[00:20] <snap-l> Hello there
[00:24] <rick_h_> party
[00:25] <brousch> found a work around for the Aptana Pydev issue. it basically disables the global menu thing before starting it up
[00:25] <brousch> are you guys representin' yet?
[00:26] <rick_h_> yea, jcastro and snap-l and greg-g went
[00:26] <rick_h_> rocking the house :)
[00:26] <greg-g> w00t!
[00:26] <greg-g> Gib is recording it
[00:27] <brousch> he will upload it somewhere afterwards?
[00:28] <brousch> make sure you send the link out over the ubuntu-michigan mailing list ;)
[00:28] <greg-g> I assume he is?
[00:29] <greg-g> oh, definitely, and a blog post, and a tweet/dent, and a... uhhh, an IM?
[00:29] <brousch> post it to the ubuntu michigan facebook page
[00:29] <brousch> i think snap-l
[00:29] <brousch> is the curator
[00:30] <greg-g> oh, I forgot about that
[00:30] <brousch> oooh, we could put it on diaspora!
[00:33] <greg-g> https://joindiaspora.com/status_messages/289156
[00:33] <rick_h_> You need to sign in or sign up before continuing.
[00:33] <rick_h_> :(
[00:33] <rick_h_> open I see :P
[00:33] <greg-g> hehe, "privacy"
[00:33] <snap-l> Gee, greg-g uses Diaspora.
[00:34] <greg-g> rarely/barely
[00:34] <snap-l> I just logged back in there.
[00:52] <brousch> Hm, I'm starting to get into natty
[00:53] <brousch> my problems on my big laptop are solved or worked around. the keyboard shortcuts are starting to grown on me
[00:53] <brousch> now if only they would release nvidia-96 drivers i could be a happy boy
[00:54] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, same here
[00:54] <snap-l> still a few rough edges, but I'm liking it overall
[00:54] <brousch> working well for my son on the eeepc too
[01:01] <rick_h_> coolio
[01:01] <jjesse> hrmm am i still here?
[01:03] <brousch> jjesse: sort of
[01:03] <jrwren> rick_h_: do you run your html through a validator.
[01:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: nope
[01:04] <rick_h_> I'm bad
[01:05]  * rick_h_ loads up http://rick.bmark.us in the validator
[01:08] <rick_h_> nice, caught me in some wrong doing
[01:18] <brousch> hm, anyone know how i add a bash script to the launcher?
[01:52] <slestak_netbook> rick_h_: did you see my late post w what the problem was?
[02:09] <brousch> slestak_netbook: they're busy with a big ubuntu-themed linux meeting in detroit
[02:09] <slestak_netbook> ahh
[02:09] <slestak_netbook> how are you man
[02:09] <brousch> excellent
[02:09] <brousch> i'm using natty tonight
[02:09] <slestak_netbook> im not going to make it tomorrow.  i am so broke till payday
[02:09] <jrwren> rick_h_ is my barometer for sane web programming
[02:10] <slestak_netbook> jrwren: im a web noob, so if its possible to do it wrong, i will stumble into it
[02:11] <brousch> slestak_netbook: i can buy you a $2 coffee
[02:12] <slestak_netbook> i'll try.  i kinda committed to take kids to kdl too so i maybe should make next one
[02:12] <slestak_netbook> books due
[02:12] <brousch> up to you
[02:12] <brousch> is kdl open that late?
[02:12] <slestak_netbook> hey, with virtualenvwrapper, isnt there a keybinding to cd into your project dir?
[02:13] <slestak_netbook> good point
[02:13] <slestak_netbook> if there is not, there should be
[02:14] <brousch> i haven't used the wrapper
[02:14] <slestak_netbook> the wrapper is nice, you can just say workon projname
[02:14] <slestak_netbook> and it activates projname
[02:16] <slestak_netbook> ahh, here it is  echo 'cd $VIRTUAL_ENV' >> $WORKON_HOME/postactivate
[02:17] <slestak_netbook> dhellman rocks
[02:43] <brousch> ug, found it. i had to create my own .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications , drag it to the launcher, and then copy the icon to /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:04] <slestak_netbook> what were you trying to do?
