[00:59] <Twizz2> is there anything about grub (installed Ubuntu 8.01 server) that would prevent me from booting form a thumbstick or cd?
[01:00] <Twizz2> I'm trying to install 11.04
[01:00] <holstein> hey Twizz2
[01:00] <pleia2> booting from a usb stick is something that's handled by the bios before grub loads
[01:00] <pleia2> so it wouldn't be grub that's preventing it
[01:03] <Twizz2> hey holstein
[01:03] <holstein> you installed ubuntu server 8.04?
[01:03] <holstein> when?
[01:03] <Twizz2> on the order of years ago 2 maybe
[01:03] <holstein> AH, ok... anyways... whats the deal?
[01:03] <Twizz2> i never got it installed or working correctly and i move to an island for work for a year after installing ... so i just kind of left it
[01:03] <holstein> OK
[01:03] <Twizz2> I've got 11.04 on a thunmstick and I'm trying to get it to install, and its not booting from the stick
[01:03] <holstein> is your machine able to boot USB sticks?
[01:03] <holstein> can you burn a CD?
[01:03] <Twizz2> i think so, but i don't see a setting for it in the bios, i can yes
[01:03] <holstein> well, dont think
[01:03] <Twizz2> but currently it won't even boot a windows install cd
[01:03] <holstein> it either does or it doesnt, and you can waste a lot of time
[01:03] <Twizz2> I'll assume no since its not in the bios as an option
[01:03] <Twizz2> the computer was new in 2001
[01:04] <holstein> yeah, i would unplug the hard drive so you dont ruin it accientally, then play around til you get a CD booting
[01:04] <Twizz2> alright I'll try burning a cd and see where that gets me
[01:04] <holstein> Twizz2: doesnt really matter when, some do USB boot, and some dont, but it wont magically do it, you'll have to sort it out in the bios, and ubuntu/linux can really help with that
[01:05] <holstein> Twizz2: for troubleshooting purposes, you can use *any* CD... that windows disc, whatever
[01:05] <holstein> you just want to see something boot
[01:05] <holstein> however, i would suggest making an ubuntu 10.04 live CD for this and other testing purposes
[01:06] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[01:07] <Twizz2> right i'm aware of all that, i just didn't know if grub could be blocking it.  I know how the bios works, and there isn't an option for botting thumb sticks ... since grub probably isn't blocking it, thats really what i was looking for ... at least until i'm able to get something booting from disk or whatever
[01:08] <Twizz2> I'll probably be around for a few days and if i run into another snag I'll ask, thank you for your help
[01:08] <holstein> well, theres no 'probably', grub is not in the loop yet, so it *cant*
[01:08] <holstein> sure, let us know :)
[01:09] <holstein> trouble shooting old and unfamiliar hardware can be challenging... much better if its not your main machine that broken
[01:10] <Twizz2> it boots to a grub menu currently, which is why i was curious if that was kickstarting before the cd/thumbstick boot, but its set to boot from HD's last so it *shouldn't* be causing it
[01:10] <Twizz2> its not, i've got 6 machines here
[01:10] <holstein> nah... BUT, just unplug that drive, and you wont see that
[01:11] <holstein> it'll be in the bios... somthing about boot order or boot sequence, and you'll see the hard drive is before the optical drive
[01:11] <holstein> *more than likely* i should say...
[01:13] <Twizz2> right now i have it configured to boot 1 legacy floppy drives 2 atapi cd rom drive 3 bootable cards (not sure what that is and i've tried moving it first and last no change) 4 HD1 5 HD2
[01:13] <holstein> yeah, and bioses are quite different, so i have no frame of referece to offer you much assistance
[01:13] <Twizz2> based on that i assume that there is no support for the thumb disk
[01:14] <Twizz2> can i make a live cd from 11.04? since i already have it?
[01:15] <holstein> Twizz2: sure, i suggest 10.04 becuase its the LTS - long term support, but 11.04 will work great :)
[01:34] <Twizz2> it appears to be booting from the disk
[01:35] <holstein> w00t Twizz2 :) thats good news..
[01:36] <Twizz2> i don't know what its doing and it looked a little strange, but now i have a redish/purple screend with the word ubuntu and some red dot progress bar
[01:36] <holstein> Twizz2: at some point, you'll just have to tell it what to do :)
[01:37] <Twizz2> before that i had an underlined + sign and an upside down U in the upper left corner on a blue background and the rest of the screen was black .... and it let me type jibberish in the black ... then it moved on
[01:37] <Twizz2> now i think i'm just waiting on it to load
[01:37] <Twizz2> which on this old pc may take longer than burnign the disk did
[02:02] <Twizz2> do i need to do anything to get it to detect my internet connection?  eth 0 (wired)
[02:02] <holstein> Twizz2: that depends
[02:03] <holstein> usually, lan cards are well supported
[02:03] <holstein> i would just plug it in and see, and if not, we can look around
[02:03] <Twizz2> the installer says i'm not connected was the only reason i'm asking
[02:03] <Twizz2> its plugged in
[02:04] <holstein> Twizz2: you should run it live first
[02:04] <holstein> i mean, go ahead and install now, but thats a great way to tell how well hte hardware is supported before you install
[02:05] <Twizz2> i was only 1 step in, i went back to "try it"
[02:06] <Twizz2> sorry, i'm a little under the weather today too ... I'm not opperating at full capacity
[02:06] <holstein> Twizz2: no worries... hope you feel better soon
[02:36] <runamuck> moin
[02:36] <runamuck> I have a problem with a python program I compiled.  I can't find anything wrong with it.  I have ubuntu 11.04
[02:36] <holstein> runamuck: you have any output?... its not something thats in the repos?
