[00:05]  * Crashbit good night!
[12:01] <dasei> :) lxdm, that means old x approach is up instead of natty's unity ?
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> lightdm
[12:11] <Ian_Corne> is that the same as lxdm?
[12:11] <Ian_Corne> it is not
[12:25] <DasEi> Ian_Corne: thanks for the hint, I just reat about it, is why I asked about unity
[12:26] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[12:53] <elros> Ian_Corne: lightdm is a new login manager and is under heavy development in oneiric, if you're using natty you don't need it
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> I know elros
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> :p
[12:59] <BluesKaj> hey what happened to my nvidia driver, "all desktop effects are suspended by another application"...what other application ...everything was fine til this new crappy driver was thrown into the updates ...why can't they leave well enough alone ?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: linux 3.0 breaks the old driver
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> for me at least
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> but the new one also doesn't work :p
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> what difference does it make?
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> you still use the newest kernel? :p
[13:00] <BluesKaj> thought you meant gnome 3
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> I know you did :)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> yeah the new -3.0-0-generic
[13:04] <BluesKaj> this is a pissoff
[13:37] <zniavre> there is a kind of gmail watcher/indicator for gnome3  ?
[13:44] <hggdh> well, there is a nvidia driver on xorg-crashers PPA; there is also an issue with the latest nvidia (released today) and mesa; a new mesa set is being published (7.10.3-0ubuntu2)
[13:44] <xuwenxin> 有人么?
[13:44] <xuwenxin> Are there people?
[13:45] <xuwenxin> ?
[13:45] <hggdh> go figure
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> yes x
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> what no alt tabbing
[14:37] <hjd> I have noticed $PATH in oneiric doesn't include /usr/games . Is this something on my system, or does this affect others as well?
[14:37] <Ian_Corne> $ echo $PATH
[14:37] <Ian_Corne> /opt/mpgx/:/opt/Android/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin:/opt/Ambient/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin
[14:38] <Ian_Corne> natty: $ echo $PATH
[14:38] <Ian_Corne> /opt/mpgx/:/opt/Android/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin:/opt/Ambient/:/opt/mpgx/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/game
[14:38] <Ian_Corne> so it's a "feature" in oneirc
[14:40] <hjd> It's a bit annoying, since programs installed to /usr/games won't start unless you specify the complete path. Do you know if this is a known issues?
[14:40] <Ian_Corne> I don't know, just confirming your findings :)
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> $ cube
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> Command 'cube' is available in '/usr/games/cube'
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> The command could not be located because '/usr/games' is not included in the PATH environment variable.
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> cube: command not found
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> it even knows that it's not included..
[14:46]  * charlie-tca can't get /usr/games in the PATH, no matter where he tries to put it.
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> $ PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> icorne@iantop:~$ echo $PATH
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> /opt/mpgx/:/opt/Android/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin:/opt/Ambient/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> ?
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> that just works charlie-tca
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> altho /etc/environment
[14:50] <charlie-tca> which file did you add it too, so you don' t have to each time?
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> does show that /usr/games ..
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> i'll try to add it
[14:51] <Ian_Corne> charlie-tca: in .bashrc
[14:51] <charlie-tca> neither will /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/profile, or anything in /home
[14:52] <charlie-tca> It fails on reboot
[14:52] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[14:52] <charlie-tca> and, yes, I do have it in everyone of of those, including .bashrc, .profile
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> weird
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> if i just open a new terminal
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> with it in .bashrc
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> it works
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> i'm not going to reboot tho, it shouldn't change a think
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I gave up on it
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> and I'm working :)
[14:58] <hjd> Another interesting thing is if you try to run "game" it tells you it is in /usr/games, but it's not able to find it in "which game"
[14:59] <hjd> Anyone knows which package provides the default path, so that I can check if it is a known issue, or report it myself?
[15:20] <hjd> From what I can see the default PATH is first set in /etc/environment which actually includes /usr/games, so it is altered somewhere along the way, not that I can say where.
[15:20] <arand> hjd: Is /etc/login.defs involved?
[15:25] <hjd> arand: I'm not sure, though apart from having /usr/sbin and /usr/bin in opposite the ENV_SUPATH in that file is identical with echo $PATH.
[15:30] <hjd> *opposite order
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> weird, I'm being thrown back to unity2d while unity worked just fine
[15:34] <arand> Hmm, I have a oo system that hasn't been upgraded for a week or so, and games is in my path fine
[15:39] <hjd> arand: hm, interesting. My oneiric system is up to date, but I don't think I noticed this more than a couple of days ago.
[15:42] <arand> I'm not seeing any good contenders in the upgrade list, but maybe they're in full-upgrade rather...