[03:14] <brousch> add an icon to launch a script from unity's launcher
[03:15] <brousch> i need to start aptana from a bash script to work around menu issues, so i needed to add the script to the launcher instead of the regular aptana program
[03:16] <brousch> bedtime
[12:19] <greg-g> g'morn
[12:47] <rick_h_> morning
[12:47] <brousch> yepyep
[12:47] <brousch> have a mug hangover?
[13:01] <rick_h_> yea, sleepy
[13:01] <rick_h_> I'm old, staying up until midnight is bad for me
[13:01] <greg-g> ditto
[13:02] <rick_h_> and CHC tonight is a back to back later
[13:02] <greg-g> going to be a tough thursday mornig for rick_h_
[13:03] <rick_h_> yea, productivity will be dropping lol
[13:05] <brousch> midnight? that's a good meeting!
[13:06] <rick_h_> well, that's post meeting dinner + drive home + getting ready for bed
[13:07] <brousch> i love the meetings where you stop talking for a minue, look at the clock, and it's 10pm
[13:21] <Wolfger> heh
[13:21] <Wolfger> now I'm glad I didn't go out. That's way past my bedtime
[13:21] <Wolfger> around 8:30 I was really wishing I'd gone. :-p
[13:23] <brousch> are you saying it wasn't worth 1 late night?
[13:25] <rick_h_> naw it was good stuff, many jokes to be made, many questions/opinions to gather
[13:25] <rick_h_> greg-g talking about his tour de greg was good stuff :)
[13:27] <greg-g> :)
[13:27] <greg-g> dinner was good convo, definitely. And the presentations I think went well
[13:28] <rick_h_> yea, I think we filled and showed some good stuff
[13:28] <rick_h_> sounded like snap-l's unity stuff went over well
[13:28] <rick_h_> definitly think it might be good for the locos to help 'demo'/hands on the unity changes
[13:29] <greg-g> not a bad idea
[13:29] <rick_h_> seems some people run away from that first hit of "what is this..."
[13:29] <rick_h_> but once they get over it start to warm up...see snap-l himself
[13:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: dude, you should screencast that stuff
[13:29] <greg-g> !
[13:29] <rick_h_> "Coping with Unity, session 1: the dock"
[13:29] <greg-g> yes
[13:30] <rick_h_> "session 2: wtf do you mean I have 'lenses'"?
[13:30] <Wolfger> You mean, not everybody in the world hates Unity? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That's not what the blogs all say....
[13:30] <Wolfger> oh, I need session 2
[13:31] <rick_h_> wake up snap-l! we're creating work for you
[13:31] <rick_h_> lol
[13:37] <Wolfger> the nerve of some people... sleeping through their work assignments.
[13:37] <jcastro> snap-l: rick_h_ July 16
[13:38] <Wolfger> Hey there, Mr Ubuntu-US-FL.... ;-)
[13:39] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah, good to konw
[13:40] <greg-g> ah, I was a week off
[13:41] <Wolfger> ooh, it's a woot-off today
[13:41]  * greg-g gets the woot off song in his head
[13:41] <brousch> nearly all of my issues with unity have been worked around, fixed, or i've learned the unity-way of doing it
[13:54] <snap-l> Hey, it's a compiz update.
[13:56] <brousch> snap-l: have you seen the jono version of the free software song?
[13:57] <brousch> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/
[14:01] <snap-l> Just downloaded it
[14:01] <snap-l> Haven't heard it yet.
[14:01] <brousch> not bad
[14:02] <brousch> good music, not my favorite vocals
[14:02] <brousch> sounds too much like modern hetfield vocals
[14:05] <snap-l> OK, I think I managed to goof up my system.
[14:05] <snap-l> (logged in remotely via ssh)
[14:06] <brousch> your nappy box?
[14:06] <snap-l> so, will be rebooting. :)
[14:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I stopped and restarted gdm
[14:06] <snap-l> and now I can't log in. ;)
[14:06] <snap-l> so, brb.
[14:12] <snap-l> And we're back.
[14:42] <jjesse> no we aren't
[14:52] <rick_h_> man I had advertising
[14:52] <rick_h_> that link jcastro is just evil
[14:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: Where's this link?
