| * pleia2 waves | 01:00 | |
| * greg-g waves! | 01:00 | |
| maco | #startmeeting | 01:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is maco. | 01:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 01:00 |
| maco | ello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for 16 June 2011. he wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas | 01:01 |
| maco | nerf. that'd be "Hello" | 01:01 |
| maco | We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. | 01:01 |
| maco | The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO). | 01:01 |
| maco | Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions. | 01:01 |
| maco | During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote. | 01:01 |
| maco | When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!) | 01:01 |
| maco | Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant... | 01:01 |
| greg-g | Matthew, are you here today? | 01:02 |
| maco | his nick doesn't appear to be joined | 01:02 |
| greg-g | nope | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | I'll send him an email and remove him from the list | 01:02 |
| greg-g | iamfuzz/Brian? | 01:02 |
| dindatx | Has Matthew really been signed up since February? | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | dindatx: yeah | 01:03 |
| greg-g | tenach / Thomas? | 01:03 |
| maco | ChrisGagnon looks like the only nick that's actually here | 01:03 |
| greg-g | yep. | 01:03 |
| ChrisGagnon | :) | 01:03 |
| greg-g | ChrisGagnon: you ready? | 01:03 |
| maco | well this'll be quick | 01:03 |
| maco | ChrisGagnon: please introduce yourself | 01:03 |
| maco | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisGagnon | 01:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisGagnon | 01:03 |
| ChrisGagnon | I am ready. | 01:04 |
| maco | [topic] Chris's application | 01:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Chris's application | 01:04 |
| pleia2 | ChrisGagnon: please go ahead and introduce yourself :) | 01:05 |
| greg-g | ChrisGagnon: if you could introduce yourself, that'd be great | 01:05 |
| greg-g | :) | 01:06 |
| ChrisGagnon | Hi I work for canonical in the OEM service department | 01:06 |
| ChrisGagnon | I have been using ubuntu since Feisty fawn | 01:06 |
| ChrisGagnon | hmm I don't know what you want to know about me | 01:07 |
| greg-g | ChrisGagnon: what kind of involvement do you have with the Ubuntu Community, generally? | 01:07 |
| dindatx | and why are you applying for membership? | 01:07 |
| ChrisGagnon | I answer questions when in IRC when I see them in #kubuntu and #ubuntu | 01:08 |
| ChrisGagnon | I also promote Ubuntu at my local LUG | 01:08 |
| greg-g | oh good, what is the LUG's name? | 01:09 |
| nhandler | ChrisGagnon: Are you involved with a LoCo? | 01:09 |
| dindatx | nice - which LUG? is there a Loco team near you? | 01:09 |
| ChrisGagnon | GNHLUG | 01:09 |
| ChrisGagnon | I would start at LoCo, but Maddog attends the local LUG groups and I don't feel like a loco could compete. | 01:10 |
| maco | yikes, looks like NH LoCo is deaded | 01:10 |
| greg-g | ahh :) | 01:10 |
| Pendulum | most of the NE LoCos are pretty dead | 01:10 |
| maco | last post a year ago from a guy i *know* doesn't even live in NH | 01:10 |
| maco | (by which i mean, he was my neighbor when i lived 2 miles south of here :P) | 01:11 |
| Pendulum | MA is the only one with any sort of activity and it's so low it lost 'approved' status last cycle | 01:11 |
| Pendulum | maybe 2 cycles ago | 01:11 |
| pleia2 | ChrisGagnon: have you done presentations or events at the LUG? | 01:11 |
| ChrisGagnon | No. I plan on doing a presentation on an automation robot I am building, when it's finished. | 01:12 |
| greg-g | interesting | 01:13 |
| nhandler | ChrisGagnon: I see you are a member of the kubuntu bug team, have you done any triage work there? | 01:13 |
| maco | and in the same vein: i was surprised to see your wiki page say you're a QA Canonifolk who uses Kubuntu when ive never seen you talk in #kubuntu-devel ... are we doing that great a job?! | 01:14 |
| ChrisGagnon | I've looked at a couple of bugs there | 01:14 |
| ChrisGagnon | I work in QA, on hardware enablement most of my work is covered by NDAs | 01:15 |
| ChrisGagnon | because I work on hardware before it's released to the public | 01:15 |
| greg-g | very interesting | 01:15 |
| dindatx | ChrisGagnon: why are you applying for membership now? | 01:16 |
| ChrisGagnon | Because I want to become more involved in the community. | 01:17 |
| ChrisGagnon | I figured that becoming a member would be a good start. | 01:17 |
| dindatx | ChrisGagnon: we'd like that too! but. . . | 01:17 |
| dindatx | ChrisGagnon: generally membership is gained after a record of community involvement | 01:18 |
| greg-g | ChrisGagnon: have you thought about giving an Ubuntu related preso at the LUG? Things like that look good for membership | 01:19 |
| dindatx | ChrisGagnon: what sort of involvement are you planning in the next few months? | 01:20 |
| ChrisGagnon | I plan on giving an Ubuntu related talk on my automation robot next month... | 01:21 |
| ChrisGagnon | I plan on giving an Ubuntu related talk on my automation robot next month... | 01:21 |
| ChrisGagnon | lag sorry | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | oh nice, you're doing it with ubuntu (that was unclear) | 01:22 |
| ChrisGagnon | That's been taking up most of my free time, I'd also like to blog about it on the planet ubuntu feed | 01:22 |
| ChrisGagnon | I'd also like to blog about my hardware enablement work when that work is no longer covered under NDA | 01:23 |
| greg-g | that'd be great | 01:23 |
| nhandler | ChrisGagnon: If you are trying to get the word out, you can always send a link to ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com . It might end up in an issue of UWN | 01:23 |
| ChrisGagnon | After the hardware has been release and can be purchased preloaded with Ubuntu | 01:23 |
| maco | ChrisGagnon: We'd like to see more involvement on the community side of things before you make another application, but please do make one! | 01:24 |
| ChrisGagnon | nhandler: I'll send things thanks | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | yeah, build up a solid base of community work, and the blog posts about hardware stuff would be great and come apply again, right now I don't really see enough work to +1 for membership yet | 01:26 |
| ChrisGagnon | ok | 01:26 |
| greg-g | but, you're close, and I think your plans for what you want to do are perfect for that | 01:26 |
| Pendulum | ChrisGagnon: also, I don't know how far you are from Boston, but that's where the MA LoCo events usually happen | 01:27 |
| Pendulum | (and they take all-comers) | 01:27 |
| ChrisGagnon | I live too far from boston to make it to their meetings. | 01:28 |
| maco | by the way, what you said about the LoCo v. LUG thing: is the LUG just presentations? | 01:28 |
| ChrisGagnon | maco: it's drinking beer and then presentations :) | 01:29 |
