[00:20] Hello there [00:24] party [00:25] found a work around for the Aptana Pydev issue. it basically disables the global menu thing before starting it up [00:25] are you guys representin' yet? [00:26] yea, jcastro and snap-l and greg-g went [00:26] rocking the house :) [00:26] w00t! [00:26] Gib is recording it [00:27] he will upload it somewhere afterwards? [00:28] make sure you send the link out over the ubuntu-michigan mailing list ;) [00:28] I assume he is? [00:29] oh, definitely, and a blog post, and a tweet/dent, and a... uhhh, an IM? [00:29] post it to the ubuntu michigan facebook page [00:29] i think snap-l [00:29] is the curator [00:30] oh, I forgot about that [00:30] oooh, we could put it on diaspora! [00:33] https://joindiaspora.com/status_messages/289156 [00:33] You need to sign in or sign up before continuing. [00:33] :( [00:33] open I see :P [00:33] hehe, "privacy" [00:33] Gee, greg-g uses Diaspora. [00:34] rarely/barely [00:34] I just logged back in there. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [00:52] Hm, I'm starting to get into natty [00:53] my problems on my big laptop are solved or worked around. the keyboard shortcuts are starting to grown on me [00:53] now if only they would release nvidia-96 drivers i could be a happy boy [00:54] brousch: Yeah, same here [00:54] still a few rough edges, but I'm liking it overall [00:54] working well for my son on the eeepc too [01:01] coolio [01:01] hrmm am i still here? [01:03] jjesse: sort of [01:03] rick_h_: do you run your html through a validator. [01:04] jrwren: nope [01:04] I'm bad [01:05] * rick_h_ loads up http://rick.bmark.us in the validator [01:08] nice, caught me in some wrong doing [01:18] hm, anyone know how i add a bash script to the launcher? [01:52] rick_h_: did you see my late post w what the problem was? [02:09] slestak_netbook: they're busy with a big ubuntu-themed linux meeting in detroit [02:09] ahh [02:09] how are you man [02:09] excellent [02:09] i'm using natty tonight [02:09] im not going to make it tomorrow. i am so broke till payday [02:09] rick_h_ is my barometer for sane web programming [02:10] jrwren: im a web noob, so if its possible to do it wrong, i will stumble into it [02:11] slestak_netbook: i can buy you a $2 coffee [02:12] i'll try. i kinda committed to take kids to kdl too so i maybe should make next one [02:12] books due [02:12] up to you [02:12] is kdl open that late? [02:12] hey, with virtualenvwrapper, isnt there a keybinding to cd into your project dir? [02:13] good point [02:13] if there is not, there should be [02:14] i haven't used the wrapper [02:14] the wrapper is nice, you can just say workon projname [02:14] and it activates projname [02:16] ahh, here it is echo 'cd $VIRTUAL_ENV' >> $WORKON_HOME/postactivate [02:17] dhellman rocks [02:43] ug, found it. i had to create my own .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications , drag it to the launcher, and then copy the icon to /usr/share/pixmaps/ [03:04] what were you trying to do? [03:14] add an icon to launch a script from unity's launcher [03:15] i need to start aptana from a bash script to work around menu issues, so i needed to add the script to the launcher instead of the regular aptana program [03:16] bedtime [12:19] g'morn [12:47] morning [12:47] yepyep [12:47] have a mug hangover? [13:01] yea, sleepy [13:01] I'm old, staying up until midnight is bad for me [13:01] ditto [13:02] and CHC tonight is a back to back later [13:02] going to be a tough thursday mornig for rick_h_ [13:03] yea, productivity will be dropping lol [13:05] midnight? that's a good meeting! [13:06] well, that's post meeting dinner + drive home + getting ready for bed [13:07] i love the meetings where you stop talking for a minue, look at the clock, and it's 10pm [13:21] heh [13:21] now I'm glad I didn't go out. That's way past my bedtime [13:21] around 8:30 I was really wishing I'd gone. :-p [13:23] are you saying it wasn't worth 1 late night? [13:25] naw it was good stuff, many jokes to be made, many questions/opinions to gather [13:25] greg-g talking about his tour de greg was good stuff :) [13:27] :) [13:27] dinner was