[00:53] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[00:55] <uberfrau> BATi: ready? :)
[00:58]  * uberfrau shakes BATi
[00:58] <uberfrau> ;D
[01:03] <BATi> uberfrau: here... fallen asleep
[01:03] <BATi> uberfrau: 2 AM here :) so, any luck?
[01:03] <uberfrau> BATi: i just put my computer together on the floor :)
[01:05] <uberfrau> BATi: `sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' doesn't show the product info >.<
[01:05] <BATi> uberfrau: oh, okay so let's continue...
[01:06] <uberfrau> ^_^
[01:06] <BATi> uberfrau: in which stage you are? already compiled module?
[01:06] <uberfrau> lolno
[01:06] <uberfrau> you're overestimating my knowledge by a couple of orders of magnitude
[01:08] <BATi> uberfrau: oh, i see :) lsusb with wireless stick plugged in should give similiar result...
[01:08] <uberfrau> oh, i did that before, but did not record the results, will do again, sec
[01:09] <uberfrau> BATi: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 13b1:002f Linksys AE1000 v1 802.11n [Ralink RT2870]
[01:11] <BATi> uberfrau: great - same vendor and product id as in howto (13b1:002f)
[01:11] <uberfrau> BATi: mhmm
[01:12] <BATi> uberfrau: lets check if the module is not present already - "ifconfig ra0"
[01:12] <uberfrau> BATi: ra0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[01:14] <BATi> uberfrau: right... so let's download driver sources - "?t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekV5THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa05qVTFOREF6TURNME55NWllakk5UFQweU1ERXdYekV5TVRWZlVsUXpOVGN5WDB4cGJuVjRYMU5VUVY5Mk1pNDFMakF1TUM1RVVFOD1D'"
[01:14] <BATi> eh
[01:15] <BATi> uberfrau: wget -O ~/Download/RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2 'http://www.ralinktech.com/download.php?t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekV5THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa05qVTFOREF6TURNME55NWllakk5UFQweU1ERXdYekV5TVRWZlVsUXpOVGN5WDB4cGJuVjRYMU5VUVY5Mk1pNDFMakF1TUM1RVVFOD1D'
[01:15] <uberfrau> BATi: i already downloaded "Ralink_RT3572USB_drv2400.zip" earlier
[01:15] <uberfrau> should i do that command, or is what I downloaded okay?
[01:15] <BATi> uberfrau: you need THIS one... trust me...
[01:15] <uberfrau> okay
[01:18] <BATi> uberfrau: after it downloads, unpack it and enter directory - "tar -C ~/Download/ -xf ~/Download/RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2" "cd ~/Download/2010_1215_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO/"
[01:19] <uberfrau> BATi: i entered the above above and it returned: /home/sophia/Download/RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2: No such file or directory
[01:20] <BATi> uberfrau: did you execute "wget" commandline?
[01:20] <uberfrau> sophia@sophia-EP45-UD3R:~/Downloads$ wget -O ~/Download/RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2 'http://www.ralinktech.com/download.php?t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekV5THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa05qVTFOREF6TURNME55NWllakk5UFQweU1ERXdYekV5TVRWZlVsUXpOVGN5WDB4cGJuVjRYMU5VUVY5Mk1pNDFMakF1TUM1RVVFOD1D'
[01:21] <uberfrau> should i be doing it in home instead? >_>
[01:21] <uberfrau> i was already in Downloads because of the one driver file i downloaded
[01:22] <BATi> uberfrau: well it should not matter, but directory /home/sophia/Download (notice missing "s") should exist, or change it in wget commandline
[01:23] <uberfrau> o.O
[01:23] <uberfrau> add an s then, k, sec
[01:24] <uberfrau> BATi: okay, now.. unpacking_it == extraction with Ark?
[01:25] <BATi> uberfrau: better stay in commandline - "cd ~/Downloads" "tar -xf RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2"
[01:26] <uberfrau> err
[01:26] <uberfrau> it does a readline prompt
[01:26] <uberfrau> oh
[01:26] <uberfrau> you meant to quote them to separate them as commands
[01:27] <BATi> uberfrau: I mean first cd into Downloads, then unpack with tar -xf ....
[01:27] <uberfrau> yes
[01:27] <uberfrau> but
[01:28] <uberfrau> tar: This does not look like a tar archive; bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.;tar: Child returned status 2;tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[01:30] <BATi> uberfrau: uh... found the problem - ratech moved the file somewhere elsewhere, so what you have is file with "ERROR: File not found." in it :) lemme find the right URL...
[01:30] <uberfrau> BATi: okay, thank you. sorry i'm so incompetent at linux stuff, i won't be soon, taking an intro to UNIX class starting in 5 days >_>
[01:32] <BATi> uberfrau: no problem... this one was my mistake, not checking file beforehand...
[01:35] <BATi> uberfrau: okay... URL is http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2&p=0&t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXhMekEwTHpJM0wyUnZkMjVzYjJGa056RXhOamcyTXpRMk9DNWllakk5UFQweU1ERXhYekEwTWpkZlVsUXpOVGN5WDB4cGJuVjRYMU5VUVY5Mk1pNDFMakF1TUM1RVVFOD1D  ... you need to download it manually into your "Downloads" folder 'cause ralinktech added a licence acceptance...