[15:54] <hjd> Do you think it would be okay if I report it as a bug in gnome-terminal or bash? I'm not really sure it really belongs there, but I don't have any better ideas. Plus people would be able to find it and reassign it to where it really belongs.
[15:54] <WelshDragon> Anybody else got a problem with empathy using 100% cpu and know of a fix?
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> WelshDragon: I have that problem
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> it's actually telepathy
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> not the gui
[15:55] <charlie-tca> hjd: it is not gnome terminal
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> and i think it's the msn fault
[15:56] <charlie-tca> It is very wide spread, since Xubuntu is also seeing the issue, it has to be more common application/file
[15:58] <arand> hjd I'd report it simply against "ubuntu" for now, it can be changed.
[15:58] <WelshDragon> Ian_Corne, no easy fix until it gets patched then?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> hjd: I suspect xdg-utils
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> WelshDragon: I don't know, haven't looked into it yet
[16:02] <WelshDragon> Ah, okies
[16:07] <arand> hjd: Hmm, seems to work fine for me even after upgrade, and no likely candidates in my held-back queue either..
[16:20] <hjd> filed it as bug 798277
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Confirmed
[16:29] <jibel> hjd, do you use lightdm ?
[16:37] <hjd> jibel: yes (or I assume it, since I haven't changed the default, and the login picture doesn't look like gdm)
[16:37] <hjd> oh, and 'ps aux' shows lightdm is running, so yes.
[16:40] <jibel> hjd, I think your bug and bug 794315 are related. /etc/environment is sourced from the upstart script in /etc/init/lighdm.conf so it seems that it doesn't preserve the environment
[16:40] <jibel> charlie-tca, you're still using gdm on xubuntu ?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> nope
[16:41] <charlie-tca> lightdm
[16:41] <charlie-tca> looks right to me
[16:41] <jibel> and bug 793366 as well
[16:42] <charlie-tca> oh, yes
[16:42] <jibel> ok thanks, moving to lightdm
[16:42] <charlie-tca> That was why I tried to include all that stuff when I marked it confirmed, too.
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Thanks, jibel
[18:22] <smallfoot-> i am using Ubuntu 10.04 and its great, I love it. but new 10.10 have Unity which sucks, and it has GNOME 3 which sucks. i tried Kubuntu, its pretty, but its not good. i tried fedora, and it sucks. what should i do when Ubuntu 10.10 comes?
[18:23] <smallfoot-> err, i mean 11.04 im using
[18:23] <smallfoot-> and 11.10 is the one that will come, thta sucks
[18:26] <charlie-tca> smallfoot-: sounds like time to investigate Xubuntu instead?
[18:26] <smallfoot-> oh havent tried that one
[18:27] <smallfoot-> GNOME 3 is a huge step back from GNOME 2
[18:27] <charlie-tca> but it seems that is the future
[18:27] <smallfoot-> KDE is pretty, it has the looks part of look-and-feel, but not the feel part, it really needs some usability improvements and simplicity
[18:29] <charlie-tca> That sounds like unity to me. usablility and simplicity!
[18:31] <smallfoot-> i much prefer GNOME 2.32 over Unity, maybe Unity is good for netbooks and cellphones, but i got 24" screen
[18:35] <smallfoot-> it feels like ubuntu is like "look how we do evreything different from mac and windows, we're so innovative!!1"
[18:45] <Ian_Corne> I'm using unity on a 24" screen, works good :)
[19:18] <DasEi> !brain > DasEi
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> !brain > Ian_Corne
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> curious :)
[19:48] <Ian_Corne> yofel: it doesn't work on -pae
[19:48] <Ian_Corne> but does work on normal
[19:51] <elros> pae is the extended mem support for 32-bit?
[19:51] <yofel> well, we have  275.09.07-0ubuntu1 in the archive now, so if that doesn't work either a bug report would be good ^^
[19:58] <Ian_Corne> just reported :)
[19:59] <Ian_Corne>   Installed: 275.09.07-0ubuntu1
[19:59] <Ian_Corne> now I'm wondering if I tried it with that one or not..
[19:59] <Ian_Corne> trying
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> Is there a unity dev channel?
[20:00] <Pici> Ian_Corne: #ayatana
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't work
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> the nvidia
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> thing
[21:12] <mrdeb> hi
[21:12] <mrdeb> will new ubunuts have gnome 1
[21:12] <mrdeb> 2
[21:15] <Ian_Corne> Not as far I know
[22:36] <BUGabundo> and NM is broken
[22:36] <BUGabundo> no nm-applet
[22:36] <BUGabundo> I straced it and it's the icon pack :(
[22:36] <BUGabundo> will file it when I have the NAS up