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micahgis it a known issue that kdepim apps are being asked to be removed in oneiric?00:13
shadeslayermicahg: uh what?00:15
micahgI just tried upgrading and it wanted to remove akregator and friends, I'll verify later00:16
* micahg still uses aptitude, so maybe that's it00:16
shadeslayerah yes00:18
shadeslayeryou need apt-get00:18
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ScottKIt would be nice if someone could have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports and write up a replacement for the Kubuntu (Adept) section.03:42
ScottKclaydoh: ^^^ Would you be up for that?03:42
micahgshadeslayer: was just a mirror issue (wasn't caught up yet)04:42
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shadeslayermicahg: ah :)06:45
shadeslayermorning everyone \o06:46
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shadeslayerOMG moin moin upgrade \o/.08:28
shadeslayerQuintasan_: apachelogger yofel ^^08:29
valoriewhich wiki is that, shadeslayer?08:35
valoriethe main Ubuntu one?08:35
jussidoe anyone else have that the dialogs in ark are unbeleivably small and need to be resized to see anything? 08:51
Tm_Tvalorie: main, yes08:56
Tm_Tshadeslayer was too excited to provide any source, so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-June/000859.html08:57
valorieawesome!08:58
Quintasan_Wiki.ubuntu.com Moin Upgrade 2011/06/16 @ 2300 UTC09:16
Quintasan_I'm not seeing things?09:16
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felimwhiteleynot exactly the place to ask but did kontact2/kdepim-4.6.4 or whatever it's called ever get packaged in the PPA? I've searched last few days looking for docs and am not finding anything.. it's my work machine so I don't fancy trying out the experimental PPA.. 09:32
* felimwhiteley noticed caldav is finally in akonadi \\o/09:32
yofelmorning10:15
yofelshadeslayer: WHUT o.O?10:15
shadeslayeryes10:17
shadeslayeri know10:17
shadeslayeryofel: i must be dreaming10:17
* shadeslayer hates his new router10:18
yofelfelimwhiteley: we do have packages, but we're still fixing bugs in them, hopefully should be done today10:20
felimwhiteleyyofel: ah that makes sense.. I jsut thought I was missing something.. had checked my version.. online.. saw kdepimlibs5 and thought that might be it.. anyway thanks, clears it up some more10:22
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* Quintasan wonders why the hell he can't move slider in amarok12:43
jussiQuintasan: did you get your board? 12:55
Quintasannope :S12:55
jussiQuintasan: what happened? 12:55
QuintasanService request is pending~~12:55
Quintasanmakes me want go and fuck that discount12:55
jussifrom freescale? 12:55
Quintasanof course12:56
jussithats insane12:56
persiaQuintasan: Do you happen to remember the names of any of the Freescale folk with whom you spoke at UDS?  You might try to work around it that way.13:36
persiaThey might not be able to help, but it beats just being annoyed :)13:36
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Quintasanpersia: I tried asking Arwen (she was handling the voucher distribution) but I couldn't somehow get a hold of her13:39
persiaOh :(13:40
QuintasanMaybe it's the time zone difference but on weekends I'm usually not in bed until 4 in the morning13:41
QuintasanIf that doesn't work out I can always do the procedure as if it was with no discount but I will probably have to pay something around $2013:42
persiaIn customs charges?13:43
QuintasanSomething like this13:43
jussiQuintasan: just do that. We will find the cash if its an issue for you. 13:43
QuintasanWhat I learned is that Polish customs allow only 10% discount to go through without any problems13:43
QuintasanIf it's more they start making problems.13:44
* jussi thinks the dev time is more important than a few dollars here13:44
Quintasanjussi: Meh, I'll pay up, sending the no-discount papers14:25
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sheytanyo!18:28
sheytanho do I upgrade from natty to oneric aplha now?18:29
shadeslayer!upgrade | sheytan18:32
ubottusheytan: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade18:32
shadeslayersheytan: i can haz mockup?18:32
sheytanshadeslayer for? :)18:32
shadeslayersheytan: for my GSoC project :)18:32