[01:37] <uberfrau> k, downloading
[01:37] <uberfrau> internet speeds here are not impressive lol, 80 kbps download
[01:37] <uberfrau> i'll have to download some music so i'm not streaming it
[01:39] <uberfrau> i immediately tried the same tar command as above but it returned the same error message
[01:40] <BATi> uberfrau: :))) nevermind... after it downloads, back to commandline, cd into Downloads na better verify if file is there by "ls -la"... you should have file 2011_0427_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2 there
[01:40] <BATi> na = and
[01:41] <uberfrau> 2011_0427_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0 yesh
[01:41] <BATi> uberfrau: hoooray! :) so "tar -xf 2011_0427_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.bz2"
[01:42] <BATi> uberfrau: "cd 2011_0427_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO"
[01:43] <uberfrau> BATi: okay, now what, i'm in that directory
[01:43] <BATi> uberfrau: now the real work begins :) "sed -ir -e 's/^HAS_WPA_SUPPLICANT=n/HAS_WPA_SUPPLICANT=y/' -e 's/^HAS_NATIVE_WPA_SUPPLICANT_SUPPORT=n/HAS_NATIVE_WPA_SUPPLICANT_SUPPORT=y/' ./os/linux/config.mk"
[01:44] <uberfrau> i pasted that in and hit enter, no return message for me? ;o
[01:45] <BATi> uberfrau: nope, sed did the work, sed gets return message :)))
[01:45] <BATi> uberfrau: "sed -ir -e 's!^#endif // RT2870 //!        {USB_DEVICE(0x13B1,0x002F)}, /* Linksys AE 1000 */\n#endif // RT2870 //!' ./common/rtusb_dev_id.c"
[01:46] <uberfrau> btw, in cmdline strings, do trailing spaces or spaces in between commands matter?
[01:46] <rww> no
[01:46] <uberfrau> cool
[01:47] <Magnusson_> lol BATi, still at it i see
[01:47] <uberfrau> Magnusson_: are you from like Norway?
[01:47] <BATi> uberfrau: we are gonna mess with function names: "sed -ir -e 's/\tusb_buffer_alloc/\tusb_alloc_coherent/' -e 's/\tusb_buffer_free/\tusb_free_coherent/' include/os/rt_linux.h"
[01:47] <Magnusson_> uberfrau>lol i wish, i get that question an average of once every 5 mins :)
[01:48] <BATi> Magnusson_: oh yeah... almost 3AM here and still alive... well, half alive :)
[01:48] <uberfrau> Magnusson_: it's a very Norwegian name...
[01:48] <uberfrau> or NW Germany
[01:48] <uberfrau> but definitely more Scandinavian
[01:48] <Magnusson_> uberfrau>yep so i was informed years ago after i'd created it hah
[01:49] <Magnusson_> yep yep, i usually get asked if i'm from sweden
[01:49] <uberfrau> years O_O
[01:49] <uberfrau> no, Swedes have even stranger names ;D
[01:49] <uberfrau> so BATi, anything else? ;d
[01:49] <szal> "son" rather points to Sweden; Danish and Norwegian names are more likely to end in "sen"
[01:49] <uberfrau> szal: good point
[01:49] <uberfrau> but "Magnus" is very Norwegian to my ears
[01:50] <BATi> uberfrau: sure - "make && sudo make install", if you pasted all sed cmdlines I sent ya :)
[01:51] <uberfrau> BATi: i prefer that, it gives me output ;)
[01:52] <BATi> uberfrau: well, that is sed - all quiet until sh*t happens :)))
[01:52] <uberfrau> okay, the make cmd is complete...
[01:53] <BATi> uberfrau: even the "sudo make install" part? no errors?
[01:54] <uberfrau> BATi: i didn't see any errors, would it be at the end of output?
[01:55] <BATi> uberfrau: yep... let's do a quick check - "ls -la /etc/Wireless/RT2870STA/"
[01:56] <uberfrau> i assume the radioactive green thing is what we want: RT2870STA.dat
[01:57] <BATi> uberfrau: yeah... :) let's make sure everything works after reboot - "sudo su -c "echo -e 'alias ra0 rt3572sta\nblacklist rt2800usb' > /etc/modprobe.d/rt3572sta.conf""
[01:58] <uberfrau> BATi: it gave no return value
[01:59] <BATi> uberfrau: good... now check output of "lsmod", if it contains any names like rt2870sta, rt2800usb, rt2860sta, rt2x00usb, rt2x00lib, rt2870sta
[02:01] <szal> sudo lsmod | grep -i rt2
[02:01] <uberfrau> BATi: http://www.pastie.org/private/zzclgpculp0pvt1qldrrfa
[02:02] <uberfrau> szal: that cmd returned nothing
[02:02] <szal> uberfrau: iow, no such modules loaded
[02:03] <BATi> uberfrau: okay... so try to load the module you've built - "sudo modprobe ra0"
[02:03] <uberfrau> k, sec
[02:04] <uberfrau> k, now?
[02:04] <uberfrau> it gave no return value or anything, also
[02:04] <BATi> uberfrau: I hope you did have the usb stick plugged in during all that messing with lsmod, did you?
[02:04] <uberfrau> BATi: it's been plugged in the whole time o.o
[02:05] <BATi> uberfrau: that's ok, now we can try "ifconfig ra0" again
[02:05] <uberfrau> device not found -___-
[02:06] <BATi> uberfrau: ok.. "sudo lsmod | grep -i rt2"
[02:06] <uberfrau> i hope it's okay that i have it plugged into a USB on the front of my comp, i don't think it matters though, as the lsmod cmds and such show all USB slots
[02:06] <uberfrau> sure, sec
[02:06] <uberfrau> no return value
[02:07] <BATi> uberfrau: ok.. "sudo lsmod | grep -i ra"
[02:08] <uberfrau> snd_rawmidi            22207  1 snd_seq_midi
[02:08] <uberfrau> snd_seq_device          6912  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[02:08] <uberfrau> snd                    64181  11 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[02:08] <uberfrau> should have stuck that in pastie, sorry
[02:08] <BATi> uberfrau: right... try to unplug the stick and plug it back in...
[02:09] <uberfrau> BATi: and?
[02:10] <uberfrau> it gave the same return value
[02:10] <uberfrau> ;s
[02:10] <BATi> uberfrau: and check lsmod again...
[02:10] <uberfrau> for a 'ra' item?
[02:11] <BATi> uberfrau: ra and rt2
[02:11] <uberfrau> ra returns the same as before, rt2 returns nothing
[02:11] <uberfrau> did i do something wrong? maybe the usb was too loose? D:
[02:12] <BATi> uberfrau: well, check output of dmesg if kernel sees the stick
[02:14] <uberfrau> http://www.pastie.org/private/zzclgpculp0pvt1qldrrfa
[02:14] <uberfrau> hopefully that is the relevant part of the message
[02:16] <BATi> uberfrau: ok...  now check /var/log/kern.log
[02:17] <uberfrau> just input that?
