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| NCommand1r | #startmeeting | 15:59 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommand1r. | 15:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:59 |
| NCommand1r | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview | 16:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | plop | 16:00 |
| janimo | hello | 16:00 |
| NCommand1r | morning all | 16:00 |
| NCommand1r | who's here? | 16:00 |
| ppisati | o/ | 16:00 |
| * GrueMaster is not here. | 16:00 | |
| infinity | \o | 16:01 |
| * davidm thinks he is in London | 16:01 | |
| NCommand1r | k, good enough | 16:01 |
| * davidm is sure he is not in the Freenode servers | 16:01 | |
| NCommand1r | [topic] Action Item Review | 16:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Item Review | 16:01 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch | 16:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | reviwed, fine for merging | 16:01 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: are oytugoing to handle actually merging it? | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | i just didnt get to it yet (and was secretly hoping NCommand1r finds spare time :P) | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | if you dont do it before i'll try to get to it tomorrow after the release team meeting | 16:02 |
| * NCommand1r just realized he was NCommand1r ... | 16:03 | |
| GrueMaster | I assume it has been tested? | 16:03 |
| GrueMaster | who did you think you were? | 16:03 |
| NCommand1r | NCommander :-P | 16:03 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to get Documentation spec approved | 16:04 |
| NCommand1r | co | 16:04 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] Standing Items | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Standing Items | 16:04 |
| NCommand1r | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:04 |
| NCommand1r | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html | 16:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, hasnt been tested in real environment yet ... but we'll have to shake out bugs anyway :) | 16:05 |
| NCommand1r | trendline doesn't look so good ... | 16:05 |
| GrueMaster | Several of mine are done or in progress but not indicated. | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | NCommand1r, i know, waiting for the last spec to land | 16:06 |
| * GrueMaster hates the syntax parser for the wi tracker. | 16:07 | |
| ogra_ | NCommand1r, i dont want to set the trendline twice | 16:07 |
| GrueMaster | Do you need to set the trendline for it to see that I have stuff done? | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, no | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | its just a helpful diagonal line, thats all :) | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | but the start value for it has to be set manually in the code | 16:08 |
| GrueMaster | So why aren't my tasks showing as done? | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | so until NCommand1r#s doc spec is approved i wont set it | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, when did you change the WIs ? | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | the tracker runs once a day iirc | 16:09 |
| GrueMaster | last week. | 16:09 |
| GrueMaster | for a couple. two days ago for some others. | 16:10 |
| GrueMaster | >24hrs ago. | 16:10 |
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| ogra_ | weird | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | lets look after the meeting | 16:11 |
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| NCommand1r | [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | 16:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | 16:11 |
| NCommand1r | So I've discovered that my panda apparantly dislikes USB/ethernet when running with an oneiric userland on the d-i netboot image. This incidently become a bit of a blocker w.r.t. to continuing to work on it | 16:12 |
| ppisati | NCommand1r: didn't you find anyone with a panda a2? | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | when are you back in portland ? | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | so you can use another panda | 16:12 |
| GrueMaster | Mine are tied up until I return. | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | well, PXE booting will also have to wait until at least next week | 16:13 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: I'm basically depwait GrueMaster until next week | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | right | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | so no more server netbooting this week then | 16:13 |
| GrueMaster | NCommand1r: I tested it here this morning and had networking through the eth0 port. | 16:13 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: well, I still have a base-installer branch that needs review | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, A2 board too ? | 16:14 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: mine is an A1 | 16:14 |