good convo, definitely. And the presentations I think went well [13:28] yea, I think we filled and showed some good stuff [13:28] sounded like snap-l's unity stuff went over well [13:28] definitly think it might be good for the locos to help 'demo'/hands on the unity changes [13:29] not a bad idea [13:29] seems some people run away from that first hit of "what is this..." [13:29] but once they get over it start to warm up...see snap-l himself [13:29] snap-l: dude, you should screencast that stuff [13:29] ! [13:29] "Coping with Unity, session 1: the dock" [13:29] yes [13:30] "session 2: wtf do you mean I have 'lenses'"? [13:30] You mean, not everybody in the world hates Unity? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That's not what the blogs all say.... [13:30] oh, I need session 2 [13:31] wake up snap-l! we're creating work for you [13:31] lol [13:37] the nerve of some people... sleeping through their work assignments. [13:37] snap-l: rick_h_ July 16 [13:38] Hey there, Mr Ubuntu-US-FL.... ;-) [13:39] jcastro: ah, good to konw [13:40] ah, I was a week off [13:41] ooh, it's a woot-off today [13:41] * greg-g gets the woot off song in his head [13:41] nearly all of my issues with unity have been worked around, fixed, or i've learned the unity-way of doing it [13:54] Hey, it's a compiz update. [13:56] snap-l: have you seen the jono version of the free software song? [13:57] http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/ [14:01] Just downloaded it [14:01] Haven't heard it yet. [14:01] not bad [14:02] good music, not my favorite vocals [14:02] sounds too much like modern hetfield vocals [14:05] OK, I think I managed to goof up my system. [14:05] (logged in remotely via ssh) [14:06] your nappy box? [14:06] so, will be rebooting. :) [14:06] Yeah, I stopped and restarted gdm [14:06] and now I can't log in. ;) [14:06] so, brb. [14:12] And we're back. [14:42] no we aren't [14:52] man I had advertising [14:52] that link jcastro is just evil [14:56] rick_h_: Where's this link? [14:57] * snap-l really needs to stop subscribing to blabbermouths on twitter / identi.ca [14:57] http://goo.gl/egcLc [14:57] Ah, I see it now [14:57] Dude, this is what adblock was invented for [15:02] yea, since going to chrome I've not gone back to adblock [15:02] I kind of wanted to try to be a good netizen [15:03] jcastro: so FF question, how are you guys handling the uptick in the FF release schedule? [15:04] just going to skip releases of FF and going with whatever is out at time of release? [15:06] bubble is here! http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/pandora-opens-at-20-per-share-with-a-market-cap-of-3-2-billion/ [15:06] key words "yet to make a profit" [15:06] shit shit shit shit shit: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTU3MA [15:06] rick_h_: everyone will go FF5 at the same time [15:06] Now we'll never get cool Twitter clients. [15:06] snap-l: heh, same thing I thought [15:07] rick_h_: and from then on we'll just follow the same FF release for everything, back to the LTSes too [15:08] jcastro: ah cool that's what I was wondering [15:08] if it'd get updated mid-cycle if FF releases [15:08] right [15:08] we actually started doing that with FF4 [15:08] seems that getting updates to old versions will start to get hard as they get 2-3-4 vversions ahead [15:08] but we upgrade to 4 only when MoCo kills 3.6 [15:08] and they haven't quite yet. [15:08] cool, that's what I like to hear (as a web dev) [15:09] but starting with 5 they're going to go more brutal like chrome [15:09] jcastro: I don't think they've quite figured out how to kill 3.6 yet. [15:09] yea, I know 5 is coming in july [15:09] so like, we'll be as aggressive as they are. [15:09] awesome! [15:09] good to hear [15:09] snap-l: well they still support it [15:09] Right, that's what I'm saying [15:09] what they're changing is saying "nope, no more version -1 support" [15:09] since the 3.x series was pretty successful [15:09] I don't know how [15:10] even FF4 is painful here [15:10] it must be the linux versions [15:10] because people seem to love it and say it's all super fast [15:10] but I've got a