[02:17] <uberfrau> because when i did...'permission denied' >.>
[02:18] <htc> test
[02:18] <BATi> uberfrau: eh... better with "less /var/log/kern.log" and after it loads, press "shift+g" to go to end of that file.... or use "tail /var/log/kern.log"
[02:19] <szal> BATi: the End key will do for that
[02:19] <uberfrau> and i'm looking for? >.<
[02:21] <BATi> uberfrau: anything which contain ra0, ralinktech or rt3xxxx
[02:22] <BATi> szal: jeebus, nitpicker :)
[02:25] <uberfrau> http://www.pastie.org/private/zzclgpculp0pvt1qldrrfa bash errors? o.o
[02:28] <BATi> uberfrau: eh, you've pasted part of that log into shell :)
[02:28] <BATi> uberfrau: tail should be safer
[02:28] <uberfrau> BATi: o.o?
[02:29] <uberfrau> unexpected token: \n
[02:29] <uberfrau> why would it care if it strips spaces and stuff, it doesn't strip \n?
[02:30] <BATi> uberfrau: because for some reason you are trying to interpret a line from logfile in shell, which is generally not a good idea :)
[02:30] <uberfrau> BATi: i don't understand what error i made ;s
[02:31] <BATi> uberfrau: nevermind... close konsole and open a new one...
[02:31] <uberfrau> k :X
[02:33] <BATi> uberfrau: in clean new console do "tail /var/log/kern.log"
[02:34] <uberfrau> and? >.>
[02:34] <uberfrau> Jun 15 18:03:55 sophia-EP45-UD3R kernel: [ 4256.533354] rtusb init rt2870 --->
[02:36] <BATi> uberfrau: hmm and lsmod still does not mention anything about rt2870?
[02:37] <uberfrau> BATi: no D:
[02:37]  * BATi is stumped... and using only half of brain doesn't help it...
[02:39] <BATi> uberfrau: type "ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/", does it mention rt3572sta.ko?
[02:40] <uberfrau> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1034411 2011-06-15 17:52 rt3572sta.ko
[02:41] <BATi> uberfrau: ok... "cat /etc/modprobe.d/rt3572sta.conf", does it have a line with alias and blacklist?
[02:41] <uberfrau> BATi: yesh
[02:42] <BATi> uberfrau: I mean two lines, one with alias other with blacklist...
[02:43] <uberfrau> BATi: i know, and yes
[02:46] <uberfrau> o______o
[02:46] <BATi> uberfrau: right...  can you add lines with blacklist for rt2870sta, rt2800usb, rt2860sta, rt2x00usb and rt2x00lib?
[02:46] <uberfrau> what, put "blacklist rtXXXXxxx" for each of them?
[02:47] <BATi> uberfrau: yep
[02:47] <uberfrau> blacklist is not a cmd, so i hope that isn't what you mean ;x
[02:48] <BATi> uberfrau: that .conf file is a config file for command "modprobe", which accepts blacklist as it's internal command...
[02:49] <uberfrau> o_o
[02:49]  * uberfrau is just getting confused, so 'blacklist rtXXXXxxx' is *not* what i'm supposed to enter?
[02:51]  * uberfrau swears she isn't trolling :S
[02:52] <BATi> uberfrau: okay this will be better "sudo su -c "echo -e 'alias ra0 rt3572sta\nblacklist rt2800usb\nblacklist rt2870sta\nblacklist rt2800usb\nblacklist rt2860sta\nblacklist rt2x00usb\nblacklist rt2x00lib' > /etc/modprobe.d/rt3572sta.conf""
[02:53] <uberfrau> okay, now?
[02:54] <BATi> uberfrau: moment, checking something...
[02:55] <uberfrau> sure :o
[03:00] <BATi> hmmm
[03:01] <BATi> uberfrau: just for a test, try "sudo modprobe rt3572sta"
[03:01] <uberfrau> BATi: no return value
[03:02] <BATi> uberfrau: and something changed in lsmod? like line with rt3572sta appeared?
[03:03] <uberfrau> BATi: no such line appeared when i just tried lsmod
[03:07] <BATi> uberfrau: well... can you try to reboot, just for sake of completness?
[03:08] <uberfrau> BATi: i can, should i check to see if it works without a reboot first? ;D
[03:10] <BATi> uberfrau: well it obviously does not work :) and a quick check with "sudo ifconfig ra0 up" should prove it :)
[03:17] <uberfrau> BATi: nope D:
[03:19] <BATi> uberfrau: not even "sudo ifconfig ra0 up"?
[03:19] <uberfrau> ra0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[03:19] <uberfrau> what did i do wrong? :(
[03:21] <BATi> uberfrau: well, in fact you did everything perfect - which can be proven by existence of rt3572.ko and the .dat files...
[03:21] <uberfrau> so what now? :s
[03:22] <BATi> uberfrau: okay, try "sudo depmod -a" and then "sudo modprobe ra0"
[03:23] <uberfrau> was the 2nd cmd supposed to return something? :x
[03:23] <BATi> uberfrau: nope
[03:23] <uberfrau> oh, okay then :)
[03:23] <uberfrau> now what?
[03:24] <BATi> uberfrau: "ifconfig ra0" :)
[03:24] <uberfrau> device not found :x
[03:26] <BATi> uberfrau: "cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/" and then "sudo /sbin/insmod rt3572sta.ko"
[03:26] <uberfrau> BATi: insmod: error inserting 'rt3572sta.ko': -1 File exists
[03:27] <BATi> aha!
[03:27] <BATi> uberfrau: "lsmod" check, please :)
[03:28] <uberfrau> BATi: i'm not seeing anything new >.<
[03:29] <uberfrau> WAIT
[03:29] <uberfrau> BATi: rt3572sta             644684  0
[03:29] <uberfrau>  o_o?
[03:30] <BATi> uberfrau: and "ifconfig ra0"?
[03:30] <uberfrau> ra0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[03:30] <uberfrau> :|
[03:30] <BATi> AAAAAAAAARGH
[03:32] <uberfrau> what can we do to troubleshoot? >.>
[03:33] <uberfrau> BATi: do you have Teamviewer?
