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| charlie-tca | set irc.color.item_away !white | 02:31 |
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| charlie-tca | wiki/moinmoin upgrade today in about 11 hours | 13:26 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe it will help with the slowness and errors ! | 13:26 |
| knome | awwh | 13:27 |
| charlie-tca | We can hope, can' | 13:31 |
| charlie-tca | We can hope, can't we? | 13:31 |
| knome | yes, but let's not keep too high expectations | 13:32 |
| charlie-tca | Mine are already soaring... ;) | 13:33 |
| knome | just remember that it hurts more when you start falling higher | 13:41 |
| charlie-tca | oh, very true | 13:47 |
| TheSheep | btw, if you have any trouble with moinmoin... | 14:02 |
| * TheSheep points to his cloak | 14:02 | |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: moinmoin desktop edition will not work with python higher than 2.6 | 14:07 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: desktop edition is discontinued since a while, regular moin can be now run on your desktop | 14:09 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: also, I rather meant help with config and troubleshooting, you can file bug reports yourself ;) | 14:13 |
| charlie-tca | Running moinmoin 1.9.3 | 14:13 |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: I had to hope you would know how to make it work with a higher version of python, since 2.6 is being phased away | 14:14 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: can you pastebin the traceback? | 14:14 |
| charlie-tca | oh, no, I dumped the trace and went back to 2.6, so I could use it. | 14:15 |
| charlie-tca | I will have to reset everything, grab the trace, and try this again, huh? | 14:15 |
| charlie-tca | wait, let me try something. | 14:15 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: I can try installing it and running it locally | 14:16 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: later today | 14:16 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: but I'm pretty sure that all the devs use newest python | 14:19 |
| charlie-tca | here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/ | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | What' s the newest? I thought it was 1.9.3 | 14:20 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: it is, but I only have a repository checkout at the moment | 14:25 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: what I meant by "all devs use newest python" is that it was tested with 2.7 for sure | 14:25 |
| charlie-tca | oh, I ran the trace. Is it time to file a bug? | 14:25 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: so the error might be in your config | 14:25 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: please pastebin the trace | 14:25 |
| charlie-tca | here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/ | 14:26 |
| TheSheep | why is it trying to execute "CharlieKravetz/BugNotes" ? | 14:27 |
| TheSheep | do you have any custom plugins? | 14:27 |
| charlie-tca | because it doesn' t fail until I open a page in the browser | 14:27 |
| charlie-tca | then it fails for any page | 14:28 |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: I don' t think I have any custom plugins | 14:28 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava, Unit193 : images won't install yet. We do have 386 images only today. | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | If anyone tries the desktop image, we want to know if there is a Xubuntu session? | 14:29 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: ok, I'm digging into it, thanks for the report | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for looking at it. Let me know if I should file a bug report | 14:29 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: ok, found it, you have to clear the cache | 14:30 |
| charlie-tca | Really? | 14:31 |
| charlie-tca | I will try that then | 14:31 |
| TheSheep | charlie-tca: moinmoin caches things as pickles that contain python code too | 14:31 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Sure I can try later this evening. | 14:47 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: never mind. The desktop cd is broken too. It might be fixed tomorrow, since they rebuilt Ubuntu today and it is working with 20110616.1 only | 16:14 |
| charlie-tca | Do we want to do a Developer Week session ? | 16:16 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: xfce packages are liste in the manifest at least | 16:24 |
| mr_pouit | *listed | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | nothing works though. No 64bit images for anyone today, and they just rebuilt ubuntu to make it work | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: Should I sign up for Developer Week this time? | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | It gets word out, but you might have all the help we want this cycle? | 16:27 |
| mr_pouit | well, we've caught micahg :P (maybe we should add him to xubuntu-dev on LP so he can't escape anymore) | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | I think we should. He is doing a lot for us | 16:28 |
| * micahg waves | 18:34 | |
| * knome tickles micahg | 18:34 | |
| micahg | hehe, stop that... | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | knome: when I open the new xubuntu theme on my mini9 (1024 resolution) the image+javascript spills out of the white box | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | any way we can make it stay inside? | 18:36 |
| knome | pleia2, sure, we just need to fix the width for the imageslider column | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | cool | 18:37 |