[02:37] <runamuck> when the program tries to run I get several of these messages from what looks like the menu system:  libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id
[02:37] <runamuck> not in repos no
[02:37] <runamuck> but libglade2.0 is installed
[02:38] <runamuck> and of course none of the menus work in the app
[02:38] <runamuck> ;)
[02:39] <runamuck> anyone see something like that?
[02:39] <runamuck> i found this in google and it scares me though  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/604666
[02:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 604666 in aptitude "aptitude-gtk menus do not work (many errors dumped to stdout)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:40] <holstein> hmm, yeah
[02:40] <holstein> probably have to try going to whoever is maintaining the app
[02:40] <runamuck> okay, no worries
[02:40] <runamuck> thanks for the help
[02:41] <holstein> runamuck: hang here as long as you like though
[02:41] <holstein> its a good bet someone will know something
[02:41] <runamuck> i will be on for a while
[02:41] <runamuck> no worries
[02:46] <runamuck> i saw this on another page but I can't figure out how moving this to /root would help anything.  After this they run a sudo apt-get update and magically it works....
[02:46] <runamuck> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local-repository.list /root
[02:46] <runamuck> are they just getting a whole new lists? why not rm it then.....
[02:47] <holstein> hmmm... do you need a new list?
[02:47] <holstein> that doest sound right
[02:47] <runamuck> don't know, found it here  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656847
[02:47] <holstein> if sudo apt-get update has no errors, id say all is well
[02:51] <runamuck> still don't get why they are mv that list to roots home directory.....
[02:52] <runamuck> seems like that does nothing
[02:55] <runamuck> brb
[03:05] <Twizz2> holstein: will 11.04 run on a pentium 4 1500 mhz?
[03:07] <holstein> Twizz2: should be fine
[03:07] <holstein> i might look at one of the lighter ones though
[03:08] <holstein> !xubuntu
[03:08] <ubot2> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels
[03:08] <Twizz2> i'm running it live ... and it seems to be so slow that the mouse even lags and i can't get FF to open
[03:09] <Twizz2> I can give that a try, I'm not opposed to trial and reject/succeed
[03:09] <holstein> it'll run faster after you install
[03:09] <Twizz2> I'm not doign anything time sensitive .. jsut wnat a linux environment to play around with and learn on in my free time
[03:09] <holstein> i usually go to a tty and run some commands
[03:10] <holstein> or open a terimal
[03:10] <Twizz2> none of the ap windows even open
[03:11] <Twizz2> you suggest xubuntu as a lighter weight option then? I'll just try that from cd tomorrow
[03:11] <holstein> Twizz2: or just try installing what you got
[03:11] <Twizz2> goign to take some asprin and head to bed and try to kick this head cold
[03:11] <holstein> see if it runs faster, which it will
[03:12] <holstein> theres a classic desktop option that will be faster probably
[03:12] <Twizz2> sounds good, thanks again
[03:13] <holstein> sure, anytime
[06:27] <edie_> I need help installing the .run amd drivers
[06:27] <edie_> I executed the file in terminal but i dont think it has been installed
[06:28] <edie_> it says it needs e.org
[06:28] <edie_> x.org sorry
[06:28] <edie_> i tried to download x.org in synaptic  update manager
[06:34] <celthunder> edie_: if you have synaptic you probably have x
[06:34] <celthunder> edie_: open a terminal window within x and sudo sh <file>
[06:38] <edie_> i just need to type in sudo sh and then my file name?
[06:38] <edie_> but cant I just run the .run file with the terminal by adjusting the property?
[10:04] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:05] <celthunder> hi
[10:39] <coalwater> is there a way to use curl with grep? to get a certain line in a webpage?
[10:42] <s-fox> coalwater,  Use a pipe
[10:43] <coalwater> i know, try it and you'll know why i'm asking
[10:45] <coalwater> curl http://www.google.com | grep title
[10:45] <coalwater> try this for example
[10:54] <s-fox> Must use grep?
[10:54] <s-fox> Can do it with sed
[10:55] <s-fox> curl http://www.google.com | sed -n 2p
[10:55] <s-fox> @ coalwater
[10:58] <coalwater> s-fox, i never used sed before, but it seems to be working
[10:59] <Puck`> hi everyone
[10:59] <Puck`> (:
[10:59] <s-fox> Only issue I am having is that it is also picking up close head and body tags
[10:59] <s-fox>  Hello Puck`.