| GrueMaster | He "shouldn't" have an A2. | 16:14 |
| NCommand1r | according to the panda I was pointed to | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | didnt you say revision 0020 ? | 16:14 |
| * ogra_ thought that indicated A2 | 16:14 | |
| GrueMaster | his is oneof davidm's batch. | 16:14 |
| davidm | Anything that came from me is a A1 | 16:15 |
| GrueMaster | and it booted maverick & natty before I gave it to him. | 16:15 |
| ppisati | so it's an a2, it's the same batch that had the bootloader problem with maverick | 16:15 |
| davidm | IT's all I have | 16:15 |
| ppisati | ah | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | how did that A2 stuff come up then ? | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | hmpf | 16:15 |
| ppisati | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions | 16:16 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) | 16:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) | 16:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions | 16:16 |
| GrueMaster | The cpuid changed between EA1 & A1. | 16:16 |
| ppisati | devmem2 0x4A002204 | 16:16 |
| ppisati | to get the board revision | 16:16 |
| ppisati | as we discussed this morning, oneiric/ti-omap4 is still MIA | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | well, there is the natty kernel which we will use until we have something new that works | 16:17 |
| ppisati | the usb issue turned out to be an upstream kernel bug revealed with tghe switch to gcc 4.6 | 16:17 |
| ppisati | yep | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | thats usually how we do it anyway | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | i see that toolchain played back the ball to the kernel team court for the USB bug ? | 16:17 |
| ppisati | lp#791552 | 16:18 |
| ppisati | yep | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | bug 791552 | 16:18 |
| * ogra_ pokes the bot | 16:18 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791552 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552 | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | helps | 16:18 |
| infinity | Bot needs coffee. | 16:18 |
| ppisati | anyway, it seems it's *arm related, so as soon as distro start switching to 4.6 | 16:18 |
| ppisati | it'll be an high priority for everyone | 16:19 |
| ppisati | right now i'm looking at | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | right, but michaelh said there its an issue to solve in the kernel code | 16:19 |
| ppisati | bug 608312 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 608312 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "USB host mode on OTG doesn't work on Maverick with BeagleBoard" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608312 | 16:19 |
| ppisati | ogra_: yes, the issue is in the kernel | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | you think they are related ? | 16:20 |
| ppisati | ogra_: but the known workaround don't work for us | 16:20 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:20 |
| ppisati | ogra_: nope, i was just taking a break from CVE :) | 16:20 |
| GrueMaster | yea, thanks for that. | 16:20 |
| ppisati | besides this, nothing new | 16:20 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: but it seems i've no OTG hw here | 16:20 |
| * GrueMaster grumbles about pending propossed kernel testin to do. | 16:20 | |
| ppisati | yep, there's a pending kernel for every distro/flavour | 16:21 |
| ppisati | have fun :) | 16:21 |
| GrueMaster | ppisati: Just get gadget working for now. | 16:21 |
| GrueMaster | I'll give to an OTG cable at the rally. | 16:21 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: i think i bought OTG cables but whatever i attach them | 16:22 |
| GrueMaster | keyboard, mouse, etc. | 16:22 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: the status in musb_hdrc/mode doesn't work | 16:22 |
| ppisati | doesn't change | 16:22 |
| GrueMaster | It puts the otg port into host mode. | 16:22 |
| GrueMaster | well, fix it. | 16:22 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: is it a micro -> normal usb female? | 16:22 |
| GrueMaster | (hence the bug) | 16:23 |
| GrueMaster | micro b. Wiring change. | 16:23 |
| ppisati | GrueMaster: actually it was supposed to work on lucid, but it doesn't work there neither | 16:23 |
| GrueMaster | iirc it worked in maverick on omap. | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | how about we keep a TODO to look into that in dublin ? | 16:24 |
| ppisati | k | 16:24 |
| GrueMaster | yep. next | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | where we have HW and cables | 16:24 |
| * ppisati agrees | 16:24 | |
| * GrueMaster shakes the NCommand1r bot. | 16:26 | |
| * ogra_ hears the rattling | 16:26 | |
