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charlie-tcaset irc.color.item_away !white02:31
charlie-tcawiki/moinmoin upgrade today in about 11 hours13:26
charlie-tcaMaybe it will help with the slowness and errors !13:26
knomeawwh13:27
charlie-tcaWe can hope, can'13:31
charlie-tcaWe can hope, can't we?13:31
knomeyes, but let's not keep too high expectations13:32
charlie-tcaMine are already soaring... ;)13:33
knomejust remember that it hurts more when you start falling higher13:41
charlie-tcaoh, very true13:47
TheSheepbtw, if you have any trouble with moinmoin...14:02
* TheSheep points to his cloak14:02
charlie-tcaTheSheep: moinmoin desktop edition will not work with python higher than 2.614:07
TheSheepcharlie-tca: desktop edition is discontinued since a while, regular moin can be now run on your desktop14:09
TheSheepcharlie-tca: also, I rather meant help with config and troubleshooting, you can file bug reports yourself ;)14:13
charlie-tcaRunning moinmoin 1.9.314:13
charlie-tcaTheSheep: I had to hope you would know how to make it work with a higher version of python, since 2.6 is being phased away14:14
TheSheepcharlie-tca: can you pastebin the traceback?14:14
charlie-tcaoh, no, I dumped the trace and went back to 2.6, so I could use it.14:15
charlie-tcaI will have to reset everything, grab the trace, and try this again, huh?14:15
charlie-tcawait, let me try something.14:15
TheSheepcharlie-tca: I can try installing it and running it locally14:16
TheSheepcharlie-tca: later today14:16
TheSheepcharlie-tca: but I'm pretty sure that all the devs use newest python14:19
charlie-tcahere it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/14:20
charlie-tcaWhat' s the newest? I thought it was 1.9.3 14:20
TheSheepcharlie-tca: it is, but I only have a repository checkout at the moment14:25
TheSheepcharlie-tca: what I meant by "all devs use newest python" is that it was tested with 2.7 for sure14:25
charlie-tcaoh, I ran the trace. Is it time to file a bug?14:25
TheSheepcharlie-tca: so the error might be in your config14:25
TheSheepcharlie-tca: please pastebin the trace14:25
charlie-tcahere it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/14:26
TheSheepwhy is it trying to execute  "CharlieKravetz/BugNotes" ?14:27
TheSheepdo you have any custom plugins?14:27
charlie-tcabecause it doesn' t fail until I open a page in the browser14:27
charlie-tcathen it fails for any page14:28
charlie-tcaTheSheep: I don' t think I have any custom plugins14:28
charlie-tcaastraljava, Unit193 : images won't install yet. We do have 386 images only today. 14:29
charlie-tcaIf anyone tries the desktop image, we want to know if there is a Xubuntu session?14:29
TheSheepcharlie-tca: ok, I'm digging into it, thanks for the report14:29
charlie-tcaThanks for looking at it. Let me know if I should file a bug report14:29
TheSheepcharlie-tca: ok, found it, you have to clear the cache14:30
charlie-tcaReally?14:31
charlie-tcaI will try that then14:31
TheSheepcharlie-tca: moinmoin caches things as pickles that contain python code too14:31
astraljavacharlie-tca: Sure I can try later this evening.14:47
charlie-tcaastraljava: never mind. The desktop cd is broken too. It might be fixed tomorrow, since they rebuilt Ubuntu today and it is working with 20110616.1 only16:14
charlie-tcaDo we want to do a Developer Week session ?16:16
mr_pouitcharlie-tca: xfce packages are liste in the manifest at least16:24
mr_pouit*listed16:24
charlie-tcanothing works though. No 64bit images for anyone today, and they just rebuilt ubuntu to make it work16:26
charlie-tcamr_pouit: Should I sign up for Developer Week this time?16:27
charlie-tcaIt gets word out, but you might have all the help we want this cycle?16:27
mr_pouitwell, we've caught micahg :P (maybe we should add him to xubuntu-dev on LP so he can't escape anymore)16:28
charlie-tcaI think we should. He is doing a lot for us16:28
* micahg waves18:34
* knome tickles micahg 18:34
micahghehe, stop that...18:35
pleia2knome: when I open the new xubuntu theme on my mini9 (1024 resolution) the image+javascript spills out of the white box18:36
pleia2any way we can make it stay inside?18:36
knomepleia2, sure, we just need to fix the width for the imageslider column18:37
pleia2cool18:37
ochosiwill you add arrows to the slider as well?18:37
knomeochosi, probably not, but if that's a common wish, then i suppose i could do that.18:39