[03:33] <uberfrau> may be quicker if you want to mess around x.x
[03:33] <BATi> uberfrau: nope, no teamviewer here...
[03:34] <uberfrau> x.x
[03:34] <uberfrau> so troubleshooting? >.<
[03:35] <BATi> uberfrau: downloading teamviewer...
[03:35] <uberfrau> BATi: me too o.o
[03:35] <uberfrau> i just figure it would be way faster
[03:35] <BATi> uberfrau: certainly :)
[03:36] <uberfrau> i'm at 15percent
[03:36] <uberfrau> internet is slowwww
[03:36] <BATi> uberfrau: heh, you should be on my side - CDMA connection only...
[03:37] <uberfrau> going to kitchen, may be a while ;x
[03:38] <BATi> uberfrau: installed...
[03:43] <uberfrau> i'm only at 66% BATi
[03:44] <BATi> uberfrau: ok, poke me when ready :)
[03:54] <uberfrau> BATi: okay, they gave wine, WINE updated, and the download is complete
[03:54] <uberfrau> :)
[03:55] <BATi> uberfrau: and your id is?
[04:56]  * KhanFused is live-CD testing kubuntu 11.04 pending blowing away v9.10 ... the 'additional drivers' control in v11 says 'no proprietary drivers in use' -- when every version before has detected an NVidia graphics card... has an open-source driver been merged into (k)ubuntu v11.04?
[04:57] <KhanFused> I think a graphics card issue was why the 10.10 live CDs would freeze on my after a few minutes of use
[05:06] <BATi> uberfrau: so? does it work?
[05:06] <uberfrau> BATi: i'm retarded and can't get it to work :|
[05:07] <BATi> uberfrau: what is the problem? system cannot find wireless again?
[05:07] <uberfrau> BATi: it sees the network, but i simply can't get it to work
[05:07] <uberfrau> i've never done wireless stuff in Linux before, can you try it? :\
[05:07] <BATi> uberfrau: sure
[05:08] <Andreas_> where do i find official help channel
[05:09] <DarthFrog> Andreas_: For what?
[05:10] <Andreas_> general help --more specific with my network
[05:10] <SIR_Taco> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38327/broadcom-bcm4311-wireless-not-working
[05:10] <DarthFrog> Andreas_: For Windows?
[05:10] <Andreas_> ubuntu
[05:11] <DarthFrog> Andreas_:  You want #ubuntu
[05:17] <SIR_Taco> I'm still upset that Vancouver lost
[05:38] <SIR_Taco> ok, time for bed, good night
[05:39] <aaronth> loving the KDE life
[05:56] <uberfrau> okay guys, BATi helped me get my driver installed, can someone else help me get the connection to work? :3
[06:06] <iulia> hello,everybody.could I reinstal ubuntuand keep my home directory?I lost the sound and I thought the simplest method would be to reinstal ubuntu
[06:14] <uberfrau> anyone? >.<
[06:22] <iulia> hello,everybody.could I reinstal ubuntuand keep my home directory?I lost the sound and I thought the simplest method would be to reinstal ubuntu
[06:23] <ryan_> did u reformat ur whole drive?
[06:24] <ryan_> and lost sound?
[06:25] <ryan_> but the answer is no
[06:25] <ryan_> u can install a doul boot and run ur other partition to retrieve ur stuff
[06:30] <iulia> My HDD was full and the I lost sound.I deleted some stuff,but the sound did not come back
[06:30] <iulia> then*
[06:31] <ryan_> that don't make sence
[06:31] <ryan_> were u playn with other things?
[06:32] <iulia> no,not at all
[06:32] <ryan_> full hdd don't= dead sound
[06:32] <ryan_> hmm
[06:32] <iulia> but some error mesages appeared on the screen
[06:32] <ryan_> oh?
[06:32] <ryan_> what does it read?
[06:33] <iulia> ok,so you are saying the two things have nothing to do with each other
[06:33] <iulia> ok
[06:33] <ryan_> usually no
[06:33] <iulia> thanks
[06:33] <ryan_> full hdd's don 't make failures in operations
[06:34] <ryan_> just in operations of hdd needed apps
[06:35] <iulia> then,what could I check to make the sound come back?
[07:30] <noaXess> morning
[07:33] <uberfrau> wireless help? :)
[07:38] <noaXess> normaly in konsole or everywhere you can select a text, single klick  and then with left/right klick paste the selected text anywhere.. but on my kubuntu this won't work.. any idea to enable it?
[07:38] <noaXess> uberfrau: wlan help.. aks so we see if we canhelp :)
[07:40] <uberfrau> noaXess: just trying to get wireless connection to work, BATi helped me install driver for my wireless network adapter (Linksys AE1000), but idk how to make it work from here :/
[07:40] <noaXess> ubso the wlan card works but no connection?
[07:44] <LINKSWORD2> DarkwingDuck: Greetings...
[07:50] <uberfrau> noaXess: i don't know how to connect to the network :|
[07:51] <noaXess> uberfrau: you work on kubuntu, right? what about trying with networkmanager applet?
[07:52] <uberfrau> noaXess: that's what i've been doing, but it's somewhat complicated by the fact that i cannot see the whole applet because my monitor is defective and part of the screen is non-visible
[07:57] <noaXess> uberfrau: aha... more problem than only wlan ;)
[07:57] <uberfrau> noaXess: my problem is at the 'waiting for authorization' stage
[07:59] <noaXess> uberfrau: i normally use wicd app for wlan... you can install it and need to remove this packages: network-manager
[07:59] <uberfrau> http://i.imgur.com/IihXc.png
[07:59] <noaXess> uberfrau: i do it always like this:   sudo apt-get purge network-manager and after that if all is done > sudo apt-get install wicd
[07:59] <uberfrau> noaXess: o_O? elaborate please
[08:00] <noaXess> uberfrau: your wlan accesspoint uses WEP?
[08:00] <LINKSWORD2> uberfrau: I like your backgrounds in that screenshot.
[08:00] <uberfrau> noaXess: idk, how do i check
[08:00] <noaXess> so wait with my info about wicd
[08:00] <uberfrau> LINKSWORD2: thanks
[08:01] <noaXess> uberfrau: see the screenshot
[08:01] <LINKSWORD2> How did you get it like that?