| ochosi | will you add arrows to the slider as well? | 18:37 |
| knome | ochosi, probably not, but if that's a common wish, then i suppose i could do that. | 18:39 |
| * ochosi == common? ;) | 18:39 | |
| knome | nope :P | 18:39 |
| ochosi | not sure, most of the sliders on websites i know have those arrows | 18:40 |
| ochosi | so i kinda got used to them and expect them | 18:40 |
| knome | i know, but i suppose that also depends on the usecase | 18:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, but i'm really talking about very similar usecases | 18:41 |
| knome | mmh | 18:41 |
| ochosi | btw, what about a tiny drop shadow around the outline? | 18:42 |
| ochosi | would make it feel a bit more "spacial" | 18:42 |
| knome | lol | 18:42 |
| knome | well | 18:42 |
| knome | you mean the whole page outline? | 18:42 |
| ochosi | ye | 18:42 |
| knome | maybe | 18:43 |
| knome | need to think that tomorrow, or weekend | 18:43 |
| ochosi | e.g. this one has nice drop shadows around the boxes: http://elementaryos.org/discover/ | 18:44 |
| knome | right, well, at least css3 is okay | 18:44 |
| knome | i'm not sure if it's worth it with non-css3 | 18:45 |
| micahg | any css3 stuff should still degrade gracefully | 18:45 |
| ochosi | css3-only +1 | 18:45 |
| micahg | i.e. the spec isn't finalized and support still isn't there across the board | 18:46 |
| knome | micahg, yeah. | 18:46 |
| knome | micahg, but the question was about delivering the effect to non-css3-supporting browsers, and i don't think that's worth it | 18:46 |
| micahg | ah, ok, as long as it still looks good on non css3 browsers, I think it's fine to make CSS3 browsers super awesome | 18:47 |
| ochosi | :) | 18:47 |
| ochosi | knome: did you hear that? make it super-awesome you css3-daredevil ;) | 18:48 |
| knome | :P | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | which browsers are non css3? | 18:48 |
| knome | i'll make it look like ochosi's poop | 18:48 |
| micahg | and of course if you guys find something not supported in Firefox, we'll work to get that fixed :) | 18:48 |
| knome | charlie-tca, firefox <4, ie <9, ... | 18:48 |
| knome | micahg, what about the full css3 spec? :P | 18:48 |
| micahg | knome: if you get it finished and accepted, I'm sure Mozilla will add missing support :) | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | old ones, only? or will we be including midori, opera, etc in not looking good? | 18:49 |
| * micahg isn't sure about webkit and CSS3 | 18:49 | |
| knome | charlie-tca, i don't know that well. maybe micahg knows better. but as he said, css3 degrades gracefully, so no problem even if it looked awesome on ff4 & co :) | 18:50 |
| micahg | knome: no, I didn't say that, I said that you should make sure whatever you add degrades gracefully :) | 18:50 |
| micahg | err...I didn't mean to say that | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | I am more concerned with the ones it doesn' t look awesome on. We do want things working right, with midori, epiphany, firefox, etc, at least the later versions | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | If a user in lucid has issues with the site because the browser isn' t up-to-date enough, the site is not okay. | 18:51 |
| knome | charlie-tca, no, css3 will degrade gracefully, so that's not a problem. | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 18:52 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: mr_pouit how about switching evince for epdfview | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | does epdfview offer us anything? | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | What is the difference in using them, do we gain anything? | 19:59 |
| micahg | well, evince pulls in gnome libs | 19:59 |
| micahg | also, it's GTK3 now, epdfview is GTK2 | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | but what about functionallity? If we are losing something, that would be bad. | 20:00 |
| micahg | evince does a lot more formats, but I wonder if anyone cares about them | 20:00 |
| micahg | !info evince | 20:00 |
| ubottu | evince (source: evince): Document (postscript, pdf) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1 (natty), package size 177 kB, installed size 668 kB | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, well, I am all for epdfview then! :) | 20:00 |
| micahg | It can display and print | 20:01 |
| micahg | PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable | 20:01 |
| micahg | Document Format (PDF) files. | 20:01 |
| micahg | do we care about anything but PDF? | 20:01 |
| micahg | if no, then epdfview should be fine | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | They can install evince if they really want those. epdfview does let you read / print pdf files? | 20:01 |
| micahg | yep | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | "pdf" should be the key here | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | bluefish lets me read almost file, but it is not default either | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | It is kind of overkill for just a text editor | 20:02 |
| astraljava | Hi. Network issues still continue from yesterday, so I'm gonna bail out and have some sleep instead. Tomorrow I need to call the support line and ask around, as I noticed from their service notifications that they made some big software updates on their network devices yesterday. Clearly something's bust. | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: no objection if mr_pouit agrees | 20:10 |
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