| Kokito | howdy | 04:42 |
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| jussi | astraljava: ping | 11:35 |
| astraljava | jussi: pong, check your email | 13:55 |
| jussi | astraljava: received, thanks | 13:56 |
| astraljava | jussi: That's enough? | 13:57 |
| falktx | hey guys | 14:35 |
| astraljava | Hey there. | 14:35 |
| * abogani waves all | 14:44 | |
| astraljava | hey there Alessio! | 14:48 |
| scott-work | hi falktx | 15:48 |
| scott-work | i need some guidance on how to test the xfce patch | 15:48 |
| scott-work | hi abogani :) | 15:48 |
| scott-work | hi astraljava | 15:48 |
| scott-work | falktx: i have an xubuntu install and installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack which also brought in jackd and other stuff | 15:49 |
| scott-work | i then installed the ubuntustudio-menu so i could see all the stuff in wrong places and then build the menu with the patch which should fix it | 15:49 |
| scott-work | but when i installed the ubuntustudio-menu nothing seemed to change | 15:49 |
| scott-work | before i screw something up (like isntall ubuntustudio-settings or ubuntustudio-look) is there something else i need to do? | 15:50 |
| * scott-work is about to go into another 1 hour meeting :( but i'll be back...in one hour ;) | 15:50 | |
| falktx | scott-work: hm, maybe I forgot something in the patch... ? | 15:50 |
| falktx | scott-work: did you log out and log in back after the update? | 15:51 |
| scott-work | falktx: i didn't build it yet, i only installed the ubuntustudio-menu from the repos | 15:53 |
| scott-work | falktx: i expected to see hydrogen, et al in the wrong submenu category | 15:54 |
| scott-work | basically i wanted to establish a baseline so i understood what the fix was and that it did in fact fix the problem | 15:54 |
| scott-work | sorry if i'm being an idiot and misunderstanding some fundamentally simple issue | 15:55 |
| * scott-work is really gone now for 1 hour | 15:55 | |
| falktx | scott-work: this can't be hard: | 15:56 |
| falktx | apt-get source ubuntustudio-menu | 15:56 |
| falktx | cd ubuntustudio-menu* | 15:56 |
| falktx | patch -p1 < /my/patch | 15:56 |
| falktx | debuild -rfakeroot | 15:56 |
| falktx | then install the deb | 15:56 |
| falktx | if something goes wrong, re-install ubuntustudio-menu form synaptic | 15:57 |
| scott-work | falktx: i think i am not adequately explaing myself | 17:46 |
| scott-work | falktx: i know how to get source, apply patch, and build....i'm before that part | 17:46 |
| scott-work | falktx: i installed the ubuntustudio-menu as it currently is...i wanted to see the appilcations in the wrong places | 17:47 |
| scott-work | but the menu did not appear to be _any_ different than the default xfce menu | 17:47 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: hm? | 17:50 |
| scott-work | falktx_: i was given to understand that if i installed the ubuntustudio-menu in an xfce environment that the menu would be wrong | 17:50 |
| scott-work | applicatiosn would be located incorrectly | 17:51 |
| scott-work | i tried to do that last night in an xubuntu installation....i installed the ubuntustudio-menu | 17:51 |
| scott-work | but the menu did not appear to change from what was installed by default | 17:51 |
| scott-work | is there something that i am missing? | 17:51 |
| falktx_ | I'm getting confuse here too | 17:52 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: the current us-menu works, but items are some items not hidden in the xfce menu | 17:52 |
| falktx_ | errr, bad typing... | 17:53 |
| falktx_ | the current us-menu works, but there are some items not hidden in the xfce menu | 17:53 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: ^ | 17:53 |
| scott-work | right, like say ardour which should show up in the "Multimedia" menu but really should show up under "Audio & Video" | 17:54 |
| scott-work | falktx_: is that correct? | 17:54 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: err, Ardour will show up in the usual multimedia menu | 17:55 |
| scott-work | falktx_: but we don't want it to right? | 17:55 |
| falktx_ | Audio & Video = multimedia ? | 17:55 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: we want some custom apps to go into the audio or video submenu i guess | 17:55 |
| scott-work | no, the xfce menu has a "Multimedia" menu | 17:55 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: I wish you were right here so I can explain this better... | 17:56 |
| scott-work | maybe we should back up a bit further....what is your xfce menu patch suppose fix? | 17:56 |
| scott-work | i thought you said that under xfce the ubuntustudio-menu didn't show applications in the categories that we intended them to be in | 17:57 |
| scott-work | the [exclude] and [include] hacks didn't work under xfce as they did under gnome | 17:57 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: ok, let me try to be as clear as possible | 18:02 |
| falktx_ | 1 - gnome does not always follow the rules (so seems xfce) | 18:02 |
| falktx_ | the current us-menu work, as I see it, modifies the default gnome menu and inserts submenus | 18:02 |
| scott-work | right | 18:03 |
| falktx_ | ^ this is wrong, cause it will be gnome only | 18:03 |
| scott-work | okay | 18:03 |
| falktx_ | (kde may or not work, xfce will not work, other DEs are untested) | 18:03 |
| scott-work | _how_ does xfce not work with ubuntustudio-menu? | 18:03 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: ah, let me explain | 18:04 |
| scott-work | please | 18:04 |
| falktx_ | xfce and kde show the multimedia menu as usual | 18:04 |
| falktx_ | but also show the "audio production" and "video production" introduced by us-menu | 18:04 |
| falktx_ | so far so good | 18:04 |
| scott-work | wait! | 18:05 |
