[00:01] break it apart into seperate talks [00:03] yeah, suppose so, I'll ping him about it [00:03] at least throw up the original on archive.org so you or I could download it, process it, and upload to youtube/whatever [00:22] greg-g: no, I forgot my camera, but remembered it for tonight [00:26] crap, those would be good pictures for the loco flickr group [00:27] yeah :/ [00:27] we fail at promotion [00:27] I'm at least writing up a blog post right now [00:33] emailed gib [00:33] we'll see what his plan is [00:39] ah, super-s and super-w make me so happy [00:41] huh, neat :) [00:42] hey, i just experienced an annoyance from osx on unity! we're finally there! [00:43] dialog box from an app opened on a different workspace, hard to find where it went [00:56] what the flip, where did my skype credit go?! I used to have that default 10 cents and never used it, now I have 0.00! [01:11] If you are a Silverlight or C# developer, take a deep breath and think about a time [01:11] before ASP.NET/C# when you might have had to develop web apps in VBScript. You [01:12] are about to enter a similar space. [01:14] greg-g: http://ubuntuone.com/p/zFB/ [01:14] That's my slides [01:16] greg-g: nope, sorry [01:17] snap-l: awesome, thanks [01:17] np [01:17] widox: boo, no thanks for you :P [01:18] :'( [01:20] This canvas book is great. [01:20] This is one of only two examples in this entire book that will work with [01:20] Internet Explorer 8 or earlier. [01:20] It's "hello world" [01:21] lol [01:31] greg-g: rick_h_: smoser: well, so much for that. [01:31] I ordered an X220 [01:34] jcastro: hah, I am just looking at them right now [01:34] widox: amazon has one for http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004URCEVM/ref=ox_ya_os_product [01:34] I overnighted it [01:34] and I'll put the new intel ssd I have in it. [01:35] and that drive in this one and then just sell it with windows on it to someone [01:38] nice [01:39] evening :) [01:42] jcastro: That's the 120? [01:43] yeah [01:43] the intel 510 [01:43] No, I meant the laptop. [01:44] I was thinking of picking up the x120 [01:45] yeah [01:45] too many problems with the wireless in the kernel right now and I need something solid for next week's sprint [01:45] So if you're looking for a willing buyer, I'm offering up myself. :) [01:46] sure. [01:53] Yoko Ono? [02:00] btw: I'm totally using gnome-open to open files now. [02:00] I used to use xdg-open, but gnome is easier to type [02:01] so, thanks smoser! === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink [03:07] snap-l: wtf nonsense are you talking about "silverlight or C# developer" that doesn't even make sense. [03:27] I swear, you must have keyword searches. [03:28] This is for a HTML5 Canvas book [03:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFuyE_VBeO8&feature=autoshare&has_verified=1 [05:26] Well, that was neato [05:26] had a kernel oops [06:48] I'm trying to run this file, it is called wsw_server. [06:48] This is the command I'm using: [06:48] ./wsw_server [06:48] It says permission denied. [06:49] I'm pretty sure I have to do something related to chmod with this but I'm unsure what value I should use, for example: chmod +x wsw_server [07:03] , [12:03] snap-l: this. is. amazing. (Samuel L Jackson reading Go the Fuck to Sleep) [12:08] http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/open-source-dropbox-alternatives-to-start-building-a-file-storage-sharing-system/ [12:09] jcastro: will be happy to see the never dying iFolder in the list [12:10] hadn't seen syncany before [12:52] I love the IQBox philosophy [12:52] Just put a pretty front end in front of SVN and call it a day. [12:53] I fully expect one with git any day now [12:54] and if /me read the article, he'd realize that Sparkleshare probably fits the bill [12:55] Hm, Ididn't realize that Sparkleshare was based on git. This is interesting to me. [13:09] yea, that's their thing [13:09] which is funny because git's supposed to not be good with large binary files [13:09] which it would seem a backup/sync would be full of [13:09] yeah, i was wondering about that part [13:09] your .git would be huge! [13:10] unless there is some way to optimize that. --rebase? [13:10] no idea [13:10] rebase every 1000 commits or something [13:10] * greg-g shrugs [13:18] Well, git does vacuum from time to time [13:18] but I've had instances where git just sat there and spun for a very long time [13:19] huh [13:20] Yeah, while it was busily trying to compress / vacuum [13:20] Whatever they called it. :) === Wolfger_ is now known as Wolfger [13:21] I just had someone ask me about my shut the box code that I have on Sourceforge [13:24] now you have 2 people asking you [13:25] what is your shut the box code? [13:26] what is shut-the-box? [13:27] http://decafbad.net/projects/shutbox/ [13:27] It's an old, old GTK+ app that I wrote [13:28] cool [13:28] Shut the box is a dice / tile game, where you roll dice, and try to shut enough tiles to add up to the dice roll [13:41] ok, so the firefox launcher has an 'Open a new window' option if you right click. why is this not on every launcher [13:43] working in unity today, btw. i left the mbp at home for the first time in 6 months [13:43] because why would you right click on the launcher when you can do ctrl-n? [13:44] i want it to open in a different workspace [13:44] then fire [13:44] not hunt around for where the other instance is sitting, open a new one, then move it [13:45] if you run the command again does it not spawn a new windows in your current workspace? [13:46] no, if the program is already open, clicking the launcher brings you to the running instance [13:46] I didn't say click anything [13:46] you can middle-click to open a new instance, but middle click is hairy on my laptop [13:46] I mean doesn't the windows key bring down the gnome-do ish thingy you can type in? [13:46] yes [13:46] and if you enter that a second time you don't get a new window? [13:47] yes, that works [13:48] i think my frustration stems from the launcher and the default click behavior being the same as in osx. but in osx you can right click and select 'open new window' on any launcher [13:49] ubuntu has embraced and crippled this behavior [13:50] I thought they were supposed to embrace and extend... [13:50] ctrl-alt-t for a new terminal is awesome though. i ner got something like that working on osx [13:50] brousch: well, I think each launcher needs app-specific rules [13:50] firefox has it, but chrome doesn't [13:50] ctrl+alt+t? that doesnt' do anything for me [13:51] brousch: right, so the desktop file for that app needs to be updated [13:51] is my guess [13:51] that should open a new terminal instance [13:51] from anywhere? [13:51] yeah [13:52] I've had that set as ctrl+ [13:52] ... since I started using gnome :) [13:54] i didn't get into gnome-do, so i've always opened programs by clicking an icon [13:54] * greg-g loves gnome-do [13:54] can't live without it [13:55] isn't it pointless with unity's lenses? [13:56] heh [13:56] I wouldn't think so, until there are some much better lenses [13:57] ef lenses, that means I have to move my mouse way over to the left [13:58] I'm just a ctrl+space away from every program/file/folder on my system [13:58] yuck, over steeped tea :( [13:58] greg-g: I hate it when I do that [13:59] I need a steeper with build in timer, and loud at that [13:59] no kidding [13:59] detects the sudden rise in temp and starts a 5min timer for me [13:59] :) [13:59] with a little dial to set it for 3, 4, 5, 6 minutes (depending on the tea) [14:00] right, sorry, I'm a black tea guy so forget about those other buttons :P [14:02] :) yeah, this one was black [14:09] I love it... temp-activated timer [14:10] ... and PATENTED! [14:10] ;) [14:11] Hey, don't be killing off our wild-eyed ideas with patents yet. [14:12] Although I do want to patent that stupid scrollbar thingie that canonical did [14:12] and sue them so they stop using it [14:13] Really damn annoying [14:14] I actually don't mind it [14:14] * greg-g ducks [14:15] greg-g: You'd better duck [14:15] Try this. [14:15] Get a large page of information [14:15] at least several screenfulls [14:15] Move your mouse to the bottom [14:16] and try to scroll [14:16] Before: Click in the trench, and move a screenful [14:16] now: find where the orange bit is, move next to it, and hope that it's not near the edge of the screen [14:17] .... [14:18] using patents to stop people from doing really stupid and annoying things? [14:18] I like it! [14:18] It's patently stupid. :) [14:18] bazinga [14:19] In a patent manner; openly, plainly, or clearly: a patently false statement. [14:19] In a patent manner; openly, plainly, or