[02:31] <charlie-tca> set irc.color.item_away !white
[13:26] <charlie-tca> wiki/moinmoin upgrade today in about 11 hours
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe it will help with the slowness and errors !
[13:27] <knome> awwh
[13:31] <charlie-tca> We can hope, can'
[13:31] <charlie-tca> We can hope, can't we?
[13:32] <knome> yes, but let's not keep too high expectations
[13:33] <charlie-tca> Mine are already soaring... ;)
[13:41] <knome> just remember that it hurts more when you start falling higher
[13:47] <charlie-tca> oh, very true
[14:02] <TheSheep> btw, if you have any trouble with moinmoin...
[14:02]  * TheSheep points to his cloak
[14:07] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: moinmoin desktop edition will not work with python higher than 2.6
[14:09] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: desktop edition is discontinued since a while, regular moin can be now run on your desktop
[14:13] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: also, I rather meant help with config and troubleshooting, you can file bug reports yourself ;)
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Running moinmoin 1.9.3
[14:14] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: I had to hope you would know how to make it work with a higher version of python, since 2.6 is being phased away
[14:14] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: can you pastebin the traceback?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> oh, no, I dumped the trace and went back to 2.6, so I could use it.
[14:15] <charlie-tca> I will have to reset everything, grab the trace, and try this again, huh?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> wait, let me try something.
[14:16] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I can try installing it and running it locally
[14:16] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: later today
[14:19] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: but I'm pretty sure that all the devs use newest python
[14:20] <charlie-tca> here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/
[14:20] <charlie-tca> What' s the newest? I thought it was 1.9.3 
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: it is, but I only have a repository checkout at the moment
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: what I meant by "all devs use newest python" is that it was tested with 2.7 for sure
[14:25] <charlie-tca> oh, I ran the trace. Is it time to file a bug?
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: so the error might be in your config
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: please pastebin the trace
[14:26] <charlie-tca> here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/
[14:27] <TheSheep> why is it trying to execute  "CharlieKravetz/BugNotes" ?
[14:27] <TheSheep> do you have any custom plugins?
[14:27] <charlie-tca> because it doesn' t fail until I open a page in the browser
[14:28] <charlie-tca> then it fails for any page
[14:28] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: I don' t think I have any custom plugins
[14:29] <charlie-tca> astraljava, Unit193 : images won't install yet. We do have 386 images only today. 
[14:29] <charlie-tca> If anyone tries the desktop image, we want to know if there is a Xubuntu session?
[14:29] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: ok, I'm digging into it, thanks for the report
[14:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks for looking at it. Let me know if I should file a bug report
[14:30] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: ok, found it, you have to clear the cache
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Really?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> I will try that then
[14:31] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: moinmoin caches things as pickles that contain python code too
[14:47] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sure I can try later this evening.
[16:14] <charlie-tca> astraljava: never mind. The desktop cd is broken too. It might be fixed tomorrow, since they rebuilt Ubuntu today and it is working with 20110616.1 only
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Do we want to do a Developer Week session ?
[16:24] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: xfce packages are liste in the manifest at least
[16:24] <mr_pouit> *listed
[16:26] <charlie-tca> nothing works though. No 64bit images for anyone today, and they just rebuilt ubuntu to make it work
[16:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Should I sign up for Developer Week this time?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> It gets word out, but you might have all the help we want this cycle?
[16:28] <mr_pouit> well, we've caught micahg :P (maybe we should add him to xubuntu-dev on LP so he can't escape anymore)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> I think we should. He is doing a lot for us
[18:34]  * micahg waves
[18:34]  * knome tickles micahg 
[18:35] <micahg> hehe, stop that...
[18:36] <pleia2> knome: when I open the new xubuntu theme on my mini9 (1024 resolution) the image+javascript spills out of the white box
[18:36] <pleia2> any way we can make it stay inside?
[18:37] <knome> pleia2, sure, we just need to fix the width for the imageslider column
[18:37] <pleia2> cool
[18:37] <ochosi> will you add arrows to the slider as well?
[18:39] <knome> ochosi, probably not, but if that's a common wish, then i suppose i could do that.
