[04:42] howdy [11:35] astraljava: ping [13:55] jussi: pong, check your email [13:56] astraljava: received, thanks [13:57] jussi: That's enough? [14:35] hey guys [14:35] Hey there. [14:44] * abogani waves all [14:48] hey there Alessio! [15:48] hi falktx [15:48] i need some guidance on how to test the xfce patch [15:48] hi abogani :) [15:48] hi astraljava [15:49] falktx: i have an xubuntu install and installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack which also brought in jackd and other stuff [15:49] i then installed the ubuntustudio-menu so i could see all the stuff in wrong places and then build the menu with the patch which should fix it [15:49] but when i installed the ubuntustudio-menu nothing seemed to change [15:50] before i screw something up (like isntall ubuntustudio-settings or ubuntustudio-look) is there something else i need to do? [15:50] * scott-work is about to go into another 1 hour meeting :( but i'll be back...in one hour ;) [15:50] scott-work: hm, maybe I forgot something in the patch... ? [15:51] scott-work: did you log out and log in back after the update? [15:53] falktx: i didn't build it yet, i only installed the ubuntustudio-menu from the repos [15:54] falktx: i expected to see hydrogen, et al in the wrong submenu category [15:54] basically i wanted to establish a baseline so i understood what the fix was and that it did in fact fix the problem [15:55] sorry if i'm being an idiot and misunderstanding some fundamentally simple issue [15:55] * scott-work is really gone now for 1 hour [15:56] scott-work: this can't be hard: [15:56] apt-get source ubuntustudio-menu [15:56] cd ubuntustudio-menu* [15:56] patch -p1 < /my/patch [15:56] debuild -rfakeroot [15:56] then install the deb [15:57] if something goes wrong, re-install ubuntustudio-menu form synaptic [17:46] falktx: i think i am not adequately explaing myself [17:46] falktx: i know how to get source, apply patch, and build....i'm before that part [17:47] falktx: i installed the ubuntustudio-menu as it currently is...i wanted to see the appilcations in the wrong places [17:47] but the menu did not appear to be _any_ different than the default xfce menu [17:50] scott-work: hm? [17:50] falktx_: i was given to understand that if i installed the ubuntustudio-menu in an xfce environment that the menu would be wrong [17:51] applicatiosn would be located incorrectly [17:51] i tried to do that last night in an xubuntu installation....i installed the ubuntustudio-menu [17:51] but the menu did not appear to change from what was installed by default [17:51] is there something that i am missing? [17:52] I'm getting confuse here too [17:52] scott-work: the current us-menu works, but items are some items not hidden in the xfce menu [17:53] errr, bad typing... [17:53] the current us-menu works, but there are some items not hidden in the xfce menu [17:53] scott-work: ^ [17:54] right, like say ardour which should show up in the "Multimedia" menu but really should show up under "Audio & Video" [17:54] falktx_: is that correct? [17:55] scott-work: err, Ardour will show up in the usual multimedia menu [17:55] falktx_: but we don't want it to right? [17:55] Audio & Video = multimedia ? [17:55] scott-work: we want some custom apps to go into the audio or video submenu i guess [17:55] no, the xfce menu has a "Multimedia" menu [17:56] scott-work: I wish you were right here so I can explain this better... [17:56] maybe we should back up a bit further....what is your xfce menu patch suppose fix? [17:57] i thought you said that under xfce the ubuntustudio-menu didn't show applications in the categories that we intended them to be in [17:57] the [exclude] and [include] hacks didn't work under xfce as they did under gnome [18:02] scott-work: ok, let me try to be as clear as possible [18:02] 1 - gnome does not always follow the rules (so seems xfce) [18:02] the current us-menu work, as I see it, modifies the default gnome menu and inserts submenus [18:03] right [18:03] ^ this is wrong, cause it will be gnome only [18:03] okay [18:03] (kde may or not work, xfce will not work, other DEs are untested) [18:03] _how_ does xfce not work with ubuntustudio-menu? [18:04] scott-work: ah, let me explain [18:04] please [18:04] xfce and kde show the multimedia menu as usual [18:04] but also show the "audio production" and "video production" introduced by us-menu [18:04] so far so good [18:05] wait! [18:05] the problem is that the items inside "audio production" is not removed