[10:59] <Puck`> does anyone have knowledge of a command or lib that could help me output the lenght of any mp3 file?
[10:59] <s-fox> Got that postcard yet?  lol
[10:59] <coalwater> what does '2p' mean
[11:00] <Puck`> s-fox: still no postcard, I'm quite amazed. You didn't get them back?
[11:01] <s-fox> Puck`,   mp3info -p "%m:s\n" filename.mp3
[11:01] <s-fox> Or something like that anyway ;)
[11:01] <Puck`> so i need mp3info?
[11:01] <Puck`> thank you (:
[11:02] <s-fox> Might be mp3info -p "%S" filename.mp3
[11:03] <s-fox> coalwater,  returns certain line of output. in this case line 2
[11:03] <Puck`> s-fox: %S outputs the total time in seconds, "%m:%s" it is
[11:03] <Puck`> thank you very much (:
[11:04] <s-fox> No issue Puck`,  glad to help you.
[11:05] <s-fox> Puck`,  Out of interest... what does mp3info -x filename.mp3 return?
[11:26] <Puck`> s-fox: http://pastebin.com/00TF0w5q
[11:29] <s-fox> Thanks Puck`, looks like you could just grep the length if you wanted.
[11:35] <Puck`> s-fox: I can simply output it with the -p "%m:%s" command, then get it in a db, that's enough
[14:54] <coalwater> BloodyMind, :P
[14:55] <coalwater> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[16:39] <artzra_> hi
[16:40] <artzra_> skype freeze after 1min
[16:40] <holstein> any skype users here? using the current skype from the repos and 11.04 ??
[16:40] <artzra_> try to use skype
[16:41] <artzra_> ty
[16:41] <artzra_> holstein my translater !!
[16:41] <holstein> :)
[16:41] <artzra_> :)
[16:43] <escott> artzra_, not sure what people are going to be able to tell you. it works for me... but its a closed source program and i can't offer you many suggestions except to try using LD_PRELOAD to trick it into using v4l2 if you think your problems might be camera related
[16:45] <artzra_> ld_preaload ?
[16:45] <artzra_> i dont use camera
[16:45] <escott> artzra_, well then LD_PRELOAD won't be helpful
[16:45] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966882
[16:58] <kidsodateless> hello, i had changed the default theme of Edubuntu 10.04LTS to Ambiance and I wonder how i could revert it back to the default? :D
[16:59] <holstein> kidsodateless: i would just go where you changed it to ambiance, and look for 'defalt' or try some that look like the default
[17:00] <holstein> you can always make another new user temporarily... that user should have the default settings.. login, and look and see, and learn what theme to apply
[17:02] <kidsodateless> holstein: i just did, but i there is no default them in there, :D the closes them was radiance but it
[17:03] <kidsodateless> is not totally looks like the default one.
[17:03] <kidsodateless> I
[17:05] <holstein> kidsodateless: the new user didnt have the default theme?
[17:06] <holstein> you didnt remove the edubuntu-desktop meta pacakge right?
[17:06] <kidsodateless> ah see.. i guess, i have to make a new user then.
[17:06] <kidsodateless> yeah did not.
[17:09] <disassembler> hey, everyone. i'm will. i'm fairly new to ubuntu and the ubuntu user community. i hope to become a more active member in the coming months.
[17:10] <holstein> disassembler: welcome
[17:19] <kidsodateless> holstein: i made a new user and it works. thanks :D
[17:22] <holstein> kidsodateless: can you see the theme name?
[17:22] <holstein> if not, you should be able to save that current theme as something you can find and apply as the other user
[17:31] <kidsodateless> holstein: yeah, custom :D much pretty cool to see  all computers that have same theme. i'm currently converting school's computer lab to Edubuntu  and i already installed on 5 computers,  11 remaining to be finish. happy :D
[17:35] <meindian523> How can I delete my account on Ubuntu Forums?
[17:35] <meindian523> without it becoming "burnt beans"?
[17:36] <meindian523> anyone?
[17:36] <holstein> meindian523: this might be relavant
[17:36] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1243366
[17:36] <holstein> and bodhi_zazen might be around to reiterate
[17:37] <meindian523> ah, ty holstein
[17:37] <meindian523> I looked around settings to see somewhere I could do it independently
[20:21] <disassembler> would someone be able to help me with a wireless adapter issue i'm having? i've been trying to get my belkin n wireless adapter to work for ages now, and i've searched a number of threads and documentation, and have had no luck.
[20:24] <disassembler> here's a blog post i've made listing a few of the resources i've checked and a few commands that will hopefully help you to better understand the issue. http://tumblr.sect7.net/post/6591822553/belkin
[20:36] <holstein> disassembler: how about nidisgtk ??
[21:09] <tommy_gunz> Hey all...new here so just lookin for some neat stuff to get into...:)
[21:10] <tommy_gunz> anyone know of a good place for torrent invites???