[14:57]  * snap-l really needs to stop subscribing to blabbermouths on twitter / identi.ca
[14:57] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/egcLc
[14:57] <snap-l> Ah, I see it now
[14:57] <snap-l> Dude, this is what adblock was invented for
[15:02] <rick_h_> yea, since going to chrome I've not gone back to adblock
[15:02] <rick_h_> I kind of wanted to try to be a good netizen
[15:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: so FF question, how are you guys handling the uptick in the FF release schedule?
[15:04] <rick_h_> just going to skip releases of FF and going with whatever is out at time of release?
[15:06] <rick_h_> bubble is here! http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/pandora-opens-at-20-per-share-with-a-market-cap-of-3-2-billion/
[15:06] <rick_h_> key words "yet to make a profit"
[15:06] <snap-l> shit shit shit shit shit: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTU3MA
[15:06] <jcastro> rick_h_: everyone will go FF5 at the same time
[15:06] <snap-l> Now we'll never get cool Twitter clients.
[15:06] <jcastro> snap-l: heh, same thing I thought
[15:07] <jcastro> rick_h_: and from then on we'll just follow the same FF release for everything, back to the LTSes too
[15:08] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah cool that's what I was wondering
[15:08] <rick_h_> if it'd get updated mid-cycle if FF releases
[15:08] <jcastro> right
[15:08] <jcastro> we actually started doing that with FF4
[15:08] <rick_h_> seems that getting updates to old versions will start to get hard as they get 2-3-4 vversions ahead
[15:08] <jcastro> but we upgrade to 4 only when MoCo kills 3.6
[15:08] <jcastro> and they haven't quite yet.
[15:08] <rick_h_> cool, that's what I like to hear (as a web dev)
[15:09] <jcastro> but starting with 5 they're going to go more brutal like chrome
[15:09] <snap-l> jcastro: I don't think they've quite figured out how to kill 3.6 yet.
[15:09] <rick_h_> yea, I know 5 is coming in july
[15:09] <jcastro> so like, we'll be as aggressive as they are.
[15:09] <rick_h_> awesome!
[15:09] <rick_h_> good to hear
[15:09] <jcastro> snap-l: well they still support it
[15:09] <snap-l> Right, that's what I'm saying
[15:09] <jcastro> what they're changing is saying "nope, no more version -1 support"
[15:09] <snap-l> since the 3.x series was pretty successful
[15:09] <rick_h_> I don't know how
[15:10] <rick_h_> even FF4 is painful here
[15:10] <rick_h_> it must be the linux versions
[15:10] <rick_h_> because people seem to love it and say it's all super fast
[15:10] <rick_h_> but I've got a pretty bare FF4 that I just hate tring to use
[15:10] <rick_h_> hangs, launches in forever, ugh
[15:11] <rick_h_> jcastro: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/web-roundups/50-killer-chromebook-apps/
[15:11] <rick_h_> more web living
[15:12] <rick_h_> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/liglcienpnkhdajdfmnpbgmpjglonipe# seems nice
[15:12] <rick_h_> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/edebbhkhcaafmolanelponjjanocpacd# is handy as well
[15:13] <jcastro> ooh, looking
[15:13] <jcastro> I find FF4 to be much better, but the launch time is still not as quick as chrome
[15:13] <jcastro> oddly enough it's on android where FF is quite nice
[15:18] <snap-l> Oh, I like the timer.
[15:19] <rick_h_> yea, that's handy. Was doing some timer stuff when testing the node.js url processor to check urls/s
[15:19] <rick_h_> and I like that it shows in the tab up top as well
[15:19] <jrwren> jcastro: agreed.
[15:19] <jrwren> I still prefer FF for some strange reason.
[15:35] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still primarily a FF user
[15:35] <snap-l> jcastro: I finally joined your little party.
[15:35] <jcastro> yeah ROCK out
[15:44] <snap-l> Too mellow. :)
[15:56] <brousch> i use both now that google messed with their multiple account switching crap
[15:57] <snap-l> ?
[15:57] <brousch> i have google apps for work and gmail for home. it used to be easy to have each account open in a seperate chrome window
[15:58] <brousch> recently google changed it so they both login the same way so only one works at a time
[15:58] <brousch> so i open work in FF and gmail in chrome
[15:58] <brousch> they have a half-assed switching thing, but that is stupid
[15:58] <snap-l> jcastro: I'm not sure if I'm sharing tracks, or poisoning the well. ;)
[15:58] <brousch> and sometimes i can get them both in chrome, but only about half the time
[16:23] <greg-g> what is that pdf hosting site that uses flash?