clearly: a patently false statement. [14:19] Sorry, didn't mean to double paste [14:19] That's what patently means [14:20] I love that one of the definitions of patent means "open" [14:20] as in not keeping secret [14:23] hehe, well, they *are* *supposed* to be a quid pro quo of disclosing the technology to the public, but you being the only entity to be able to createa product using it [14:23] which is why software patents don't make sense, they don't actually disclose anything other than a over generalized paragraph that isn't even close to pseudocode [14:24] Well, because if they put actual code in there, they'd give someone the ability to work around it [14:24] Because TMTOWTDI [14:24] ? [14:25] There's more than one way to do it [14:26] The Perl motto [14:29] i got interviewed. i'm famous now! http://www.rapidgrowthmedia.com/innovationnews/0616conga.aspx [14:31] brousch: That's awesome! [14:31] hah, awesome! [14:32] snap-l: I think I shall name my next video game character Tim Toady.... [14:33] brousch: congrats on your 15 minutes :-) [14:40] the radio interview with the same media outlet should be played on the 24th [14:40] soon i'll have 300 minutes! [14:40] 30 [14:43] if they're really starved for content, 300 minutes. [14:44] But radio stations are quick to cut and edit [14:44] you'll likely get 3 minutes [14:45] while the segment on how dogs have emotional bonds with their owners will get 10 [14:46] "Sadie, an daschund, is the most striking example of these human / dog bonds" [14:46] it's supposedly a 15 minute segment. we spent like 1.5 hours recording it [14:50] the ubuntu forums are good for something! found a work around to a virtualenv pil libjpeg bug [14:57] W00t [15:11] snap-l: no, i just read the backlog. but silverlight or C# developer for html5 canvas book... neato! [15:17] snap-l: you know someone wrote a C# and XNA compiler that compiles down to html5 canvas and JS? === jrwren is now known as MikeyG_ === MikeyG_ is now known as jrwren [15:43] no no no no no [15:44] man it feels good to be back on linux [15:46] brousch: congrats! [16:00] snap-l: weird, you like disappeared from the chat thing in the music thing [16:00] Huh. "Noto" is Italian for "well-known".... And now we see where "notorious" comes from. [16:00] jcastro: "the chat thing in the music thing"? [16:01] http://outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars [16:01] Wolfger: ^ [16:01] shared music listening [16:01] jcastro: That's weird. [16:01] Still in there. [16:01] oh, right, the service I can't log into because it requires one of two logins which are verboten from work [16:02] Wolfger: And will be banned from work because it's a streaming music service. [16:02] snap-l: oh hey they responded to me [16:02] thay're thinking about openid [16:02] Bless them [16:03] snap-l: not necessarily.... I mean, it's not pictures of cars or anything like that... [16:03] ;-) [16:03] That one I don't et. [16:03] I mean, how much more assinie can you get. [16:04] Google Voice on http is verboten, Google Voice on https is fine.... [16:04] That's just smart. :) [16:05] and last I checked, all the popular translation pages were forbidden as well [16:06] which was very odd for a company owned by a foreign company... it's like they didn't want us reading the German edition of the DaimlerChrysler intranet site [16:06] Yeah, they don't want you creating an international incident [16:06] I am a jelly doughnut [16:07] No, seriously, I need a diet and exercise regimen. [16:07] Mistranslating one thing, or figuring out what your Italian / German overlords are doing. [16:08] i had a lot of refresh issues with outloud yesterday [16:08] my chats never went through and i had to reload the page to get it to refresh anything [16:10] snap-l: heya, throw on a bunch of Yes, educate me [16:10] None of it is ripped [16:10] reminder: I lost my music hard drive [16:10] ouch [16:13] Even better, Banshee won't rip anything from Musicbrainz that has multiple entries [16:13] ie: US release, EU release, etc. [16:19] jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqAJqFQcGE [16:19] snap-l: k3b ftw [16:20] I don't care which desktop manager you use, k3b is the best [16:20] just pretend it's not a k app [16:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0mQvObVVdU [16:31] https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6f1dafc8beb84f2ac [16:31] Oh damn [16:32] Check the install.sh script. [16:35] snap-l: WOW [16:35] amazing what a space will do [16:40] ug forgot to license my new program [16:43] what's this affero thing? [16:43] snap-l: wow, that's one heck of a bug [16:44] brousch: what kind of program? [16:44] web app server [16:45] then Affero means that if anyone takes the code and runs an instance, anyone who access that instance can request the source under the terms of the AGPL [16:45] it closes the "web loophole" of the GPL [16:46] sounds good [16:46] because, under the GPL, someone could take the code and make substantial modifications, put up a new instance, and not be obligated to share their changes even though users are using it [16:46] because they aren't really "Running" it [16:46] right, there was no "conveyance" [16:47] no distribution [16:47] the GPL is invoked on distribution. AGPL is invoked on use, basically [16:47] i cheated and looked at bookie, which is how i saw it [16:47] * greg-g nods [16:47] rick_h_ and I had a skype chat about that choice [16:47] rick_h_: i think you have extra crap at the bottom of your COPYING file [16:48] heh, the "how to apply" part [16:48] vetted by rick_h_ and greg-g? it has to be good [16:48] patches welcome :P [16:49] I can push up a change later [16:49] that's ok, just me being sarcastic :) [16:49] :) [16:49] s'ok, that's just me being dense and overly helpful :) [16:50] pushed [16:51] thanks guys [16:57] man, this is great [16:57] so I've got a cron job sending me errors the last two day, odd since I've not touched it in a long while [16:57] snap-l: I've got some more Porcupine Tree lined up on outloud [16:57] ping the IT guy and let him know about this strange error, see if he's seen it [16:57] Who pushed crap? [16:57] snap-l: I pushed an update to my copying file in bookie [16:58] oh, pushed music crap ? [16:58] rick_h_: No, I was talking about your cron error. :) [16:58] so he replies back "I checked the and that server's not been touched/changed in months" [16:59] later on check with my boss "Oh hmm, we're bringing up a replacement for that server and we copied over your cron jobs, I wonder if that's the issue?" [16:59] new box, new python, new mysql libraries, of course that's wtf is broken [16:59] the IT guy never mentions that yesterday he brought up a dupe of this box to me...ugh [16:59] "It's not been updated in months...but..." [16:59] rick_h_: Um, that's pretty major change [17:00] you'd think that someone would mention that even in passing [17:00] yea, might mention it you'd think :) [17:21] snap-l: good news, my laptop shipped, we can go as early as tommorrow if you want [17:26] up to you [17:30] * snap-l wonders if there's a nightly build of banshee [17:31] yes, yes there is [17:31] what laptop? [17:31] Jorge is having trouble with his X120e [17:31] and bought a X220 to replace it [17:31] and I offered to buy the X120e [17:35] are you getting the usb wifi with it as part of the deal :P [17:38] I ordered that via Amazon last night [17:38] Prime 2 day shipping. ;) [17:38] ah, good stuff [17:39] usb wifi? [17:39] Now to convince JoDee that I'm not going to be a swear-monster for five days trying to get things working onit [17:39] jrwren: yessir [17:40] run usb over wifi will be slow :p [17:40] Thank you, Cpt. Obvious. ;) [17:41] so why do it? [17:41] you hate wires? [17:41] I think you just broke my brain [17:42] jrwren: http://ubuntuone.com/p/zXR/ [17:43] It's because the regular wireless card is busticated under a newer kernel [17:43] Just a stop-gap [17:43] OH!!! I get it now. [17:44] btw: Not calling you stupid, just happened to be the motivator poster I had on hand [17:52] pfff [17:52] you mention that as if I'd take offense to you calling me stupid :) [17:55] but there really is a wireless usb [17:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB [17:57] Yeah, they came up with that around the same time that Bluetooth really took off [17:57] i has to use a wifi dongle for 3 releases [17:57] had [17:58] it's good to know even the jcastros get bitten by those things [17:59] Dude, you should see jcastro's laptops sometime [17:59] I think they have little positioning stickers like crash test dummies. [18:00] After release party, Jorge sighs because it's back to the unstable mines for another