=== AndrewMC` is now known as AndrewMC === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === maco2 is now known as maco === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-zzz === noy_ is now known as noy === noy_ is now known as noy === AndrewMC is now known as Guest65795 === Guest65795 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest8756 === Guest8756 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest95893 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Guest95893 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest63456 === Guest63456 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest7644 === Guest7644 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest49732 === doko_ is now known as doko === Guest49732 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest31865 === Ursinha-zzz is now known as Ursinha === Guest31865 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest12810 === Guest12810 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest78670 [15:59] #startmeeting [15:59] Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommand1r. [15:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview [16:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview [16:00] plop [16:00] hello [16:00] morning all [16:00] who's here? [16:00] o/ [16:00] * GrueMaster is not here. [16:01] \o [16:01] * davidm thinks he is in London [16:01] k, good enough [16:01] * davidm is sure he is not in the Freenode servers [16:01] [topic] Action Item Review [16:01] New Topic: Action Item Review [16:01] [topic] NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch [16:01] New Topic: NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch [16:01] reviwed, fine for merging [16:02] ogra_: are oytugoing to handle actually merging it? [16:02] i just didnt get to it yet (and was secretly hoping NCommand1r finds spare time :P) [16:02] if you dont do it before i'll try to get to it tomorrow after the release team meeting [16:03] * NCommand1r just realized he was NCommand1r ... [16:03] I assume it has been tested? [16:03] who did you think you were? [16:03] NCommander :-P [16:04] [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved [16:04] New Topic: NCommander to get Documentation spec approved [16:04] co [16:04] [topic] Standing Items [16:04] New Topic: Standing Items [16:04] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [16:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [16:04] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html [16:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html [16:05] GrueMaster, hasnt been tested in real environment yet ... but we'll have to shake out bugs anyway :) [16:05] trendline doesn't look so good ... [16:06] Several of mine are done or in progress but not indicated. [16:06] NCommand1r, i know, waiting for the last spec to land [16:07] * GrueMaster hates the syntax parser for the wi tracker. [16:07] NCommand1r, i dont want to set the trendline twice [16:07] Do you need to set the trendline for it to see that I have stuff done? [16:08] GrueMaster, no [16:08] its just a helpful diagonal line, thats all :) [16:08] but the start value for it has to be set manually in the code [16:09] So why aren't my tasks showing as done? [16:09] so until NCommand1r#s doc spec is approved i wont set it [16:09] GrueMaster, when did you change the WIs ? [16:09] the tracker runs once a day iirc [16:09] last week. [16:10] for a couple. two days ago for some others. [16:10] >24hrs ago. === Guest78670 is now known as AndrewMC [16:10] weird [16:11] lets look after the meeting === AndrewMC is now known as Guest62338 [16:11] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [16:11] New Topic: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [16:12] So I've discovered that my panda apparantly dislikes USB/ethernet when running with an oneiric userland on the d-i netboot image. This incidently become a bit of a blocker w.r.t. to continuing to work on it [16:12] NCommand1r: didn't you find anyone with a panda a2? [16:12] when are you back in portland ? [16:12] so you can use another panda [16:12] Mine are tied up until I return. [16:13] well, PXE booting will also have to wait until at least next week [16:13] ogra_: I'm basically depwait GrueMaster until next week [16:13] right [16:13] so no more server netbooting this week then [16:13] NCommand1r: I tested it here this morning and had networking through the eth0 port. [16:14] ogra_: well, I still have a base-installer branch that needs review [16:14] GrueMaster, A2 board too ? [16:14] ogra_: mine is an A1 [16:14] He "shouldn't" have an A2. [16:14] according to the panda I was pointed to [16:14] didnt you say revision 0020 ? [16:14] * ogra_ thought that indicated A2 [16:14] his is oneof davidm's batch. [16:15] Anything that came from me is a A1 [16:15] and it booted maverick & natty before I gave it to him. [16:15] so it's an a2, it's the same batch that had the bootloader problem with maverick [16:15] IT's all I have [16:15] ah [16:15] how did that A2 stuff come up then ? [16:15] hmpf [16:16] http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions [16:16] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) [16:16] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) [16:16] LINK received: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions [16:16] The cpuid changed between EA1 & A1. [16:16] devmem2 0x4A002204 [16:16] to get the board revision [16:16] as we discussed this morning, oneiric/ti-omap4 is still MIA [16:17] well, there is the natty kernel which we will use until we have something new that works [16:17] the usb issue turned out to be an upstream kernel bug revealed with tghe switch to gcc 4.6 [16:17] yep [16:17] thats usually how we do it anyway [16:17] i see that toolchain played back the ball to the kernel team court for the USB bug ? [16:18] lp#791552 [16:18] yep [16:18] bug 791552 [16:18] * ogra_ pokes the bot [16:18] Launchpad bug 791552 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552 [16:18] heh [16:18] helps [16:18] Bot needs coffee. [16:18] anyway, it seems it's *arm related, so as soon as distro start switching to 4.6 [16:19] it'll be an high priority for everyone [16:19] right now i'm looking at [16:19] right, but michaelh said there its an issue to solve in the kernel code [16:19] bug 608312 [16:19] Launchpad bug 608312 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "USB host mode on OTG doesn't work on Maverick with BeagleBoard" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608312 [16:19] ogra_: yes, the issue is in the kernel [16:20] you think they are related ? [16:20] ogra_: but the known workaround don't work for us [16:20] yeah [16:20] ogra_: nope, i was just taking a break from CVE :) [16:20] yea, thanks for that. [16:20] besides this, nothing new [16:20] GrueMaster: but it seems i've no OTG hw here [16:20] * GrueMaster grumbles about pending propossed kernel testin to do. [16:21] yep, there's a pending kernel for every distro/flavour [16:21] have fun :) [16:21] ppisati: Just get gadget working for now. [16:21] I'll give to an OTG cable at the rally. [16:22] GrueMaster: i think i bought OTG cables but whatever i attach them [16:22] keyboard, mouse, etc. [16:22] GrueMaster: the status in musb_hdrc/mode doesn't work [16:22] doesn't change [16:22] It puts the otg port into host mode. [16:22] well, fix it. [16:22] GrueMaster: is it a micro -> normal usb female? [16:23] (hence the bug) [16:23] micro b. Wiring change. [16:23] GrueMaster: actually it was supposed to work on lucid, but it doesn't work there neither [16:23] iirc it worked in maverick on omap. [16:24] how about we keep a TODO to look into that in dublin ? [16:24] k [16:24] yep. next [16:24] where we have HW and cables [16:24] * ppisati agrees [16:26] * GrueMaster shakes the NCommand1r bot. [16:26] * ogra_ hears the rattling [16:26] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:26] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:27] some progress yesterday, during the porting jam [16:27] threee hoorays from everyone to hrw ... he attacks chromium atm :) [16:27] but not very noticable if you look at the QA webpage, is still read [16:27] well, doko fixed libnih [16:27] that should give us upstart soon [16:28] nice - although I was under the impression that was a binutils issue [16:28] chromium I mean [16:28] A wild chromium attacks [16:28] well, he was testbuilding a fix last i saw him in #ubuntu-arm [16:29] anyway, we're not massively worse than other arches on the ftbfs page [16:29] which is pretty cool for that state of the cycle :) [16:30] move ? [16:30] tp-glib is dying on a test failure? I might have to look at why that is. [16:31] infinity, i think there are (closed) bugs from the last three cycles [16:31] look through launchpad, iirc one had a papertrail of tracking down the issue [16:32] *nod* [16:33] ogra_: Hrm, the old bug was a SEGV in the tests, this just lookg like a timeout, but I'll have to reproduce locally and see. [16:33] hmm, k [16:33] then it might be different this time [16:34] infinity, the old one was a gcc miscompilation when passed -fshrink-wrap which is now disabled. Could be another one though [16:34] I was under the impression it was ld this time [16:34] there were older ones [16:34] the most recent one then :) [16:34] we had the same segfault every release in the past [16:34] and worked around it with -O1 [16:34] janimo: I was led to believe it was ld exploding too, but I just looked at the build log, and all I see is a test timing out. Anyhow, can take this out-of-band and test more later. [16:35] yeah [16:35] NCommand1r, move ... [16:36] * GrueMaster listens to the silence. somewhere in the distance, a wolf howls. [16:36] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:36] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:36] * davidm thinks NCommand1r is stick in a loop [16:37] sorry, suffering from serious lag issues [16:37] * ogra_ points to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ [16:37] Isn't that always true? [16:37] infinity: ouch [16:37] we have desktop images [16:37] ogra_: \o/ [16:37] (with 1G of crap on them though, and no manifest files yet) [16:38] maniofest is fixed now and should show