[04:42] <Kokito> howdy
[11:35] <jussi> astraljava: ping
[13:55] <astraljava> jussi: pong, check your email
[13:56] <jussi> astraljava: received, thanks
[13:57] <astraljava> jussi: That's enough?
[14:35] <falktx> hey guys
[14:35] <astraljava> Hey there.
[14:44]  * abogani waves all
[14:48] <astraljava> hey there Alessio!
[15:48] <scott-work> hi falktx 
[15:48] <scott-work> i need some guidance on how to test the xfce patch
[15:48] <scott-work> hi abogani :)
[15:48] <scott-work> hi astraljava 
[15:49] <scott-work> falktx: i have an xubuntu install and installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack which also brought in jackd and other stuff
[15:49] <scott-work> i then installed the ubuntustudio-menu so i could see all the stuff in wrong places and then build the menu with the patch which should fix it
[15:49] <scott-work> but when i installed the ubuntustudio-menu nothing seemed to change
[15:50] <scott-work> before i screw something up (like isntall ubuntustudio-settings or ubuntustudio-look) is there something else i need to do?
[15:50]  * scott-work is about to go into another 1 hour meeting :(  but i'll be back...in one hour ;)
[15:50] <falktx> scott-work: hm, maybe I forgot something in the patch... ?
[15:51] <falktx> scott-work: did you log out and log in back after the update?
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx: i didn't build it yet, i only installed the ubuntustudio-menu from the repos
[15:54] <scott-work> falktx: i expected to see hydrogen, et al in the wrong submenu category
[15:54] <scott-work> basically i wanted to establish a baseline so i understood what the fix was and that it did in fact fix the problem
[15:55] <scott-work> sorry if i'm being an idiot and misunderstanding some fundamentally simple issue
[15:55]  * scott-work is really gone now for 1 hour
[15:56] <falktx> scott-work: this can't be hard:
[15:56] <falktx> apt-get source ubuntustudio-menu
[15:56] <falktx> cd ubuntustudio-menu*
[15:56] <falktx> patch -p1 < /my/patch
[15:56] <falktx> debuild -rfakeroot
[15:56] <falktx> then install the deb
[15:57] <falktx> if something goes wrong, re-install ubuntustudio-menu form synaptic
[17:46] <scott-work> falktx: i think i am not adequately explaing myself
[17:46] <scott-work> falktx: i know how to get source, apply patch, and build....i'm before that part
[17:47] <scott-work> falktx: i installed the ubuntustudio-menu as it currently is...i wanted to see the appilcations in the wrong places
[17:47] <scott-work> but the menu did not appear to be _any_ different than the default xfce menu
[17:50] <falktx_> scott-work: hm?
[17:50] <scott-work> falktx_: i was given to understand that if i installed the ubuntustudio-menu in an xfce environment that the menu would be wrong
[17:51] <scott-work> applicatiosn would be located incorrectly
[17:51] <scott-work> i tried to do that last night in an xubuntu installation....i installed the ubuntustudio-menu
[17:51] <scott-work> but the menu did not appear to change from what was installed by default
[17:51] <scott-work> is there something that i am missing?
[17:52] <falktx_> I'm getting confuse here too
[17:52] <falktx_> scott-work: the current us-menu works, but items are some items not hidden in the xfce menu
[17:53] <falktx_> errr, bad typing...
[17:53] <falktx_> the current us-menu works, but there are some items not hidden in the xfce menu
[17:53] <falktx_> scott-work: ^
[17:54] <scott-work> right, like say ardour which should show up in the "Multimedia" menu but really should show up under "Audio & Video"
[17:54] <scott-work> falktx_: is that correct?
[17:55] <falktx_> scott-work: err, Ardour will show up in the usual multimedia menu
[17:55] <scott-work> falktx_: but we don't want it to right?
[17:55] <falktx_> Audio & Video = multimedia ?
[17:55] <falktx_> scott-work: we want some custom apps to go into the audio or video submenu i guess
[17:55] <scott-work> no, the xfce menu has a "Multimedia" menu
[17:56] <falktx_> scott-work: I wish you were right here so I can explain this better...
[17:56] <scott-work> maybe we should back up a bit further....what is your xfce menu patch suppose fix?
[17:57] <scott-work> i thought you said that under xfce the ubuntustudio-menu didn't show applications in the categories that we intended them to be in
[17:57] <scott-work> the [exclude] and [include] hacks didn't work under xfce as they did under gnome
[18:02] <falktx_> scott-work: ok, let me try to be as clear as possible
[18:02] <falktx_> 1 - gnome does not always follow the rules (so seems xfce)
[18:02] <falktx_> the current us-menu work, as I see it, modifies the default gnome menu and inserts submenus
[18:03] <scott-work> right
[18:03] <falktx_> ^ this is wrong, cause it will be gnome only
[18:03] <scott-work> okay
[18:03] <falktx_> (kde may or not work, xfce will not work, other DEs are untested)
[18:03] <scott-work> _how_ does xfce not work with ubuntustudio-menu?
[18:04] <falktx_> scott-work: ah, let me explain
[18:04] <scott-work> please
[18:04] <falktx_> xfce and kde show the multimedia menu as usual
[18:04] <falktx_> but also show the "audio production" and "video production" introduced by us-menu
[18:04] <falktx_> so far so good
[18:05] <scott-work> wait!