sheytanwhich is?18:32
shadeslayersheytan: a KCM module to add/remove syncevolution configs18:33
shadeslayersheytan: like what telepathy does18:33
sheytansure, but not today. Need to finish my artwork for job. Propably tomorrow, k? :)18:33
shadeslayersure18:34
shadeslayernp18:34
shadeslayermy ff is broken18:34
shadeslayerlooks horrible18:34
sheytanshadeslayer no new releases found18:35
sheytani want to upgrade my 11.04 to 11.1018:35
shadeslayeryou need the -d flag18:35
sheytanin do-release-upgrade ?18:36
sheytanworks ;d18:36
shadeslayeryes: do-release-upgrade -d18:36
sheytanthanks :)18:36
shadeslayersure np :)18:36
sheytanis there the latest build of kde 4.7 too?18:36
shadeslayernope18:38
shadeslayerbeing worked upon18:38
sheytanhow about pim? ;d18:38
shadeslayera couple of bugs are being ironed out iirc18:38
sheytanwell, i want to follow oneiric changes ;)18:39
sheytanok, 40 minuts of sleep until the dload is finished. Brb :D18:40
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Quintasanyofel: Do we have the newest and latest KDEPIM to test?19:11
yofelis in staging19:11
yofelneed to look at it again, but if he fixed what we found yesterday it should be ready19:12
yofelstill, needs retest19:12
Quintasanyofel: please look I will test19:13
Quintasanany test cases or just upgrade from KMail1 and see if works?19:13
yofelno test case I'm aware of, other than getting someone to test it that uses kmail more than I do19:15
yofelhm, still not fixed19:15
yofelwell, half fixed..19:19
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bambeeevening20:54
shadeslayerhey bambee20:57
bambeehey!20:57
bambee;)20:57
Quintasan_bambee: \o21:03
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shadeslayeryofel: where do i report results of upgrade for KDEPIM 4.6?21:03
QuintasanThe package is half broken shadeslayer21:03
shadeslayeruh21:03
shadeslayerno21:03
shadeslayerQuintasan: installed fine21:04
shadeslayeri haz base packages21:04
Quintasanyofel: Said something is missing21:04
shadeslayerQuintasan: maybe for oneiric? i see a upload for oneiric21:05
QuintasanWhy do you ask me? I didn't do that21:05
shadeslayerhahaha :D21:06
shadeslayerbbiab, need to test PIM21:06
* Quintasan goes to read something and I think I'll do some 4.7 magic21:07
Quintasanvoodoo magic :321:07
shadeslayerhehe21:07
yofelQuintasan: what's missing?21:07
Quintasan[20:19:23] <yofel> well, half fixed..21:07
yofelah, kdepim-dev was still broken, fix should've built now21:08
yofelchecking21:08
Quintasanoh k21:08
* Quintasan installs21:08
Quintasanstaging?21:08
yofelk, kdepim-dev installable21:08
yofelright, staging21:08
sheytanapachelogger pingi21:10
Quintasan40 removals21:11
Quintasanwtf21:11
yofelreason?21:12
Quintasanmoment21:12
Quintasanremoving every ppa21:12
QuintasanI'll just freaking remove KDEPIM and reinstall it21:13
yofelwell, shouldn't be necessary...21:13
Quintasanno freaking idea21:14
Quintasanapt-get upgrade21:14
Quintasanheld21:14
Quintasan  akregator kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime korganizer libkdepim421:14
Quintasanwhat the...21:15
Quintasanyofel: libkmbox and libakonadi-calendar4 look like resons21:16
Quintasanlibakonadi-calendar4: libakonadi-kde4  (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) and libkcalcore4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) (UNSATISFIED)21:17
Quintasanand libkmbox libkmime4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) (UNSATISFIED)   21:17
yofelwhat akonadi do you have installed, if it's the versions you probably removed a PPA21:18
yofelwtf...21:19
Quintasan4:4.6.4-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa1 installed21:19
Quintasanoh wait21:19
Quintasanworks21:19
QuintasanI must have disable kubuntu-ppa21:20
* Quintasan got a new HDD21:21
Quintasangotta backup stuff21:21
yofel^^21:21
QuintasanMy IMAP inbox is no longer there :S21:22
yofelso much for conversion works...21:22
sheytanhttp://img41.imageshack.us/img41/930/login22.png21:23
sheytanlookie :D21:23
shadeslayerok so21:24
shadeslayerAkonadi is now sync'ing 3 years worth of mail21:24
shadeslayerlets see :>21:24
shadeslayernot  ... imageshack again :'(21:24
yofelI wonder rather how to get kmail to show my mails, for some folder I have thousands of mails in there and it only shows a few21:24
