[16:19] Anybody have any links to an overview of Fedoras decision process to go to systemd? [16:24] wasabi1: Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/vFeQt.jpg [16:28] haha [16:52] So I notice the Upstart.ubuntu.com page is pretty unmaintained. [16:52] Latest release 0.6.7? [20:24] Hello. I'm trying to use upstart to control a python program that daemonizes itself. [20:25] The problem (apparently) the python script starts a new process that thus upstart isn't aware of. How to remedy? [20:29] got it: expect daemon [21:09] Is there a way to have to restart succeed even if the job isn't already running (i.e. behave like start if job isn't running)? [21:21] no [21:21] stop job; start job [23:39] can anyone tell me how i might start a screen via upstart so i can attach to something that starts at boot later? [23:39] 'exec screen -dm bash', for example, fails in upstart but works from the shell [23:47] "fails?" [23:48] 'terminated with status 1' in the log files, followed by auto-respawns until it stops for going too quickly [23:48] what's your start on stanza [23:48] actually can you paste your conf? [23:49] http://pastie.org/private/wfzagb0p8wieak9ce20aea [23:49] after lots of playing with the real thing (which is a wordy attempt to get a lisp image running that i can get into and debug), i cannot even get that to work [23:50] it has not pasted correctly [23:50] it seems [23:50] there is a newline before the end script :) [23:51] try playing with the start on being rc [23:52] this is with 'service spocq start' [23:53] running at boot isn't the trick, it just errors when it runs