from the (parent) multimedia menu [18:05] what? [18:05] that sounds good but i was unable to replicate this last night! [18:05] scott-work: really? [18:05] can you describe a method that i can see this? [18:05] falktx_: yes, that is what i was trying to explain earlier [18:06] i have a fresh xubuntu natty installation and then installed ardour, qjackctl, hydrogen, and rakarrack [18:06] scott-work: with the default us-menu you should at least see the "audio/video production" sub-menus in xfce [18:06] after this installed i looked at the menu...sure enough, they appears in the "Multimedia" menu....this is expected [18:06] yep [18:06] then i installed the ubuntustudio-menu [18:06] k [18:06] but it didn't appear to add _anything_ [18:07] i did not see any additional submenus [18:07] i was wondering if i was doing something wrong [18:07] scott-work: did you logoff/rebooted after the install ? [18:07] (us-menu install) [18:07] no, i did not [18:07] i shall do that tonight though! [18:07] well, there's your problem! [18:08] scott-work: after you install any type of custom menus, you'll have to reboot or at least logoff [18:08] see, i was doing something wrong! [18:08] scott-work: that will show the new "audio/video P", but as described earlier here [18:08] okay, i expect now to see some sort of hybrid menu with parts from both xfce and ubuntustudio [18:09] after that then i'll apply the patch, build the menu again, reinstall it, and then log off/on :) [18:34] scott-work: the ISO script is doing it's business [18:34] falktx_: outstanding! that is very exciting news [18:34] I'm still downloading the packages (continuing from yesterday), but I hope to soon make it work for everyone [18:51] Gah! Network's being a bitch! Can't work today at all. Hopefully it's better tomorrow... :( [18:59] astraljava: network is a bitch to me everyday...! [19:04] Ahh, that explains it, the local cable company is having serious problems. [19:06] * falktx_ thinks some don't realize how luck they are [19:06] yeah, i think that sometimes [19:06] Well, it's still a far cry when compared to Japan or Korea... [19:06] when im upset that i cant stream netlix or something [19:07] sitting around whinning with a 20Mb download speed ;) [19:08] Hey! Only 12.8MB/s [19:08] my upload is pretty crappy, but still [19:08] im fortunate [19:09] errr [19:09] I have (at "work") 2 Mb connection!!!! [19:09] In Sweden I've heard there is a plan to give most of the citizens 100 mb by 2020, which is not really that much. [19:10] Not much considering it will be 2020 [19:11] i would be happy with a 10 or 15Mb both ways, up and download [19:12] It really depends on the supplier I think. Most have a high download, but a low upload. Not everyone needs to upload high speed [19:12] yup [19:12] The main stream suppliers usually offer the standard deal [19:12] i just dont think i have a good buisness level provider in my area [19:13] How about mobile internet? [19:13] still, i can get by just fine :) [19:13] ailo: nah, not here [19:13] thats *really* bad here [19:13] we have decent 3g coverage or whatever [19:14] it'll be years til the decent fast stuff is even some places downtown [19:17] ailo: lol, that is true [19:17] re: "100mb by 2020" [19:21] I understand the grief. However, you must understand some basics about geography and economy. [19:21] Most of the Nordic countries must rely on fast networks. [19:21] We're also considerably smaller countries than US, for instance. [19:22] Then if you take notice of the density of population in the Far East, you'll quickly learn why it is feasible for them to run optic fibre into the ground. [19:23] Also, you must realize the human reliance to certain quality of service. [19:24] For instance, I'm used to gaining access to ubuntu isos in a matter of few minutes. [19:24] yeah, i take that for granted [19:24] i just DL them [19:24] Now, it takes more than that to see where my cursor is over a terminal connection to a server in a nearby city. [19:26] So, I refuse to do any serious work in this situation, when I know that my efficiency heightens some 400% the next day, provided that the network regains it's normal quality of service. [19:42] Got cut off again... Hell, take this. A regular melodic progressive metal tune on Spotify is around 4 megabytes. Usually, it's here before I can say mydogjumpedoverthefenceandthenstoppedtolickhisballs. [19:44] he was still licking his balls mid-jump? impressive. [19:44] I take pride over his training.