02] though I've not particularly looked, either... [11:03] not a rom install, just rooting it in advance of a rom install [11:03] ohhh. rooting shouldn't kill anything IME [11:03] though I've only done that three times, and I imagine there's many many more ways and devices than that of doing it [11:03] hmm prob not the best time for me to research this..i think i'll do the proper research and pick a saturday to do it :) [11:04] haha, yeah. You've probably come across it already, but xda-developers is a goldmine for this sort of info [11:15] Hm. I have a bunch of colour themes for my terminal, and I'd like to be able to periodically change which one I'm using but I can't see a way of saying "make this one default". Is there a way? [11:16] BigRedS: gnome-terminal? [11:16] BigRedS, Gnome Terminal? [11:17] oimon JGJones er, Terminator but it appears to use g-t [11:17] If so - Edit > Profiles in Gnome Terminal will do it. [11:17] aha! [11:17] ah, terminator doesn't use that :/ [11:18] To the launchpad! :) [11:18] sigh...anyone have a clue on how to speed up MX Records in validation for Google Apps? [11:18] It've been over 30 hours now while I wait for them to "verify" it. [11:21] Add the additional DNS TXT record [11:22] Already done that step, the 2nd step is to verify the MX records. [11:22] and that part is taking a silly amount of time. [11:25] run your own mx and dns servers? :) [11:26] BigRedS, I would, but not for me :) [11:26] run someone else's mx and ns then :) [11:28] Hmm googling it, and someone mentioned they waited 2 weeks...eek [11:29] look like I might need to wait 48 hours and it've not quite been that long. [11:31] anyone know who i can complain to about Virgin sending me mail to "the occupier...1 oimon road, oimonsley" [11:32] i have tried asking virgin but no success [11:33] I'd probably ask ofcom :) [11:33] There's probably a more sensible route for junk mail, but I like complaining to ofcom [11:35] I wonder whether danfish has lost a laptop? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/15/eight_million_health_records/ [11:35] to talk to our team press 0: "oops that's not recognised" [11:35] oimon: really? [11:35] Drinking mugs of real coffee as if they were tea - not good [11:36] When you use Totem to watch a movie and download subtitles with it - where does this subtitle file goes? in /tmp or elsewhere? [11:38] chances are it doesn't go anywhere [11:38] on the phone to virgin..asking to get put on the "do not contact" list [11:38] willing to wait all day :) [11:39] Had a 6" sub yesterday and then got an email saying I'd just won a 6" sub. Do I dare have another one today? [11:41] popey: you think that 25k bitcoin heist is legit? [11:42] allegedly virgin told me that i won't receive any more mail [11:42] although they asked for my name in the process [11:42] i feel like i've been stiched up [11:43] Where do I put python scripts for nautlius to use? [11:43] bigcalm: 6 inch subs are rubbish, you should start with a foot long, they are better :D [11:43] is it in ~/.nautlius ? [11:51] MooDoo: over-eating is rubbish. It takes a lot of will power not to get the foot long [11:51] bigcalm: i won't say that sometimes i normally have 2 :S [11:51] whaa? [11:51] You have 2 foot long subs for lunch [11:52] ? [11:52] ££ [11:52] bigcalm: i've been known too on occasion, i'm tall so got hollow legs lol [11:52] * oimon discovers why he is underweight [11:52] Heh [11:52] oimon: i'm clinically obese, well occording to the dr's lol [11:52] everybody else has been eating behind his back [11:53] just like when people pretend not to revise for exams [11:53] greggs over the road from my office do foot long subs for between £1.95 and £2.90 [11:53] Not quite the same [11:54] i have a cornish pasty for lunch [11:54] oimon, I just read up.. I left virgin 8 months ago and get at least 3-4 of those letters a month [11:55] If you are still on the phone add me :) [11:55] diplo: i called 0845 454 11 11 [11:55] then after waiting a few mins if offers you to press 0 to speak to team. it failed twice and worked the 3rd time. [11:55] then i said "add me to your do not contact list" [11:55] she said ummm not sure how to do that [11:56] finally she promised it was sorted [11:56] i should have recorded the call tho [11:57] :) [12:08] oimon: only if you'd tell her you were recording it [12:08] czajkowski: i don't think that's an issue [12:09] yes it is... [12:09] you have to tell someone you are recording a call [12:09] Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. [12:09] do I have to let people know that I intend to record their telephone conversations with me? No, [12:09] ^^ from ofcom [12:10] yes... [12:10] but saying "I'm recording this" is normally more effective than just quietly recording it anyway [12:10] what kinda people want to record a conversation anyways [12:10] *bogggles* [12:10] weird [12:10] in the past , it's made VM hang up on me [12:10] oimon: because it's weird... [12:10] that's why [12:10] oh [12:10] i had to record my calls with them because they thieved from me [12:10] BigRedS: aye exactly [12:11] * czajkowski goes to read emails [12:11]