| NCommand1r | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 16:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 16:26 |
| janimo | some progress yesterday, during the porting jam | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | threee hoorays from everyone to hrw ... he attacks chromium atm :) | 16:27 |
| janimo | but not very noticable if you look at the QA webpage, is still read | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | well, doko fixed libnih | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | that should give us upstart soon | 16:27 |
| janimo | nice - although I was under the impression that was a binutils issue | 16:28 |
| janimo | chromium I mean | 16:28 |
| NCommand1r | A wild chromium attacks | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | well, he was testbuilding a fix last i saw him in #ubuntu-arm | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | anyway, we're not massively worse than other arches on the ftbfs page | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | which is pretty cool for that state of the cycle :) | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:30 |
| infinity | tp-glib is dying on a test failure? I might have to look at why that is. | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i think there are (closed) bugs from the last three cycles | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | look through launchpad, iirc one had a papertrail of tracking down the issue | 16:31 |
| infinity | *nod* | 16:32 |
| infinity | ogra_: Hrm, the old bug was a SEGV in the tests, this just lookg like a timeout, but I'll have to reproduce locally and see. | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | hmm, k | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | then it might be different this time | 16:33 |
| janimo | infinity, the old one was a gcc miscompilation when passed -fshrink-wrap which is now disabled. Could be another one though | 16:34 |
| janimo | I was under the impression it was ld this time | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | there were older ones | 16:34 |
| janimo | the most recent one then :) | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | we had the same segfault every release in the past | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | and worked around it with -O1 | 16:34 |
| infinity | janimo: I was led to believe it was ld exploding too, but I just looked at the build log, and all I see is a test timing out. Anyhow, can take this out-of-band and test more later. | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | NCommand1r, move ... | 16:35 |
| * GrueMaster listens to the silence. somewhere in the distance, a wolf howls. | 16:36 | |
| NCommand1r | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:36 |
| * davidm thinks NCommand1r is stick in a loop | 16:36 | |
| NCommand1r | sorry, suffering from serious lag issues | 16:37 |
| * ogra_ points to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ | 16:37 | |
| infinity | Isn't that always true? | 16:37 |
| NCommand1r | infinity: ouch | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | we have desktop images | 16:37 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: \o/ | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | (with 1G of crap on them though, and no manifest files yet) | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | maniofest is fixed now and should show up with next build | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | i'll put in some time tomorrow to see how we can clean up and get smaller images | 16:38 |
| davidm | that works | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | beyond that i did soem work on a headless natty ac100 image ... server and kernel people asked for it | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | thats all for images from my side | 16:39 |
| GrueMaster | erm, how will that work? ENOSERIAL | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:39 |
| NCommand1r | ogra_: link would be nice, might be able to get my AC100 to do something | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | indeed as framebuffer console image | 16:40 |
| GrueMaster | same here. | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | i'm not done yet | 16:40 |
| persia | Consoles are for folks that don't trust their headless images. | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | i update the netbook image at the same time to the latest kernel | 16:40 |
| * ppisati awaits impatiently for a headless AC100 image | 16:40 | |
| infinity | Consoles are for people who can't pre-generate an sshd key. | 16:40 |
| infinity | It's all the rage. | 16:40 |
| NCommand1r | consoles are what I play games on :-P | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | well, i usally announce new images on the ac100 ML | 16:41 |