[08:01] <uberfrau> o_O like what
[08:01] <uberfrau> i just downloaded it, it's a really good screenshot
[08:01] <uberfrau> not sure where it's from, but if i didn't rename it i can give the name to you so you can look for it
[08:02] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, sure.
[08:02] <LINKSWORD2> Or you could upload it and I can download it... Of course, when you have time.
[08:03] <uberfrau> neaXess: my roomies would have no idea what WEP or any of these acronyms are, so idk
[08:03] <noaXess> uber check your wlan settings.. i see on your screenshot that security is WEP... check your accesspoint settings
[08:03] <uberfrau> with what cmd?
[08:03] <noaXess> uberfrau: directly on the access point...
[08:03] <noaXess> uberfrau: it's your acess point?
[08:03] <uberfrau> noaXess: do you mean the physical modem?
[08:04] <noaXess> uberfrau: maybe.. if this is also used for wlan
[08:04]  * uberfrau has no idea
[08:04] <uberfrau> wlan == wireless? >_>
[08:04] <noaXess> uberfrau: you have to check the "what ever" modem/router where the wlan is configured...
[08:05] <noaXess> uberfrau: yes.. wlan = wireless lan
[08:05] <uberfrau> i see
[08:05] <uberfrau> what should i be looking for? :)
[08:06] <noaXess> uberfrau: how are you connected now?
[08:07] <noaXess> over cable/lan?
[08:09] <uberfrau> i'm like 2 feet from the modem, yes
[08:09] <uberfrau> so cable
[08:09] <uberfrau> trying to get wireless adapter to work so i can move machine into my room, instead of middle of living room on the floor
[08:10] <noaXess> uberfrau: go into konsole and enter this command: route
[08:10] <noaXess> and then press enter..
[08:10] <noaXess> screenshot please ;)
[08:13] <uberfrau> noaXess: here, faster than SS: http://www.pastie.org/private/odaxsumtdhg6pvkq3owog
[08:13] <noaXess> uberfrau: ok your router is 192.168.0.1.. now try to connect to that IP over your browser/firefox..
[08:13] <noaXess> uberfrau: what brand is your router?
[08:14] <uberfrau> noaXess, sec
[08:16] <uberfrau> noaXess: motorola, and idk how to connect to that address through firefox o_O like what do you mean?
[08:16] <uberfrau> just copy+paste it in to the address bar?
[08:16] <noaXess> uberfrau: http://192.168.0.1
[08:16] <noaXess> yes
[08:16] <noaXess> or klick ^
[08:17] <uberfrau> it has Qwest modem setup page
[08:17] <uberfrau> wat do
[08:17] <noaXess> uberfrau: puh... hm... don't need a password?
[08:18] <uberfrau> nope, just took me to modem configuration page with some icons
[08:18] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[08:18] <noaXess> uberfrau: so search anything about wlan/wireless or like that
[08:21] <uberfrau> noaXess: wow, i have access to change the key and stuff, i better tell them not to let anyone they don't trust use a laptop here -_-
[08:21] <uberfrau> lol Macusers
[08:23] <LINKSWORD2> Hehe...
[08:23] <uberfrau> noaXess: i think i'm connected now; how do i check to make sure without disconnecting my wired connection?
[08:24] <noaXess> uberfrau: hm... what settings now? screenshot of your kubuntu wlan settings
[08:24] <uberfrau> noaXess: do route again, or what? :\
[08:25] <uberfrau> or do you just want 'network connections' open
[08:25] <noaXess> uberfrau: jep
[08:25] <uberfrau> the latter? -_-
[08:25] <noaXess> jep
[08:26] <uberfrau> if it says 'wlan interface' in the top left corner, does that mean i'm connected wirelessly?
[08:27] <noaXess> uber not really
[08:27] <noaXess> uberfrau: to test.. just unplug your lan cable :)...
[08:27] <uberfrau> lol...
[08:27] <uberfrau> fine, sec
[08:27] <noaXess> if wlan is connected you chouls see something like a wlan symbol in systray.. near your clock
[08:28] <noaXess> should ^
[08:38] <uberfrau1> problem fixed
[08:39] <uberfrau1> except for the uberfrau1 part D:
[08:46] <emilsedgh> has Kubuntu stopped shipping a netbook edition?
[08:53] <Shah> \s,
[09:00] <vasylii> Привет
[09:01] <vasylii> Нужен хелп. никак не хочет подключаться к скрытому ssid kubuntu 11.04
[09:02] <vasylii> переход на wicd не помогает
[09:03] <Unit193> !ru
[09:05] <Shah> #ubuntu
[09:14] <amichair> does kubuntu use the ubuntu fonts by default on a clean installation?
[09:28] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm.... I may need help....
[09:29] <LINKSWORD2> DarkwingDuck: I don't suppose you're awake...
[09:48] <artlaber> hi everyone!!
[09:48] <artlaber> i need some help, could you please help me?
[09:48] <uberfrau> DEPENDS
[09:49] <artlaber> the thing is that i'm using kubuntu and ubuntu on my laptop (acer aspire 4740g) and not so long ago i found out that it kills my hdd...
[09:49] <artlaber> the thing is that if i don't touch any hdparm -B param - the temperature rizes till 60 celsium...
[09:50] <artlaber> if i set hdparm -B 252 or lower - the load cycle grows like hell
[09:50] <artlaber> in 2 minutes on 40 points
[09:50] <artlaber> is there any way not to kill my hdd and not to overheat it?
[09:56] <LINKSWORD2> Shut down the computer when you're not using it.
[09:56] <LINKSWORD2> :P
[09:57] <artlaber> damn you are guru of iT :)
[09:58] <artlaber> but u know it's not that funny...my previous laptop burned to hell )) i don't wanna get the same thing with this one
[09:59] <uberfrau> artlaber: if you use laptop just at home, maybe one of those cooling fan platforms? :3
[10:02] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I'm signing off and shutting down for the night.
[10:02] <LINKSWORD2> Later!
[10:04] <wildgoose> artlaber, Does the cooling fan kick on?
