[00:33] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you do not need smartmontools to get smart data
[00:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:37] <bjsnider> udisks --ata-smart-refresh /dev/sdx
[00:37] <bjsnider> for sata
[00:38] <bjsnider> that's what palimpsest uses, and really that's all you need
[00:38] <BUGabundo> didn't know that
[00:40] <bjsnider> that means you can remove smartmontools and its dependencies
[00:41] <BUGabundo> meh
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I like them
[00:41] <BUGabundo> used to use them
[00:41] <BUGabundo> will eventually stop
[00:41] <BUGabundo> its like aptitude
[00:41] <BUGabundo> its the 1st thing I install
[00:44] <alex_mayorga> what's the widget that tells me if my disk is about to break?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> do we have one ?
[00:50] <bjsnider> there's no "widget", but the palimpsest disk utility handles the task if you launch it
[00:50] <bjsnider> it's actually called palimpsest, so if you search for that in unity or gnome-shell it will find it
[00:51] <bjsnider> but smart data is not totally accurate, and the disk might be ready to fail even if the smart data says it's healthy
[01:05] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: thanks
[01:05] <CarlFK> something pops up a dialog every so often "your disk is about to break "
[01:08] <BUGabundo> I hope not
[01:08] <BUGabundo> I disabled that two cycles ago
[01:08] <BUGabundo> it was madness
[02:19] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:55] <billybigrigger> hey all
[02:56] <billybigrigger> i just did a fresh install of 11.04 the other day, and i got the Addition Drivers dialog, and thought maybe oneiric that maybe we could start including driver versions for drivers, ie the ati/nvidia/broadcom drivers...
[02:57] <billybigrigger> it would just be nice for a new user to see what driver they're getting, and maybe a bit more info on the driver aswell
[02:57] <billybigrigger> is this being considered/implemented already?
[03:04] <IdleOne> 'apt-cache policy nvidia-*' will tell you the version of your nvidia driver or you can check via Software Center or Synaptic
[03:05] <IdleOne> apt-cache policy nvidia* | grep Installed
[03:09] <billybigrigger> IdleOne, i know this
[03:10] <billybigrigger> haha im not new
[03:10] <billybigrigger> i'm just saying doing a fresh install opened my eyes to the fact that maybe new users want to know more of what they're installing
[03:10] <IdleOne> ok, well "regular" users can use one of the package managers to see what they have installed and what version
[03:11] <billybigrigger> not if your using additional drivers
[03:11] <billybigrigger> ie restricted drivers
[03:11] <IdleOne> it is a scientific fact that a more verbose installer is scary!
[03:11] <IdleOne> I made that up ^
[03:12] <billybigrigger> the restricted drivers dialog is the first step to installing any closed-source video driver...
[03:12] <IdleOne> yeah
[03:12] <billybigrigger> there is no previous driver to find a version from...nor is there a version viewable anywhere
[03:12] <billybigrigger> that's scary
[03:12] <IdleOne> there has to be some sort of video driver
[03:13] <IdleOne> isn't it vesa?
[03:13] <billybigrigger> yeah xorg-server-video-ati
[03:13] <billybigrigger> im talking the restricted drivers dialog that wants you to install propriatery ati driver
[03:13] <charlie-tca> most " normal " users don' t really care what any version of anything is. They just want the computer to work.
[03:13] <billybigrigger> there's no version or "More Info" tab anywhere, it sucks
[03:14] <IdleOne> there is a version and info available...in the package managers
[03:14] <IdleOne> maybe a more info tab would be good.
[03:14] <IdleOne> I suppose. get working on it :)
[03:14] <billybigrigger> im not a dev
[03:15] <IdleOne> neither am I. brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <billybigrigger> how about the progress bar when extracting an archive in nautilus
[03:17] <billybigrigger> it goes from 0 - %50 on the bar, and sits there until the archive is extracted, then jumps to %100 when it's all done
[03:17] <billybigrigger> it's been like that since i hoary...no plans to fix this either? an actual "working" progress bar would be nice
[03:18] <billybigrigger> IdleOne, any opinions on this? :P
[03:18] <billybigrigger> hehe jk man
[03:18] <IdleOne> haha I never really paid attention to that
[03:21] <billybigrigger> its been broken for years
[03:22] <IdleOne> usually I hit install and switch window
[03:22] <IdleOne> I don't look at the progress. report a bug perhaps, not sure what package you would report against
[03:33] <billybigrigger> file roller i assume
[03:33] <billybigrigger> it happens when your extracting a .rar volume
[05:02] <ircrob> pulseaudio should not depend on consolekit
[05:03] <ircrob> use dbus if needed
[18:40] <BluesKaj> does the new 3.0-1 kernel fix the graphics screwups that came with 3.0-0 ?
[18:45] <yofel> not sure, I've nvidia running with 275 and 3.0-0, haven't rebooted with 3.0-1 yet
[18:48] <BluesKaj> yofel, I have nvidia 8400gs and 3.0-0 totally screwed my setup... had to revert to 11.04 , that new nvidia current driver wasn't working for my card
[18:49] <yofel> :/
[18:49] <BluesKaj> yeah the 275
[18:51] <BluesKaj> no harm done tho , I didn't lose any data ...did a nice clean install to /
[19:24] <Ian_Corne> nvidia "works" on 3.0.1-pae now
[19:27] <BluesKaj> which nvidia, Ian_Corne ?
[19:27] <Ian_Corne> 275
[19:27] <BluesKaj> which card ?
[19:28] <Ian_Corne> but i'm saying "works"
[19:28] <Ian_Corne> because glxinfo errors
[19:28] <Ian_Corne> and I'm being thrown back to unity2D
[19:28] <Ian_Corne> 425M
[19:30]  * BluesKaj decides to stick with what I have til at least beta ..my other box has "O" working ok with 7600gt card, but the 8400gs here is iffy
[19:46] <Ian_Corne> When trying to update atm: i get that mesa wants to uninstall the nvidia driver and gnome-panel wants to unistall gnome-panel
[19:53] <BluesKaj> yup Ian_Corne , that happened to me yesterday
[19:53] <trism> Ian_Corne: mesa breaks on nvidia-current for now until lp 798049 is fixed
[19:59] <BluesKaj> still looks messy to me
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, in my case mesa wanted to remove most of the kde apps
[20:04] <zniavre> mesa does not want legacy 173.14.xx nvidia driver too
[20:05]  * BluesKaj doesn't regret reverting to 11.04
[20:05] <zniavre> :o)
[21:52] <afv> hi, is anybody having problems in empathy (opening a chat window)?.. the chat window just "hangs" and empathy-chat process has 100% cpu usage
[21:52] <afv> since 3 or 4 days ago
[21:53] <afv> already deleted the config folders from my home, purged/reinstalled the packages..
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> yes afv
[22:00] <afv> ah, as i didn't see any post about this on the forums.. is the cause known? any workaround?
[22:06] <Ampelbein> afv: see bug 798377
[22:07] <Ampelbein> (no workaround though)
[22:08] <CarlFK>  natty loaded snd-hda-intel - todays oneiric 3.0-1 does not, so no sound.  should I bug this on lp?
[22:08] <afv> Ampelbein, thanks!