[16:23] <snap-l> scribd
[16:23] <greg-g> thats it!
[16:23] <greg-g> thanks
[16:23] <snap-l> I have it tattooed in my brain with rage.
[16:23] <snap-l> You're not going to put your slides on there?
[16:24] <greg-g> yeah, I have the rage part, but I think my mind block out the name
[16:24] <greg-g> hellz no
[16:24] <snap-l> Thank you.
[16:59] <Wolfger> why all the hate?
[17:00] <snap-l> Wolfger: Because it sucks
[17:00] <brousch> scribd eats baby monkeys and poops radioactive waste
[17:00] <snap-l> It sucks with the force of a thousand black holes
[17:00] <snap-l> It sucks so hard, even the suck can't escape the gravitational pull of suck
[17:01] <snap-l> Making people have to upload a file so they can download a file is suck
[17:01] <snap-l> Locking down the reader so you have to use flash is sucl
[17:07] <greg-g> we (Open.Michigan) were considering uploading some docs to scribd, I was vehemently against it. "We have servers, we can host effing pdfs, why do we need scribd?"
[17:08] <brousch> use archive.org
[17:10] <rick_h_> <3 open source...forking github and making changes so damn useful
[17:11] <snap-l> greg-g: Exactly
[17:14] <Blazeix> I'm a fan of using the embeddable google docs viewer for PDFs
[17:14] <rick_h_> +1
[17:14] <rick_h_> I actually really like the chrome pdf viewing
[17:14] <Blazeix> you still host the PDF on your site, but it provides a nice inline render
[17:14] <rick_h_> I don't think I ahve a pdf reader installed currently tbh
[17:15] <greg-g> that thing that jrwren and I retweeted looks nice, could be the base of a great web-based pdf reader
[17:16] <Blazeix> oh, sweet
[17:16] <greg-g> yeah, I get excited about that kind of stuff, I'm weird
[17:18] <Blazeix> the docs viewer renders the pdf as images, but still manages to hide selectable text in there somehow
[17:18] <Blazeix> so it kind of cheats, but it works well
[17:19] <greg-g> yeah, that is killer. OCR behind an image
[17:19] <snap-l> I think I've found my new calling... acting as radio station for jcastro
[17:19] <snap-l> ;)
[17:23] <jcastro> yeah!
[17:26]  * snap-l is filling up the outloud.fm room with CC music. ;)
[17:26] <greg-g> I have to log in using twitter or facebook?
[17:27] <greg-g> how can I join with you guys?!?!?!
[17:27] <snap-l> Yeah, I held my nose.
[17:27] <Wolfger> snap-l sold out!
[17:27] <greg-g> what room?
[17:28] <snap-l> http://outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars
[17:30] <greg-g> this is. amazing.
[17:30] <snap-l> Yes, yes it is.
[17:31] <snap-l> I'm starting to consider making an icecast station
[17:32] <snap-l> save for my upload bandwidth sucks
[17:32] <greg-g> damn no ogg support
[17:33] <jcastro> they're working  on it
[17:34] <greg-g> so, what's the theme here?
[17:34] <greg-g> in UbuntuAllstars
[17:35] <jrwren> snap-l: you logged into outloud.fm ?
[17:35] <jcastro> greg-g: free for all I guess
[17:36] <jcastro> we've been going through moods depending on what the guy in front of you plays
[17:39] <snap-l> jrwren: yes, yes I did
[17:39] <snap-l> <- shameface.
[17:48] <rick_h_> any RT <3 appreciated: https://twitter.com/#!/BookieBmarks/status/81040163366645760
[17:54] <binbrain> jrwren: that humpty dance recap is hilarious
[18:11] <smoser> rick_h_, so, the person i asked regarding "how do i buy an ubuntu server" said "HP in my mind"
[18:11] <rick_h_> smoser: ok, I've heard that as well
[18:11] <rick_h_> just disappointed I couldn't price/build on their site
[18:11] <smoser> i do not recal if you have issues finding exactly what on the hp site was "supported' or not
[18:11] <smoser> ah.