pretty bare FF4 that I just hate tring to use [15:10] hangs, launches in forever, ugh [15:11] jcastro: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/web-roundups/50-killer-chromebook-apps/ [15:11] more web living [15:12] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/liglcienpnkhdajdfmnpbgmpjglonipe# seems nice [15:12] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/edebbhkhcaafmolanelponjjanocpacd# is handy as well [15:13] ooh, looking [15:13] I find FF4 to be much better, but the launch time is still not as quick as chrome [15:13] oddly enough it's on android where FF is quite nice [15:18] Oh, I like the timer. [15:19] yea, that's handy. Was doing some timer stuff when testing the node.js url processor to check urls/s [15:19] and I like that it shows in the tab up top as well [15:19] jcastro: agreed. [15:19] I still prefer FF for some strange reason. [15:35] I'm still primarily a FF user [15:35] jcastro: I finally joined your little party. [15:35] yeah ROCK out [15:44] Too mellow. :) [15:56] i use both now that google messed with their multiple account switching crap [15:57] ? [15:57] i have google apps for work and gmail for home. it used to be easy to have each account open in a seperate chrome window [15:58] recently google changed it so they both login the same way so only one works at a time [15:58] so i open work in FF and gmail in chrome [15:58] they have a half-assed switching thing, but that is stupid [15:58] jcastro: I'm not sure if I'm sharing tracks, or poisoning the well. ;) [15:58] and sometimes i can get them both in chrome, but only about half the time [16:23] what is that pdf hosting site that uses flash? [16:23] scribd [16:23] thats it! [16:23] thanks [16:23] I have it tattooed in my brain with rage. [16:23] You're not going to put your slides on there? [16:24] yeah, I have the rage part, but I think my mind block out the name [16:24] hellz no [16:24] Thank you. [16:59] why all the hate? [17:00] Wolfger: Because it sucks [17:00] scribd eats baby monkeys and poops radioactive waste [17:00] It sucks with the force of a thousand black holes [17:00] It sucks so hard, even the suck can't escape the gravitational pull of suck [17:01] Making people have to upload a file so they can download a file is suck [17:01] Locking down the reader so you have to use flash is sucl [17:07] we (Open.Michigan) were considering uploading some docs to scribd, I was vehemently against it. "We have servers, we can host effing pdfs, why do we need scribd?" [17:08] use archive.org [17:10] <3 open source...forking github and making changes so damn useful [17:11] greg-g: Exactly [17:14] I'm a fan of using the embeddable google docs viewer for PDFs [17:14] +1 [17:14] I actually really like the chrome pdf viewing [17:14] you still host the PDF on your site, but it provides a nice inline render [17:14] I don't think I ahve a pdf reader installed currently tbh [17:15] that thing that jrwren and I retweeted looks nice, could be the base of a great web-based pdf reader [17:16] oh, sweet [17:16] yeah, I get excited about that kind of stuff, I'm weird [17:18] the docs viewer renders the pdf as images, but still manages to hide selectable text in there somehow [17:18] so it kind of cheats, but it works well [17:19] yeah, that is killer. OCR behind an image [17:19] I think I've found my new calling... acting as radio station for jcastro [17:19] ;) [17:23] yeah! [17:26] * snap-l is filling up the outloud.fm room with CC music. ;) [17:26] I have to log in using twitter or facebook? [17:27] how can I join with you guys?!?!?! [17:27] Yeah, I held my nose. [17:27] snap-l sold out! [17:27] what room? [17:28] http://outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars [17:30] this is. amazing. [17:30] Yes, yes it is. [17:31] I'm starting to consider making an icecast station [17:32] save for my upload bandwidth sucks [17:32] damn no ogg support [17:33] they're working on it [17:34] so, what's the theme here? [17:34] in UbuntuAllstars [17:35] snap-l: you logged into outloud.fm ? [17:35] greg-g: free for all I guess [17:36] we've been going through moods depending on what the guy in front of you plays [17:39] jrwren: yes, yes I did [17:39] <- shameface. [17:48] any RT <3 appreciated: https://twitter.com/#!