[00:00] <perelin> yup.. its not in the list
[00:01] <perelin> but this made afraid very much...
[00:01] <charlie-tca> It will be fine
[00:01] <perelin> hope so... just switched over to xubuntu from that unity monster 2 weeks ago
[00:02] <perelin> and i was very happy with it until 2 hours ago
[00:02] <perelin> :)
[00:02] <charlie-tca> You will be happy again. :)
[00:02] <perelin> allready am!
[00:03] <perelin> have a hand on workshop tomorrow... and an own laptop enviroment is must have
[00:04] <perelin> goin to bed now... thx from germany!!
[08:45] <nikolam> Why nobody actually fixes bugs in LTS releases.
[08:46] <nikolam> I just hit again that bug where, while setting and changing windows manager look, X just dies and user can not log in AT ALL to session afterwards
[08:46] <nikolam> Why we have updates, when fixes only land to newest regular release or in testing?
[08:47] <nikolam> Should not bug fixes be backported and presented to LTS and SUPPORTED releases?
[08:48] <TheSheep> nikolam: did you report the bug? they usually have a much better chance of being fixed when reported
[08:48] <nikolam> YES AGES AGO
[08:49] <nikolam> and I got quick fix last time on this channel
[08:49] <nikolam> so i continued to work
[08:51] <nikolam> Problem I think is that reported bugs do not necessary count in fixing it in release it was reported into. And that is the problem for all ubuntu distributions
[08:53] <nikolam> I was repeatedly asked "does it works in newest release" when the problem is in previous release i use. Most of the time bugs get fixed but somehow it is forgotten to update also previous releases that are still supported.
[08:53] <nikolam> I understand some things in lts and previous releases get updated and some do not. But..
[09:01] <nikolam> gtk-theme-name="Murrine-Sky" I think that is it, in .gtkrc-2.0
[09:02] <TheSheep> I think that the bug needs to have high enough severity to get backported
[09:03] <nikolam> I see. Like locking user from computer and never be able to log in again severity.
[09:14] <nikolam> I would like to know, BTW, Why "Switch user" was removed from shutdown menu, anyway
[09:20] <nikolam> I would like to delete that murine theme thing not to be sacked in it again
[09:49] <nikolam> it is value="Wildbush" for theme in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml that kills X and do not allow user to log in again.
[09:53] <TheSheep> nikolam: if you want it to be read by the developers, write it on the bugtracker and not here
[09:53] <nikolam> I might report it again, if not reported before, against what should it reported, against xfwm4-themes I think. yes that is it.
[09:53] <nikolam> oki
[10:14] <nikolam> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4-themes/+bug/797587  Now just to confirm it and to rise its importance  to be fixed.
[10:14] <nikolam> Since it stops user from using account , I think it should be higher priority for LTS, too.
[10:17] <nikolam> "best" thing is that after changing that setting and switching few times between users, now sound does not work anymore..
[10:23] <nikolam> Ah, there is a bug already reported, but someone marked it "low"?? .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4-themes/+bug/573516
[10:23] <nikolam> Also present on 10.10, hence NOT fixed, ue to "low" priority
[10:29] <nikolam> And THIS is procedure to make it fixed in supported releases... : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[12:30] <jozefk> \o
[12:30] <jozefk> which one is better way to do it and why? 1) find . -type f -iname '*name*' 2) find . -iname '*name*' -type f
[12:41] <TheSheep> jozefk: isn't it the same?
[12:42] <jozefk> it seems by default find command will put -iname first even in case of example 1)
[13:05] <buff27> greetings to all xubuntu users
[13:17] <jozefk> greetings to you too :)
[13:18] <buff27> was wondering if anyone was alive in here
[13:20] <jozefk> we are still all alive :)
[13:20] <jozefk> but I don't look at the channel all the time. especially if nobody speaks :D
[13:26] <buff27> yes fair enough jozefk
[13:53] <charlie-tca> *GM
[14:04] <jozefk> it's 5pm here. so good afternoon :)
[15:09] <Fenix2> *still on* needed a fix for compiz drawing no borders for windows and no top bar when upgraded from 10.10 with Emerald and Compiz installed
[15:09] <Sysi> emerald is deprecated, set compiz to draw window borders with something else
[15:09] <Fenix2> and compiz saying during startup "No decorator found, trying all decorators"
[15:10] <Fenix2> Sysi: compiz settings has a check-box "borders" clicking it does not help
[15:11] <Sysi> they have window borders in unity so itäs possible
[15:11] <Fenix2> what's unity ?