[18:11] <greg-g> jcastro: quit slacking and queue up some songs :)
[18:11] <rick_h_> but good to know I should go ahead and put the extra work into contacting for a quote
[18:14] <smoser> rick_h_, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/HP/servers
[18:14] <smoser> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-4091408.html
[18:14] <rick_h_> nice, ty
[18:15] <rick_h_> yea, that's the model I was checking out
[18:16] <jrwren> HILARIOUS
[18:16] <jrwren> its super funny day today.
[18:16] <jrwren> humpty dance
[18:16] <jrwren> and Y! Question about techno
[18:16] <jrwren> and
[18:16] <rick_h_> oh actually no, these are 1u versions
[18:16] <jrwren> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFuyE_VBeO8&feature=share
[18:16] <brousch> dell ships servers with red hat or drdos
[18:17] <brousch> my 3 servers are dell over the last 10 years and i've not had any problems
[18:18] <rick_h_> yea, Jim runs dells for his pgsql server as well
[18:18] <rick_h_> but heard a lot of good about HP boxes lately, but you can't build/order online so ugh
[18:18] <rick_h_> and system76 has a nice box
[18:19] <rick_h_> oh well, have time yet before I have to bring it up to the wife
[18:19] <jrwren> for home?
[18:19] <brousch> you need a server at home?
[18:19] <jrwren> for home build a nice desktop
[18:19] <jrwren> call it a server.
[18:19] <brousch> i use a crusty old laptop with a broken screen
[18:19] <rick_h_> once I get bookie multi user going, I might look at a big box for it end of year, next year
[18:20] <rick_h_> my colo box now won't hold up to web serving, background processing, and db load
[18:20] <rick_h_> it's 4yr old +
[18:20] <brousch> EC2?
[18:20] <rick_h_> no, disk throughput isn't good enough imo for a good postgres install
[18:20] <rick_h_> I might have ec2 web front ends, and I'll definitely use it for the readable parsing back end scripts
[18:20] <brousch> but what about your bandwidth?
[18:20] <rick_h_> but not for the main site
[18:21] <rick_h_> we'll see
[18:21] <rick_h_> I'll run the alpha and start on the current colo box
[18:21] <rick_h_> but trying to setup some goals/things to work towards
[18:22] <rick_h_> server hardware pron :)
[18:22] <brousch> ug, i hate hardware
[18:23] <jrwren> _1
[18:23] <rick_h_> yea, but trying to scale a db on EC2 isn't fun from what I can tell
[18:23] <rick_h_> people doing crap like raid'ing 6+ EBS volumes to get throughput on there
[18:23] <jrwren> you don't.
[18:23] <jrwren> you design apps to run on EC2
[18:23] <jrwren> that don't use relational DB
[18:23] <rick_h_> http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2009/08/06/ec2ebs-single-and-raid-volumes-io-bencmark/
[18:24] <rick_h_> right, but that's the fun of bookie, it's meant to work with sqlite in a single user install
[18:24] <rick_h_> yet I want to grow things to be able to run a large multi-user install with tons of links/content I can build cool 'big data' services/tools on
[18:25] <brousch> doesn't amazon have a DB thing?
[18:25] <jrwren> http://aws.amazon.com/rds/
[18:25] <rick_h_> yea, mysql only
[18:26] <smoser> oracle
[18:26] <rick_h_> lol, oh got me there
[18:26] <rick_h_> or oracle
[18:27] <brousch> who all is going to pyohio?
[18:27] <rick_h_> greg-g!
[18:28] <brousch> really?
[18:28] <rick_h_> he's not aware of it yet, but we're kidnapping him
[18:28] <brousch> excellent
[18:42] <brousch> i'm gonna have to beat some commitments out of grpuggers on monday
[18:42]  * greg-g hides
[18:42] <brousch> it looks like the holiday inn is full up
[18:43] <rick_h_> http://vimeo.com/25023898 kind of cool
[18:43] <rick_h_> loud music in there work warning
[18:43] <binbrain> Pandora is worth 4.2 billion according to the IPO, wholly bubble
[18:43] <rick_h_> yea, gotta love it... *sigh*
[18:43] <brousch> crazy
[18:43] <rick_h_> who's next? I know there were some more coming
[18:44] <brousch> FB
[18:44] <brousch> probably worth the US national debt
[18:44] <greg-g> binbrain: wasn't there a good post about how pandora actaully loses more money the more users they have?