/BookieBmarks/status/81040163366645760 [17:54] jrwren: that humpty dance recap is hilarious [18:11] rick_h_, so, the person i asked regarding "how do i buy an ubuntu server" said "HP in my mind" [18:11] smoser: ok, I've heard that as well [18:11] just disappointed I couldn't price/build on their site [18:11] i do not recal if you have issues finding exactly what on the hp site was "supported' or not [18:11] ah. [18:11] jcastro: quit slacking and queue up some songs :) [18:11] but good to know I should go ahead and put the extra work into contacting for a quote [18:14] rick_h_, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/HP/servers [18:14] http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-4091408.html [18:14] nice, ty [18:15] yea, that's the model I was checking out [18:16] HILARIOUS [18:16] its super funny day today. [18:16] humpty dance [18:16] and Y! Question about techno [18:16] and [18:16] oh actually no, these are 1u versions [18:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFuyE_VBeO8&feature=share [18:16] dell ships servers with red hat or drdos [18:17] my 3 servers are dell over the last 10 years and i've not had any problems [18:18] yea, Jim runs dells for his pgsql server as well [18:18] but heard a lot of good about HP boxes lately, but you can't build/order online so ugh [18:18] and system76 has a nice box [18:19] oh well, have time yet before I have to bring it up to the wife [18:19] for home? [18:19] you need a server at home? [18:19] for home build a nice desktop [18:19] call it a server. [18:19] i use a crusty old laptop with a broken screen [18:19] once I get bookie multi user going, I might look at a big box for it end of year, next year [18:20] my colo box now won't hold up to web serving, background processing, and db load [18:20] it's 4yr old + [18:20] EC2? [18:20] no, disk throughput isn't good enough imo for a good postgres install [18:20] I might have ec2 web front ends, and I'll definitely use it for the readable parsing back end scripts [18:20] but what about your bandwidth? [18:20] but not for the main site [18:21] we'll see [18:21] I'll run the alpha and start on the current colo box [18:21] but trying to setup some goals/things to work towards [18:22] server hardware pron :) [18:22] ug, i hate hardware [18:23] _1 [18:23] yea, but trying to scale a db on EC2 isn't fun from what I can tell [18:23] people doing crap like raid'ing 6+ EBS volumes to get throughput on there [18:23] you don't. [18:23] you design apps to run on EC2 [18:23] that don't use relational DB [18:23] http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2009/08/06/ec2ebs-single-and-raid-volumes-io-bencmark/ [18:24] right, but that's the fun of bookie, it's meant to work with sqlite in a single user install [18:24] yet I want to grow things to be able to run a large multi-user install with tons of links/content I can build cool 'big data' services/tools on [18:25] doesn't amazon have a DB thing? [18:25] http://aws.amazon.com/rds/ [18:25] yea, mysql only [18:26] oracle [18:26] lol, oh got me there [18:26] or oracle [18:27] who all is going to pyohio? [18:27] greg-g! [18:28] really? [18:28] he's not aware of it yet, but we're kidnapping him [18:28] excellent [18:42] i'm gonna have to beat some commitments out of grpuggers on monday [18:42] * greg-g hides [18:42] it looks like the holiday inn is full up [18:43] http://vimeo.com/25023898 kind of cool [18:43] loud music in there work warning [18:43] Pandora is worth 4.2 billion according to the IPO, wholly bubble [18:43] yea, gotta love it... *sigh* [18:43] crazy [18:43] who's next? I know there were some more coming [18:44] FB [18:44] probably worth the US national debt [18:44] binbrain: wasn't there a good post about how pandora actaully loses more money the more users they have? [18:44] don't get me wrong, <3 pandora and I am a paying member [18:44] didn't read it, but it would make sense [18:44] but no way they're a $B company [18:44] sucker. you can listen for free! [18:45] yea, but goold