[15:11] <Sysi> new ubuntu GUI
[15:12] <Sysi> "thing people have complained about since start of this year"
[15:12] <Sysi> i don't know more exactly because i hate compiz
[15:13] <Fenix2> Sysi: what do I install to have something draw the damn borders with compiz as the wm
[15:14] <Fenix2> gtw-border-decorations or such yielded only results in the software center for compiz oddly
[15:15] <Sysi> double click on "window borders" in ccsm and replace "emerald" with "gtk-window-decorator"
[15:16] <Fenix2> I have to start it up. ( on a Mac now )
[15:16] <Fenix2> evil Cupertino evil
[15:17] <Fenix2> Portland good
[15:17] <Fenix2> Redmond evil also regrdless of do you or don't you pirate it
[15:17] <Sysi> you don't, on ubuntu channels
[15:17] <Sysi> every OS sucks
[15:20] <Fenix2> Sysi: I double clicked.. now it shows that it runs command /usr/bin/compiz-decorator .. I change this ?
[15:21] <Sysi> does that binary exist? put that /path/ to terminal
[15:23] <Fenix2> yeah.. exists
[15:23] <Sysi> weird..
[15:24] <Sysi> you have decorator but no borders still
[15:24] <Fenix2> how do I totally reset all compiz settings ?
[15:24] <Fenix2> and configure it again
[15:25] <Fenix2> I removed it with software center and put it back but it had old defaults it used
[15:26] <Sysi> some hidden file in ypur home folder
[15:26] <Sysi> open thunar and press Ctrl H
[15:26] <Sysi> maybe in .config
[15:26] <Fenix2> what does that do.. should I nuke ~/.config/compiz and reinstall ?
[15:28] <Sysi> reinstall isn't needed
[15:29] <Fenix2> so it seems I need to remove some config file..
[15:29] <Fenix2> or edit it
[15:29] <Fenix2> ...
[15:29] <Fenix2> If I nuke all compiz'es confs in ~/config/ does it rebuild em ?
[15:29] <Sysi> i just told you how to find that file for deleting it, dunno if it helps
[15:30] <Sysi> it copies the defsult there
[15:30] <Fenix2> hmm..
[15:33] <Fenix2> There is Default.ini but that doesn't contain anything referring to external thingy to draw borders
[15:50] <Fenix2> I've never before seen an Linux installation ask "There is a new version available, would you like to upgrade to 11.04?"
[15:50] <Fenix2> It was too good to be true
[16:14] <n2diy> I've been playing with Remote Desktop Viewer, and it appears I have Vinagre installed by default as the client, and no server installed? Is there a preference as to what server should be used?
[17:47] <uofm49426> is anyone working on the freezing screen saver problems
[17:47] <xrdodrx> ?
[17:48] <uofm49426> in xubuntu and ubuntu 11.04
[17:49] <uofm49426> start up worked find i leave to go do something and its frozen in screen saver
[17:50] <xrdodrx> Maybe it's your video card driver?
[17:51] <uofm49426> i have a nvidia gl 330
[17:51] <uofm49426> with 1 gb ram
[17:51] <xrdodrx> which driver are you using?
[17:52] <uofm49426> current
[17:53] <xrdodrx> Current?
[17:53] <uofm49426> proprietary
[17:54] <Sysi> happens always or with just some screensaver?
[17:54] <uofm49426> just the default screensaver
[17:54] <Sysi> you couls try disabling screensaver or left it to blanc, anyway not needed on tft screen
[17:55] <uofm49426> Bug #762918 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu): “Natty Screensaver ...