[18:44] <rick_h_> don't get me wrong, <3 pandora and I am a paying member
[18:44] <binbrain> didn't read it, but it would make sense
[18:44] <rick_h_> but no way they're a $B company
[18:44] <brousch> sucker. you can listen for free!
[18:45] <rick_h_> yea, but goold ole "if I give them money maybe they won't go away"
[18:45] <rick_h_> and no ads...did I mention I hate the world we live in with ads?
[18:45] <rick_h_> charge me a small fee kthx
[18:45] <brousch> snap-l is my dj
[18:45] <binbrain> My wife is already paying member, I think I will be soon, they are getting more aggressive with there ads
[18:45] <binbrain> including interrupting in the middle of songs
[18:45] <brousch> binbrain: my wife is hinting at it too
[18:45] <rick_h_> ouch
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea, I've got that grace internet radio and my wife and I love pandora on it
[18:46] <rick_h_> parties, friends over playing cards, hanging out with the boy, nice to have some music background
[18:46] <brousch> my boy has his own computer. he is our dj at home
[18:47] <brousch> which might explain why my wife walks around with headphones most of the time ...
[18:48] <rick_h_> lol
[18:49] <brousch> i should spam the outloud room with his music
[18:50] <rick_h_> http://vimeo.com/12112529 ok that is just awesome
[18:51] <rick_h_> damn I wish I was artistic sometimes
[18:51] <brousch> you make the platforms the artists can distribute through
[18:52] <brousch> but i know what you mean
[18:54] <snap-l> OK, have to say that outloud.fm was awesome
[18:55] <greg-g> indeed, I'm just getting ready for a call, so had to dip out
[18:55] <snap-l> Yeah, me too
[18:55] <brousch> yeah, i got on just as i hit phone duty
[18:57] <Wolfger> PyOhio hotel is booked?
[18:57] <Wolfger> Hmm.
[18:57] <brousch> one of them, others seem ok
[18:57] <rick_h_> what did I see? they only have something like 5 rooms, but the price keeps going or something
[18:57] <rick_h_> or was that the blackwell
[18:58] <Wolfger> Oh well... not like it's a Perl conference or anything cool ;-)
[18:58] <brousch> i think the blackwell is the only walkable one. others need busses or driving
[18:58] <rick_h_> yea, <3 blackwell once you get past some light sticker shock
[18:58] <rick_h_> at least for breakfast
[18:59] <brousch> i have started skipping breakfast
[18:59] <Wolfger> Some day I will plunge into Python, and then I will have to go experience the awesomeness.
[18:59] <brousch> Wolfger: by the time you get to python the world will have moved on
[18:59] <brousch> javascript is the next hotness
[18:59] <Wolfger> brousch: likely so
[18:59] <rick_h_> naw, you need both
[18:59] <brousch> for now you do
[19:00] <snap-l> I'm going to have to buy Jono some drum sounds for Christmas
[19:00] <rick_h_> my latest code (from the bookie weekly report) is part node.js/javascript and part python
[19:00] <snap-l> that snare sound he has sounds like a bossanova rim shot
[19:00] <Wolfger> and O'Reilly says we can't live without Javascript now. They wouldn't lie just to sell books, would they?
[19:00] <brousch> javascript is in everything
[19:00] <rick_h_> bah, they sell books all over
[19:00] <rick_h_> but yea, hard to escape it these days in a lot of app worlds
[19:00] <brousch> even your desktop if you run win8 or gnome3
[19:00] <snap-l> Oh no, you got Javascript all over me
[19:01] <Wolfger> money shot!
[19:02] <Blazeix> My new TV runs javascript
[19:02] <Blazeix> that's how you make apps for it
[19:02] <Blazeix> I was pretty excited when I found out
[19:02] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, I was going to ask what tv that was
[19:02] <brousch> see, it's even in your tv
[19:02] <rick_h_> I wasn't sure if that was part of your work project or just for fun
[19:02] <snap-l> Better get the 409
[19:02] <Wolfger> .... javascript in a TV?
[19:02] <snap-l> maybe even the Bissell
[19:02] <rick_h_> Blazeix: CHC?