| maco | I don't think most LoCos function in a "let's have someone do a presentation each month" way like most LUGs do | 01:29 |
| maco | so there may actually be room for a LoCo to hit the streets | 01:29 |
| maco | my LoCo has a table at a folk festival each year, and Vancouver's has a table at a farmers' market | 01:29 |
| maco | instead of preaching to the choir, they go out and try to spread the word about this "linux for human beings" to the rest of the human beings | 01:30 |
| ChrisGagnon | I did pass out ubuntu CDs in hungary's first beer fest at the end of UDS-O :) | 01:31 |
| maco | Well, if you get the organizing bug, think of a LoCo being like a street team for a band :) | 01:32 |
| greg-g | awesome | 01:32 |
| dindatx | ChrisGagnon: just remember to document everything in your wiki and you'll have no problems next time | 01:32 |
| maco | Hmm, looks like the others haven't shown up, so I guess that's it | 01:32 |
| maco | #endmeeting | 01:32 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:32. | 01:32 |
| ChrisGagnon | dindatx: sounds good | 01:32 |
| dindatx | thanks everyone! | 01:32 |
| pleia2 | thanks everyone | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | hmm. anybody actually pinged tenach? | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | oh. | 01:33 |
| maco | doh | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | iamfuzz: you're late! | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | ;) | 01:33 |
| iamfuzz | cyphermox, sorry, got hung up in personal life | 01:33 |
| maco | is there a #restartmeeting command? | 01:33 |
| iamfuzz | strange hour this is at! | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | all good :) | 01:34 |
| * iamfuzz apologizes profusely | 01:34 | |
| greg-g | hmmm | 01:34 |
| iamfuzz | if you guys wanna wait till the next one that's fine | 01:34 |
| maco | or maybe #unendmeeting? :P | 01:34 |
| maco | do we still have quorum? | 01:34 |
| greg-g | lets see if we still have.. yeah, quorum | 01:34 |
| maco | pleia2, dindatx, Pendulum: still here? | 01:35 |
| * dindatx waves | 01:35 | |
| iamfuzz | what's quorum | 01:35 |
| maco | iamfuzz: enough people to vote | 01:35 |
| Pendulum | i'm here | 01:35 |
| iamfuzz | maco, no I meant he number for this grp | 01:35 |
| iamfuzz | the* | 01:35 |
| maco | oh heh sorry | 01:35 |
| iamfuzz | ;-) | 01:35 |
| greg-g | iamfuzz: are you MOTU already? | 01:36 |
| iamfuzz | greg-g, nope, i got rejected for "lack of involvement in the breadth of the community" | 01:36 |
| iamfuzz | hence trying to be more involved with the breadth of the community :-) | 01:36 |
| greg-g | ahhh, gotcha | 01:36 |
| greg-g | iamfuzz: rock, we like that! :) | 01:36 |
| iamfuzz | so wanted to be an ubuntu member, shoulda done it 2 years ago | 01:36 |
| iamfuzz | wanna start a blog mainly, and join the bug control team | 01:37 |
| iamfuzz | often need to edit partner bugs and can't | 01:37 |
| maco | mmk | 01:37 |
| maco | #startmeeting | 01:37 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 19:37. The chair is maco. | 01:37 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 01:37 |
| maco | [topic] Application of Brian Thomason | 01:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Application of Brian Thomason | 01:37 |
| dindatx | iamfuzz: interesting that they'd give you the feedback | 01:37 |
| greg-g | so, iamfuzz what have you done since the MOTU application? | 01:38 |
| greg-g | :) | 01:38 |
| iamfuzz | greg-g, quite a bit | 01:38 |
| dindatx | iamfuzz: I've seen your name and work around for awhile | 01:38 |
| iamfuzz | for MOTU I mainly did security fixes and some merges and SRUs | 01:38 |
| * greg-g nods | 01:38 | |
| iamfuzz | dindatx, indeed, they make it a little harder on us Canonical folk as they don't want it to lok like they rubber stamp us, which is a good thing IMHO | 01:38 |
| maco | when was that, BTW? | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | I tried to dabble in a bit of everything, joined a LoCo, threw a release part for Natty for the guys there, got a few packages in universe | 01:39 |
| maco | (i dont remember your MOTU application, so i assume "before my time") | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | maco, wanna say almost a year ago now | 01:39 |
| maco | ah ok | 01:39 |
| cyphermox | oh | 01:39 |
| greg-g | how was the release party? | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | I also do a (mostly) weekly post on OMG about cool new apps in software center | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | greg-g, small but fun | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | bout a dozen linux geeks from Ga Tech here | 01:39 |
| iamfuzz | we went and had some pizza and I handed out CDs and schwag | 01:40 |
| greg-g | aweosme, not a bad turn out really | 01:40 |
| iamfuzz | eh, I like big ;-) Was shooting for 30-35 | 01:40 |
| maco | takes repeat attempts and knowing the address for all the local tech mailing lists to get that ;) | 01:41 |
| greg-g | yeah, we usually get around 25ish for the Michigan LoCo release parties. Though, we do have two of them, on both sides of the state, one gets 25ish, the other 15-25 | 01:41 |
| iamfuzz | thats a good turnout | 01:41 |
| iamfuzz | even the "official" montreal one only drew 25 | 01:41 |
| iamfuzz | geeks don't always get out ;-) | 01:41 |
| greg-g | ;) | 01:42 |
| dindatx | pleia2: how many did we have at the CA one? | 01:42 |
| maco | for DC's we get about 30-ish people, but that includes me emailing all 3 LUGs in the area | 01:42 |
| dindatx | lots of surprise guests showed up :) | 01:42 |
| greg-g | not sure if pleia2 is still here, actually, she may have ran after the first half of the meeting ended :) | 01:42 |
| maco | it's alright, Pendulum's here | 01:42 |
| iamfuzz | fair enough, i was extraordinarily late | 01:42 |
| maco | she's just stealthy | 01:42 |
| iamfuzz | after 7:30 my brain takes a cooldown period | 01:43 |
| iamfuzz | my wife said "didn't you have an Ubuntu meeting" | 01:43 |
| dindatx | iamfuzz: okay, so sounds like you've become more publically active since last year, that's good | 01:43 |
| iamfuzz | tried to, and tried not to do it for the sake of doing it; searched for things I was actually interested in | 01:44 |
| greg-g | yeah, looks like your bug list is pretty varied, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~brian-thomason | 01:44 |
| dindatx | iamfuzz: are you going back for MOTU approval soon? | 01:44 |
| iamfuzz | I'm also now working with nigelb on packaging training starting next week. We just went through the 500+ FTBFS in Oneiric Universe and will be doing a packaging training/bug squashing session with those | 01:44 |
| * maco winces | 01:44 | |
| iamfuzz | dindatx, yes, probably in 1-2 months | 01:44 |
| maco | 500? | 01:45 |
| iamfuzz | maco, I scripted it ;-) | 01:45 |
| maco | ah | 01:45 |
| iamfuzz | he wanted to do it manually as he must enjoy the pain | 01:45 |
| maco | are those the ones that are ending up on LP? | 01:45 |