QuintasanIMHO it should sync headers only21:25
shadeslayerscratch that, 5 years of mail21:25
yofeland the offline mode is junk21:25
shadeslayeryofel: offline mode is junk?21:26
shadeslayerwhy so?21:26
yofelit shows my mails, but if I'm without a network connection I can't actually read anything21:26
yofelsure, this is IMAP, but then it should store a copy of the mail for offline usage21:26
shadeslayeruhm, you need to enable disconnected mode21:27
shadeslayerits under the advanced tab of the akonadi IMAP resource21:27
sheytanshadeslayer here you are. Your quality breaker :D http://i.imgur.com/pS1A4.jpg21:27
yofelI did, then I told it to check for mail, waited a bit, and since it didn't seem to do anything I tried again and still couldn't read them21:28
yofellet's try again...21:28
shadeslayersheytan:  <321:28
QuintasanLast messages in Kubuntu Devel ML are from march21:28
Quintasanwtf21:28
shadeslayersomeone plz implement that21:28
sheytanshadeslayer put it on the ML please :)21:28
shadeslayersure21:29
shadeslayeras soon as the Label gets sync'd :P21:29
sheytanbtw, i found out a cool text. it says "crApple" :D21:29
sheytanand please someone show it to appachelogger :D21:29
sheytanit's time for me now21:30
sheytanso bye all :)21:30
yofelok, works for NEW mails21:30
Quintasanoy sheytan it's not even midnight :P21:30
Quintasanoh wait21:30
sheytanQuintasan i'm kinda tired from few days21:30
sheytanneed  to sleep that21:30
Quintasanschool <-- I was like skipping this whole week :P21:30
* sheytan remembers the times he skipped school. <3!21:31
yofelbut it still only shows me a waiting circle for my bugmail folder with no mails21:31
yofel:(21:31
QuintasanI fcking hate that mail I get from Launchpad21:31
sheytanok, Gnight all :)21:31
yofelsigh, maybe I purge my kmail setting21:32
yofelsettings21:32
yofelthis isn't usable...21:32
shadeslayeryofel: yeah i had to purge everything21:32
yofel*should purge21:32
shadeslayeronly then did it work21:32
shadeslayerkmail kept quitting21:32
yofelnah, it's running, but it doesn't list the mails in the folders :(21:33
yofelseem to wait for something, forever21:33
yofel*seems21:33
* yofel is somewhat tired today -.-21:33
QuintasanIt should die with fire21:35
shadeslayeronly 2.5 years more to go21:35
Quintasanso much for backwards compatibility21:35
yofelwell, I've mysqld using like ~15% CPU, so it seem to do *something*21:35
shadeslayeryeah21:35
shadeslayerheh virtuoso is going crazy21:35
* Quintasan leaves it running21:37
yofelfooey, I can't tell it to put deleted mails into my IMAP accounts Trash, they all go to LocalFolders/Trash, and the settings just say 'Trash' as location21:38
QuintasanI loathe the Trash handling i KMail21:38
yofelwell, I remembered again why I'm using thunderbird...21:39
yofeland I'm still waiting it to show any of the mails in my bugmail folder (rotating circle...)21:39
shadeslayeri just use the browser :P21:39
yofelthen gmail has a usable software I guess, I don't like the old nor the new GMX online app21:40
shadeslayeruh21:40
shadeslayerok i think this is a bug21:41
shadeslayeropen a message in the view below the list of emails21:41
shadeslayerand try to drag the scrollbar21:41
shadeslayerundraggable21:41
yofelI don't have that preview pane enabled, sec21:41
QuintasanI never understood one thing21:41
QuintasanWhy the hell are Local Folders necessary?21:42
shadeslayerQuintasan: system mail ?21:42
QuintasanCan't say I have ever used that21:42
shadeslayerpeople also have system generated mail, so that gets dropped into local mail iirc21:42
shadeslayerme neither21:42
yofelactually I manage to drag it every now and then, but right, this is broken21:43
shadeslayerbut thats the only logical explanation for that folder to be there21:43
yofelwasn't POP3 downloaded into the local folder?21:43
* shadeslayer reports21:43
yofelor I'm mixing something21:43
shadeslayeridk21:44
shadeslayernever used POP321:44
shadeslayerdeprecated tech is deprecated21:44
Quintasanway better than imap21:44
Quintasanlol wut21:44
yofellol, not only the preview, if I open the mail in another window the scrollbar isn't draggable either21:44
Quintasantell me that when imap works as someone expects it to21:44
yofelworks fine in thunderbird :P21:45
shadeslayerQuintasan: IMAP works in thunderbird21:45