release cycle. [18:02] heh, i guess that explains it. i only see him at release parties [18:03] heh [18:03] dogfooding can be a bitch [18:03] for example tonight I am using Jill's laptop for the lugwash presentation [18:03] my stuff is always in various states of brokeness [18:13] I'm trying to run this file, it is called wsw_server. [18:13] This is the command I'm using: [18:13] ./wsw_server [18:13] It says permission denied. [18:13] I'm pretty sure I have to do something related to chmod with this but I'm unsure what value I should use. === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink [18:14] chmod +x wsw_server [18:14] Sweet, thank you. [18:14] anyone need an old 29" non-flat tv? [18:14] she needs a new home, some lovin [18:16] Where are you located, my friend has been looking for a new tv. [18:16] clarkston [18:16] east side, dtw area [18:17] Ah, thats a ways. [18:18] I'll tell him about it still though. [18:18] When I do chmod +x wsw_server and then do ./wsw_server it says "cannot execut binary file" [18:19] what is this file? [18:20] Is the executable file for my warsow server. [18:22] Are you doing this under tmp? [18:22] /tmp [18:22] No there all in a subfolder of my home directory. [18:22] is there a .in file in there? [18:22] or a .sh? [18:23] No there isn't. [18:53] Yay, new Banshee works better with Musicbrainz [18:53] so I'm back on a ripping streak [18:55] After I do chmod +x wsw_server and then do ./wsw_server it says "cannot execute binary file" [18:56] Team-Xlink: Where did you get this binary file? [18:57] ie: What's the tar file / zip file that you downloaded? [18:57] From the zip archive from this link: wget http://www.zcdn.org/dl/warsow_0.61_unified.zip found on this page: http://www.warsow.net/download/ === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink [18:58] I don't believe its corrupted, because I've setup an ftp server to get the zip from my windows pc and it still didn't work, I also tried doing the already extracted files instead of the .zip. [18:59] * snap-l downloads to see what's up [18:59] Will be cone in about 15 minutes [18:59] s/cone/done/ [18:59] Sweet, thank you! [19:01] save for their downloads keep interrupting [19:03] Yeah, using wget to get that was rather tedious and took a long while to get one that fully downloaded. [19:03] Trying the torrent file. [19:03] I think there's only one other person seeding this [19:03] and some douchey offer to download someone's torrent client [19:05] Here, I'll start up my torrent as well. [19:05] I'm now seeding it. [19:06] Now we're cooking with gas [19:10] Yeah, my upload speed isn't the greatest at the moment. [19:20] OK, I know what the problem is [19:21] :D [19:21] #1 they're using zip, so permissions aren't kept [19:21] Oh. [19:21] #2: You need to run chmod on the following: [19:22] chmod +x *.i386 *.x86_64 [19:22] wsw_server is a script that calls one of the executables (wsw_server.i386 or wsw_server.x86_64) [19:29] It still gives me the same error. [19:29] Do I have to reboot? [19:29] no, you shouldn't [19:29] Paste the exact error that you're getting [19:31] I'm using the same moniI'm using the same monitor for irc computer that I am for the server compuiter so I can't see what I'm typing, but here you go: [19:32] chmod +x *.i386 *.x86_64 [19:32] ./wsw_server [19:32] bash: ./wsw_server: {ermission denied [19:32] Then if I try and use sudo bash: [19:32] Why? [19:32] sudo bash wsw_server [19:32] Why would you try to sudo something like that? [19:33] wsw_server: wsw_server: cannot execute binary file [19:33] Alright, I'm back to the irc. [19:34] Well, it said permission denied, so I tried to do it as root. [19:34] greg-g: we reapply this year right? [19:34] Too see if it made a difference. [19:34] greg-g: I'm going to try to find someone to help refresh the logo [19:34] Bad habit [19:34] sudo is not the same as "force" [19:34] Ah. [19:35] What does ./wsw_server.i386 give you? [19:41] wtf is wsw server? [19:42] a game [19:42] Warsow [19:46] Its the server for the game. [19:46] I'm testing your fix now. [19:47] When I do ./wsw_server.i386 [19:47] It tells me: [19:47] ./wsw_server.i386: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.4: cannot open shared object file:no such file or directory. [19:47] IT looks like I'm missing libcurl. [19:48] I'll aptget it now. [19:48]