| falktx_ | the problem is that the items inside "audio production" is not removed from the (parent) multimedia menu | 18:05 |
| falktx_ | what? | 18:05 |
| scott-work | that sounds good but i was unable to replicate this last night! | 18:05 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: really? | 18:05 |
| scott-work | can you describe a method that i can see this? | 18:05 |
| scott-work | falktx_: yes, that is what i was trying to explain earlier | 18:05 |
| scott-work | i have a fresh xubuntu natty installation and then installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack | 18:06 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: with the default us-menu you should at least see the "audio/video production" sub-menus in xfce | 18:06 |
| scott-work | after this installed i looked at the menu...sure enough, they appears in the "Multimedia" menu....this is expected | 18:06 |
| falktx_ | yep | 18:06 |
| scott-work | then i installed the ubuntustudio-menu | 18:06 |
| falktx_ | k | 18:06 |
| scott-work | but it didn't appear to add _anything_ | 18:06 |
| scott-work | i did not see any additional submenus | 18:07 |
| scott-work | i was wondering if i was doing something wrong | 18:07 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: did you logoff/rebooted after the install ? | 18:07 |
| falktx_ | (us-menu install) | 18:07 |
| scott-work | no, i did not | 18:07 |
| scott-work | i shall do that tonight though! | 18:07 |
| falktx_ | well, there's your problem! | 18:07 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: after you install any type of custom menus, you'll have to reboot or at least logoff | 18:08 |
| scott-work | see, i was doing something wrong! | 18:08 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: that will show the new "audio/video P", but as described earlier here | 18:08 |
| scott-work | okay, i expect now to see some sort of hybrid menu with parts from both xfce and ubuntustudio | 18:08 |
| scott-work | after that then i'll apply the patch, build the menu again, reinstall it, and then log off/on :) | 18:09 |
| falktx_ | scott-work: the ISO script is doing it's business | 18:34 |
| scott-work | falktx_: outstanding! that is very exciting news | 18:34 |
| falktx_ | I'm still downloading the packages (continuing from yesterday), but I hope to soon make it work for everyone | 18:34 |
| astraljava | Gah! Network's being a bitch! Can't work today at all. Hopefully it's better tomorrow... :( | 18:51 |
| falktx_ | astraljava: network is a bitch to me everyday...! | 18:59 |
| astraljava | Ahh, that explains it, the local cable company is having serious problems. | 19:04 |
| * falktx_ thinks some don't realize how luck they are | 19:06 | |
| holstein | yeah, i think that sometimes | 19:06 |
| astraljava | Well, it's still a far cry when compared to Japan or Korea... | 19:06 |
| holstein | when im upset that i cant stream netlix or something | 19:06 |
| holstein | sitting around whinning with a 20Mb download speed ;) | 19:07 |
| astraljava | Hey! Only 12.8MB/s | 19:08 |
| holstein | my upload is pretty crappy, but still | 19:08 |
| holstein | im fortunate | 19:08 |
| falktx_ | errr | 19:09 |
| falktx_ | I have (at "work") 2 Mb connection!!!! | 19:09 |
| ailo | In Sweden I've heard there is a plan to give most of the citizens 100 mb by 2020, which is not really that much. | 19:09 |
| ailo | Not much considering it will be 2020 | 19:10 |
| holstein | i would be happy with a 10 or 15Mb both ways, up and download | 19:11 |
| ailo | It really depends on the supplier I think. Most have a high download, but a low upload. Not everyone needs to upload high speed | 19:12 |
| holstein | yup | 19:12 |
| ailo | The main stream suppliers usually offer the standard deal | 19:12 |
| holstein | i just dont think i have a good buisness level provider in my area | 19:12 |
| ailo | How about mobile internet? | 19:13 |
| holstein | still, i can get by just fine :) | 19:13 |
| holstein | ailo: nah, not here | 19:13 |
| holstein | thats *really* bad here | 19:13 |
| holstein | we have decent 3g coverage or whatever | 19:13 |
| holstein | it'll be years til the decent fast stuff is even some places downtown | 19:14 |
| scott-work | ailo: lol, that is true | 19:17 |
| scott-work | re: "100mb by 2020" | 19:17 |
| astraljava | I understand the grief. However, you must understand some basics about geography and economy. | 19:21 |
| astraljava | Most of the Nordic countries must rely on fast networks. | 19:21 |
| astraljava | We're also considerably smaller countries than US, for instance. | 19:21 |
| astraljava | Then if you take notice of the density of population in the Far East, you'll quickly learn why it is feasible for them to run optic fibre into the ground. | 19:22 |
| astraljava | Also, you must realize the human reliance to certain quality of service. | 19:23 |
| astraljava | For instance, I'm used to gaining access to ubuntu isos in a matter of few minutes. | 19:24 |
| holstein | yeah, i take that for granted | 19:24 |
| holstein | i just DL them | 19:24 |
| astraljava | Now, it takes more than that to see where my cursor is over a terminal connection to a server in a nearby city. | 19:24 |
| astraljava | So, I refuse to do any serious work in this situation, when I know that my efficiency heightens some 400% the next day, provided that the network regains it's normal quality of service. | 19:26 |
| astraljava | Got cut off again... Hell, take this. A regular melodic progressive metal tune on Spotify is around 4 megabytes. Usually, it's here before I can say mydogjumpedoverthefenceandthenstoppedtolickhisballs. | 19:42 |
| raboof | he was still licking his balls mid-jump? impressive. | 19:44 |
| astraljava | I take pride over his training. | 19:44 |
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