tsimpsonwhich IMAP? there's like 5 of them now21:45
Quintasanshadeslayer: Thunderbird is not an application21:45
Quintasanit's a resource eater21:45
shadeslayerwhat is it then? :P21:45
shadeslayerah21:45
shadeslayerso is virtuoso and akonadi21:45
yofelright21:45
QuintasanAs I said on UDS21:46
QuintasanThe concept is great and all21:46
yofelactually I think that kmail + akonadi + virtuoso + mysqld uses more memory than thunderbird21:46
Quintasanbut the execution of this sucks big time21:46
* Quintasan purges kmail21:46
yofelI forgot nepomuk21:46
shadeslayerQuintasan: do you know what my GSoC project is?21:46
shadeslayerhmm21:46
QuintasanNope, and TBH most of GSoC projects end up nowhere imo21:47
shadeslayerQuintasan: basically deals with sync'ing PIM data onto a anything running Syncevolution 21:47
Quintasan...21:47
QuintasanSyncevolution?21:48
QuintasanWhat the hell is that?21:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: ah yes, but the ultimate goal of my project is to have a shippable GUI at the end of the program21:48
QuintasanMore like, why would a normal user care about that?21:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: care about what?21:48
shadeslayersyncevolution?21:48
yofelrather implement SecretService spec in kwallet so we can have a working ubuntuone-kde21:48
Quintasansyncevolution or whatever it is called21:48
shadeslayerhe wont21:48
shadeslayersyncevolution doesn't have a GUI 21:49
shadeslayerit has a GTK GUI , not a Qt/KDE one i mean21:49
QuintasanThen WHY do we want it?21:49
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://syncevolution.org/ 21:49
shadeslayerQuintasan: because it would be really usefull for plasma active21:49
shadeslayerfor tablet devices and such21:49
QuintasanUseful for Plasma Active bleh bleh bleh insert more semantic crap talk21:50
QuintasanI don't like it21:50
QuintasanNo, let me rephrase it21:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: notice how you can sync google contacts gets sync'd to your phone?21:50
QuintasanI don't like what I am seeing at the moment21:50
shadeslayerpretty much the same thing for active21:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: which is?21:50
yofeldo we have an offline google reader app for KDE yet? implement that21:50
Quintasanthe whole semantic magic stuff21:51
QuintasanNEVER worked for me21:51
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shadeslayerQuintasan: ok, one sec, lemme get that video21:51
QuintasanLike that stupid Nepomuk Search21:51
QuintasanLook, I have one directory indexed there21:51
Quintasanhttp://i.imgur.com/GhyeE.png21:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: you haven't looked at anything what nepomuk can do till now :P21:51
Quintasanjust one21:51
Quintasanbut nope, it still says it's indexing the contents21:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41bmTSogA4&feature=player_embedded21:52
shadeslayerNepomuk isn't all about data indexing/searching21:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: you're coming to DS right?21:53
QuintasanNo idea ATM21:54
Quintasanwow cool, look nice but what's this? file searching doesnt work?21:54
QuintasanThat's the basic functionality, isnt it?21:54
shadeslayernope21:54
shadeslayerQuintasan: its searching inside videos21:54
yofelI get the feeling kmail needs to wait 1 minute / 1000 mails on mysqld to show me the folder contents21:55
shadeslayerbut what its actually doing is interpolating subtitle files that were added to the indexing21:55
shadeslayerand when it does not find a subtitle file it scraps a list of website for subtitle files21:55
QuintasanI am not interested in that whilst File searching is not working as expected21:55
shadeslayerQuintasan: i played with this app for an entire 2 days at conf.kde.in xD21:56
shadeslayerQuintasan: nepomuk is not about file searching21:56
QuintasanThen let me tell you one thing21:56
QuintasanWe don't have a search utility that works like a normal search utility21:56
Quintasaninb4 find21:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: https://desktopsummit.org/program/sessions/think-semantically-nepomuk-and-social-semantic-desktop << attend this in case you come to DS21:57
QuintasanCool stuff, but make it work instead of eating my resources21:58
