=== xrdodrx` is now known as 18WAAILYF === xrdodrx` is now known as xrdodrx === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [02:31] set irc.color.item_away !white [13:26] wiki/moinmoin upgrade today in about 11 hours [13:26] Maybe it will help with the slowness and errors ! [13:27] awwh [13:31] We can hope, can' [13:31] We can hope, can't we? [13:32] yes, but let's not keep too high expectations [13:33] Mine are already soaring... ;) [13:41] just remember that it hurts more when you start falling higher [13:47] oh, very true [14:02] btw, if you have any trouble with moinmoin... [14:02] * TheSheep points to his cloak [14:07] TheSheep: moinmoin desktop edition will not work with python higher than 2.6 [14:09] charlie-tca: desktop edition is discontinued since a while, regular moin can be now run on your desktop [14:13] charlie-tca: also, I rather meant help with config and troubleshooting, you can file bug reports yourself ;) [14:13] Running moinmoin 1.9.3 [14:14] TheSheep: I had to hope you would know how to make it work with a higher version of python, since 2.6 is being phased away [14:14] charlie-tca: can you pastebin the traceback? [14:15] oh, no, I dumped the trace and went back to 2.6, so I could use it. [14:15] I will have to reset everything, grab the trace, and try this again, huh? [14:15] wait, let me try something. [14:16] charlie-tca: I can try installing it and running it locally [14:16] charlie-tca: later today [14:19] charlie-tca: but I'm pretty sure that all the devs use newest python [14:20] here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/ [14:20] What' s the newest? I thought it was 1.9.3 [14:25] charlie-tca: it is, but I only have a repository checkout at the moment [14:25] charlie-tca: what I meant by "all devs use newest python" is that it was tested with 2.7 for sure [14:25] oh, I ran the trace. Is it time to file a bug? [14:25] charlie-tca: so the error might be in your config [14:25] charlie-tca: please pastebin the trace [14:26] here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/ [14:27] why is it trying to execute "CharlieKravetz/BugNotes" ? [14:27] do you have any custom plugins? [14:27] because it doesn' t fail until I open a page in the browser [14:28] then it fails for any page [14:28] TheSheep: I don' t think I have any custom plugins [14:29] astraljava, Unit193 : images won't install yet. We do have 386 images only today. [14:29] If anyone tries the desktop image, we want to know if there is a Xubuntu session? [14:29] charlie-tca: ok, I'm digging into it, thanks for the report [14:29] Thanks for looking at it. Let me know if I should file a bug report [14:30] charlie-tca: ok, found it, you have to clear the cache [14:31] Really? [14:31] I will try that then [14:31] charlie-tca: moinmoin caches things as pickles that contain python code too [14:47] charlie-tca: Sure I can try later this evening. [16:14] astraljava: never mind. The desktop cd is broken too. It might be fixed tomorrow, since they rebuilt Ubuntu today and it is working with 20110616.1 only [16:16] Do we want to do a Developer Week session ? [16:24] charlie-tca: xfce packages are liste in the manifest at least [16:24] *listed [16:26] nothing works though. No 64bit images for anyone today, and they just rebuilt ubuntu to make it work [16:27] mr_pouit: Should I sign up for Developer Week this time? [16:27] It gets word out, but you might have all the help we want this cycle? [16:28] well, we've caught micahg :P (maybe we should add him to xubuntu-dev on LP so he can't escape anymore) [16:28] I think we should. He is doing a lot for us [18:34] * micahg waves [18:34] * knome tickles micahg [18:35] hehe, stop that... [18:36] knome: when I open the new xubuntu theme on my mini9 (1024 resolution) the image+javascript spills out of the white box [18:36] any way we can make it stay inside? [18:37] pleia2, sure, we just need to fix the width for the imageslider column [18:37] cool [18:37] will you add arrows to the slider as well? [18:39] ochosi, probably not, but if that's a common wish, then i suppose i could do that. [18:39] * ochosi == common? ;) [18:39] nope :P [18:40] not sure, most of the sliders on websites i know have those arrows [18:40] so i kinda got used to them and expect them [18:41] i know, but i suppose that also depends on the usecase [18:41] yeah, but i'm really talking about very similar usecases [18:41] mmh [18:42] btw, what about a tiny drop shadow around the outline? [18:42] would make it feel a bit more "spacial" [18:42] lol [18:42] well [18:42] you mean the whole page outline? [18:42] ye [18:43] maybe [18:43] need to think that tomorrow, or weekend [18:44] e.g. this one has nice drop shadows around the boxes: http://elementaryos.org/discover/ [18:44] right, well, at least css3 is okay [18:45] i'm not sure if it's worth it with non-css3 [18:45] any css3 stuff should still degrade gracefully [18:45] css3-only +1 [18:46] i.e. the spec isn't finalized and support still isn't there across the board [18:46] micahg, yeah. [18:46] micahg, but the question was about delivering the effect to non-css3-supporting browsers, and i don't think that's worth it [18:47] ah, ok, as long as it still looks good on non css3 browsers, I think it's fine to make CSS3 browsers super awesome [18:47] :) [18:48] knome: did you hear that? make it super-awesome you css3-daredevil ;) [18:48] :P [18:48] which browsers are non css3? [18:48] i'll make it look like ochosi's poop [18:48] and of course if you guys find something not supported in Firefox, we'll work to get that fixed :) [18:48] charlie-tca, firefox <4, ie <9, ... [18:48] micahg, what about the full css3 spec? :P [18:49] knome: if you get it finished and accepted, I'm sure Mozilla will add missing support :) [18:49] old ones, only? or will we be including midori, opera, etc in not looking good? [18:49] * micahg isn't sure about webkit and CSS3 [18:50] charlie-tca, i don't know that well. maybe micahg knows better. but as he said, css3 degrades gracefully, so no problem even if it looked awesome on ff4 & co :) [18:50] knome: no, I didn't say that, I said that you should make sure whatever you add degrades gracefully :) [18:51] err...I didn't mean to say that [18:51] I am more concerned with the ones it doesn' t look awesome on. We do want things working right, with midori, epiphany, firefox, etc, at least the later versions [18:51] If a user in lucid has issues with the site because the browser isn' t up-to-date enough, the site is not okay. [18:52] charlie-tca, no, css3 will degrade gracefully, so that's not a problem. [18:52] okay [19:57] charlie-tca: mr_pouit how about switching evince for epdfview [19:58] does epdfview offer us anything? [19:59] What is the difference in using them, do we gain anything? [19:59] well, evince pulls in gnome libs [20:00] also, it's GTK3 now, epdfview is GTK2 [20:00] but what about functionallity? If we are losing something, that would be bad. [20:00] evince does a lot more formats, but I wonder if anyone cares about them [20:00] !info evince [20:00] evince (source: evince): Document (postscript, pdf) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1 (natty), package size 177 kB, installed size 668 kB [20:00] Oh, well, I am all for epdfview then! :) [20:01] It can display and print [20:01] PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable [20:01] Document Format (PDF) files. [20:01] do we care about anything but PDF? [20:01] if no, then epdfview should be fine [20:01] They can install evince if they really want those. epdfview does let you read / print pdf files? [20:01] yep [20:01] "pdf" should be the key here [20:02] bluefish lets me read almost file, but it is not default either [20:02] It is kind of overkill for just a text editor [20:08] Hi. Network issues still continue from yesterday, so I'm gonna bail out and have some sleep instead. Tomorrow I need to call the support line and ask around, as I noticed from their service notifications that they made some big software updates on their network devices yesterday. Clearly something's bust. [20:10] micahg: no objection if mr_pouit agrees