* ochosi == common? ;)18:39
knomenope :P18:39
ochosinot sure, most of the sliders on websites i know have those arrows18:40
ochosiso i kinda got used to them and expect them18:40
knomei know, but i suppose that also depends on the usecase18:41
ochosiyeah, but i'm really talking about very similar usecases18:41
knomemmh18:41
ochosibtw, what about a tiny drop shadow around the outline?18:42
ochosiwould make it feel a bit more "spacial"18:42
knomelol18:42
knomewell18:42
knomeyou mean the whole page outline?18:42
ochosiye18:42
knomemaybe18:43
knomeneed to think that tomorrow, or weekend18:43
ochosie.g. this one has nice drop shadows around the boxes: http://elementaryos.org/discover/18:44
knomeright, well, at least css3 is okay18:44
knomei'm not sure if it's worth it with non-css318:45
micahgany css3 stuff should still degrade gracefully18:45
ochosicss3-only +118:45
micahgi.e. the spec isn't finalized and support still isn't there across the board18:46
knomemicahg, yeah.18:46
knomemicahg, but the question was about delivering the effect to non-css3-supporting browsers, and i don't think that's worth it18:46
micahgah, ok, as long as it still looks good on non css3 browsers, I think it's fine to make CSS3 browsers super awesome18:47
ochosi:)18:47
ochosiknome: did you hear that? make it super-awesome you css3-daredevil ;)18:48
knome:P18:48
charlie-tcawhich browsers are non css3?18:48
knomei'll make it look like ochosi's poop18:48
micahgand of course if you guys find something not supported in Firefox, we'll work to get that fixed :)18:48
knomecharlie-tca, firefox <4, ie <9, ...18:48
knomemicahg, what about the full css3 spec? :P18:48
micahgknome: if you get it finished and accepted, I'm sure Mozilla will add missing support :)18:49
charlie-tcaold ones, only? or will we be including midori, opera, etc in not looking good?18:49
* micahg isn't sure about webkit and CSS318:49
knomecharlie-tca, i don't know that well. maybe micahg knows better. but as he said, css3 degrades gracefully, so no problem even if it looked awesome on ff4 & co :)18:50
micahgknome: no, I didn't say that, I said that you should make sure whatever you add degrades gracefully :)18:50
micahgerr...I didn't mean to say that18:51
charlie-tcaI am more concerned with the ones it doesn' t look awesome on. We do want things working right, with midori, epiphany, firefox, etc, at least the later versions18:51
charlie-tcaIf a user in lucid has issues with the site because the browser isn' t up-to-date enough, the site is not okay.18:51
knomecharlie-tca, no, css3 will degrade gracefully, so that's not a problem.18:52
charlie-tcaokay18:52
micahgcharlie-tca: mr_pouit how about switching evince for epdfview19:57
charlie-tcadoes epdfview offer us anything?19:58
charlie-tcaWhat is the difference in using them, do we gain anything?19:59
micahgwell, evince pulls in gnome libs19:59
micahgalso, it's GTK3 now, epdfview is GTK220:00
charlie-tcabut what about functionallity? If we are losing something, that would be bad. 20:00
micahgevince does a lot more formats, but I wonder if anyone cares about them20:00
micahg!info evince20:00
ubottuevince (source: evince): Document (postscript, pdf) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1 (natty), package size 177 kB, installed size 668 kB20:00
charlie-tcaOh, well, I am all for epdfview then! :)20:00
micahgIt can display and print20:01
micahg PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable20:01
micahg Document Format (PDF) files.20:01
micahgdo we care about anything but PDF?20:01
micahgif no, then epdfview should be fine20:01
charlie-tcaThey can install evince if they really want those. epdfview does let you read / print pdf files?20:01
micahgyep20:01
charlie-tca"pdf"  should be the key here20:01
charlie-tcabluefish lets me read almost file, but it is not default either20:02
charlie-tcaIt is kind of overkill for just a text editor20:02
astraljavaHi. Network issues still continue from yesterday, so I'm gonna bail out and have some sleep instead. Tomorrow I need to call the support line and ask around, as I noticed from their service notifications that they made some big software updates on their network devices yesterday. Clearly something's bust.20:08
charlie-tcamicahg: no objection if mr_pouit agrees20:10

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