| maco | there were 160-ish targetted at alpha 2 last i looked | 01:45 |
| iamfuzz | dindatx, I want some of my cloud foundry packages to get into oneiric before I apply again, which should be in ~1 month | 01:45 |
| micahg | I think the universe ones were pushed back to alpha3 | 01:46 |
| maco | ahh | 01:46 |
| iamfuzz | maco, not sure, he's targetting these specifically due to a linker issue that raised its ugly head in Oneiric | 01:46 |
| maco | micahg: wait so theres 160 ftbfs in *main* then? O_O | 01:46 |
| iamfuzz | maco, indeed | 01:46 |
| iamfuzz | or at least there were | 01:46 |
| maco | criminey | 01:46 |
| iamfuzz | 509 last count in Uni | 01:46 |
| micahg | 38 packages in main currently on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/oneiric.html | 01:47 |
| maco | i knew we were understaffed but sheesh | 01:47 |
| iamfuzz | micahg, theyre knocking them down then | 01:47 |
| iamfuzz | 89 last I looked a few days ago | 01:47 |
| maco | [vote] Brian Thomason for membership | 01:47 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Brian Thomason for membership. | 01:47 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 01:47 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 01:47 |
| greg-g | +1 | 01:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from greg-g. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 01:47 |
| Pendulum | +1 | 01:47 |
| dindatx | +1 | 01:47 |
| maco | +1 | 01:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Pendulum. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 01:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from dindatx. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 01:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from maco. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 01:47 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 01:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cyphermox. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 01:48 |
| maco | that's everyone? | 01:48 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 01:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pleia2. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 01:48 |
| greg-g | yep | 01:48 |
| iamfuzz | \o/ | 01:48 |
| maco | [endvote] | 01:48 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 | 01:48 |
| greg-g | congrats and welcome, iamfuzz ! | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | congrats iamfuzz | 01:48 |
| maco | congrats on membership! | 01:48 |
| dindatx | iamfuzz: congratulations! | 01:48 |
| iamfuzz | thanks guys, good to finally be officially ubuntu rather than just canonical | 01:48 |
| Pendulum | iamfuzz: congrats! | 01:48 |
| iamfuzz | it gets lonely in commercial software land | 01:48 |
| maco | #endmeeting | 01:49 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:49. | 01:49 |
| greg-g | I bet! | 01:49 |
| cyphermox | please don't hesitate to add your blog to planet and let everyone know the cool stuff you add to softwarecenter and all ;) | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | dindatx: probably at least 35, lucid had over 60! | 01:49 |
| iamfuzz | cyphermox, exactly what I had in mind! | 01:49 |
| iamfuzz | cyphermox, OMG gets tired of me whoring the commercial stuff and I don't blamem | 01:49 |
| micahg | maco: a lot of the main ones remaining could be from the rebuild test and the packages haven't seen new versions yet in oneiric | 01:49 |
| iamfuzz | a blog seems the more sensible route | 01:49 |
| cyphermox | iamfuzz: but OMG is still a nice place too | 01:49 |
| iamfuzz | cyphermox, I love those guys, especially ben | 01:50 |
| iamfuzz | I meant their userbase, Ben couldn't care less | 01:50 |
| cyphermox | heh. | 01:50 |
| iamfuzz | we've just had such an influx lately and noone buying! | 01:50 |
| cyphermox | blogging about MOTU or pre-motu stuff is good too :) | 01:50 |
| iamfuzz | of course, Cloud Foundry | 01:51 |
| iamfuzz | If I can ever wrestle it into submission | 01:51 |
| iamfuzz | got the client packaged but the server is a beast | 01:51 |
| iamfuzz | and waiting on chrisccoulson to fix a bug in mongodb for me :-) | 01:51 |
| iamfuzz | maco, anything I need to do on my end, or will you guys do all the LP/blog magic on yours? | 01:53 |
| maco | iamfuzz: you get to do that "add yourself to planet" thing...after we do the rest | 01:54 |
| iamfuzz | cool | 01:54 |
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| greg-g | iamfuzz: you are now in the LP ~ubuntumembers team, so you can do the planet ading part now | 02:29 |
| iamfuzz | :-) | 02:29 |
| * greg-g waves and leaves -meeting | 02:35 | |
| MooDoo | hello all | 09:00 |
| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| === Ursula is now known as Ursinha | ||
| * pitti waves | 15:58 | |
| * skaet waves back at pitti | 15:58 | |
| * NCommander waves | 15:59 | |
| * ogra_ strands | 15:59 | |
| skaet | ogra_, strands?? | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | well, you wave i strand :) | 16:00 |
| skaet | :) | 16:01 |
| skaet | ok, time to start - welcome all | 16:01 |
| skaet | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| skaet | [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_ | 16:01 |
| skaet | . | 16:01 |
| skaet | Agenda is at: | 16:01 |
| skaet | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-06-17 | 16:01 |
| skaet | Here is the new proposed regular agenda order. | 16:01 |
| skaet | - QA team update - pgraner or jibel | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_ | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Hardware Certification team update - ara or brendand | 16:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-06-17 | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Security team update - jdstrand | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Kernel team update - ogasawara | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Foundations team update - cjwatson | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Server team update - Daviey | 16:02 |
| skaet | - ARM team update - ogra | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Linaro update - fabo | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Ubuntu One Team - Chickapa | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Desktop Team update - pitti | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Kubuntu Team update - ScottK | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Edubuntu Team update - | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Any other teams? | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Toolchain update - slangasek | 16:02 |
| skaet | - MOTU team update - tumbleweed | 16:02 |
| skaet | It is in the team agenda. There's been one special request to shift around for today only from Server team. ;) | 16:02 |
| skaet | If there's no further feedback, I'll update the calendar invite with the above order. | 16:02 |
| skaet | . | 16:02 |