[19:02] <brousch> cross-platform mobile apps? javascript
[19:03] <rick_h_> I might seriously get a pre3 when it comes out later this year
[19:03] <Blazeix> just for fun. samsung un46d7000
[19:03] <rick_h_> dev for that thing is just too good
[19:03] <Blazeix> I'll be at CHC tonight
[19:03] <rick_h_> oh, one of the nice new fancy ones
[19:03] <brousch> rick_h_: have you tried phonegap? it's nice
[19:03] <rick_h_> 3g right?
[19:03] <Blazeix> it looks like all the new samsung tvs have javascript/html5 apps
[19:04] <rick_h_> brousch: no, it's on my todo to test out what it would take to get bookie's mobile into there
[19:04] <rick_h_> and see how performance compares
[19:04] <rick_h_> but not there yet
[19:04] <snap-l> Yo Dawg, I got your Javascript in your TV so you can Javascript while you TV.
[19:04] <rick_h_> woot woot
[19:05] <brousch> it's really simple. you just make a webapp and it offers you some native access through simple APIs
[19:06] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I'd have to see how much work there is to port/move things over
[19:06] <rick_h_> right now the mobile site is one page of html and 4 js libraries of apis/jquery/etc
[19:07] <brousch> but the html comes from a genshi template or something
[19:07] <rick_h_> yea, mako template, but it's one file. nothing too dynamic in the page load
[19:07] <rick_h_> it all comes down via an initial onload api call
[19:08] <rick_h_> anyway, yea I'll peek at that sometime
[19:08] <rick_h_> would be cool to see if the work to build into native pays off for some better performance
[19:08] <rick_h_> and eventually offline potential/etc
[19:08] <brousch> i don't think you'll see a performance increase
[19:09] <brousch> phonegap is just a wrapper around webkit
[19:09] <rick_h_> yea, I'm not sure. Some of it is the jquery slowness which I figured might get a boost
[19:09] <rick_h_> but not sure
[19:09] <brousch> all you'll save is download time
[19:09] <rick_h_> meh, then not worried about that part
[19:10] <Wolfger> Hey, PyOhio is a <30 minute walk from a campground...
[19:10] <brousch> ew
[19:12] <Wolfger> doesn't really look like a campground, though. Looks like an RV park
[19:12] <brousch> rick_h_: does offline even make sense for a bookmark sharing program?
[19:12] <Wolfger> from the Google maps satellite view
[20:00] <snap-l> OK, I just need a little reality check here
[20:00] <snap-l> http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/06/14/oss-contribution-and-consumption
[20:00] <snap-l> This is a survey from the Eclipse Foundation
[20:01] <snap-l> Survey of organizations who employ OSS in some capacity
[20:01] <snap-l> If you're using Eclipse, that's OSS
[20:01] <snap-l> I guess there's people who don't use Eclipse at work
[20:02] <brousch> i use it everywhere possible because it is awesome
[20:02] <snap-l> n/m, maybe I'm just reading something into it that isn't there.
[20:33] <jrwren> what are you talking about?
[20:42] <snap-l> jrwren: Don't mind me.
[20:42] <snap-l> jrwren: I was inferring that some Eclipse developers don't know that they're using OSS
[20:42] <snap-l> but that's not an inference that I can make
[20:45] <jrwren> not all eclipse is OSS too.
[20:45] <jrwren> e.g. FlexBuilder from adobe.
[20:45] <jrwren> and WebSphere Studio from IBM
[20:45] <jrwren> both eclipse... but not OSS
[21:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: what?!  Milosz Tanski has an updated current title: Senior iCloud Software
[21:06] <rick_h_> +Engineer at Apple Inc.
[21:06] <rick_h_> that's kind of crazy
[21:06] <jcastro> hah
[21:07] <jcastro> no wonder he has mad at me for making fun of apple
[21:07] <jcastro> I thought he was still at Facebook
[21:13] <jrwren> senior is the craziest part, lol.
[21:15] <snap-l> For those of us who have been living under a rock, who is Milosz?
[21:16] <jrwren> was a local linux guy.
[21:16] <jrwren> went to OU while jorge worked there.
[21:16] <jrwren> smart guy.