[17:56] <Sysi> xubuntu has xscreensaver
[17:57] <uofm49426> or i can say screw it better luck with 11.10
[17:57] <uofm49426> xubuntu freezes the same way
[17:58] <xrdodrx> No, you don't want to be using 11.10 for anything other than testing 11.10
[17:58] <uofm49426> i ran that first i hate ubuntu i was thinking it was a flavor problem
[17:58] <xrdodrx> Ubuntu and Xubuntu use different screensaver programs
[17:59] <Sysi> setting it to blank would tell is spesific screensaver theme is buggy, it uses randomly chosen by default
[17:59] <xrdodrx> well if you hate ubuntu then I guess nothing I say will change your mind
[17:59] <xrdodrx> :(
[17:59] <uofm49426> no ill going back to 10.10 till its fixed
[18:00] <plantoschka> your system only crashes in screensaver mode? or does it crash in more situations?
[18:00] <Sysi> does it crash everytime screensaver turns on?
[18:00] <xrdodrx> Try playing a 3D game or something that uses opengl
[18:00] <xrdodrx> and see if it crashes
[18:00] <uofm49426> when screen shutsdown
[18:01] <uofm49426> and screensaver is going
[18:01] <uofm49426> games run fine
[18:02] <xrdodrx> are you using a CRT monitor? if not it's better to not even use a screensaver
[18:02] <uofm49426> yes im using a crt
[18:02] <Sysi> you should also try if virtual consoles work after crash, Ctrl Alt F6
[18:02]  * plantoschka didn't used screensavers for like > 10years :-D
[18:03] <plantoschka> why not set it to disable the screen after a few minutes?
[18:03] <xrdodrx> or alt + sysrq + reisub
[18:05] <uofm49426> 10.10 work flawlessly with my computer
[18:05] <plantoschka> hm
[18:06] <plantoschka> maybe update the graphic drivers?
[18:06] <plantoschka> or try to use the noveau drivers?
[18:07] <uofm49426> i think ill try runing it in vm let it freeze will vm tell why it froze
[18:09] <plantoschka> think it won't freeze in the vm :-D
[18:33] <charlie-tca> The screensaver issue in Xubuntu is caused by the gl xscreensavers. switch to a screensaver that is not gl and it quits freezing.
[18:34] <charlie-tca> the screensaver issue in Ubuntu is not the same issue
[19:18] <Wizard> hi
[19:59] <plantoschka> any way to make lyrics work in gmusicbrowser?
[20:19] <as> hello how i put icons Ex- firefox on bar
[20:20] <charlie-tca> as: like Ubuntu?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> We don't do that.
[20:22] <likemindead> Anyone use cmus? Like it? Hate it? Meh?
[20:23] <likemindead> Howsabout moc?
[20:24] <as> i want put icons on up bar i am new in xubuntu it s a new install i have firefox on bar i like to know how i put more icons like openoffice etc etc
[20:25] <celestica_-> as, Right+Click on your panel, select the panel option, and then click on Add New Items
[20:26] <Sysi> on 11.04, drag from menu
[20:26] <celestica_-> as, Once there, you should be able to add whats called a "Launcher", from there simply input the path (probably /usr/bin/openoffice) and you should be able to launch your applications from there!
[20:27] <as> thanks i ggo try i use lts version
[20:27] <charlie-tca> if it was 11.04, firefox won't be on the panel, though
[20:30] <as> it's work thanks very much celestica_
[20:44] <as> another question how i access to my network in thunar
[21:32] <slake76> Ciao ragazzi.....posso chiedervi qualche cosettina?????
[21:32] <Sysi> !it
[21:33] <slake76> ah pardon....ho preso dal sito ok
[21:34] <slake76> eh ma per Xubuntu?? #xubuntu-it?? giusto????
[21:34] <likemindead> slake76: /join #ubuntu-it
[21:38] <Unit193> Guess not...
[23:14] <kuatoAR> I need help. The mouse pointer is gone, and X toke its place and windows are not working correctly, everything was ok, then I've updated Google Chrome and now xubuntu is "brocken", any help? , thanks in advance.
[23:14] <kuatoAR> xubuntu 11.04