| skaet | Events Approaching: | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Debian Import Freeze: June 30, 2011 | 16:02 |
| skaet | - 10.04.3 Freeze: June 30, 2011 | 16:02 |
| skaet | - Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7, 2011 | 16:02 |
| skaet | . | 16:02 |
| skaet | Bugs targetted for this release can be found: | 16:02 |
| skaet | [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs | 16:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs | 16:02 |
| skaet | Bugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 2 are at: | 16:02 |
| skaet | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-2 | 16:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-2 | 16:03 |
| skaet | . | 16:03 |
| skaet | New status site is now up, and final tweaking of the configs is in progress. | 16:03 |
| skaet | [LINK]http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ | 16:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ | 16:03 |
| skaet | Documentation on how to set up a "topic-" page is available at: | 16:03 |
| skaet | [LINK]http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicHowTo/ | 16:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicHowTo/ | 16:03 |
| skaet | . | 16:03 |
| skaet | Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. | 16:03 |
| skaet | questions? | 16:03 |
| skaet | .. | 16:03 |
| skaet | ok, lets move into round table then.... | 16:04 |
| skaet | [Topic] QA team update - pgraner | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA team update - pgraner | 16:04 |
| * skaet looks around for pgraner or jibel... hmm? | 16:05 | |
| skaet | [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - brendand | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Hardware Certification team update - brendand | 16:05 |
| brendand | All I can report is that we've started testing the proposed Maverick kernel | 16:06 |
| brendand | ... | 16:06 |
| skaet | thanks brendand. Which oneiric daily do you intend to start testing next week? | 16:07 |
| brendand | tbh, i don't know | 16:07 |
| brendand | i believe we always use current | 16:08 |
| brendand | so it will depend on which day we start | 16:08 |
| skaet | do you know which day is likely? | 16:08 |
| brendand | i don't | 16:10 |
| skaet | brendand, no worries, I'll follow up with you and ara then offline, and we'll move on for now. | 16:10 |
| skaet | [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security team update - jdstrand | 16:10 |
| jdstrand | hi | 16:11 |
| skaet | hi :) | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html | 16:12 |
| jdstrand | We are currently under the trend line for our blueprints. We've had a skeleton crew this week, and our team is mostly concentrating on updates atm, and getting to work items as we can fit them in. I fixed a milestoned libvirt regression (bug #795800) and my patch was accepted upstream. Looking at the (rather long) list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting. | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 795800 in libvirt (Ubuntu Oneiric) "virsh save fails on oneiric when the apparmor security driver is enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795800 | 16:12 |
| jdstrand | .. | 16:12 |
| skaet | thanks jdstrand | 16:12 |
| skaet | we're talking about getting the list cleaned up a bit off line. | 16:12 |
| jdstrand | cool | 16:13 |
| skaet | any questions for jdstrand | 16:13 |
| skaet | ? | 16:13 |
| skaet | [Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara | 16:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel team update - ogasawara | 16:13 |
| * skaet looks around for ogasawara or apw? | 16:14 | |
| * apw is here | 16:14 | |
| skaet | apw, any update from kernel team prep'd? | 16:15 |
| apw | Overall status is reported at the first link below. Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below. Burndown for the cycle is at the third link: | 16:15 |
| apw | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 16:15 |
| apw | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-2.html | 16:15 |
| apw | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg | 16:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 16:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-2.html | 16:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg | 16:15 |
| apw | We are making solid if slow progress on our Alpha-2 work items. Those items which are slipping are non-release critical related to upstreaming older patches. The oneiric kernel is now at v3.0-1.2 which is based on the v3.0-rc3 upstream snapshot. We continue to track a small number of version number related issues, the latest in nfs-utils. | 16:15 |
| apw | Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below: | 16:15 |
| apw | #754711 investigation continues, upstream not currently responding, | 16:15 |
| apw | #542660 seems that the issue is triggered by bugs in the EFI boot some fixes may be in 3.0 needs testing, | 16:15 |
| apw | #760131 local testing looks good with newer 3.0 kernels, some fixes expected via stable for 2.6.38, | 16:15 |
| apw | #791552 appears to be fallout from the switch to newer gcc versions where 'undefined behaviour' has changed, upstream still discussing resolutions, and | 16:15 |
| apw | #796892 likely this is due to an out of date Oneiric ti-omap4 kernel, test kernels being prepared. | 16:15 |
| apw | .. | 16:15 |
| skaet | thanks apw! :) | 16:16 |
| skaet | any questions? | 16:16 |
| skaet | [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson | 16:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Foundations team update - cjwatson | 16:16 |
| * skaet looks around for cjwatson? | 16:18 | |
| tumbleweed | he was around in #ubuntu-motu 5 mins ago | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | sorry, one moment | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | Feature progress this week: | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-dhpython-transitions: We have good wiki documentation on doing conversions now. dh_python2 migration underway and making steady progress (bug 788514, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/dh-python2.html); bug jam planned. | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 788514 in Ubuntu Oneiric "python packages on the CDs not using dh_python2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788514 | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-live-build: Landed. A few regressions, but mostly sorted out now. | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-great-cd-debate: Switched to hybrid CD/USB images. amd64 builds regressed but are fixed now. | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-python-versions: Discussing Python 3 CD size issues. It looks as though removing .pyc files from the livefs will offset the extra size of Python 3, although this will need some care. | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-wubi: Doing design work and planning slideshow changes. Removed Windows entries from the Wubi boot menu (which is already chainloaded from Windows). | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-multiarch-next-steps: Trying to keep up with syncs from Debian as they land multiarch patches. Some GCC fixes. | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | * packageselection-foundations-n-event-based-initramfs: Continuing work on initctl pivot command. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * foundations-o-application-sandboxing: Arkose 1.0 released (http://www.stgraber.org/2011/06/14/app-containing-on-the-modern-linux-desktop/); implemented X, dbus, and pulseaudio sandboxing support. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * upstart: Upstart 1.3 released (Ubuntu merge in progress). Discussion on job aliases and "chkconfig-like" tool. Working on shutdown improvements. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * java: Evaluating JamVM test rebuild failures. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * software-center: Lots of planning with design team. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * apport: Hook for software-center; include /var in disk checks. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | Bugs: | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * bug 597673, bug 644198, bug 791883: We'll look at these next week (Evan has been at the QA sprint all week so the installer's been a bit short-staffed). | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * bug 774999: Michael is on this as of today. | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 597673 in console-cyrillic (Ubuntu Oneiric) "console-cyrillic changes settings on consoles it doesn't own, causing crashes with plymouth + X" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597673 | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | * bug 797555: Not actually ours to fix, just requested by us. Incidentally, I'm told that Canonical folks would be better off requesting manual bootstrap builds like this through RT rather than Launchpad. | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 644198 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Ubuntu LIve Cd does not enable bluetooth before choice menu in live-cd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644198 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791883 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubi-console-setup.py:set_keyboard() gets error 141 (crashes) in Kubuntu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791883 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 774999 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[i865G] Upgrade should warn user about lack of support for old 8xx intel hardware" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774999 | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | .. | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 797555 in libjboss-buildmagic-java (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libjboss-buildmagic-java needs a manual build using the unstable binaries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797555 | 16:20 |
| skaet | Thanks cjwatson! :) | 16:20 |
| mvo | I'm on #774999 | 16:21 |
| skaet | Thanks for the bug updates, looks like we should be good going into the rally then. :) | 16:22 |
| skaet | any questions for cjwatson? | 16:22 |
| skaet | (and thanks mvo, :) ) | 16:23 |
| skaet | ok, skipping server for now, per request, will pick it up at end. | 16:23 |
| skaet | [Topic] ARM team update - ogra_ | 16:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM team update - ogra_ | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | oh, thats me :) | 16:23 |
| skaet | :) | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | Detatiled Status is at: | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | -- | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | Summary: | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * QA from Ubuntu ARM attended the QA sprint in London last week. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Additionally to the normal netinstall images, work on mini isos for netinstall has happened, also omap4 support was merged into debian-installer now | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Further netboot work is waiting for some linaro u-boot ode to land in the archive. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Work on adding the ship seed (preinstall pool) to preinstalled images has been started | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * SD speed optimizations are being merged right now. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * A lot research of the broken USB support with gcc 4.6 has been done by ppisati but is still unfruitful yet. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Work on fixing the kernel/bootloader postinst handling has started. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | -- | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | Image Status | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Desktop images are currently at 1G which is slightly to big and being investigated | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Headless/serial images build fine. | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | -- | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | Specs | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * A2 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | -- | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | Bugs: | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | * bug 791552 is slowly getting critical | 16:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791552 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552 | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | -- | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | for the question about armhf from last week i just talked to the guys in #linaro-armhf ... | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | seems the hope is to have a minimal armhf image for oneiric if time permits ... but at least to try to get something bootstrappable ready | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | .. | 16:26 |
| skaet | Thanks ogra_ ! :) | 16:26 |
| skaet | I'll mark that action item done then. And not look at modifying the image testing list for this release. | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i dont think we will se anything that we can call official | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | but something for the curious to test :) | 16:27 |
| * skaet nods | 16:27 | |
| skaet | something for the curious is always good though :) | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:28 |
| skaet | any questions for ogra_ ? | 16:28 |
| skaet | [Topic] Linaro update - fabo | 16:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Linaro update - fabo | 16:28 |
| fabo | Linaro GCC 4.6 and 4.5 2011.06 released. | 16:29 |