| NCommand1r | anything on the image issue, or can I move on? | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | i should have the headless one by tomorrow evening, latest mid weekend | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | NCommand1r, move :) | 16:41 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:42 |
| GrueMaster | Currently attending QA Automation sprint. | 16:42 |
| GrueMaster | Learning about Jenkins and discussing various automation tools & techniques that I can apply to arm. | 16:42 |
| GrueMaster | I've also started FS benchmarking on home systems. | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | so we can forward our java quesions to you in the future ? | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | now that you know jenkins | 16:44 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, it will work w/o java on the test system, using ssh & serial console. | 16:44 |
| GrueMaster | (although java is better) | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | heh, depends :) | 16:44 |
| GrueMaster | Will work to setup a jenkins environment when I return home. | 16:45 |
| NCommand1r | anyting else? | 16:45 |
| GrueMaster | I'm good. | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | noting else | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:45 |
| GrueMaster | NCommand1r: Moving right along.... | 16:46 |
| NCommand1r | [topic] AOB | 16:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:47 |
| NCommand1r | If nothing else | 16:48 |
| NCommand1r | closing in 3 | 16:48 |
| NCommand1r | 2 | 16:48 |
| NCommand1r | 1 | 16:48 |
| NCommand1r | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:48. | 16:48 |
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| pitti | kees, cjwatson: hello | 19:00 |
| pitti | I pinged Keybuk an sabdfl in #u-devel, and mdz is on holiday | 19:01 |
| pitti | hm, *tock tock*, is this thing on? | 19:03 |
| * broder waves at pitti | 19:04 | |
| micahg | pitti: and here too :) | 19:04 |
| pitti | ooh, I'm not alone! | 19:04 |
| pitti | is 1/6 quorum? | 19:05 |
| broder | i just saw Keybuk show up, so you're up to 2 :-P | 19:05 |
| pitti | Keybuk: aah, hey Scott! how are you? | 19:05 |
| pitti | broder: I googled him :) | 19:05 |
| nigelb | haha | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | I will show up if it makes anyone feel better ;) | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | pitti: hey, good thanks, you? | 19:07 |
| pitti | charlie-tca: I feel better, but not the quorum :) | 19:07 |
| pitti | Keybuk: pretty well, thanks | 19:07 |
| nigelb | So, googling Keybuk now summons him? :) | 19:08 |
| Keybuk | nigelb: just talking about me anywhere on the Internet | 19:08 |
| nigelb | heh | 19:08 |
| * persia fears the return of kirby | 19:08 | |
| Keybuk | you mean kibo | 19:10 |
| pitti | Keybuk: so, that's our chance to turn the whole ubuntu policy upside down! | 19:10 |
| Keybuk | yes! | 19:11 |
| pitti | [agreed] devs get a beer for every upload | 19:11 |
| Keybuk | [agreed] switch to systemd | 19:11 |
| Keybuk | [agreed] switch to chrome | 19:11 |
| pitti | [agreed] posting to mailing lists costs karma | 19:11 |
| Keybuk | [agreed] switch to gnome shell | 19:11 |
| pitti | [agreed] sync-source.py -f -F -a | 19:11 |
| maco | rebase on centos instead of debian? | 19:12 |
| maco | port yast? | 19:12 |
| Keybuk | [agreed] rename to GNU/Debian/Ubuntu Linux | 19:12 |
| broder | devs get a beer for every upload> +eleventy | 19:12 |
| pitti | aaanyway | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | oh, I forgot | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | [agreed] rewrite Unity in C# | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | (yes, BoycottNovell, you can have that one for free :p) | 19:13 |
| nigelb | [agreed] 2 is quorum? | 19:13 |
| pitti | I think we have to postpone this; most of the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda can be discussed on the ML as well | 19:13 |
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| * pitti volunteers himself for being the next chair | 19:14 | |
| pitti | ugh, what a hard meeting | 19:14 |
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| cjwatson | oh, hell, I'm sorry, I missed this | 19:32 |
| cjwatson | was cooking | 19:32 |
| maco | hopefully something tasty? | 19:33 |
| cjwatson | nowt special | 19:35 |
| * cjwatson is not normally the cook of the household | 19:36 | |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: that's ok, it was a productive meeting - we agreed many things | 19:39 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: hello Colin | 19:52 |
| * pitti just back from typing replies to the agenda items via email | 19:53 | |
| pitti | I think the banshee, partner policy, and install success measuring are adequate for email discussion/voting, and the ubuntun series owner is not that urgent | 19:53 |
| sbeattie | pitti: sorry, kees is also on holiday this week. | 19:54 |
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