* Quintasan is in grumble mode21:58
Quintasanlook, if I enter D&D into search21:58
shadeslayerheh, that i agree with21:58
shadeslayertakes up too many resources21:58
Quintasanwhy does Baccano light novel full text showing up in the results?21:58
Quintasanthe only connection between those two is that they are under Documents/21:59
shadeslayerwell .. it probably had some relation to D&D21:59
shadeslayermaybe you opened them on the same day, one after the another or sth21:59
shadeslayersame rating21:59
QuintasanLet me show it to you21:59
shadeslayercould be anything21:59
QuintasanI didnt do any tagging at all22:00
QuintasanIDC about that because it doesnt work in a proper fashion for me22:00
QuintasanBaccano <----------------distance of relevance between those two --------------------------------------> D&D22:00
Quintasan- == 1km in real life22:01
Quintasan:P22:01
shadeslayerheh22:01
shadeslayer*shrug*22:02
Quintasan*shrug*22:02
shadeslayerok kde Bug 275854  reported22:02
ubottuKDE bug 275854 in general "Cannot drag scroll bars in KMail2" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27585422:02
QuintasanBest description for my attitude towards Nepomuk and Co ATM22:02
shadeslayerheh :D22:03
shadeslayerimap hogging up my entire bandwidth :(22:03
* debfx would already be happy if dolphin supported proper file searching without indexing22:03
debfxlike filter filename and content at the same time22:03
debfxthat would be so much easier to implement and so much more useful than all the semantic desktop blah22:04
QuintasanExactly.22:04
JontheEchidnaalt + f2, kfind22:05
JontheEchidna:P22:05
shadeslayer^^^ :P22:06
Quintasanshadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/3QhC0.png22:06
Quintasanhttp://i.imgur.com/iXMwn.png22:06
QuintasanThat's what you call working?22:06
shadeslayeri don't see what the issue is22:06
shadeslayerthe files all contain Detroit 22:06
QuintasanDetroid - oh lawd awesome, all episodes22:06
debfxJontheEchidna: + copy'n'paste the path from dolphin22:07
QuintasanI want to look for the Ep 02 directly22:07
debfx*very* user friendly22:07
QuintasanLOL NO U CAN'T22:07
JontheEchidnacrtl + f used to launch it in dolphin22:07
QuintasanI IZ NOT SUPPORTING THAT22:07
JontheEchidnabut that went away when the nepomuk search was put it22:07
JontheEchidna*in22:07
shadeslayerAdding Ep 02 doesn't work?22:07
Quintasanhttp://i.imgur.com/HgYff.png22:07
Quintasansup22:07
* shadeslayer wonders why he just ssh'd into his own machine22:08
Quintasanit doesnt even work with full name22:08
shadeslayer0.o22:08
* Quintasan takes a few deep breaths22:09
QuintasanOkay it sucks, I can somehow live without it thanks to keeping stuff organised22:09
shadeslayerlol22:09
* Quintasan wishes ppl stopped making new,useless stuff and improve the BASIC functionality22:10
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: coming to the desktop summit by any chance?22:10
JontheEchidnanop22:10
shadeslayerfooey22:10
QuintasanIT'S IN AUGUST?22:11
Quintasanlol k22:11
Quintasanshadeslayer: I will be there most likely22:11
shadeslayeryep22:11
shadeslayergreat! :D22:11
QuintasanAre there any sponsorship stuff or I'm on my own there?22:11
shadeslayeriirc they closed sponsorship , might be worth sending a email to claudia / KDE e.V. 22:12
Quintasanoh well22:13
Quintasanwhateverf22:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: Did you book your room already?22:13
shadeslayerQuintasan: yeah, i got a room in the hostel22:13
shadeslayeralong with other KDE Participants and gnomies :P22:14
* Quintasan gotta look at his calendar and stuff22:14
shadeslayerooooh .. its in 2010 now \o/22:15
QuintasanI'll make up my mind regarding DS next week22:17
shadeslayerok :)22:18
shadeslayerheh ... just noticed this : http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/16/indias-oft-delayed-35-tablet-ready-to-ship-unicorns-shed-tear/22:23
shadeslayeryofel:  Quintasan i think we should mention that it would be a good idea to take a backup of PIM Data before upgrading22:43
shadeslayerapart from that, everything else seems fine22:43
shadeslayernight guys22:50
Quintasannn22:52
* Quintasan goes to bed too22:52
valorieunicorns shed tears of joy!23:15
valorielove it23:15

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