[00:13] is it a known issue that kdepim apps are being asked to be removed in oneiric? [00:15] micahg: uh what? [00:16] I just tried upgrading and it wanted to remove akregator and friends, I'll verify later [00:16] * micahg still uses aptitude, so maybe that's it [00:18] ah yes [00:18] you need apt-get === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === maco2 is now known as maco [03:42] It would be nice if someone could have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports and write up a replacement for the Kubuntu (Adept) section. [03:42] claydoh: ^^^ Would you be up for that? [04:42] shadeslayer: was just a mirror issue (wasn't caught up yet) === tazz_ is now known as tazz [06:45] micahg: ah :) [06:46] morning everyone \o === superfly__ is now known as superfly [08:28] OMG moin moin upgrade \o/. [08:29] Quintasan_: apachelogger yofel ^^ [08:35] which wiki is that, shadeslayer? [08:35] the main Ubuntu one? [08:51] doe anyone else have that the dialogs in ark are unbeleivably small and need to be resized to see anything? [08:56] valorie: main, yes [08:57] shadeslayer was too excited to provide any source, so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-June/000859.html [08:58] awesome! [09:16] Wiki.ubuntu.com Moin Upgrade 2011/06/16 @ 2300 UTC [09:16] I'm not seeing things? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:32] not exactly the place to ask but did kontact2/kdepim-4.6.4 or whatever it's called ever get packaged in the PPA? I've searched last few days looking for docs and am not finding anything.. it's my work machine so I don't fancy trying out the experimental PPA.. [09:32] * felimwhiteley noticed caldav is finally in akonadi \\o/ [10:15] morning [10:15] shadeslayer: WHUT o.O? [10:17] yes [10:17] i know [10:17] yofel: i must be dreaming [10:18] * shadeslayer hates his new router [10:20] felimwhiteley: we do have packages, but we're still fixing bugs in them, hopefully should be done today [10:22] yofel: ah that makes sense.. I jsut thought I was missing something.. had checked my version.. online.. saw kdepimlibs5 and thought that might be it.. anyway thanks, clears it up some more === ximion1 is now known as ximion === ximion1 is now known as ximion === ximion2 is now known as ximion === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [12:43] * Quintasan wonders why the hell he can't move slider in amarok [12:55] Quintasan: did you get your board? [12:55] nope :S [12:55] Quintasan: what happened? [12:55] Service request is pending~~ [12:55] makes me want go and fuck that discount [12:55] from freescale? [12:56] of course [12:56] thats insane [13:36] Quintasan: Do you happen to remember the names of any of the Freescale folk with whom you spoke at UDS? You might try to work around it that way. [13:36] They might not be able to help, but it beats just being annoyed :) === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [13:39] persia: I tried asking Arwen (she was handling the voucher distribution) but I couldn't somehow get a hold of her [13:40] Oh :( [13:41] Maybe it's the time zone difference but on weekends I'm usually not in bed until 4 in the morning [13:42] If that doesn't work out I can always do the procedure as if it was with no discount but I will probably have to pay something around $20 [13:43] In customs charges? [13:43] Something like this [13:43] Quintasan: just do that. We will find the cash if its an issue for you. [13:43] What I learned is that Polish customs allow only 10% discount to go through without any problems [13:44] If it's more they start making problems. [13:44] * jussi thinks the dev time is more important than a few dollars here [14:25] jussi: Meh, I'll pay up, sending the no-discount papers === NCommand1r is now known as NCommander === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [18:28] yo! [18:29] ho do I upgrade from natty to oneric aplha now? [18:32] !upgrade | sheytan [18:32] sheytan: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [18:32] sheytan: i can haz mockup? [18:32] shadeslayer for? :) [18:32] sheytan: for my GSoC project :) [18:32] which is? [18:33] sheytan: a KCM module to add/remove syncevolution configs [18:33] sheytan: like what telepathy does [18:33] sure, but not today. Need to finish my artwork for job. Propably tomorrow, k? :) [18:34] sure [18:34] np [18:34] my ff is broken [18:34] looks horrible [18:35] shadeslayer no new releases found [18:35] i want to upgrade my 11.04 to 11.10 [18:35] you need the -d flag [18:36] in do-release-upgrade ? [18:36] works ;d [18:36] yes: do-release-upgrade -d [18:36] thanks :) [18:36] sure np :) [18:36] is there the latest build of kde 4.7 too? [18:38] nope [18:38] being worked upon [18:38] how about pim? ;d [18:38] a couple of bugs