[18:39]  * ochosi == common? ;)
[18:39] <knome> nope :P
[18:40] <ochosi> not sure, most of the sliders on websites i know have those arrows
[18:40] <ochosi> so i kinda got used to them and expect them
[18:41] <knome> i know, but i suppose that also depends on the usecase
[18:41] <ochosi> yeah, but i'm really talking about very similar usecases
[18:41] <knome> mmh
[18:42] <ochosi> btw, what about a tiny drop shadow around the outline?
[18:42] <ochosi> would make it feel a bit more "spacial"
[18:42] <knome> lol
[18:42] <knome> well
[18:42] <knome> you mean the whole page outline?
[18:42] <ochosi> ye
[18:43] <knome> maybe
[18:43] <knome> need to think that tomorrow, or weekend
[18:44] <ochosi> e.g. this one has nice drop shadows around the boxes: http://elementaryos.org/discover/
[18:44] <knome> right, well, at least css3 is okay
[18:45] <knome> i'm not sure if it's worth it with non-css3
[18:45] <micahg> any css3 stuff should still degrade gracefully
[18:45] <ochosi> css3-only +1
[18:46] <micahg> i.e. the spec isn't finalized and support still isn't there across the board
[18:46] <knome> micahg, yeah.
[18:46] <knome> micahg, but the question was about delivering the effect to non-css3-supporting browsers, and i don't think that's worth it
[18:47] <micahg> ah, ok, as long as it still looks good on non css3 browsers, I think it's fine to make CSS3 browsers super awesome
[18:47] <ochosi> :)
[18:48] <ochosi> knome: did you hear that? make it super-awesome you css3-daredevil ;)
[18:48] <knome> :P
[18:48] <charlie-tca> which browsers are non css3?
[18:48] <knome> i'll make it look like ochosi's poop
[18:48] <micahg> and of course if you guys find something not supported in Firefox, we'll work to get that fixed :)
[18:48] <knome> charlie-tca, firefox <4, ie <9, ...
[18:48] <knome> micahg, what about the full css3 spec? :P
[18:49] <micahg> knome: if you get it finished and accepted, I'm sure Mozilla will add missing support :)
[18:49] <charlie-tca> old ones, only? or will we be including midori, opera, etc in not looking good?
[18:49]  * micahg isn't sure about webkit and CSS3
[18:50] <knome> charlie-tca, i don't know that well. maybe micahg knows better. but as he said, css3 degrades gracefully, so no problem even if it looked awesome on ff4 & co :)
[18:50] <micahg> knome: no, I didn't say that, I said that you should make sure whatever you add degrades gracefully :)
[18:51] <micahg> err...I didn't mean to say that
[18:51] <charlie-tca> I am more concerned with the ones it doesn' t look awesome on. We do want things working right, with midori, epiphany, firefox, etc, at least the later versions
[18:51] <charlie-tca> If a user in lucid has issues with the site because the browser isn' t up-to-date enough, the site is not okay.
[18:52] <knome> charlie-tca, no, css3 will degrade gracefully, so that's not a problem.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit how about switching evince for epdfview
[19:58] <charlie-tca> does epdfview offer us anything?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> What is the difference in using them, do we gain anything?
[19:59] <micahg> well, evince pulls in gnome libs
[20:00] <micahg> also, it's GTK3 now, epdfview is GTK2
[20:00] <charlie-tca> but what about functionallity? If we are losing something, that would be bad. 
[20:00] <micahg> evince does a lot more formats, but I wonder if anyone cares about them
[20:00] <micahg> !info evince
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Oh, well, I am all for epdfview then! :)
[20:01] <micahg> It can display and print
[20:01] <micahg>  PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable
[20:01] <micahg>  Document Format (PDF) files.
[20:01] <micahg> do we care about anything but PDF?
[20:01] <micahg> if no, then epdfview should be fine
[20:01] <charlie-tca> They can install evince if they really want those. epdfview does let you read / print pdf files?
[20:01] <micahg> yep
[20:01] <charlie-tca> "pdf"  should be the key here
[20:02] <charlie-tca> bluefish lets me read almost file, but it is not default either
[20:02] <charlie-tca> It is kind of overkill for just a text editor
[20:08] <astraljava> Hi. Network issues still continue from yesterday, so I'm gonna bail out and have some sleep instead. Tomorrow I need to call the support line and ask around, as I noticed from their service notifications that they made some big software updates on their network devices yesterday. Clearly something's bust.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> micahg: no objection if mr_pouit agrees