ole "if I give them money maybe they won't go away" [18:45] and no ads...did I mention I hate the world we live in with ads? [18:45] charge me a small fee kthx [18:45] snap-l is my dj [18:45] My wife is already paying member, I think I will be soon, they are getting more aggressive with there ads [18:45] including interrupting in the middle of songs [18:45] binbrain: my wife is hinting at it too [18:45] ouch [18:46] yea, I've got that grace internet radio and my wife and I love pandora on it [18:46] parties, friends over playing cards, hanging out with the boy, nice to have some music background [18:46] my boy has his own computer. he is our dj at home [18:47] which might explain why my wife walks around with headphones most of the time ... [18:48] lol [18:49] i should spam the outloud room with his music [18:50] http://vimeo.com/12112529 ok that is just awesome [18:51] damn I wish I was artistic sometimes [18:51] you make the platforms the artists can distribute through [18:52] but i know what you mean [18:54] OK, have to say that outloud.fm was awesome [18:55] indeed, I'm just getting ready for a call, so had to dip out [18:55] Yeah, me too [18:55] yeah, i got on just as i hit phone duty [18:57] PyOhio hotel is booked? [18:57] Hmm. [18:57] one of them, others seem ok [18:57] what did I see? they only have something like 5 rooms, but the price keeps going or something [18:57] or was that the blackwell [18:58] Oh well... not like it's a Perl conference or anything cool ;-) [18:58] i think the blackwell is the only walkable one. others need busses or driving [18:58] yea, <3 blackwell once you get past some light sticker shock [18:58] at least for breakfast [18:59] i have started skipping breakfast [18:59] Some day I will plunge into Python, and then I will have to go experience the awesomeness. [18:59] Wolfger: by the time you get to python the world will have moved on [18:59] javascript is the next hotness [18:59] brousch: likely so [18:59] naw, you need both [18:59] for now you do [19:00] I'm going to have to buy Jono some drum sounds for Christmas [19:00] my latest code (from the bookie weekly report) is part node.js/javascript and part python [19:00] that snare sound he has sounds like a bossanova rim shot [19:00] and O'Reilly says we can't live without Javascript now. They wouldn't lie just to sell books, would they? [19:00] javascript is in everything [19:00] bah, they sell books all over [19:00] but yea, hard to escape it these days in a lot of app worlds [19:00] even your desktop if you run win8 or gnome3 [19:00] Oh no, you got Javascript all over me [19:01] money shot! [19:02] My new TV runs javascript [19:02] that's how you make apps for it [19:02] I was pretty excited when I found out [19:02] Blazeix: yea, I was going to ask what tv that was [19:02] see, it's even in your tv [19:02] I wasn't sure if that was part of your work project or just for fun [19:02] Better get the 409 [19:02] .... javascript in a TV? [19:02] maybe even the Bissell [19:02] Blazeix: CHC? [19:02] cross-platform mobile apps? javascript [19:03] I might seriously get a pre3 when it comes out later this year [19:03] just for fun. samsung un46d7000 [19:03] dev for that thing is just too good [19:03] I'll be at CHC tonight [19:03] oh, one of the nice new fancy ones [19:03] rick_h_: have you tried phonegap? it's nice [19:03] 3g right? [19:03] it looks like all the new samsung tvs have javascript/html5 apps [19:04] brousch: no, it's on my todo to test out what it would take to get bookie's mobile into there [19:04] and see how performance compares [19:04] but not there yet [19:04] Yo Dawg, I got your Javascript in your TV so you can Javascript while you TV. [19:04] woot woot [19:05] it's really simple. you just make a webapp and it offers you some native access through simple APIs [19:06] brousch: yea, I'd have to see how much work there is to port/move things over [19:06] right now the mobile site is one page of html and 4 js libraries of apis/jquery/etc [19:07] but the html comes from a genshi template or something [19:07] yea, mako template, but it's one file. nothing too dynamic in the page load [19:07]