[21:16] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[21:16] <rick_h_> He was an ann arbor-ite with a nice ruski accent that started moving around and working at the big places
[21:16] <rick_h_> I missed the time at facebook I guess
[21:16] <jcastro> http://www.crunchbase.com/person/milosz-tanski
[21:17] <jcastro> oh, forgue just told me he never went to FB, just interviewed there
[21:17] <snap-l> Holy fuck, he has a crunchbase profile? :)
[21:17] <rick_h_> ah ok, yea didn't remember that part
[21:17] <jcastro> http://www.crunchbase.com/person/jorge-castro
[21:17] <jcastro> !!!!!
[21:17] <snap-l> http://www.crunchbase.com/person/jorge-castro
[21:17] <brousch> that says he's polish
[21:17] <snap-l> He work on the Ubuntu Community Team for Canonical Ltd.
[21:18] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I didn't recall where he was actually from
[21:18] <snap-l> He work-a like a man
[21:18] <jcastro> he is polish
[21:18] <brousch> jcastro: nice ingrish in your profile there
[21:18] <snap-l> I changed it
[21:18] <snap-l> "He works as part of the Ubuntu..."
[21:19] <jcastro> I didn't even know I had a profile
[21:19] <rick_h_> I didn't even know wtf crunchbase was
[21:19] <snap-l> jcastro: You famous
[21:19] <snap-l> you work
[21:19] <brousch> i still don't
[21:19] <brousch> you can change other people's profiles?
[21:20] <jcastro> it's like the company/people database for techcrunch
[21:20] <snap-l> Yep. I changed Mark Zuckerberg's to say that he owns the internet's first taco truck
[21:20] <jcastro> it must mean I've graduated to valley-level douchebaggery
[21:20] <snap-l> jcastro: Congratulations?
[21:21] <jcastro> heh
[21:21] <jcastro> snap-l: did you see the thing where Jason Calacanis said blogging is over and stupid people should just stop blogging because there are too many stupid people on the internet
[21:21] <jcastro> it's like, hello, pot, kettle.
[21:22] <snap-l> jcastro: I think Jason Calacanis should shoot off his dick so he stops propagating stupid.
[21:22] <brousch> wow
[21:22] <jrwren> i feel dirty for even knowing who 16:22    snap-l| jcastro: I think Jason Calacanis should shoot off his dick so he stops propagating
[21:22] <snap-l> Well, he has these ideas that start off nice, and then turn into MLM shit.
[21:22] <rick_h_> hold on...I'll fix it " because there are too  many stupid people
[21:22] <rick_h_> "
[21:22] <jrwren> i feel dirty for even knowing who Calacanis is
[21:23] <snap-l> There was a short period where I thought that calacanis was reforming
[21:23] <snap-l> but frankly, he's an idiot that thinks there's brilliance in appropriating other people's ideas.
[21:23] <jcastro> I think what he really wants is for people to stop blogging so they can content farm their garbage on mahalo
[21:24] <snap-l> Again, Mahalo was a neat idea, but turned into a shitpile
[21:25] <snap-l> And his "This week in [douche]" douchebaggery was the final straw.
[21:25] <snap-l> Calacanis and Arrington should just go bowling sometime
[21:25] <snap-l> With C4 bowling balls
[21:26] <jjesse> wow lots of hate
[21:26] <jjesse> i thought he just disappeared, hadn't heard anything from him in a long time
[21:26] <snap-l> He's a grumpy man, like Rupert Murdock
[21:27] <snap-l> Sorry, but that blogging remark really irritates me
[21:28] <snap-l> Also, if blogging is dead, then why does he still have an RSS feed and pictures of his bulldogs?
[21:28] <snap-l> "You have to have a deep understanding to be a blogger," Calacanis said.
[21:29] <jjesse> wow snap-l you have lots of hate :)
[21:29] <snap-l> Apparently jcastro found a sort spot
[21:35] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/06/15/jason-calacanis-stop-pissing-in-the-internet-pool/
[23:53] <greg-g> did anyone take photos last night? rick_h_ snap-l jcastro widox smoser
[23:53] <greg-g> I failed at that
[23:53] <snap-l> I took one photo of you
[23:54] <snap-l> I think gib recorded it, but I'll be damned if I know what he does with them
[23:54] <snap-l> Or, more likely, I shudder to think what might be done with them
[23:56] <brousch> he must post it somewhere
[23:58] <snap-l> I have NFC
[23:59] <greg-g> he said he usually did youtube, but this'll be a bit big for that, so I suggested archive.org