[00:40] <linuxman410> are the going to put another irc client in next version of lubuntu since they are dropping xchat
[00:43] <linuxman410> anyone here
[00:43] <Unit193> linuxman410: You can always install xchat and Pidgin is an IRC client
[00:44] <linuxman410> Unit193 why are they removing it using too much memory
[01:01] <Unit193> linuxman410: IIRC, to free some space on the CD
[01:16] <Slick666> Hi all
[01:16] <Slick666> I was looking at doing a lubuntu 64-bit install
[01:17] <Slick666> any way to do this?
[01:17] <phillw> yup
[01:17] <phillw> the topic as the links :)
[01:18] <Slick666> oh yea
[01:21] <Slick666> this might be a little newbish but is it easy to install next to a regular ubuntu install
[01:22] <Slick666> so I would have Windows/Ubuntu/Lubuntu
[01:41] <phillw> Slick666: yes, it is...
[01:43] <phillw> Slick666: how well do you know ubuntu and the disk system?
[01:43] <Slick666> A decent amount
[01:43] <Slick666> I wasn't sure how well the install would play with the Grub that was already there
[01:44] <phillw> grub lives on the MBR area - when you install a new OS grub just needs telling to go and find it @:)
[01:44] <Slick666> cool
[01:45] <phillw> the way I do it, is extended partitions - as you can only have 4 primary ones
[02:38] <linuxman410> have they decided on lxde or lightdm yet
[02:38] <linuxman410> for 11.10
[02:39] <linuxman410> anyone here
[02:40] <linuxman410> phillw you here
[02:44] <Unit193> linuxman410: Not quite yet
[02:44] <linuxman410> Unit193 they are not going to unity are they
[02:47] <linuxman410> Unit193 you here
[02:47] <Unit193> linuxman410: Lubuntu = LXDE, not Unity
[02:47] <linuxman410> thanks
[02:47] <linuxman410> Unit193 i do not like unity or gnome 3
[02:48] <Unit193> linuxman410: I'm not going with Unity any time soon, nor do I plan to use Gnome (XFCE isn't bad though)
[02:51] <linuxman410> Unit193 i prefer lxde or openbox
[12:50] <maahes> I er...have a weird problem: my version dependencies for lxde in natty are all screwed up
[12:57] <maahes> lxde-core won't install because lxde-common won't install and lxde-common won't install because lxsession won't install. lxsession by itself installs fine. And all version numbers meet the dependency requirements.
[12:57] <maahes> and these are the latest lxde packages in natty, so I'm confused
[12:58] <maahes> lubuntu can't be broken
[13:00] <maahes> the whole reason I'm wanting to install btw, is so that I can get lxsession/settings/appearance to work with awesomewm
[13:00] <maahes> so far lxappearance isn't effecting my gtk settings at all
[13:04] <maahes> or rather...nevermind it is, its just not effecting synaptic
[13:05] <maahes> also lxinput crashes when I try and change the mouse settings but this is a known issue with no fix yet, so yey.
[13:08] <pmatulis> is there any way to sync files with ubuntu one?
[14:45] <leszek> hi
[17:21] <gumus> hi all
[17:21] <gumus> does anyone know how to connect to FTP server?
[17:22] <gumus> when i searched for it most of the solutions were for ubuntu
[17:23] <phillw> gumus: I use filezilla for my ftp stuff. I'm sure there are other ways, but I'm used to that one :)
[17:24] <szczur> gumus, you can just run filemanager and put ftp://user@server as a path
[17:24] <szczur> same thing for sftp or ssh
[17:27] <phillw> also chromium 'should' now support ftp... http://blog.chromium.org/2009/09/new-ftp-implementation-goes-live.html
[17:27] <szczur> make sure that gvfs-backends is installed
[17:27] <szczur> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[17:28] <bioterror> no one should support ftp
[17:28] <gumus> i'll take a look at it , thanks!