| fabo | [LINK] http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.5/4.5-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.5-2011.06-0.tar.bz2 | 16:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.5/4.5-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.5-2011.06-0.tar.bz2 | 16:30 |
| fabo | [LINK] http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2011.06-0.tar.bz2 | 16:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2011.06-0.tar.bz2 | 16:30 |
| fabo | Linaro QEMU 2011.06 released. | 16:30 |
| fabo | [LINK] http://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/trunk/2011.06/+download/qemu-linaro-0.14.50-2011.06-0.tar.gz | 16:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/trunk/2011.06/+download/qemu-linaro-0.14.50-2011.06-0.tar.gz | 16:30 |
| fabo | Linaro Kernel is freezed on June 23rd for the 11.06 release. | 16:31 |
| fabo | it's based on 2.6.39 | 16:31 |
| fabo | Linaro 11.06 release is planned on June 30th. | 16:33 |
| fabo | any questions? | 16:33 |
| skaet | Thanks fabo! good data. :) | 16:34 |
| skaet | you answered mine ;) | 16:35 |
| fabo | :) | 16:35 |
| skaet | anyone else? | 16:35 |
| skaet | [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - Chipaca | 16:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu One Team - Chipaca | 16:35 |
| Chipaca | Hi | 16:35 |
| skaet | :) | 16:35 |
| Chipaca | The Ubuntu One installer is currently going through design; engineering work hasn't started yet. Very early days. | 16:36 |
| Chipaca | (it's a 'shim' that'll enable us to do the rapid updates we need, plus some text as to why using u1 is a good idea, etc) | 16:36 |
| pitti | Chipaca: U1 installer> is that for the external PPA? I thought the agreement was to provide updates as SRUs, possibly with bundled libraries and translations? | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | this'll be a step back in how close we've worked (similar to how we worked in 8.04 iirc), while we work out something better in the long term | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | pitti: this is an external ppa. we will be providing updates via SRUs and backports and etc, but none of the solutions gets us all the way | 16:38 |
| Chipaca | so we have to do them all | 16:38 |
| Chipaca | the code itself is not that much, and should be ready in a couple of weeks | 16:39 |
| Chipaca | (but, this is not an estimate) | 16:39 |
| pitti | for the record, I don't approve this with either my desktop TL nor SRU hat on; if we can't provide it with an SRU with bundled libs and translations, we mustn't provide it at all | 16:39 |
| Chipaca | i think that is all | 16:39 |
| wendar | pitti: let's wait and see the full details of their plan | 16:40 |
| skaet | Thanks for the update Chipaca. :) Sounds like there will be more discussion going forward. | 16:41 |
| Chipaca | i can get into some details (not sure if this is the venue), not all of them have been worked out, but it seems pitti's objection is deeper | 16:41 |
| Chipaca | pitti: you want to talk after the meeting? | 16:42 |
| pitti | we can also do that by mail, easier | 16:42 |
| wendar | Chipaca: yes, let's continue discussing in email | 16:42 |
| * skaet nods | 16:42 | |
| Chipaca | ok | 16:42 |
| Chipaca | .. | 16:42 |
| skaet | any other questions for Chipaca? | 16:42 |
| skaet | [Topic] Desktop Team update - pitti | 16:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Desktop Team update - pitti | 16:43 |
| pitti | Landed new X.org versions | 16:43 |
| pitti | Landed the first bits of GNOME 3.1.x, starting with the lower-level libraries (GTK, etc.); we expect to start with, the UI bits in the next two weeks, now that we have a resonably stable GNOME 3.0 in oneiric. | 16:43 |
| pitti | CD space situation: We are 5 (amd64) / 9 (i386 MB oversized again, due to the new Mono transition, new mesa GLES support, and an extra 1 MB due to the new CD format; we expect 4.5 MB growth from new X.org gallium drivers with LLVM, and potential growth of ~ 6 to 10 MB for thunderbird (not firmly decided yet). We already implemented many of the biggest space savings (removing icons, removing less | 16:43 |
| pitti | important software), though. Completing the Mono transition will give us back some 2 MB, and we just discovered that we can free some 12 MB by dropping *.pyc files from the squashfs and regenerate them at install time. | 16:43 |
| pitti | Slow progress on RC bugs, as we are concentrating on updating the platform and getting work items done in this period, and there are no real showstopper bugs right now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs | 16:43 |
| pitti | The most tricky bugs right now are: | 16:43 |
| pitti | - bug 772873: Not really something new, but seems to have aggravated; we don't have someone who knows enough about compositing and VNC to do much about it, so we can only wait for upstream there. | 16:43 |
| pitti | - bug 787694: This is a prerequisite for a tight integration of the Ubuntu settings panels into the GNOME control center; however, this is still being discussed, it could also be that we drop the control center shell and provide a unity lens for it, in which case this wouldn't be needed. | 16:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 772873 in vino (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Vino does not work with compositing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772873 | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 787694 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Oneiric) "GNOME 3 System Settings: Allow Python Programs (or general programs) as embedded capplet" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787694 | 16:44 |
| skaet | ..? | 16:45 |
| pitti | .. | 16:46 |
| pitti | sorry | 16:46 |
| * pitti should add that to his c&p report | 16:46 | |
| skaet | pitti, does it make sense to leave 772873 milestoned at A2, since we're waiting on upstream. | 16:46 |
| skaet | :) | 16:46 |
| pitti | it's not | 16:46 |
| pitti | it doesn't make sense, no; it's by far not a milestone blocker | 16:47 |
| pitti | we do have one milestone blocker which causes empathy and deja-dup to get unusably slow, but it's not reported as a bug yet (fix is being worked on upstream) | 16:47 |
| skaet | thanks for the heads up. | 16:48 |
| pitti | we had several bugs which are true milestone blockers, but we usually get them fixed within days anyway | 16:48 |
| * skaet nods | 16:48 | |
| skaet | any other questions for pitti? | 16:48 |
| skaet | [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth | 16:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth | 16:49 |
| dbarth | hi | 16:49 |
| skaet | hi :) | 16:49 |
| dbarth | report as usual at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus | 16:49 |
| dbarth | in short, we're finally making tarballs and releasing parts into oneiric | 16:49 |
| dbarth | new unity-2d https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/3.8.8 | 16:50 |
| dbarth | new unity-gl | 16:50 |