are being ironed out iirc [18:39] well, i want to follow oneiric changes ;) [18:40] ok, 40 minuts of sleep until the dload is finished. Brb :D === ximion2 is now known as ximion [19:11] yofel: Do we have the newest and latest KDEPIM to test? [19:11] is in staging [19:12] need to look at it again, but if he fixed what we found yesterday it should be ready [19:12] still, needs retest [19:13] yofel: please look I will test [19:13] any test cases or just upgrade from KMail1 and see if works? [19:15] no test case I'm aware of, other than getting someone to test it that uses kmail more than I do [19:15] hm, still not fixed [19:19] well, half fixed.. === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:54] evening [20:57] hey bambee [20:57] hey! [20:57] ;) [21:03] bambee: \o === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [21:03] yofel: where do i report results of upgrade for KDEPIM 4.6? [21:03] The package is half broken shadeslayer [21:03] uh [21:03] no [21:04] Quintasan: installed fine [21:04] i haz base packages [21:04] yofel: Said something is missing [21:05] Quintasan: maybe for oneiric? i see a upload for oneiric [21:05] Why do you ask me? I didn't do that [21:06] hahaha :D [21:06] bbiab, need to test PIM [21:07] * Quintasan goes to read something and I think I'll do some 4.7 magic [21:07] voodoo magic :3 [21:07] hehe [21:07] Quintasan: what's missing? [21:07] [20:19:23] well, half fixed.. [21:08] ah, kdepim-dev was still broken, fix should've built now [21:08] checking [21:08] oh k [21:08] * Quintasan installs [21:08] staging? [21:08] k, kdepim-dev installable [21:08] right, staging [21:10] apachelogger pingi [21:11] 40 removals [21:11] wtf [21:12] reason? [21:12] moment [21:12] removing every ppa [21:13] I'll just freaking remove KDEPIM and reinstall it [21:13] well, shouldn't be necessary... [21:14] no freaking idea [21:14] apt-get upgrade [21:14] held [21:14] akregator kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime korganizer libkdepim4 [21:15] what the... [21:16] yofel: libkmbox and libakonadi-calendar4 look like resons [21:17] libakonadi-calendar4: libakonadi-kde4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) and libkcalcore4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) (UNSATISFIED) [21:17] and libkmbox libkmime4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1) (UNSATISFIED) [21:18] what akonadi do you have installed, if it's the versions you probably removed a PPA [21:19] wtf... [21:19] 4:4.6.4-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa1 installed [21:19] oh wait [21:19] works [21:20] I must have disable kubuntu-ppa [21:21] * Quintasan got a new HDD [21:21] gotta backup stuff [21:21] ^^ [21:22] My IMAP inbox is no longer there :S [21:22] so much for conversion works... [21:23] http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/930/login22.png [21:23] lookie :D [21:24] ok so [21:24] Akonadi is now sync'ing 3 years worth of mail [21:24] lets see :> [21:24] not ... imageshack again :'( [21:24] I wonder rather how to get kmail to show my mails, for some folder I have thousands of mails in there and it only shows a few [21:25] IMHO it should sync headers only [21:25] scratch that, 5 years of mail [21:25] and the offline mode is junk [21:26] yofel: offline mode is junk? [21:26] why so? [21:26] it shows my mails, but if I'm without a network connection I can't actually read anything [21:26] sure, this is IMAP, but then it should store a copy of the mail for offline usage [21:27] uhm, you need to enable disconnected mode [21:27] its under the advanced tab of the akonadi IMAP resource [21:27] shadeslayer here you are. Your quality breaker :D http://i.imgur.com/pS1A4.jpg [21:28] I did, then I told it to check for mail, waited a bit, and since it didn't seem to do anything I tried again and still couldn't read them [21:28] let's try again... [21:28] sheytan: <3 [21:28] Last messages in Kubuntu Devel ML are from march [21:28] wtf [21:28] someone plz implement that [21:28] shadeslayer put it on the ML please :) [21:29] sure [21:29] as soon as the Label gets sync'd :P [21:29] btw, i found out a cool text. it says "crApple" :D [21:29] and please someone show it to appachelogger :D [21:30] it's time for me now [21:30] so bye all :) [21:30] ok, works for NEW mails [21:30] oy sheytan it's not even midnight :P [21:30] oh wait [21:30] Quintasan i'm kinda tired from few days [21:30] need to sleep that [21:30] school <-- I was like skipping this whole week :P [21:31] * sheytan remembers the times he skipped school. <3! [21:31] but it still only shows me a waiting circle for my bugmail folder with no mails [21:31] :( [21:31] I fcking hate that mail I get from Launchpad [21:31] ok, Gnight all :) [21:32] sigh, maybe I purge my kmail setting [21:32] settings [21:32] this isn't usable... [21:32] yofel: yeah i had to purge everything [21:32] *should purge [21:32] only then did it work [21:32] kmail kept quitting [21:33] nah, it's running, but it doesn't list the mails in the folders :( [21:33] seem to wait for something, forever [21:33] *seems [21:33] * yofel is somewhat tired today -.