up with next build [16:38] i'll put in some time tomorrow to see how we can clean up and get smaller images [16:38] that works [16:38] beyond that i did soem work on a headless natty ac100 image ... server and kernel people asked for it [16:39] thats all for images from my side [16:39] erm, how will that work? ENOSERIAL [16:39] heh [16:39] ogra_: link would be nice, might be able to get my AC100 to do something [16:40] indeed as framebuffer console image [16:40] same here. [16:40] i'm not done yet [16:40] Consoles are for folks that don't trust their headless images. [16:40] i update the netbook image at the same time to the latest kernel [16:40] * ppisati awaits impatiently for a headless AC100 image [16:40] Consoles are for people who can't pre-generate an sshd key. [16:40] It's all the rage. [16:40] consoles are what I play games on :-P [16:41] heh [16:41] well, i usally announce new images on the ac100 ML [16:41] anything on the image issue, or can I move on? [16:41] i should have the headless one by tomorrow evening, latest mid weekend [16:41] NCommand1r, move :) [16:42] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:42] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:42] Currently attending QA Automation sprint. [16:42] Learning about Jenkins and discussing various automation tools & techniques that I can apply to arm. [16:43] I've also started FS benchmarking on home systems. [16:43] so we can forward our java quesions to you in the future ? [16:44] now that you know jenkins [16:44] Actually, it will work w/o java on the test system, using ssh & serial console. [16:44] (although java is better) [16:44] heh, depends :) [16:45] Will work to setup a jenkins environment when I return home. [16:45] anyting else? [16:45] I'm good. [16:45] noting else [16:45] :) [16:46] NCommand1r: Moving right along.... [16:47] [topic] AOB [16:47] New Topic: AOB [16:48] If nothing else [16:48] closing in 3 [16:48] 2 [16:48] 1 [16:48] #endmeeting [16:48] Meeting finished at 10:48. === NCommand1r is now known as NCommander === Guest62338 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest29241 === Guest29241 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest1706 === Lcawte is now known as Guest22889 [19:00] kees, cjwatson: hello [19:01] I pinged Keybuk an sabdfl in #u-devel, and mdz is on holiday [19:03] hm, *tock tock*, is this thing on? [19:04] * broder waves at pitti [19:04] pitti: and here too :) [19:04] ooh, I'm not alone! [19:05] is 1/6 quorum? [19:05] i just saw Keybuk show up, so you're up to 2 :-P [19:05] Keybuk: aah, hey Scott! how are you? [19:05] broder: I googled him :) [19:05] haha [19:06] I will show up if it makes anyone feel better ;) [19:07] pitti: hey, good thanks, you? [19:07] charlie-tca: I feel better, but not the quorum :) [19:07] Keybuk: pretty well, thanks [19:08] So, googling Keybuk now summons him? :) [19:08] nigelb: just talking about me anywhere on the Internet [19:08] heh [19:08] * persia fears the return of kirby [19:10] you mean kibo [19:10] Keybuk: so, that's our chance to turn the whole ubuntu policy upside down! [19:11] yes! [19:11] [agreed] devs get a beer for every upload [19:11] [agreed] switch to systemd [19:11] [agreed] switch to chrome [19:11] [agreed] posting to mailing lists costs karma [19:11] [agreed] switch to gnome shell [19:11] [agreed] sync-source.py -f -F -a [19:12] rebase on centos instead of debian? [19:12] port yast? [19:12] [agreed] rename to GNU/Debian/Ubuntu Linux [19:12] devs get a beer for every upload> +eleventy [19:13] aaanyway [19:13] oh, I forgot [19:13] [agreed] rewrite Unity in C# [19:13] (yes, BoycottNovell, you can have that one for free :p) [19:13] [agreed] 2 is quorum? [19:13] I think we have to postpone this; most of the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda can be discussed on the ML as well === Guest1706 is now known as AndrewMC [19:14] * pitti volunteers himself for being the next chair [19:14] ugh, what a hard meeting === AndrewMC is now known as Guest70836 [19:32] oh, hell, I'm sorry, I missed this [19:32] was cooking [19:33] hopefully something tasty? [19:35] nowt special [19:36] * cjwatson is not normally the cook of the household [19:39] cjwatson: that's ok, it was a productive meeting - we agreed many things === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje [19:52] cjwatson: hello Colin [19:53] * pitti just back from typing replies to the agenda items via email [19:53] I think the banshee, partner policy, and install success measuring are adequate for email discussion/voting, and the ubuntun series owner is not that urgent [19:54] pitti: sorry, kees is also on holiday this week. === Guest22889 is now known as Lcawte === Guest70836 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest80193 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Guest80193 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest76011 === Guest76011 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest56790 === Ursinha is now known as Ursula === Guest56790 is now known as AndrewMC === AndrewMC is now known as Guest47879 === Guest47879 is now known as AndrewMC