| dbarth | new overlay scrollbar https://launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/0.2/0.2.1 | 16:50 |
| dbarth | New sound API update, with accompanying sound indicator: https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/fourth/0.7.1 | 16:50 |
| dbarth | also a couple of touch libs updates: utouch-grail 2.0.0 and utouch-geis 2.1.0 to Oneiric | 16:51 |
| dbarth | see the report for further details | 16:51 |
| dbarth | there are a couple FTBS and issues that are being worked on by chase and cjwatson i think | 16:51 |
| dbarth | a few thngs are late however | 16:51 |
| dbarth | libgrip, gtk23shim; we'll do better next week | 16:52 |
| dbarth | also, at last we landed the natty SRUs for unity | 16:52 |
| dbarth | and the cert team has been able to confirm the changes do fix a good part of the garbled screen bug | 16:52 |
| dbarth | the multi-monitor part is still being investigated, but it's at the driver level now, we're almost sure | 16:53 |
| dbarth | .. | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | there was a dpkg bug which broke a load of stuff (much broader than only DX), fixed an hour or so ago | 16:53 |
| dbarth | ok thanks, cnd will retry uploads soon | 16:54 |
| skaet | Thank dbarth. :) any update on the bugs - will the new drops fix some of them? | 16:54 |
| dbarth | the bugs fixed are attached in the release notes of the upload (SRUs) | 16:55 |
| dbarth | and for oneiric, there are also quite a few that are fixed | 16:55 |
| dbarth | in unity-2d i have the link handy | 16:55 |
| dbarth | for unity-gl i'm still waiting for the actual upload to have the full list | 16:55 |
| dbarth | but it will come as a set of milestoned bugs as well | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | i noticed that we default to have composite on in metacity for unity-2d, that breaks a lot of apps that use fake transparency (i.e. gksudo has a black background instead of a transparent one) | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | do you plan to keep that on ? | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | if so, such apps will likely need to be touched | 16:56 |
| dbarth | ogra_: ah ok | 16:57 |
| dbarth | ogra_: hmm | 16:57 |
| dbarth | if there are loads of them, adding unity-2d tasks may be a bit difficult to deal with | 16:57 |
| dbarth | ogra_: can we see the list offline with Kaleo? | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | i dont think there are loads | 16:57 |
| dbarth | to assess whether we can fix the apps, or need to revert to non-composite by default | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | for now i noticed gksu only, but i guess you will see it with other apps that dont use proper compositing | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | xchat might be affected | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | (havent tested that) | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, lets take that offline | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | .. | 16:59 |
| skaet | thanks dbarth, ogra_ :) | 16:59 |
| dbarth | ok | 16:59 |
| skaet | any other questions for dbarth ? | 16:59 |
| skaet | [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK | 16:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK | 16:59 |
| * skaet lookin around, but sees ScottK's marked away | 17:01 | |
| tumbleweed | last I saw, he said he was in an airport, with spotty wifi | 17:01 |
| tumbleweed | presumably gone | 17:01 |
| skaet | thanks tumbleweed, guess we'll move on. | 17:01 |
| skaet | [Topic] Edubuntu Team update | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Edubuntu Team update | 17:02 |
| skaet | [Topic] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca | 17:03 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu goals for Oneiric are defined at | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | This is what we will use instead of blueprints. | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu is trying to cut as many gnome dependencies as we can for Oneiric, since Xfce will stay at GTK2. | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | We don't have any bugs to add at this time, since we haven't any images to determine if bugs are valid. | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 17:04 |
| skaet | Thanks charlie-tca! :) | 17:05 |
| skaet | Any specific blockers on why you don't have images? | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | no, just the change to the builds, I believe. | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | cjwatson has been working on the images. | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | that should have settled by now ... | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | some of the fixes just got finished today | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | you got an i386 image yesterday | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | but yeah, there've been a few problems, I don't have any open ones at the moment | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | It still had the partitioning error. You respun Ubuntu, but not ours | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | The only image today was the 386 alternate | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | true | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | today's was bitten by the dpkg multiarch/triggers failure | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | not actually a cdimage problem as such | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | Then I have no images | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | such is life in a development cycle | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | agreed | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | I am patient. Hopefully, monday will be better | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | you just have to keep squashing build problems with alacrity | 17:09 |
| skaet | thanks charlie-tca, cjwatson - fingers crossed for better images next week. | 17:09 |
| skaet | any other questions for charlie-tca? | 17:10 |
| skaet | [Topic] Toolchain update - slangasek | 17:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Toolchain update - slangasek | 17:10 |
| slangasek | hi there | 17:10 |
| skaet | :) | 17:10 |
| slangasek | the big thing in the pipe right now is that doko is evaluating eglibc 2.14 | 17:11 |
| slangasek | the known breakage this will bring is that rpc support is disabled by default in 2.14, so anything that needs rpc headers would need to start build-depending on libtirpc instead | 17:11 |
| slangasek | otherwise, not much movement this week; I don't have an eta on when we'll be starting full-archive rebuild tests | 17:12 |
| slangasek | .. | 17:13 |
| skaet | Thanks slangasek! :) | 17:13 |
| skaet | appreciate the head's up on eglibc 2.14 breakage. | 17:13 |
| skaet | any questions? | 17:13 |