[10:04] <mamo> salut a tous
[10:05] <artlaber> sure it does... i've got bios that can't disable the fan and no software controll available... the notebook is fresh only 2 month old
[10:05] <mamo> je cherche d'executer un script a la fermeture d'une session
[10:07] <wildgoose> mamo, #ubuntu-fr
[10:07] <uberfrau> wildgoose: does that chan have many users? :P
[10:08] <wildgoose> uberfrau, ~200, not too bad
[10:08] <uberfrau> i see ^_^
[10:08] <uberfrau> i was expecting like
[10:08] <uberfrau> 11 ;D
[10:09] <wildgoose> me too, so I checked before I sent mamo
[10:09] <uberfrau> ^_^
[10:10] <uberfrau> so, are IRC people super nice, or is it just linux IRC people o.O
[10:17] <artlaber> anybody... please :)... what is the normal value of hdd temperature in working state on laptop in Summer? what are optimal borders of load cycle change per day? thanks in advance
[10:22] <toumbo> Hi to all!!Can I  change between diferent desktop in kubuntu natty as I do in ubuntu natty?How can I do this?
[10:24] <amichair> artlaber: dunno about laptops in the summer, but my desktop hdds are usually somewhere between 35-48 deg celsius or so
[12:32] <iolo> Hello. What is the "kde-native" application (or applet) to manage ( wireless) connections on KDE? Is it the network-manager-kde package in Ubuntu?
[12:35] <PiotrN> network manager is "kde-native" :) it's fully integrated
[12:42] <mohamed> je cherche de lancer un script a la fermeture d'une session, Merci
[12:42] <mohamed> je cherche de lancer un script a la fermeture d'une session, Merci
[12:46] <iolo> Thank you, PiotrN. Is it installed by default? Or in what package is it included? I installed Ubuntu first, then did a apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop to install just the bare minimum.
[12:46] <szal> !fr | mohamed
[12:47] <PiotrN> iolo: i'm not sure if it would be installed like that, but you can add it, just make sure to add related comonents (like plasma widgets ect)
[12:55] <mohamed> je cherche de lancer un script a la fermeture d'une session, Merci
[12:56] <mohamed> je cherche de lancer un script a la fermeture d'une session, Merci
[12:59] <szal> mohamed:  -> #ubuntu-fr
[12:59] <szal> for the 2nd time
[12:59] <szal> and don't repeat yourself
[14:22] <scotta> salve
[14:23] <chris____> can anyone help with a KDE problem?
[14:24] <chris____> I installed the ubuntu-display interface to try it out. Now I'm stuck with the Gnome interface and can't revert back to the KDE one
[14:24] <chris____> I've been looking on forums, but no dice
[14:25] <scotta> to start a application without password (alias firestarter)
[14:25] <scotta> ???
[14:26] <scotta> username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter ??
[14:28] <scotta> help me
[14:33] <basy> Is it possible to configure 1xPC with 2xmonitor, 2xmouse 2xkeyboard to have 2 separated X11 session, each use one display, mouse and keyboard... I want to have something like virtual 2 computers on 1 hardware.. How to config this ? I am on kubuntu, but which chanel i have to ask this question?
[14:36] <basy> Is it about Section "ServerLayout" in xorg.conf ??
[14:48] <jonshaw> hello
[14:49] <jonshaw> I'm having problems installing a couple of games on kubuntu and wondering if anybody is familiar with Heroes Of Newerth and Savage2 on Kubuntu 11.04?
[14:49] <jonshaw> They both fail with she same error
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[14:49] <jonshaw> (<unknown>:2398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_text_attributes_ref: assertion `values != NULL' failed
[14:49] <jonshaw> (<unknown>:2398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_text_attributes_ref: assertion `values != NULL' failed
[14:49] <FloodBotK2> jonshaw: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:50] <jonshaw> sry for flood
[16:18] <jonshaw> Does ANYBODY know how to get games to run on Kubuntu????
[16:18] <jonshaw> It seems anything I download and try to install just will not install with the same error every time
[16:25] <Peace-> jonshaw: what?
[16:25] <Peace-> which game?
[16:26] <jonshaw> Heroes Of Newerth, Savage2, Steel Storm...
[16:26] <jonshaw> It doesn't seem to matter, the installer fails.
[16:26] <Peace-> jonshaw: wtf they are exe?
[16:26] <Peace-> or windows only?
[16:26] <Peace-> xD
[16:27] <jonshaw> sigh... no they're not exe's
[16:27] <jonshaw> they are the linux versions
[16:28] <Peace-> which is the eorr?
[16:28] <Peace-> error?
[16:28] <jonshaw> they all segfault
[16:28] <Peace-> jonshaw: paste the correct error.
[16:29] <Peace-> i mean the error or i will not help you.
[16:29] <jonshaw> just a sec
[16:29] <Tm_T> !ohmy | Peace-
[16:29] <jonshaw> For HoN or Savage2 I get the same error:
[16:30] <Peace-> Tm_T: ok leave
[16:30] <Peace-> i leave
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[16:30] <jonshaw> (<unknown>:2398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_text_attributes_ref: assertion `values != NULL' failed
[16:30] <jonshaw> Segmentation fault
[16:30] <Tm_T> Peace-: I'm not asking you to leave, just donät use that three letter acronym you did earlier
[16:32] <Tm_T> jonshaw: hmm, so installer is segfaulting, does the installer have some debug switch so it would provide more information what is happening?
[16:34] <jonshaw> Not that I know of
[16:36] <jonshaw> It has to be some kind of Gtk/gnome or 32bit dependency issue but I can't find any help
[16:37] <Tm_T> jonshaw: I'm not that convinced that it is necessarily gtk/gnome dependency issue
[16:38] <jonshaw> Its pretty annoying... the only games that work are directly from the repositories... Its incredibly frustrating and annoying when you download demos of games that simply wont install
[16:39] <jonshaw> games makers don't seem to understand: "must work for user"
[16:39] <jonshaw> Its just ridiculous, you download several games and none of them will install
[16:40] <jonshaw> and they're supposed to be the linux versions...