[17:28] <bioterror> let's start from there ;)
[17:28] <phillw> lol
[17:34] <gumus> wow
[17:34] <gumus> i didn't know it was easy that much
[17:40] <gumus> guys, i got one more question about FTP
[17:42] <gumus> i managed to reach the server as i wrote the address, however i want to make that common folder stable. is just bookmarking enough?
[19:52] <pmatulis> installed 11.04 yesterday.  so far i'm quite happy!
[19:54] <AmberJ> Hello
[19:55] <AmberJ> LXDE_menu -> Preferences -> Keyboard and Mouse exits when I try to change 'mouse sensitivity'...
[19:55] <AmberJ> amber@amberj-lubuntu:~$ lxinput
[19:55] <AmberJ> Segmentation fault
[19:56] <bioterror> !dgb
[19:56] <bioterror> noooo
[19:56] <bioterror> !backtrace
[19:57] <phillw> AmberJ: you on 11.04?
[19:58] <AmberJ> yes phillw
[19:59] <phillw> AmberJ: let me just fire it up..
[20:02] <phillw> AmberJ: I can confirm that on my  VM..... It's a little gremlin :(
[20:02] <bioterror> make backtrace and send it to launchpad
[20:02] <AmberJ> bioterror, doing that.
[20:04] <AmberJ> bioterror, the application hanged when I tried reproducing the error...When I try to Ctrl+c in gdb nothing happens...Any idea as to how I get past this?
[20:05] <bioterror> what :D
[20:05] <phillw-virtual> soz, just had to jump from 11-10 alpha1 back to 11-04 to confirm a bug. Jeez, these VM's are cute a s hell :D
[20:05] <AmberJ> bioterror, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Generation ....Step 4
[20:06] <phillw-virtual> whoops... wrong channel :-[
[20:06] <AmberJ> phillw, it still makes sense though :D
[20:06] <bioterror> do you see lxinput process?
[20:06] <bioterror> give it a kill witout -9
[20:07] <bioterror> without
[20:07] <bioterror> if it doesnt take just plain kill, give it then -9
[20:08] <AmberJ> didn't worked without -9...
[20:08] <AmberJ> Ok, got it killed with -9
[20:09] <AmberJ> bioterror, damn...now though the cursor flashes at terminal, it doesnot allows me to type anything at (gdb) prompt
[20:10] <bioterror> :D
[20:10] <bioterror> rather difficult to solve what's the problem
[20:10] <bioterror> phillw-virtual, do backtrace in your vm
[20:11] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: I do not know enough about the VM. The error should be logged somewhere.
[20:11] <phillw-virtual> if you can talk me through it - I will try. But am still 100% n00b at VM!
[20:11] <AmberJ> bioterror, http://codepad.org/zs458L5Q quickie look into current state of gdb log in case you are interested
[20:12] <AmberJ> phillw, using vbox?
[20:12] <bioterror> AmberJ, doesnt tell much =D
[20:13] <phillw-virtual> yeah - the oracle one. I've never used VM's before so am really new to it all!
[20:13] <AmberJ> phillw, So, you see lubuntu desktop....right
[20:13] <AmberJ> ?
[20:13] <AmberJ> Just open lxterminal...
[20:14] <AmberJ> and install gdb...
[20:14] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: do you want me to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Generation and install gdb?
[20:14] <bioterror> da
[20:14] <phillw-virtual> okies - I've done that before for pcmanfm :)
[20:16] <phillw-virtual> installed... next?
[20:18] <bioterror> continue guide
[20:18]  * phillw-virtual twiddles thumbs as awaits which <program> you want ;)  gdb <program> 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-<program>.txt  
[20:19] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: remember I'm admin / wiki - not a coder :P
[20:20] <phillw-virtual> 'phone... brb
[20:22] <AmberJ> phillw, <program> is lxinput
[20:22] <bioterror> phillw-virtual, then you should understand that your wiki stuff :D
[20:23] <phillw-virtual> lol
[20:24] <AmberJ> Isn't there a way to assign a shortcut to quickly switch from one keyboard layout to another?