| skaet | [Topic] MOTU team update - tumbleweed | 17:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: MOTU team update - tumbleweed | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | hi | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | Universe plods along, as ever. | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | Toyed with some approaches to monitor FTBFSs. skaet suggested linking FTBFS bugs to a blueprint for a burndown table, but the LP API doesn't permit that. | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | (And we need some automated cleanup of bugs tagged ftbfs when a build succeeds before that would be accurate) | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | I've started collecting the csv files qa.ubuntuwire spits out, and will do some historical graphing from them. | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | Getting that on ubuntuwire would be nice, anyone know if the source is public? | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | nigelb and iamfuzz have a preliminary list of linker-related issuse suitable for a fixing-jam announc | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | ement. | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | .. | 17:15 |
| skaet | Thanks tumbleweed! :) | 17:15 |
| skaet | Looking forward to seeing what the graphing looks like from the csv files. | 17:15 |
| skaet | any questions for tumbleweed ? | 17:15 |
| tumbleweed | it'll take a few weeks before they are interesting | 17:16 |
| * skaet nods | 17:16 | |
| skaet | am not sure who can help on the ubuntuwire side, but will poke around | 17:16 |
| nigelb | tumbleweed: there's #ubuntuwire for talking to ubuntuwire folks | 17:16 |
| skaet | thanks nigelb :) | 17:17 |
| tumbleweed | nigelb: yeah, and I think /ftbfs/ is james_ws | 17:17 |
| skaet | any other questions? | 17:17 |
| skaet | [Topic] Community input on Q/R dates - wendar | 17:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Community input on Q/R dates - wendar | 17:18 |
| * skaet looks around for wendar? | 17:19 | |
| wendar | Summary: | 17:19 |
| wendar | * Feature Freeze date more relevant than release date for most development, but some upstreams align with our cycle and make bug fix releases after FF. | 17:19 |
| wendar | * End of the month better for likely KDE upstream schedule, for bug fix releases. | 17:19 |
| wendar | * Halloween gets +2 for being home, no votes for being at UDS that week. | 17:19 |
| wendar | Are there other points people would like to add to that list? | 17:20 |
| skaet | ..? | 17:21 |
| wendar | Then I'll hand the input off to our Release Manager for consideration. | 17:22 |
| skaet | Thanks wendar | 17:22 |
| Daviey | ... /me is checking the dates for the next Openstack Design Summit, last UDS caused issues with that. | 17:22 |
| cjwatson | wendar: too close to end of the month for final releases causes high bandwidth costs because the payment stretches across two calendar months, I'm told | 17:23 |
| skaet | will check in with a few of the other stakeholders, and then make some revisions. Appreciate your gathering and summarizing of the input :) | 17:23 |
| cjwatson | so it would be best not right at the end if possible | 17:24 |
| skaet | good point cjwatson. | 17:24 |
| cjwatson | (that's just final release, FF obviously doesn't matter in that way) | 17:24 |
| skaet | anyone else have comments? | 17:24 |
| skaet | [Topic] Server team update - Daviey | 17:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server team update - Daviey | 17:25 |
| Daviey | o/ | 17:25 |
| skaet | :) | 17:25 |
| Daviey | Hello! | 17:25 |
| Daviey | == Feature Work: == * To enable tracking, for the core server deliverables we have added a topic: | 17:25 |
| Daviey | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html | 17:25 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html | 17:25 |
| Daviey | We do need to reset the trend line and this is still WIP to fully give a rounded overview. | 17:25 |
| Daviey | Generally, progress on the feature work has been quite good. It feels it has slowed this week, as we have hit a few walls. However, we are bouncing onwards and upwards. | 17:25 |
| Daviey | * server-o-cobbler-next-steps - Most of the A2 commitments are DONE * server-o-drop-vmbuilder - Blocked on direction * server-o-ensemble - Most of declared commitments are either DONE or well under way INPROGRESS (awaiting zookeeper related work in Debian) * server-o-ubuntu-orchestra-server - largely meta blueprint, but making OK progress. | 17:25 |
| Daviey | * server-o-arm-erver - NCommander is driving this. Not beent able to sync since last meeting. Will follow up on. * server-o-openstack - Heavy burden on MIR's. Oh joy. * server-o-boot-experience - My understanding that this is make slow progress, need evaluate. * server-o-puppet-integration - adam_g spent a while onsite with puppet, and is collecting the achieved work; and hoping to showcase it soon. | 17:25 |
| Daviey | == Bugs: == - Comment: Incoming bug count for Oneirc is low. Natty incoming is higher. :( | 17:25 |
| Daviey | Bug 791454 - Needs to be reproduced.. not yet been looked at. Will be a priority first part of next week. | 17:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791454 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Oneiric Alpha1 Server x86 and x86_64 RAID1 Test Failed: Device need to be readded manually" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791454 | 17:25 |
| Daviey | .. | 17:25 |
| skaet | Thanks Daviey ! :) | 17:26 |
| Daviey | pah, line break fail. | 17:26 |
| skaet | heh, it was readable | 17:26 |
| skaet | which is appreciated | 17:26 |
| skaet | looks pretty good for this point in the cycle. | 17:27 |
| skaet | any questions? | 17:27 |
| Daviey | none from me. | 17:27 |
| Daviey | any to me? :) | 17:27 |
| skaet | :) | 17:27 |
| skaet | any questions for Daviey ? | 17:28 |
| skaet | lol | 17:28 |
| skaet | [TOPIC] any other business? | 17:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: any other business? | 17:28 |
| skaet | I'm going to be on vacation next week. | 17:28 |
| skaet | wendar has kindly agreed to host this meeting. | 17:28 |
| skaet | any agenda changes, etc. please address to her next week. | 17:29 |
| skaet | .. | 17:29 |
| Daviey | skaet: have fun! | 17:29 |
| skaet | Daviey, :) yup will do. | 17:29 |
| skaet | anything else? | 17:29 |
| skaet | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:30. | 17:30 |
| skaet | whewh... snuck it in right under the wire.... | 17:30 |
| skaet | thank you brendand, jdstrand, apw, cjwatson, ogra_, Chipaca, pitti, dbarth, charlie_tca, wendar, tumbleweed, Daviey | 17:30 |
| jdstrand | thanks skaet | 17:30 |
| pitti | thanks everyone! have a nice weekend | 17:31 |
| charlie-tca | now to the weekly Q&A which is accessibility this week | 17:31 |
| apw | skaet, thanks | 17:31 |
| skaet | have fun with that charlie-tca :) | 17:31 |
| charlie-tca | thanks | 17:31 |
| Chipaca | cheers | 17:31 |
| Daviey | o/ | 17:34 |
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