[16:40] <DarthFrog> jonshaw:  game makers understand "must work for whomever signs the cheque". :-)
[16:40] <jonshaw> well... if the demo doesn't work, users aren't so likely to pay for the full version are they...
[16:40] <Peace-> jonshaw: have you ati ?
[16:40] <jonshaw> Peace-: no, nvidia
[16:40] <Peace-> jonshaw: driver open or other?
[16:41] <jonshaw> other
[16:41] <Peace-> jonshaw: it semes a video card issue i guess it's the driver
[16:41] <jonshaw> how do you figure its a video card issue when the installer wont even run
[16:41] <Peace-> jonshaw: could you try to use the standard driver?
[16:41] <Peace-> jonshaw: because it's 4 year i use linux?
[16:41] <Peace-> xD
[16:42] <jonshaw> I currently have other games installed and working fine like Nexuiz and Amnesia: The Dark Descent
[16:42] <Peace-> well that doesn't mean that game has issue with the driver of your invidia
[16:42] <Peace-> *has not
[16:42] <Tm_T> segfault doesn't hint anything towards graphics drivers
[16:43] <Peace-> i have found a topic.
[16:43] <jonshaw> there's no error coming up relating to graphics issues
[16:43] <Peace-> with an ati changin driver fixed the situation.
[16:43] <Peace-> ok fix by yourself then :)
[16:43] <jonshaw> I'm not fixing something that isn't broken
[16:44] <Tm_T> Peace-: what did the changing drivers fix? as in, could you post the topic so we could see the context
[16:44] <Peace-> it0s not on english
[16:44] <jonshaw> changing drivers when my current ones work fine isn't an option
[16:45] <jonshaw> other games work fine
[16:45] <Tm_T> Peace-: still
[16:45] <jonshaw> Nexuiz is quite demanding and I can run the game with everything on high with a very good frame rate
[16:46] <jonshaw> If I had a graphics driver issue I'm pretty sure I'd know by now
[16:46] <Peace-> well kde is well know had some problem with nvidia
[16:46] <Peace-> known  to have
[16:46] <Tm_T> jonshaw: unfortunately the driver issue isn't that simple, but I can't remember seeing drivers causing segfaults
[16:47] <jonshaw> me neither
[16:59] <jonshaw> If I try to install Heroes Of Newerth as root the installer starts but says the game must be installed as a normal user and you are only given an "ok" option to quit
[17:23] <Quintasan> jonshaw: Then install it as an normal user
[17:24] <jonshaw> Quintasan: it fails
[17:24] <Quintasan> jonshaw: Any error messagE?
[17:24] <jonshaw> I posted it earlier
[17:24] <jonshaw> the installer fails in normal user mode
[17:25] <Quintasan> (<unknown>:2398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_text_attributes_ref: assertion `values != NULL' failed
[17:25] <Quintasan> this?
[17:25] <Quintasan> brb
[17:26] <jonshaw> yes
[17:27] <Quintasan> jonshaw: Can you pastebin the whole log from installator output?
[17:28] <jonshaw> everything I posted earlier is everything it gave me
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[17:29] <jonshaw> (<unknown>:2398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_text_attributes_ref: assertion `values != NULL' failed
[17:29] <jonshaw> Segmentation fault
[17:29] <Quintasan> jonshaw: HoNClient-2.0.21.sh ?
[17:30] <jonshaw> 2.0.29.1
[17:30] <Quintasan> jonshaw: google yields that you should try the following command in a separate folder -> unzip HoNClient-2.0.29.1.sh
[17:31] <Quintasan> and then move out data/ folder somewhere
[17:31] <Quintasan> Unfortunately I can't find any other solution for that
[17:32] <jonshaw> unzip doesn't work
[17:33] <jonshaw> unzip:  cannot find or open HoNClient-2.0.29.sh, HoNClient-2.0.29.sh.zip or HoNClient-2.0.29.sh.ZIP.
[17:33] <jonshaw> I've heard people saying that but I don't know how they're unzipping/extracting a sh file
[17:33] <Quintasan> jonshaw: You told me it's 2.0.29.1
[17:34] <jonshaw> oh
[17:34] <jonshaw> typo
[17:34] <jonshaw> ;P
[17:34] <jonshaw> getting a data folder now
[17:35] <Quintasan> jonshaw: cd to it and try
[17:35] <Quintasan> ./hon.sh
[17:35] <Quintasan> Should work
[17:35] <Quintasan> jonshaw: I'm up for a match if you want :)
[17:35] <jonshaw> trying it now
[17:36] <jonshaw> IT WORKS
[17:36] <jonshaw> omg
[17:36] <jonshaw> :D
[17:36] <FloodBotK2> jonshaw: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:37]  * jonshaw looks at FloodBotK2
[17:37] <Quintasan> Urgh, persistent as usual
[17:37] <jonshaw> ty Quintasan
[17:37] <Quintasan> No problem :)
[17:37] <jonshaw> I don't have an account yet, have to make one
[17:50] <sithlord48> does anyone know how to find out what bus a block device is on?
[18:59] <ashwin> i closed the plasma widget that shows desktop items .How can i open it?
[19:10] <ashwin> 270 users and no reply?
[19:12] <BATi> ashwin: no reply is a reply too :)))) which widget do you mean? folder view?
[19:12] <ashwin> yes
[19:13] <ashwin> which shows items in home/desktop
[19:14] <BATi> ashwin: simply right click on the desktop, choose unlock widgets, then add widgets, find a folder view widget in shown selector, drag it out onto desktop and customize to your needs either by using "wrench" button or right click menu on widget...
[19:15] <ashwin> thanks
[19:16] <BATi> ashwin: no problem... and don't forget to lock widgets after you position/resize widget
[19:17] <BATi> well, talking to an empty space in the air - my favorite sport :)
[19:19] <mikko_n_75> hei
[19:22] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[19:31] <ovidius> hi, all. hope i do not annoy by asking, but is there any news about kde 4.7 in kubuntu ppas (natty)?