[18:05] <falktx_> the problem is that the items inside "audio production" is not removed from the (parent) multimedia menu
[18:05] <falktx_> what?
[18:05] <scott-work> that sounds good but i was unable to replicate this last night!
[18:05] <falktx_> scott-work: really?
[18:05] <scott-work> can you describe a method that i can see this?
[18:05] <scott-work> falktx_: yes, that is what i was trying to explain earlier
[18:06] <scott-work> i have a fresh xubuntu natty installation and then installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack
[18:06] <falktx_> scott-work: with the default us-menu you should at least see the "audio/video production" sub-menus in xfce
[18:06] <scott-work> after this installed i looked at the menu...sure enough, they appears in the "Multimedia" menu....this is expected
[18:06] <falktx_> yep
[18:06] <scott-work> then i installed the ubuntustudio-menu
[18:06] <falktx_> k
[18:06] <scott-work> but it didn't appear to add _anything_
[18:07] <scott-work> i did not see any additional submenus
[18:07] <scott-work> i was wondering if i was doing something wrong
[18:07] <falktx_> scott-work: did you logoff/rebooted after the install ?
[18:07] <falktx_> (us-menu install)
[18:07] <scott-work> no, i did not
[18:07] <scott-work> i shall do that tonight though!
[18:07] <falktx_> well, there's your problem!
[18:08] <falktx_> scott-work: after you install any type of custom menus, you'll have to reboot or at least logoff
[18:08] <scott-work> see, i was doing something wrong!
[18:08] <falktx_> scott-work: that will show the new "audio/video P", but as described earlier here
[18:08] <scott-work> okay, i expect now to see some sort of hybrid menu with parts from both xfce and ubuntustudio
[18:09] <scott-work> after that then i'll apply the patch, build the menu again, reinstall it, and then log off/on :)
[18:34] <falktx_> scott-work: the ISO script is doing it's business
[18:34] <scott-work> falktx_: outstanding!  that is very exciting news
[18:34] <falktx_> I'm still downloading the packages (continuing from yesterday), but I hope to soon make it work for everyone
[18:51] <astraljava> Gah! Network's being a bitch! Can't work today at all. Hopefully it's better tomorrow... :(
[18:59] <falktx_> astraljava: network is a bitch to me everyday...!
[19:04] <astraljava> Ahh, that explains it, the local cable company is having serious problems.
[19:06]  * falktx_ thinks some don't realize how luck they are
[19:06] <holstein> yeah, i think that sometimes
[19:06] <astraljava> Well, it's still a far cry when compared to Japan or Korea...
[19:06] <holstein> when im upset that i cant stream netlix or something
[19:07] <holstein> sitting around whinning with a 20Mb download speed ;)
[19:08] <astraljava> Hey! Only 12.8MB/s
[19:08] <holstein> my upload is pretty crappy, but still
[19:08] <holstein> im fortunate
[19:09] <falktx_> errr
[19:09] <falktx_> I have (at "work") 2 Mb connection!!!!
[19:09] <ailo> In Sweden I've heard there is a plan to give most of the citizens 100 mb by 2020, which is not really that much.
[19:10] <ailo> Not much considering it will be 2020
[19:11] <holstein> i would be happy with a 10 or 15Mb both ways, up and download
[19:12] <ailo> It really depends on the supplier I think. Most have a high download, but a low upload. Not everyone needs to upload high speed
[19:12] <holstein> yup
[19:12] <ailo> The main stream suppliers usually offer the standard deal
[19:12] <holstein> i just dont think i have a good buisness level provider in my area
[19:13] <ailo> How about mobile internet?
[19:13] <holstein> still, i can get by just fine :)
[19:13] <holstein> ailo: nah, not here
[19:13] <holstein> thats *really* bad here
[19:13] <holstein> we have decent 3g coverage or whatever
[19:14] <holstein> it'll be years til the decent fast stuff is even some places downtown
[19:17] <scott-work> ailo: lol, that is true
[19:17] <scott-work> re: "100mb by 2020"
[19:21] <astraljava> I understand the grief. However, you must understand some basics about geography and economy.
[19:21] <astraljava> Most of the Nordic countries must rely on fast networks.
[19:21] <astraljava> We're also considerably smaller countries than US, for instance.
[19:22] <astraljava> Then if you take notice of the density of population in the Far East, you'll quickly learn why it is feasible for them to run optic fibre into the ground.
[19:23] <astraljava> Also, you must realize the human reliance to certain quality of service.
[19:24] <astraljava> For instance, I'm used to gaining access to ubuntu isos in a matter of few minutes.
[19:24] <holstein> yeah, i take that for granted
[19:24] <holstein> i just DL them
[19:24] <astraljava> Now, it takes more than that to see where my cursor is over a terminal connection to a server in a nearby city.
[19:26] <astraljava> So, I refuse to do any serious work in this situation, when I know that my efficiency heightens some 400% the next day, provided that the network regains it's normal quality of service.
[19:42] <astraljava> Got cut off again... Hell, take this. A regular melodic progressive metal tune on Spotify is around 4 megabytes. Usually, it's here before I can say mydogjumpedoverthefenceandthenstoppedtolickhisballs.
[19:44] <raboof> he was still licking his balls mid-jump? impressive.
[19:44] <astraljava> I take pride over his training.