[20:24] <AmberJ> lxkeymap doesnot seems to have one :(
[20:25] <phillw-virtual> AmberJ: there is - just let me sort this out 1st!
[20:26] <AmberJ> ok
[20:26] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: command done. do you want me to launch the program?
[20:27] <bioterror> how else you would backtrace it?-)
[20:29] <phillw-virtual> lol - it's nearly 2 years since I last used gdb - give this old dog a little while :)
[20:29] <phillw-virtual> It has successfully crashed
[20:29] <phillw-virtual> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[20:29] <phillw-virtual> 0x006f6300 in _XSend () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[20:29] <bioterror> now run rest of the commands
[20:30] <AmberJ> lol phillw over your reply: "It has successfully crashed" :D
[20:31] <AmberJ> That reminds me of http://amberj.devio.us/pub/funnie/lxde_error_msg.jpg ;)
[20:31] <bioterror> :D
[20:31] <phillw-virtual> A debugging session is active.
[20:31] <phillw-virtual> 	Inferior 1 [process 1816] will be killed.
[20:31] <phillw-virtual> Quit anyway? (y or n)
[20:31] <phillw-virtual> (after 'quit')
[20:33] <phillw-virtual> I assume 'y' but I do not wish to make an "ass" out of "u" and "me" ... please advise.
[20:34] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: ??
[20:34] <bioterror> press y then
[20:36] <phillw-virtual> -rw-r--r-- 1 phillw phillw  8573 2011-06-17 20:31 gdb-lxinput.txt
[20:36] <phillw-virtual> you want this?
[20:36] <bioterror> I dont want it, but lxinput developers might want ;)
[20:45] <phillw-virtual> AmberJ: can you pop onto https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxinput/+bug/798919 and confirm it (and say 'affects me) - thanks.
[20:47] <bioterror> phillw-virtual, where's the gdb-lxinput.txt stuff?
[20:48] <phillw-virtual> I told it to attach? :(
[20:48] <bioterror> y u launchpad no attachment!?
[20:48] <bioterror> :D
[20:52] <bioterror> gilir, hop
[20:54] <phillw-virtual> AmberJ: if you head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ you'll find multiple keyboards discussed at about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Multiple keyboard layouts :)
[20:55] <phillw-virtual> bioterror: is it there?
[20:55] <AmberJ> confirmed the bug.
[20:56] <phillw-virtual> thanks. It will keep the devs out of the pub for a night :P
[20:57] <bioterror> hurrrhhh... a link to forum discussion
[21:00] <phillw> bioterror: they had a good discussion on it. I think it is quite excellent and come 11-10 will be using it for the FAQ wiki side, as we do need to be able to support multiple languages.
[21:01] <phillw> My fun with the swede earlier is testament to the fact lubuntu 'can' do it, just needs some instructions :)
[21:01] <AmberJ> phillw, thanks for the link...
[21:03] <phillw> AmberJ: as you may tell, i'm a documenter - these guys on here are front line support. I will always do as requested to help the project, and they enjoy re-telling me stuff that I have not touched in over a year :)
[21:08] <AmberJ> phillw, these guys?
[21:08] <AmberJ> And, is lubuntu officially supported by canonical now?
[21:08] <AmberJ> Or, are you volunteer documenter?
[21:09] <bioterror> AmberJ, we are all volunteered
[21:09] <bioterror> and not yet, 11.10 will be "official"
[21:09] <phillw> I'm a volunteer, we all are. lubuntu is on track to be 'fully' canonical endorsed for 11-10
[21:10] <phillw> Canonical has very few 'employees' and many thousands and thousands of volunteers.
[21:15] <AmberJ> well yea...'voluteer', this is what most of open source is all about :)
[21:18] <phillw> bug #1
[21:39] <beef-supreme> anyone here use xmonad?
[21:39] <beef-supreme> i need help setting it up in such a way that it keeps a ?px margin
[21:39] <bioterror> what does lxde and xmonad have in common? :D
[21:40] <beef-supreme> x?