[19:32] <Peace-> ovidius: kubuntu.org ==> news
[19:32] <Peace-> ovidius: if there is not = there is not on ppa
[19:33] <Peace-> xD
[19:35] <BATi> ovidius: Peace is right, and last oficial release of KDE is 4.6.4, 4.7 have just one beta for now
[19:36] <ovidius> i know, i was asking for a packaged beta
[19:36] <Peace-> ovidius: on kubuntu.org you can get information about ppa too
[19:37] <Peace-> ovidius: but.. i guess they was pretty busy with kde 4.6.4
[19:37] <Peace-> so...
[19:37] <Peace-> i don't know if there will be a ppa for kde 4.7 right now
[19:38] <ovidius> peace: thanks. i was just hoping for some news ... if there isn't: no problem
[19:39] <Peace-> they was\ were
[19:39] <Peace-> xD
[19:39] <Peace-> sorry
[19:40] <BATi> ovidius: only openSUSE binary packages of KDE 4.6.80 (aka 4.7 Beta1) was released AFAIK... but maybe some deep google search will come up with something...
[19:41] <ashwin> every time i open chrome ,kwallet is asking for password
[19:42] <Peace-> ashwin: go on chrome settings
[19:42] <BATi> ovidius: and of course you can "roll your own" from sources :)
[19:42] <Peace-> i guess on that you should be able to disable kwallet
[19:42] <Peace-> *i guess*
[19:42] <Peace-> bye guys
[19:45] <ashwin> is there a way i can make chrome "always allow" to kwallet?
[19:46] <jimmy51_> is there a keyboard shortcut to view CPU usage (like ctrl alt del in windows)
[19:46] <BATi> ashwin: maybe give a kde wallet manager a try...
[19:47] <BATi> jimmy51_: ctrl+esc
[19:47] <jimmy51_> BATi: ah, i guess i could sum up those percentages
[19:48] <BATi> jimmy51_: eeeh, there should be a global shortcut for ksysguard...
[19:49] <ashwin> KDE Wallet Configuration shows kontact can always allow to access kwallet,but i cannot add chrome to that list
[19:53] <dr3am> salve
[19:54] <ovidius> dr3am: salve, amice? quo modo valeas?
[19:55] <BATi> jimmy51_: cannot find it, but you can always run ksysguard from krunner...
[19:56] <dr3am> ovidis per me ubuntu è un nuovo mondo, non ti dico il latino ammesso che lo sia
[19:58] <LINKSWORD2> dr3am, this is an English chat. Please go to #kubuntu-es for help.
[19:58] <Peace-> dr3am:italian
[19:58] <Peace-> !italian | dr3am
[19:58] <Peace-> dr3am: zio billy
[19:58] <dr3am> i'm very very sorry
[19:58] <Peace-> no problem
[19:59] <dr3am> bye my friend
[20:32] <jimmy51_> BATi: the ctrl esc is good enough...
[20:32] <jimmy51_> next question...  when i click to restart it always stops after a bit and asks me to close other sessions.  is there a way to make it be more forceful? or should i just sudo shutdown
[20:36] <BATi> jimmy51_: ctrl+alt+pgup should be unconditional restart or was it pgdown?
[20:37] <jimmy51_> BATi: doesn't do anything on this machine.
[20:37] <jimmy51_> !restart
[20:39] <BATi> jimmy51_: hmm... strange... anyway remote sessions are reported always when doing shutdown/restart, local only when somebody logs in... if it can be disabled, I don't know how
[20:41] <jimmy51_> i guess i could always add sudo init 0 or something at the end of my script
[20:42] <BATi> jimmy51_: hmmm, maybe better would be to find out proper DBus magic for reboot :)
[20:48] <jimmy51_> !DBus
[22:33] <smallfoot-> i installed a kubuntu guest under a win7 host with virtualbox, then installed guest addons, but still couldnt pick 1920x1200 screen res
[22:45] <lcb> hello ladies and respective companions
[22:45] <lcb> oops, gentlemen
[22:46] <dniMretsaM> lol
[22:49] <lcb> :)
[22:53] <dniMretsaM> everyone's computers must be working perfectly
[22:55] <BATi> dniMretsaM: working and perfectly don't belong in one sentence, when talking IT :)
[22:55] <dniMretsaM> tru that
[22:55] <dniMretsaM> true*
[22:56] <dniMretsaM> but nobody is on here asking for help, so I can only assume
[22:57] <lcb> if i recall right,today,  it's broken keyboard day
[22:58] <dniMretsaM> ah yes
[22:59] <dniMretsaM> forgot about that.
[22:59] <lcb> :p
[22:59] <dniMretsaM> they could use voice-to-text though
[23:02] <lcb> hmm... you just said a perfect workaround for a lot of people keyboard issue. now is a matter of time because it might be necessary to teach  vtt engine to recognize voice and typing.
[23:02] <lcb> not too much probably.. like 2 days
[23:03] <lcb> so in 2 d channel would be back to FloodBotK1 activities.
[23:06] <tactical> hi folks.  what do you think about ubuntu using GNOME by default
[23:07] <tactical> does that sound the death bell for kde?
[23:07] <lcb> tactical: probably better to ask at #ubuntu
[23:08] <lcb> tactical: why death of kde? i used gnome not long ago (and using several flavors of ubuntu) and there is no comparison to kubuntu
[23:09] <tactical> isn't it a huge blow for kde that ubuntu chose not to use it?
[23:10] <lcb> tactical: as with gnomte.e... ppl keep using it. it's a matter of tas
[23:10] <lcb> gnome
[23:11] <lcb> err *taste
[23:12] <lcb> tactical: kde and kubuntu keeps being the first choice for people who like nice graphical interface
[23:12] <kps_foo> lcb: +1
[23:12] <lcb> *nice and efficient...
[23:14] <lcb> one thing i noticed, appart from kde, gnome is much alike unity or vice-versa. my opinion.
[23:14] <lcb> and i'm talking about gnome3, of course
[23:18]  * kps_foo thinks unity sucks...gnome 3 is better than unity...but KDE is the best :P
[23:20] <lcb> dniMretsaM: notice this. "<lcb> tactical: as with gnomte.e... ppl keep using it. it's a matter of tas". See? Keyboard issue. sometimes my cursor jumpes like crazy. in this case, part of last word "taste" jumped to the middle of the sentence, near gnome.