- [21:35] It should die with fire [21:35] only 2.5 years more to go [21:35] so much for backwards compatibility [21:35] well, I've mysqld using like ~15% CPU, so it seem to do *something* [21:35] yeah [21:35] heh virtuoso is going crazy [21:37] * Quintasan leaves it running [21:38] fooey, I can't tell it to put deleted mails into my IMAP accounts Trash, they all go to LocalFolders/Trash, and the settings just say 'Trash' as location [21:38] I loathe the Trash handling i KMail [21:39] well, I remembered again why I'm using thunderbird... [21:39] and I'm still waiting it to show any of the mails in my bugmail folder (rotating circle...) [21:39] i just use the browser :P [21:40] then gmail has a usable software I guess, I don't like the old nor the new GMX online app [21:40] uh [21:41] ok i think this is a bug [21:41] open a message in the view below the list of emails [21:41] and try to drag the scrollbar [21:41] undraggable [21:41] I don't have that preview pane enabled, sec [21:41] I never understood one thing [21:42] Why the hell are Local Folders necessary? [21:42] Quintasan: system mail ? [21:42] Can't say I have ever used that [21:42] people also have system generated mail, so that gets dropped into local mail iirc [21:42] me neither [21:43] actually I manage to drag it every now and then, but right, this is broken [21:43] but thats the only logical explanation for that folder to be there [21:43] wasn't POP3 downloaded into the local folder? [21:43] * shadeslayer reports [21:43] or I'm mixing something [21:44] idk [21:44] never used POP3 [21:44] deprecated tech is deprecated [21:44] way better than imap [21:44] lol wut [21:44] lol, not only the preview, if I open the mail in another window the scrollbar isn't draggable either [21:44] tell me that when imap works as someone expects it to [21:45] works fine in thunderbird :P [21:45] Quintasan: IMAP works in thunderbird [21:45] which IMAP? there's like 5 of them now [21:45] shadeslayer: Thunderbird is not an application [21:45] it's a resource eater [21:45] what is it then? :P [21:45] ah [21:45] so is virtuoso and akonadi [21:45] right [21:46] As I said on UDS [21:46] The concept is great and all [21:46] actually I think that kmail + akonadi + virtuoso + mysqld uses more memory than thunderbird [21:46] but the execution of this sucks big time [21:46] * Quintasan purges kmail [21:46] I forgot nepomuk [21:46] Quintasan: do you know what my GSoC project is? [21:46] hmm [21:47] Nope, and TBH most of GSoC projects end up nowhere imo [21:47] Quintasan: basically deals with sync'ing PIM data onto a anything running Syncevolution [21:47] ... [21:48] Syncevolution? [21:48] What the hell is that? [21:48] Quintasan: ah yes, but the ultimate goal of my project is to have a shippable GUI at the end of the program [21:48] More like, why would a normal user care about that? [21:48] Quintasan: care about what? [21:48] syncevolution? [21:48] rather implement SecretService spec in kwallet so we can have a working ubuntuone-kde [21:48] syncevolution or whatever it is called [21:48] he wont [21:49] syncevolution doesn't have a GUI [21:49] it has a GTK GUI , not a Qt/KDE one i mean [21:49] Then WHY do we want it? [21:49] Quintasan: http://syncevolution.org/ [21:49] Quintasan: because it would be really usefull for plasma active [21:49] for tablet devices and such [21:50] Useful for Plasma Active bleh bleh bleh insert more semantic crap talk [21:50] I don't like it [21:50] No, let me rephrase it [21:50] Quintasan: notice how you can sync google contacts gets sync'd to your phone? [21:50] I don't like what I am seeing at the moment [21:50] pretty much the same thing for active [21:50] Quintasan: which is? [21:50] do we have an offline google reader app for KDE yet? implement that [21:51] the whole semantic magic stuff [21:51] NEVER worked for me === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [21:51] Quintasan: ok, one sec, lemme get that video [21:51] Like that stupid Nepomuk Search [21:51] Look, I have one directory indexed there [21:51] http://i.imgur.com/GhyeE.png [21:51] Quintasan: you haven't looked at anything what nepomuk can do till now :P [21:51] just one [21:51] but nope, it still says it's indexing the contents [21:52] Quintasan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41bmTSogA4&feature=player_embedded [21:53] Nepomuk isn't all about data indexing/searching [21:53] Quintasan: you're coming to DS right? [21:54] No idea ATM [21:54] wow cool, look nice but what's this? file searching doesnt work? [21:54] That's the basic functionality, isnt it? [21:54] nope [21:54] Quintasan: its searching inside videos [21:55] I get the feeling kmail needs to wait 1 minute / 1000 mails on mysqld to show me the folder contents [21:55] but what its actually doing is interpolating subtitle files that were added to the indexing [21:55] and when it does not find a subtitle file it scraps a list of website for subtitle files [21:55] I am not interested in that whilst File searching is not working as expected [21:56] Quintasan: i played with this app for an entire 2 days at conf.kde.in xD [21:56] Quintasan: nepomuk is not about file searching [21:56] Then let me tell you one thing [21:56] We don't have a search utility that works like a normal search utility [21:57] inb4 find [21:57] Quintasan: https://desktopsummit.org/program/sessions/think-semantically-nepomuk-and-social-semantic-desktop << attend this in case you come to DS [21:58] Cool stuff, but make it work instead of eating my resources [21:58] * Quintasan is in grumble mode [21:58] look, if I enter D&D into search [21:58] heh, that i agree with [21:58] takes up too many resources [21:58] why does Baccano light novel full text showing up in the results? [21:59] the only connection between those two is that they are under Documents/ [21:59] well .. it probably had some relation to D&D [21:59] maybe you opened them on the same day, one after the another or sth [21:59] same rating [21:59] Let me show it to you [21:59] could be anything [22:00] I didnt do any tagging at all [22:00] IDC about that because it doesnt work in a proper fashion for me [22:00] Baccano <----------------distance of relevance between those two --------------------------------------> D&D [22:01] - == 1km in real life [22:01] :P [22:01] heh [22:02] *shrug* [22:02] *shrug* [22:02] ok kde Bug 275854 reported [22:02] KDE bug 275854 in general "Cannot drag scroll bars in KMail2" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275854 [22:02] Best description for my attitude towards Nepomuk and Co ATM [22:03] heh :D [22:03] imap hogging up my entire bandwidth :( [22:03] * debfx would already be happy if dolphin supported proper file searching without indexing [22:03] like filter filename and content at the same time [22:04] that would be so much easier to implement and so much more useful than all the semantic desktop blah [22:04] Exactly. [22:05] alt + f2, kfind [22:05] :P [22:06] ^^^ :P [22:06] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/3QhC0.png [22:06] http://i.imgur.com/iXMwn.png [22:06] That's what you call working? [22:06] i don't see what the issue is [22:06] the files all contain Detroit [22:06] Detroid - oh lawd awesome, all episodes [22:07] JontheEchidna: + copy'n'paste the path from dolphin [22:07] I want to look for the Ep 02 directly [22:07] *very* user friendly [22:07] LOL NO U CAN'T [22:07] crtl + f used to launch it in dolphin [22:07] I IZ NOT SUPPORTING THAT [22:07] but that went away when the nepomuk search was put it [22:07] *in [22:07] Adding Ep 02 doesn't work? [22:07] http://i.imgur.com/HgYff.png [22:07] sup [22:08] * shadeslayer wonders why he just ssh'd into his own machine [22:08] it doesnt even work with full name [22:08] 0.o [22:09] * Quintasan takes a few deep breaths [22:09] Okay it sucks, I can somehow live without it thanks to keeping stuff organised [22:09] lol [22:10] * Quintasan wishes ppl stopped making new,useless stuff and improve the BASIC functionality [22:10] JontheEchidna: coming to the desktop summit by any chance? [22:10] nop [22:10] fooey [22:11] IT'S IN AUGUST? [22:11] lol k [22:11] shadeslayer: I will be there most likely [22:11] yep [22:11] great! :D [22:11] Are there any sponsorship stuff or I'm on my own there? [22:12] iirc they closed sponsorship , might be worth sending a email to claudia / KDE e.V. [22:13] oh well [22:13] whateverf [22:13] shadeslayer: Did you book your room already? [22:13] Quintasan: yeah, i got a room in the hostel [22:14] along with other KDE Participants and gnomies :P [22:14] * Quintasan gotta look at his calendar and stuff [22:15] ooooh .. its in 2010 now \o/ [22:17] I'll make up my mind regarding DS next week [22:18] ok :) [22:23] heh ... just noticed this : http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/16/indias-oft-delayed-35-tablet-ready-to-ship-unicorns-shed-tear/ [22:43] yofel: Quintasan i think we should mention that it would be a good idea to take a backup of PIM Data before upgrading [22:43] apart from that, everything else seems fine [22:50] night guys [22:52] nn [22:52] * Quintasan goes to bed too [23:15] unicorns shed tears of joy! [23:15] love it